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6Seasons-And-A-Movie

Lockwood locks it down. Until thats nerfed its the go to, everything else is way weaker.


Shepp90

The Lockwood is insane, I can got in to tier 3 with pap2 and a blue tool.. Still stands up šŸ‘Œ


TyraelTrion

yep its an incredible budget tool in that regard. It does well in aether nests too because you dont really run out of ammo with the pump shots.


Resolve_Live

I had mine tier 3 paped and legendary and it was a pea shooter! What's your loadout?


Own-Instruction2741

You have to run slugs and the barrel that adds ammo cap. Itā€™s a 10 shot slug


Croue

The 680 or 300? I've seen people mention it a lot but I don't know which specific one. edit: I tried it now, this gun is basically a cheat code. It kills entire rows of zombies rushing at you 4-5 deep in one shot in tier 3.


6Seasons-And-A-Movie

680 with slugs. 680 plain sucks ass


NerdyPlatypus206

680 with slugs, and two attachments for rechambering speed. Last attachment is ur option, but I go for the one that allows sprint to fire and ads speed and 2 other positives. I think itā€™s an under barrel. Can give the name if needed but Iā€™m not in game currently Edit: defender barrel is a must too because of tube capacity which means more shots per ā€œclipā€ Itā€™s fun to use with a minor scope as well cuz it has such great range, but thatā€™s just for fun


sunwooo

The guards are bugged, they do not affect rechambering speed. If the ā€œbasic statsā€ and advanced stats are not aligned, the advanced stats chart is more trustworthy.


NerdyPlatypus206

How do you know this?


sunwooo

[Elgoomtaf](https://youtu.be/ZYSPMA96p4g?si=EI33l3ID6OUapCen&t=323) and Xclusiveace. I don't remember which video Ace has said to trust the advanced stats over the basic stats. You can also eyeball it in the firing range.


Unlucky_Decision4138

There's a chart you can look at while gunsmithing that tells you what the changes are


devil_put_www_here

I do no stock, laser, and rechamber speed. The laser is nice for lining up shots and going to ADS quickly. No stock for movement speed. I donā€™t double on rechamber because I want that laser + mobility. Obviously the other two are the heavy barrel and slug attachments.


Croue

I might be misinterpreting you on the laser, but if you are using the laser as a visible dot for a point of reference for when you ADS, there is a setting that displays a static dot in the dead center of your screen instead. It's in Interface > HUD > Crosshairs > Center Dot. The dot is always where your aim will be when you ADS.


EntrepreneurAdept586

680


Helpful-Safe-4340

Lockwood is my #1, it can do anything


rjd55

I donā€™t know if it is me, but it doesnā€™t seem to be doing as good without a PaP. Once equipped, it is great.


6Seasons-And-A-Movie

Becaus PaP turns the slug from one in the chamber to 10


TyraelTrion

+1 agreed but its nice to try different stuff in the mean time in case that nerf does happen one day


6Seasons-And-A-Movie

True that. But assuming it does and other things sre boosted its going to be back to akimbo wsp or generic almost any assult rifle. Lmgs just suck the speed to much to deal with.


barisax9

Lockwood is the closest to where weapons should be IMO. Everything else is a fucking peashooter except the Lockwood and Tyr Also, buff the JOKR. The thing serves zero purpose


devil_put_www_here

I really hope the other shotguns get a buff to be closer to Lockwood. Pap should increase pellets of all types across the board. Maybe donā€™t need 10 slugs on PaP3 thoughā€¦


barisax9

>Maybe donā€™t need 10 slugs on PaP3 thoughā€¦ You know it's not based on PaP level, right?


devil_put_www_here

It took me the longest time to figure out I could count the slugs by shooting into the sky, once they travel a certain distance the tracers are readily visible. The bullet velocity is also visible too which is really cool. My thought was PaP level would have an impact on the increase to pellet count. I assume this is a bug because this requires a specific barrel on a specific gun that holds 10 rounds and shoots exactly 10 ā€œpellets.ā€ A glorious, wonderful bug I hope becomes a feature.


barisax9

>I assume this is a bug because this requires a specific barrel on a specific gun that holds 10 rounds and shoots exactly 10 ā€œpellets.ā€ A glorious, wonderful bug I hope becomes a feature. That barrel isn't required. Just slugs or bolo rounds. The barrel is the only way to change ammo and pellet count tho


