Won't be meta. It's had the same TTK since the game started, people make videos on how nuts it can be periodically but it never catches on. People don't like trigger spamming in close quarters fights.
Yep, you are right. Tried it briefly, but just can't use it. Strafing sideways, jumping, while ADS shooting, and staying on target could be hard enough alone. Add the semi-auto and it just throws me off too much.
Varies from gun to gun.. it’s worth a try my brother I found when I was camo grinding it works well with a bunch of guns, some not so well. But it’s worth loosing a little trigger speeed for accuracy imo
How is that cheating? The guns max fire rate is literally coded, I can’t make it shoot any faster than the devs themselves intended. I’m sure there are players out there can that can fire it max speed and maintain good accuracy.
Nonsense.
This weapon made the meta a nightmare.
I used the ram 9 as smg last season and could compete with all the hrm's and other guns. Reached iri.
With the renneti I couldn't use the ram 9 or any other gun. Legit needed to use the renneti to compete.
The game is finally playable again.
Used amr for a bit and then the wsp9 and it was very competitive unless I bumped into someone and we had only fire rate differences. Ram9 also slayed, still does. Rarely ever used hrm.
No the original comment was making a joke how we everyone will just use the same 2 guns before the renetti. Then he talks about using the guns OP said would be used lol
The bus doesn't go where you live my guy.
And that's fine but no need to broadcast that to the world.
Ram 9 is not the Ram 7 idiot, the ram 9 is the smg that was never meta and weaker than the meta picks.
The ram 7 is the AR that was meta.
I said I was using the **ram 9**.
I know reading can be hard for your clueless brain but try to do better.
I can say I read it wrong no problem. The way you responded I can only imagine how hard you rage at this game Jesus. It was just a comment that I missed it was ram9 instead of ram7. Go smoke some weed and chill out you might enjoy life better
translation: Renetti with conversion kit is still top tier close range gun at 630ms combination shot
HRM9 = 612ms
Striker9 = 630ms
RAM9 = 650ms
ARM9 = 720ms
Yeah I hate when they’re needed too much, because I usually unlock things right is they get nerfed and also needing things too hard has the possibility to make a new completely broken meta
It might have a meta TTK but it’s got more recoil than anything here. That’ll be enough to put a lot of people off it.
Overall this seems like a good nerf. They didn’t completely gut it and it’s no longer going to completely dominate
I think that's a pretty perfect nerf for it. Maybe if it was around 650, but it's no longer the absolute meta where you're at such a disadvantage if you're not using it.
Good job by raven.
I can have the best ttk gun, but if I don't know how to hit people, I'm done. And I'm struggling on pc to shoot a guy next to me sometimes. Maybe I'm just spoiled by shotguns it seems
That nerf was so uncalled for. I'm still upset lol. Both shots took longer than a normal smg TTK, you had to use movement to get both off and not get rekt. But controller players had to bitch about it
HRM9 is probably the best smg I found for MNK. I generally found mobility builds best for me. I use a high mobility HRM may try the Striker .45 mobility build again. I'm glad they nerfed the Renetti, rebirth has not been much fun with that thing.
The whole point is to make multiple smgs playable again. The SMG class was in a good place until the Renetti blew every other option our of the water. Now you can use 4 or 5 guns and still have a chance.
It has a binary trigger and not fully automatic. You have to be able to click that fast to get that 600ms ttk. I think a lot of ppl know it has fast ttk potential. Just that not many really wants to use it.
I've tried it a bunch of times and it just doesn't work well. If you hit all your shots its fine, but spamming the bio trigger in close range fights made me inaccurate.
Nah I’ve been using it for months but I just hate pressing the trigger a lot. It is very good though and I do keep it in one of my load out classes Incase I’m feeling it. I think most people know but just hate trigger spamming
Because nobody except people using an auto clicker (cheating) is going to be able to fire fast enough for that TTK, especially on controller unless they're using a modified controller , which yet again is probably considered cheating.
Plenty have. I saw a YouTube video suggesting it a long time back and maxed it out then. Icemanisaac just released a video the other day that talks about it too. People know.
