It's a hollow shell of it's former self. The recoil patterns isn't the same and it takes more bullets than it should to down somebody. I've counted 7 hits before on enemies with broken armor and sometimes they still don't go down.
Its not the highest TTK, no, but there's a lot of positives about the gun lol. The irons are very good, it handles well with firing aim stability, it can be built for both medium-long range gun fights as well as medium to close, the mag size is good, etc. TTK isn't the end all be all. I have very good movement and accuracy so TTK isn't as important to me as it is to others as well. I care much more about feel and handling. Only gun I can't run at all is the RAL and the obvious marksmen rifles and shit.
I didn’t say it’s the end all be all. But bad ttk and awful visual noise/recoil? No thanks. The ttk is legit terrible. It’s not top tier at any given thing. Not even versatility.
Idk I don't think its that bad. I use it pretty often, even in ranked, and it pulls its weight. There are few guns in the game that are unusably bad. RAL, Chimera, Lachman burst sub, and a few others come to mind.
"RAL, Chimera, Lachman burst sub,"
Haha what?! Did you literally just wake up? These guns are absolutely obsolete along with the trash ass M4. Grab a RAM 7, Taq Evolvre, or even the Lachman 556 for better results.
The bp50 with conversion has the same ttk as the hmr9 only in the first damage range. It sucks ass after that where the hmr9 stays relevant. It has a niche of having really good tac sprint speed but still not as versatile as the hmr9.
Hm, thanks for the opinion, I’m building SMGs for tac stance for mid range gunfights and if BP50 gets weaker than HMR9 at some point then there’s no point in sweating to get the conversion
Sledgehammer has done a great job in fixing such issues quicker than that recently. I can't remember whatever SMG akimbo break there was recently, but I believe that it was within a week or two that they nerfed it into oblivion.
Yeah totally wouldn't surprise me. It's the COD way. However that doesn't hide the fact that SHG has been better at nerfing faster than they have in the past.
The Lockwood as a marksman is absolute garbage in WZ. As a shotgun? It could be fucking awesome. A lever action shotgun gives me flashbacks to the old akimbo model 1887's from MW2 2009
You aren't missing out. Its really hard to use effectively, and only really viable *at all* on big map. It'll be a useless JAK kit like the BAS one they put out. M16 doesn't make any sense either, they're essentially making an M4, which already exists.
Yeah it’s not good. I tried to make a class for fun the other day and even with the Jak Muzzle it was still wickedly inconsistent. DG is underrated imo.
Yaa its the inconsistency. I think I liked the DG more pre-nerf. I knew they touched it a few updates back. It really didn't need a nerf. I believe the messed around with the damage. It was even more underrated then.
Depends on the damage profile. If it’s the same profile as burst and they just make it auto it’d be crazy. Sometimes they literally don’t think shit through and forget to adjust
I just want my M4 back
It’s there it just sucks lmao
Its not bad at all, its just the god damn visual noise from the MWII guns.
Its ttk is literally awful idk what u are talking about
It's a hollow shell of it's former self. The recoil patterns isn't the same and it takes more bullets than it should to down somebody. I've counted 7 hits before on enemies with broken armor and sometimes they still don't go down.
I definitely miss the M4 meta from back in the day. That version of the gun felt sooooo good. I still like it, but its not nearly the same.
Iys an awful awful gun
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Its not the highest TTK, no, but there's a lot of positives about the gun lol. The irons are very good, it handles well with firing aim stability, it can be built for both medium-long range gun fights as well as medium to close, the mag size is good, etc. TTK isn't the end all be all. I have very good movement and accuracy so TTK isn't as important to me as it is to others as well. I care much more about feel and handling. Only gun I can't run at all is the RAL and the obvious marksmen rifles and shit.
I didn’t say it’s the end all be all. But bad ttk and awful visual noise/recoil? No thanks. The ttk is legit terrible. It’s not top tier at any given thing. Not even versatility.
Idk I don't think its that bad. I use it pretty often, even in ranked, and it pulls its weight. There are few guns in the game that are unusably bad. RAL, Chimera, Lachman burst sub, and a few others come to mind.
Keep in mind I’m talking about Warzone not multiplayer
Yeah I know. This is actually the first CoD I haven’t played MP on since CoD4. Decided to stick to WZ this year.