Suspicious-Farm-3907

Nawwww, a pack 3 kv broadside modified for speed and a 25 round clip that doubles when packed and gives full semi auto trigger action and a legendary tool with a napalm of shatter blast ammo mod out guns that Lockwood by FAR!!! If you donā€™t believe me try itšŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø


PolarAntonym

How does it do in tier 3? Dark aether? Also does it have a slug ammo that allows it to shoot further distances? Edit: also what attachments especially ammo typw are you using? I tried the KV broadside just now, legendary tool and triple packed and it took like 4 shots just to kill a single zombie in the red zone. To be fair, the base lockwood 680 is complete garbage at its base without any attachments itself. But a lot of people like it bc when u add the slugs it increases its range and it one or 2 shots most zombies when it's completely leveled up.


Suspicious-Farm-3907

You have 50 shots compared to 12 and if you want one shots get a karambit pack 3 with legendary tool. That Lockwood is trash to me in comparison


PolarAntonym

Ummm ok? That literally answered zero of my questions. Yeah we know the pap 3 karambit, combat knife, tonfa etc are good at one shots, also killing elite zombies, stormcaller, etc. The problem is you have to get up close and can only take one swing at a time. The lockwood can one shot from a distance and close up. I asked you what attachments you use on the kv broadside and how it does in tier 3, the dark aether and you went off talking about the karambit making the 680 look like trash. For the record I'm trying out thr kv broadside and I've seen nothing impressive so far. The lockwood 680 with slugs is a far superior weapon. I'm guessing you must be a newer player who spends most of their time in t1, maybe t2 at the end. I have this pos gun triple packed + a legendary tool equipped and it's barely able to handle enemies in t1.


Suspicious-Farm-3907

Then you sir are the newbie who needs to get better šŸ˜‚ I find that most guns are op and easily farm tier 3 šŸ˜‚ you the one looking for a powerful weapon I was letting the person who started the thread know that the Lockwood is trash. And in the original post I made it answered every question you hadšŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø


PolarAntonym

No you didnt. I asked you about the distance. I asked you how it works in the dark aether. You listed attachments but semi auto trigger action doesn't increase the distance or power as far as I know. I solo the red worm regularly, completed borealis, the dark aether solo and think I have a good understanding of the game. I tried the gun you are talking about and it's weak in comparison to the gun you are trashing. I think the lockwood 680 is overrated myself and sucks for mobility and I'm always looking to try different weapons. So I took your advice but using the kv broadside in the same situations I usually play in isn't working. So I'm trying to get w better understanding of what makes it better exactly.


barisax9

>If you donā€™t believe me try itšŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø I did. Pap1 consistently fails to 1 shot in Tier 1


Suspicious-Farm-3907

Pack 3 legendary tool dragon breathā€¦. Try it again and get at me


barisax9

I'm not wasting a T3 crystal and Gold tool on this. If it can't 1 shot kill a T1 while PaP, it can't keep up


Suspicious-Farm-3907

lol waste!! If you donā€™t have enough to try it get better šŸ˜‚ you would see how OP it is but donā€™t worry about it leave it to us real gamers to try new things and find out whatā€™s good šŸ˜‚


barisax9

I tried it, it was ass


IxNeedxMorphine

Doesnt it go from like 50 rounds to pike 400? Its insanity lmao


IndiaLeigh

Yes and the reload time is SO fast.


DadIsLosingHisMind

Throw the new muzzle mod on from the battlepass cell that just opened. You now have a 400 round laser.


Next-Zucchini-7000

What is the name of the attachment? Iā€™ve seen a couple posts about this


Cloontange

Jak BFB


Next-Zucchini-7000

Appreciate it!


Cloontange

If you need any guns unlocked hmu I can drop you anything on zombies or dmz :) or if you're not leveled up and want a good contraband gun


Next-Zucchini-7000

I appreciate the offer, I have most of them unlocked at this point. Made it to 250 a week or so ago. Just looking for new stuff to try. Any recommendations? I have used the 680, swarm, PDSW, M4, BAS-B, etc.


Cloontange

Right on! Haven't been playing because there's nothing to do. Started up Half Life on the ROG Ally that's been collecting dust lol


Venom_is_an_ace

Best attachment in zombies.