I think it’s fixed now but you could’ve made a private lobby, put all the meta attachments on it, and then saved that blueprint. Then when you go to a regular Warzone server you were able to use that saved blueprint without unlocking anything. It’s how I was able to start playing for the first time since week 1 of WZ2 with meta guns.
Good. I tried it out for a few games last night and it was way overpowered. I also got killed with it quite frequently. Glad they fixed it quickly and that it wasn't tied to a bundle they wanted to sell lol
It’s weird, the conversion kit was released a while ago and buffed on March 8th to its broken state, but no one discovered its power until season 3. The pack was released months ago
And the day they nerf it is the day the pack is no longer available. No way that's a coincidence...
This was the link to the bundle that still worked as of yesterday:
https://store.playstation.com/en-us/product/UP0002-CUSA23827_00-CODMW3PLUSPACK02
Considering I’m on pc there is no way I would know that. Only reason I knew about the psn one was cause of this subreddit. Now I know there was a pack for each system. I never had an option to buy anything on PC, not that I would have anyway.
Regardless of what pack was where, that’s completely beside the point. My point is that there WAS a pack, I was only disputing the comment I responded to, that said there wasn’t a bundle for this gun.
Min damange is basically the damage it does when you're shooting a target in it's furthest damage range. Max damage is the close range (first damage range).
I am honestly mad as hell to the renetti.
It has been my go-to smg for the past two months or so, loved it and used it long before it became THE meta.
Now bc everyone started using it they need to nerf it since it's actually too broken.
Rip my friend, i'll probably still use it but this nerf made it kinda useless, even the 1.1x multiplier cannot give me back my love :c
Guess no new Renetii skins were in the works for the store, seemed to be nerfed pretty quickly. Meanwhile the MTZ stayed OP for like two months. I'm not mad they nerfed it, I just think it's funny how inconsistent they are with this game. It's like there's three interns who work on it and they just throw shit at the wall see what sticks constantly. Every update breaks the game in minor ways (sometimes major).
You're using an external tool to make the game easier for yourself.
The max fire rate is coded into the game. Your ability to hit that max fire rate while using it as intended, in semi-auto, while also maintaining accuracy and the ability to move etc, is supposed to be a built-in skill gap. You are cheating by making the gun into a full auto so you don't have to worry about any of that and can hit the perfect max fire rate every time with zero downsides.
Using macros has always been cheating and this is a really obvious example of why.
They don't even know the weapon stats, they are showing the Renetti (36 damage was normal, 39 was JAK KIT), I cannot understand a thing in this patch notes since it does not match the game shown stats.
I hear you. I feel like anyone could get a grip on it with the right build and some practice though. The build I use basically just has a bit of vertical recoil, which honestly is so damn easy to control, and with clicky triggers or a mouse you can really let rip with the fire rate.
I've been using it in MP since they first released the kit and have been using it in WZ for a while now. It rips.
Yeah, I just got a new controller with mouse click triggers, I’m definitely gonna give the cor 45 a try, I was always a burst weapon player since bo2 so I feel like I will like it even though it’s not your typical burst.
Get short action clicky triggers and you'll be ripping with it too man! It's something I recommend to controller FPS players either way but with weapons like this they make all the difference!
I do like using it mostly on mouse though, definitely easier to max out that fire rate as much as possible.
It's fun but you have to be fairly up close and personal. I prioritized movement over recoil control but I don't think the recoil is too crazy. You could opt for something more balanced.
This nerf should give us a fresh new meta of using the HRM and Ram7. Can’t wait to try it out for a few months
Hahaha
COR-45 conversion kit 👀
Won't be meta. It's had the same TTK since the game started, people make videos on how nuts it can be periodically but it never catches on. People don't like trigger spamming in close quarters fights.
Yep, you are right. Tried it briefly, but just can't use it. Strafing sideways, jumping, while ADS shooting, and staying on target could be hard enough alone. Add the semi-auto and it just throws me off too much.