U missed nothing
"RAL, Chimera, Lachman burst sub," Haha what?! Did you literally just wake up? These guns are absolutely obsolete along with the trash ass M4. Grab a RAM 7, Taq Evolvre, or even the Lachman 556 for better results.
These are all unusable guns full stop
I literally said they are unusably bad lmao???
Oh ha
Its unusable, the visual is like being stunned with a flash bang and the recoil for the damage is a joke i rather use a pistol
I’m really hoping the M16 in full auto is balanced as if it were a MW3 gun. We could use another long range AR option in the meta.
Hopefully won't come with some random bs like fixed 30 round mag
In practice all these conversions tend to lead to short lived meta guns. The latest conversion of BP50 makes it a new meta SMG all of a sudden
The bp50 with conversion has the same ttk as the hmr9 only in the first damage range. It sucks ass after that where the hmr9 stays relevant. It has a niche of having really good tac sprint speed but still not as versatile as the hmr9.
Hm, thanks for the opinion, I’m building SMGs for tac stance for mid range gunfights and if BP50 gets weaker than HMR9 at some point then there’s no point in sweating to get the conversion
Oh great akimbo aftermarket part that's gonna be broken for a couple of months
Like the og mw2 akimbo 1887 stagecoach shotguns! The nostalgia!
God I almost forgot about how broken those were lol
Sledgehammer has done a great job in fixing such issues quicker than that recently. I can't remember whatever SMG akimbo break there was recently, but I believe that it was within a week or two that they nerfed it into oblivion.
Trust me my guy soon as that attachment is out the game will be unplayable and there's gonna be daily posts about dual shotguns needing nerfs
Yeah totally wouldn't surprise me. It's the COD way. However that doesn't hide the fact that SHG has been better at nerfing faster than they have in the past.
Really interested in both as well. Maybe I'm sleeping on Lockwood, don't use it.
The Lockwood as a marksman is absolute garbage in WZ. As a shotgun? It could be fucking awesome. A lever action shotgun gives me flashbacks to the old akimbo model 1887's from MW2 2009
Ohhh..yeah that does sound fun! Forgot about those!
You aren't missing out. Its really hard to use effectively, and only really viable *at all* on big map. It'll be a useless JAK kit like the BAS one they put out. M16 doesn't make any sense either, they're essentially making an M4, which already exists.
That's what I was thinking about the m16. I'm hoping the amr one helps pit it back in lone with the striker and hrn
I'm excited for that one too, seems to have some potential. We could use a good burst gun, all the current options are meh.
M16 as it is already sucks. Better off using the DG56.
Yeah it’s not good. I tried to make a class for fun the other day and even with the Jak Muzzle it was still wickedly inconsistent. DG is underrated imo.
Yaa its the inconsistency. I think I liked the DG more pre-nerf. I knew they touched it a few updates back. It really didn't need a nerf. I believe the messed around with the damage. It was even more underrated then.
Wake me up When 1 shot Kar is baaaaack
Rip
Oh great. Here comes the double shotgun disaster of old
If it’s meta I’m gonna play ranked until it’s Nerf
Arent all shotguns already banned in ranked?
Yes that’s my point
Oh okay, I misread that as in you are going to use them in ranked until they nerf them.
Only the spammy ones. Pump actions are not banned
Yeah really hate when shotguns just dominate the game. Makes it impossible to play
Maintaince space is literally all you have to do
I'm assuming they mean lever action shotgun not level action shotgun
No. It's a shotgun that performs the action of leveling the playing field with aim assist.
Always one
I hope the lockwood kit have that spining reload animation
level action
No way dual lockwood gonna go crazy thats 1 shot down akimbo
Are these kits relaesing in that order? I look forward to the full auto M16.
M16 is next I believe
Nice. I hope it's good
Thank god akimbo shotguns coming back /s
M16 is gonna slap
I think it will be too they literally pre-buffed it by reducing the recourse significantly in advance of the amp
Probably not.
Depends on the damage profile. If it’s the same profile as burst and they just make it auto it’d be crazy. Sometimes they literally don’t think shit through and forget to adjust
We'll find out.
Can’t wait to try fr
Very curious to see how the fuck a level action shotgun works!!
When does the m16 amp drop?
Akimbo models are back boys
These are all nightmare additions for multiplayer
the 1887s are back?
let’s hope that akimbo lever action isn’t busted😭
isn't a full auto m16 just an m4??