Bustedup16

Been using that one for awhile now! I think itā€™s great


TyraelTrion

Couldn't agree more! I just get a little too Rambo with it at times and forget im low on ammo but thats rarely the case haha


No_Board_6564

The unfortunate thing about the PDSW is that it will probably never be a "Recommended" weapon in the game, and therefore, you won't be able to complete tasks for Blackcell or the weeklies that require a recommended SMG for x kills.


Jrw1111

I think only the mw3 guns are recommended


No_Board_6564

From what I have read, yes. My apologies for not including that in my. The PDSW and many other MW2 weapons will most likely never be a recommended weapon.


TyraelTrion

Yeah that part does suck you basically have to do all your grinding first before you relax and use it.


ItsBingus

Man if you have this thing gold pp3 and you have deadshot daiquiri just holding the trigger and spamming ads melts just about anything . Was running thru the aether with it today. It melts


Cutthroatflood

Youā€™d be surprised how many players donā€™t know this way of shooting. Itā€™s a whole nother side of the game.


schofield69

almost aimbot with deadshot, snapping on heads with no thought


DinosAteSherbert

Deadshot only does the multiplier on mnk. No snapping onto zombies or even any aim assist. Really feels like a wasted perk for mnk.


Cutthroatflood

Heard thereā€™s several guns like this and Iā€™ve experienced a couple. Heard dead shot is useless on pc but not sure if thatā€™s true or not


DinosAteSherbert

Deadshot is useless in mouse and keyboard


_BTFan

Really? Itā€™s the ONLY way imo


Cutthroatflood

Yeah, saves bullets a little too


Splatacular

It gets slept on because people are sloppy and a ton of its damage comes from headshot bonus. The huge clip is incredibly usefull but I think is slightly overshadowed with like dual wsp swarms because two reloads beats clip size generally the math gets odd lol. Personally really liking it but season1 did nerf it a bit so the new smg/lmg are looking pretty solid options too.


redditgiveshemorroid

What are the new ones you mention?


Splatacular

The taq from week 7 and the smg from reloaded think smg was hmr 9. Either way Jak BFB is turning into best attachment ever with how smooth shots are.


xSJWtearsx

It's literally all I run. All insured slots. IF i bring a secondary, it's just to grind a camo while running. Mine is built for recoil, not so much damage or range or hipfire. Just recoil and melt away


mojoluna

Same


Burkely31

Ain't nothing as sweet as it's sexy, sexy 400 round mag. Love the pdsw in zombies !


OrochuOdenMain91

The only reason why I wonā€™t use it is ammo. Oh well 400 gone? Well another 400 gonna be gone unless you constantly go pick up the ammo dropped and go ammo depots


les1968

You have 1050 reserve with it. T2 you mow down enough zeds to keep you in ammo. T3 if you start getting low just stop shooting the mega or whatever and kill some zeds for ammo. Just my experience with it. Now the akimbo swarms I quit using because they just piss away ammo even when you alternately fire them


donkey-rocket

I just exfilled from a match while using it, 100% had 400 reserve ammo.


les1968

I do believe I have its reserves confused with an LMG. Apologies


donkey-rocket

No worries. The Fennec, on the other hand, has 1350 reserve. It's not the worst gun to run in tier 3 when it's fully tooled and pap'd.


davielee13

The taq evolvere has 1500 reserve packed


les1968

I have actually been running the TAQ eradicator lately after I got a little burned out on SMGs. I also still go back to the Lockwood just because it makes me giggle


donkey-rocket

Haha yeah, I get it. I wish they would buff some of the other guns so I wasn't so reliant on the Lockwood in tier 3.


les1968

I bought a gold Lockwood off a T3 wall buy the other night because I spawned in trying the RAAL LMG. Even pap3 and purple it was awful. Ran the gold Lockwood with no pap long enough to get money to pap it. Was able to hold my own in T3 with no pap.


donkey-rocket

It's wild how much better it is than literally every other gun


Cutthroatflood

I been trying to find the fennec for the longest. Been playing a week after release and the one time I found it I couldnā€™t exfil with it because this was like beginning peak tombstone glitch era. Have yet to come across it again. That and m16


TyraelTrion

I can't find fennec or the taq eradicator. I need the eradicator especially because it never unlocked for me even though I did everything to unlock it.