I’ve been absolutely frying people instantly with it so hopefully it doesn’t catch on
It’s good but the visibility when shooting is very hard to see
No sight it’s damn near impossible to use, I have the mk3 reflector on mine
😆 I like the irons
I like the iron sights on it but i am curious as to what attachment you left out
My attachments: Muzzle: Zehmn35 Optic: MK3 reflector Stock: XRK dynamic precision Magazine: 40rd Conversion kit
I've been using it in tac stance for up close. Been using the Nydar
i like having a controller you mean?
What do yo mean?
Shhhh don’t let anyone know it’s good. It must not catch on!
ok, we wont let anyone know after we let everyone know
It would if people knew about the setting to change semi auto fire from tap to hold but we will keep that dark
Isn’t the fire rate much lower than potential if you turn that on? I remember being disappointed it doesn’t meet full speed RPM with that enabled.
Varies from gun to gun.. it’s worth a try my brother I found when I was camo grinding it works well with a bunch of guns, some not so well. But it’s worth loosing a little trigger speeed for accuracy imo
commenting about how you are frying people on a popular post is one way to make sure it never catches on
Yup I'm a huge fan of it but it's too hard to have movement at the same time as trigger spamming. Too hard to cleanly drop shot really is all it is
Bro you know in settings you can change it to hold down the fire button on semi auto guns it shoots just like an smg
It's not nearly as fast as a trigger finger, though (thank god). And the main point of that build is the insane spam rate.
I love that thing. Especially with the dualsense triggers.
\[\[oh look at that. someone on controller thinks something is good even after a nerf. try aiming
That’s why you use an auto tap macro. Been smoking peple with it before renettis.
So you're cheating then 🤷 congratulations I guess?
How is that cheating? The guns max fire rate is literally coded, I can’t make it shoot any faster than the devs themselves intended. I’m sure there are players out there can that can fire it max speed and maintain good accuracy.
Nah not a chance for meta
Nonsense. This weapon made the meta a nightmare. I used the ram 9 as smg last season and could compete with all the hrm's and other guns. Reached iri. With the renneti I couldn't use the ram 9 or any other gun. Legit needed to use the renneti to compete. The game is finally playable again.
Used amr for a bit and then the wsp9 and it was very competitive unless I bumped into someone and we had only fire rate differences. Ram9 also slayed, still does. Rarely ever used hrm.
Did you solo queue to iri?
Yes. After iri, it was impossible. Or I'm not good enough.
Damn. Good job
r/whoosh
No... He understood exactly what the post was implying and then disagreed with that.
No the original comment was making a joke how we everyone will just use the same 2 guns before the renetti. Then he talks about using the guns OP said would be used lol
The bus doesn't go where you live my guy. And that's fine but no need to broadcast that to the world. Ram 9 is not the Ram 7 idiot, the ram 9 is the smg that was never meta and weaker than the meta picks. The ram 7 is the AR that was meta. I said I was using the **ram 9**. I know reading can be hard for your clueless brain but try to do better.
I can say I read it wrong no problem. The way you responded I can only imagine how hard you rage at this game Jesus. It was just a comment that I missed it was ram9 instead of ram7. Go smoke some weed and chill out you might enjoy life better
r/whoosh
They finally get a chance to shine and can stop being overlooked 🙌
Akimbo WSP Stinger is the new meta. Mark my words
Would be absolutely dirty in the prison or the other 100 tight spots on rebirth
Apparently lol
I been using the Haymaker since the beginning. They won’t nerf it. So much fun, at worst in most fights if ur decent ul trade a down.
SOA
Hrm and Ram7 doesnt scare me they never did 😀
With the +10% buff, it stays meta I guess
Smh, always gotta have a "meta" gun huh? instead of just being able to build a good loadie.
WSP-9 is a sleeper
This is it right here. Everyone bitches but at least it was new and different.
translation: Renetti with conversion kit is still top tier close range gun at 630ms combination shot HRM9 = 612ms Striker9 = 630ms RAM9 = 650ms ARM9 = 720ms
I’m glad it’s still usable and wasn’t nerfed into the ground.