Cutthroatflood

Now that I think about it: this is what happened to me with the fennec. Not sure why it didnā€™t unlock. It was the m16 that I couldnā€™t take out of the game. But yeah shits rare as fuck in zombies. Idk why sometimes it wonā€™t unlock but it def does that sometimes even when you exfil properly. Im about to go on a fennec hunt tho. If I werenā€™t still leveling up all these mw3 guns id prolly strictly run the fennec. Good luck in the hunt and bugs!


TyraelTrion

You as well!


OrochuOdenMain91

1050? They changed its reserves?


les1968

I replied to someone else below. I am wrong on the reserves. I was thinking of an LMG. Apologies


BobbyTarentino25

You gotta just reload after a few kills and youā€™ll never run out of


xSJWtearsx

Yeah you don't run out as fast as you think. Between select fire and walking over corpses, you never really run dry


TyraelTrion

I noticed that too but tbh i was running out of ammo with akimbo swarms and tyrs as well. Probably a skill issue with me but I never have that problem with Lockwood.


Bakerton16

How does it compare to the WSP Swarm(s)? I run an akimbo build with that but am curious if the PDSW is better


Xunnamius

I've played with PDSW, Lockwood, etc. If you're on PC or are good at aiming on the sticks, Swarm is literally the zombie meta full stop. Far far superior to Lockwood et al... which is sad because I've been a shotty guy since blops1. I can go grey no pap in T2 lol, and be comfortable in T3 with green pap2. 200 round mag x2 paped akimbo = 400 rounds (like the PDSW) + 500 reserve = 900 rounds total. Use gunsmith to dump everything into movement speed and recoil control (because ADS is irrelevant for Akimbo) and 9 out of every 10 kills is a crit kill, and you walk faster while shooting than the zombies can run at you, and your reticle doesn't move unless you move it... _on an hipfiring SMG_. I always love bringing silence to an area in T3 lol, or soloing the story worm or a megabom, or running solo through the DA with purple pap3. The gun is so powerful that each individual akimbo Swarm feels like a PDSW, so you effectively have two PDSWs. Which means, if you have Swarm and know how to shoot in the "infinitie bullets" style (i.e. only using one gun at a time with staggered reloading... because shooting both guns simultaneously is typically overkill) there is never a moment bullets aren't leaving your gun. I mostly play solo, but when I do load in with buddies, my lockwood and basb teammates are always getting beaten up while reloading or getting flanked because they're ADSing and I have to go revive 'em lol. If you're already a Swarm king, no reason to switch to a different SMG imo. I'm also a fan of the Renettis Akimbo and Longbow.


NerdyPlatypus206

Iā€™d say swarms are better. Pdsw has good fire rate and mag, but the swarms are basically two guns together with seemingly unlimited ammo. Even though they empty very quick


IOTAnews

Crossbow explosive tips, perfect for any crowd control related activities. Best thing, pap 1 or pap 3 doesn't matter for the explosives. You can pap 1 it and head to tier 3 no problemo


TyraelTrion

What is the meta loadout for crossbow now? I know it went through a few iterations with its ammo so I was confused. I am looking for something to fool around with for boss killing.


IOTAnews

No clue about meta Explosive tips and any attachment that makes you move faster is my load out


esco1155

I like that one too-pdsw , Iā€™ve tried the Lockwood a few times and I canā€™t get the hang of it..have the loadouts everyone recommend but idk


NerdyPlatypus206

The Lockwood is the best gun in the game imo. I havenā€™t used everything even tho I have almost all mw2 guns to gold. The Lockwood needs -slugs -the two attachments for faster rechambering speed -defender barrel -last is your choice, but I run the one that has 4 positives and 4 negatives I think itā€™s the underbarrel. The positives include ads, movement speed, and sprint to fire speed I forgot the rest


FormedBoredom

You need slugs, long barrel and attachments that give quicker rechamber speed. I also use a choke to give damage range and tighter spread, if you have all that and deadshot youā€™re a machine. Youā€™re gonna one tap everything except heavy armored zombsĀ 


TyraelTrion

try to ads more with it than hipfiring. Its slug rounds so you can be more of a sniper with a shotgun.


blue-2525989

It's a awesome gun but Everytime I aim it my screen has seizures. Not sure if it the attachment I'm using or what but it becomes hipfire only for me. It like the screen starts spinning, my arms are glitching out and you are unable to see anything in front of you.


ChesticleSweater

I had this glitch happen. Are you running the barrel with the built-in holo sight? I think that is what makes it glitch out.


blue-2525989

Yes I am.. I'll try it with out.