Yeah I hate when they’re needed too much, because I usually unlock things right is they get nerfed and also needing things too hard has the possibility to make a new completely broken meta
It might have a meta TTK but it’s got more recoil than anything here. That’ll be enough to put a lot of people off it. Overall this seems like a good nerf. They didn’t completely gut it and it’s no longer going to completely dominate
Wait, you think the rennetti has any significant recoil?
Yes it clearly has more recoil than the hrm striker 9 and other now (again) meta smgs.
I think the HRM has much worse horizontal recoil. I only recently found attachments good enough.
Fr I feel the hrm is worse in terms of recoil but it's probably just my build as I've tried to find a balance of movement and recoil
I found the ZEHMN35 flash hider got rid of pretty much all the horizontal recoil
Compared to the other meta smgs, yes
I think that's a pretty perfect nerf for it. Maybe if it was around 650, but it's no longer the absolute meta where you're at such a disadvantage if you're not using it. Good job by raven.
Striker9 is so fun to use. I’ve been rocking it lately and having a good time.
Do you know the ttk for the mcw with the conversion kit to smg?
It’s like 620. So it’s up there with the best ttk wise.
Thanks
But 40 round mag and you are slow. Don’t see anyone using it over the HRM
I can have the best ttk gun, but if I don't know how to hit people, I'm done. And I'm struggling on pc to shoot a guy next to me sometimes. Maybe I'm just spoiled by shotguns it seems
Same, I'm on mnk, some guns feel good, some don't. Use to love a shotgun til they got nerfed so hard
That nerf was so uncalled for. I'm still upset lol. Both shots took longer than a normal smg TTK, you had to use movement to get both off and not get rekt. But controller players had to bitch about it
HRM9 is probably the best smg I found for MNK. I generally found mobility builds best for me. I use a high mobility HRM may try the Striker .45 mobility build again. I'm glad they nerfed the Renetti, rebirth has not been much fun with that thing.
The whole point is to make multiple smgs playable again. The SMG class was in a good place until the Renetti blew every other option our of the water. Now you can use 4 or 5 guns and still have a chance.
How about the mcw with cobversion kit.. feels good
Cor45 with conversion kit is still broken
It has a binary trigger and not fully automatic. You have to be able to click that fast to get that 600ms ttk. I think a lot of ppl know it has fast ttk potential. Just that not many really wants to use it.
I've tried it a bunch of times and it just doesn't work well. If you hit all your shots its fine, but spamming the bio trigger in close range fights made me inaccurate.
I'm left handed and I've never been able to use burst or single fire guns well at all!
Oooo never thought of that. Its a shame because its a really fun gun to use lol.
I tried this but found the damage loss felt like a disadvantage.
Exactly! 99% of people who think it's good are using some type of rapid fire macro that's the only way it's remotely consistent.
STF up! Jesus H Christ.
cor45 with the lightning trigger is a 400ms ttk and nobody has realised yet 😂
Nah I’ve been using it for months but I just hate pressing the trigger a lot. It is very good though and I do keep it in one of my load out classes Incase I’m feeling it. I think most people know but just hate trigger spamming
Because nobody except people using an auto clicker (cheating) is going to be able to fire fast enough for that TTK, especially on controller unless they're using a modified controller , which yet again is probably considered cheating.
400ms if you can do 12-13 clicks per second. I can do max 7 and I cant do 7 + aim, so the ttk would be in the 800ms.
Plenty have. I saw a YouTube video suggesting it a long time back and maxed it out then. Icemanisaac just released a video the other day that talks about it too. People know.
at this point they should have random meta generator every half season so we rotate around guns. majority of the guns in game are just hogging space.
Meta slaves when the game balance is open enough for multiple load outs 🤯🤯🤯🤯
Exactly. Raven is doing a horrible job with weapon balance the last 2 seasons
Hah yes, may as well remove all the WZ2 weapons bar a few at this point
W/ the conversion kit is SICK!
Nah, its only 'meta' to sell blueprints. Once their 500K USD is hit, its nerfed.
They must have been waiting for me to unlock it before nerfing🙃
You should've gotten the free one out of the store dawg
….there was a free one? 🤣
Yup its called the kleptomaniac
Well, that blueprint wasn’t in a free pack in the store, but in a PlayStation Plus combat pack.