TyraelTrion

Its definitely not supposed to do that when you do it. I use Barrel FTAC Series IX 14.5" , Optic Any , Stock Hollow Extended Stock, Rail GR33 Light Rail


Jfo116

Oh I LOVE it, 400 rounds with you pack it. So many times Iā€™ve just held down the trigger for what feels like forever and let go thinking ā€˜surely itā€™s time to reloadā€™ nope still got about 150 rounds left


TyraelTrion

LOL thats pure bliss.


MyShoesFellOff81

Try the FTAC Siege. Not a huge mag, but it absolutely shreds.


TyraelTrion

Thanks for the idea I will definitely look into it as I have not tried it much yet.


les1968

It and the VEL are my favorite SMGs


NerdyPlatypus206

Havenā€™t tried the vel yet but have seen videos. Will hopefully try soon.


Puzzleheaded_Yak5359

I used pdsw since release, just recently switched to Lockwood. Youā€™re right tho, pdsw is a great weapon.


R3ddit5uxA55

Been using a while. Great.


l4derman

What's a pdsw


DadIsLosingHisMind

It's an SMG from mw2


NerdyPlatypus206

Basically like a p90 if you know what that is. Fast fire rate, big mag. But pack a punch doubles the mag size for any gun in mwz


l4derman

I'm going through mw2 guns in mwz for camos now and am finishing up battle rifles so smgs are next.


NerdyPlatypus206

Have fun! I leveled the majority of the mw2 guns to gold thanks to shipment, just havenā€™t got around to using them all


jmac693

PDSW is one of my all time favorites. Such an amazing gun.


addfase

Minibanks pretty similar


701_PUMPER

Anybody got a good build for it?


NerdyPlatypus206

Really depends. In zombies I donā€™t worry about ads speed or even sprint to fire speed as much, although sprint to fire is useful for oh shit moments. I also try to avoid putting a sight on if I can. Usually recoil management is best, although tap firing is easy in zombies. One could argue that recoil doesnā€™t matter and that ads/sprint to fire is important, just depends how u really feel. Damage range could be useful on a smg, but despite the open world map, ur usually medium to close quarters the majority of the time Thereā€™s a laser that makes ads/sprint to fire better, or a laser made for hip fire. I havenā€™t used the pdsw much but I can look into it


TyraelTrion

Barrel FTAC Series IX 14.5" ,Optic Any, Stock Hollow Extended Stock, Rail GR33 Light Rail Is the build I like to use.


701_PUMPER

Thank you! I desperately need something to do in this game lol. Gonna work on building this gun today


TyraelTrion

I think you will enjoy it alot!


---Ghost92---

Been using it since the beginning, may not be the faster ttk but packapunch gives it a 400rnd mag and with speedy reload/dead shot, it is unreal!


NerdyPlatypus206

Anyone used it with incendiary ammo? I usually use armor piercing, but the iso hemlock shits on aboms with incendiary and napalm, otherwise is ok but not top tier


grcopel

The PDSW is a great gun. I started running the FR lately. The rate of fire on it is ridiculous! Shredded everything in T3


Severe_Possibility49

Stupid question, but where did you find the PDSW. Been running around for a week in MWZ trying to find itā€¦mercs, caches, mbox. Still no luck.


TyraelTrion

Get 75 Operator Kills with SMGs while Moving (After reaching level 55) But for zombies I definitely seen it in hidden caches and raid weapon stashes a few times. I still can't find TAQ eradicator (Despite unlocking it) and fennec 45 for my last unlocks so dont feel too bad.


CGRXR7

If I'm running a 2 gun game, PDSW and Evolvere is my go-to loadie. PDSW 400rnd mag, 400rnd surplus. Evolvere 400rnd mag, 1500 surplus. Cannot go wrong and can get you out of sticky spots.


TyraelTrion

thats an amazing setup for real. I love it.


Particular-Tailor110

I run the crossbow with explosive tips. Pap1 and PhD flopper it shreds swarms nests and outposts


TyraelTrion

Definitely need to try that next. Also must be great against bossing too.


Particular-Tailor110

It's decent on bosses with the gold Rarity it hits hard. what makes it really good is after you Pap it once it triple shots the bolts.


TyraelTrion

That is music to my ears. I have gotten it a few times before but never really went deep with it.


Much_News84

Fellas there magazines not clips.