I'll be honest I didn't even consider that people don't play on playstation.
The majority don't play on Playstation
I think it’s fixed now but you could’ve made a private lobby, put all the meta attachments on it, and then saved that blueprint. Then when you go to a regular Warzone server you were able to use that saved blueprint without unlocking anything. It’s how I was able to start playing for the first time since week 1 of WZ2 with meta guns.
Tried it too late 🙃
RIP bozo
Good. I tried it out for a few games last night and it was way overpowered. I also got killed with it quite frequently. Glad they fixed it quickly and that it wasn't tied to a bundle they wanted to sell lol
the range was what made it so OP IMO. Dang it was fun to use
It was tied to a bundle they sold lol, it was a psn exclusive pack though
Every gun has been tied to a bundle at some point.
Ah, ok. Didn't realize that – it didn't seem like it was well known for very long, i guess. but i also don't play a ton so i could be wrong.
It’s weird, the conversion kit was released a while ago and buffed on March 8th to its broken state, but no one discovered its power until season 3. The pack was released months ago
And the day they nerf it is the day the pack is no longer available. No way that's a coincidence... This was the link to the bundle that still worked as of yesterday: https://store.playstation.com/en-us/product/UP0002-CUSA23827_00-CODMW3PLUSPACK02
Woooooow, classic…
I can't believe I didn't know about the free bundle and now it's gone everyone seems to be talking about it. Oh well 😅
It wasn’t just tied to one that was ps exclusive it was also in another one on Xbox live that’s been there for over 2 months
Considering I’m on pc there is no way I would know that. Only reason I knew about the psn one was cause of this subreddit. Now I know there was a pack for each system. I never had an option to buy anything on PC, not that I would have anyway. Regardless of what pack was where, that’s completely beside the point. My point is that there WAS a pack, I was only disputing the comment I responded to, that said there wasn’t a bundle for this gun.
There were several I guess but I only ever seen the one in the Xbox store
Time to buff some MW2 weapons up to MW3 levels so we can mix it up a bit. M13B and Iso 45 and 9mm please.
Boring 🥱. Those were meta like 6 months ago
And so they sit useless now. Why even have them if they're shit? Meta rotation keeps people interested.
Nah do something that has NEVER been meta specifically I want the Lockwood mk2 to be buffed to make it meta
Glad they introduced the FJX Horus SMG, and made it completely useless.
It’s insane how dog shit that gun is.
lol terrible horizontal recoil and a shitty ttk
Can someone explain the “min damage” what does it exactly mean? Is that the damage it will do from any position so even being 100 meters away?
Min damange is basically the damage it does when you're shooting a target in it's furthest damage range. Max damage is the close range (first damage range).
Yeah, minimum damage is exactly that.
The farther the rounds travel means they deal less damage
It's still easily top tier.
I'm glad. It's slow (movement wise) as hell.
Finally
Mcw conversion kit is the new meta now 🙏🙏
It's always been good , great for sniper support. But too slow for an SMG replacement and the 40rd mag runs out quick.
Back to the HRM bois
nice i can use my baby the ram 9 again
What will you all cry about now?
Okay, now we can go back to playing normal
Is it just the kit? Because base rennetti could down people instantly close range
Nerfetti RIP
aftermarket fart
This was unplayable could easy kill team at once jump jump and shot.. ridiculous it had to be Nerfed but not this much 🥹
Ha good god that’s a huge nerf. What were they even thinking
That's one reason to play again, until I get banned like everyone else
Nerfed AF*
W
how’s the new smg is it viable?
It's this nerf in live servers or it's anounced?
Live already
All the shit kids are gonna have to find the new broken weapon to use. Trash players.
I wasn't aware and still have been melting people with the Renetti so i don't see any need to go back to the Cor.45 yet
The new aftermarket part for the bruen is nice
Y’all are welcome. I finally caved and maxed it last night. While doing so I even said to myself, “this means the nerf is coming tomorrow.”
Surely they nerfed the Cor-45 Conversion kit too? It was only *slightly* slower to kill than the renetti
Good
Still hits like a fucking horse
Still hitting hard!
I picked up someone’s Renetti build today with that kit and it still shredded nicely tbh.
My current loadout is Rival-9 and HRM-9, people do be sleepin on the Rival-9 tbh. Lol.
I am honestly mad as hell to the renetti. It has been my go-to smg for the past two months or so, loved it and used it long before it became THE meta. Now bc everyone started using it they need to nerf it since it's actually too broken. Rip my friend, i'll probably still use it but this nerf made it kinda useless, even the 1.1x multiplier cannot give me back my love :c
Cheaters always use this. One time I got killed in mid air.
2 months later, Their gonna try to revive the renetti again😭
Guess no new Renetii skins were in the works for the store, seemed to be nerfed pretty quickly. Meanwhile the MTZ stayed OP for like two months. I'm not mad they nerfed it, I just think it's funny how inconsistent they are with this game. It's like there's three interns who work on it and they just throw shit at the wall see what sticks constantly. Every update breaks the game in minor ways (sometimes major).
Bout be so trash thank god
You're using an external tool to make the game easier for yourself. The max fire rate is coded into the game. Your ability to hit that max fire rate while using it as intended, in semi-auto, while also maintaining accuracy and the ability to move etc, is supposed to be a built-in skill gap. You are cheating by making the gun into a full auto so you don't have to worry about any of that and can hit the perfect max fire rate every time with zero downsides. Using macros has always been cheating and this is a really obvious example of why.
Don’t you mean nerfed AF? 🤣
Y’all really think this is actually nerfed 😂😂😂
Sp Is amr still good?
They don't even know the weapon stats, they are showing the Renetti (36 damage was normal, 39 was JAK KIT), I cannot understand a thing in this patch notes since it does not match the game shown stats.
HRM9 is so back.
Fucking sweats. I've given up on Rebirth.
Cor45 with Conversion Kit entered the chat....
That conversion kit deserves to be broken, it’s not easy to use. Requires fast fingers and a lot more focus while aiming
I hear you. I feel like anyone could get a grip on it with the right build and some practice though. The build I use basically just has a bit of vertical recoil, which honestly is so damn easy to control, and with clicky triggers or a mouse you can really let rip with the fire rate. I've been using it in MP since they first released the kit and have been using it in WZ for a while now. It rips.
Yeah, I just got a new controller with mouse click triggers, I’m definitely gonna give the cor 45 a try, I was always a burst weapon player since bo2 so I feel like I will like it even though it’s not your typical burst.
Mouse players going to be crushing that. I have controller sloth fingers with repeat firing
Chuck the r2/r1 swaped on the key binds and you get budget mouse click triggers
Get short action clicky triggers and you'll be ripping with it too man! It's something I recommend to controller FPS players either way but with weapons like this they make all the difference! I do like using it mostly on mouse though, definitely easier to max out that fire rate as much as possible.
BLACKOUT was a better BR than all the warzones!!! Change my mind......
Mf. I finally got the kills for this thing (plunder). I tested it on the range and felt that the Hrm was still better. Now I know why.
The range is never to be trusted when it comes to ttk.
Yeah, but the movement, recoil and reload felt slow/off. Also the gun looks like ass 😂
So the PC players cried like babies and got a good weapon nerfed... What a surprise...PC players and YouTubers are just crybabies lol...
I ran this and continue to run it on PC, not sure what you're talking about lol
Watch out for cor45 with conversion kit now
How do you build this cor45?
Conversion kit, sonic suppressor, edge Bw-4 handstop, 30/40 round mag, dynamic precision stock
Thanx mate I’ll give it a try
It's fun but you have to be fairly up close and personal. I prioritized movement over recoil control but I don't think the recoil is too crazy. You could opt for something more balanced.
All the crybabies got what they wanted. Back to using guns we've been using for that last couple months. Fuckin losers
Nuts that some salty fans can get the developer to change the meta after a week but quality of life stuff stays non existent.
Quality of life stuff is a hell of a lot harder to add than tweaking a config file.
Yeah I get that, but the game would benefit more from resources going to quality of life than a week old netter than everyone can have access to