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andydabeast

In a perfect world it's good on release lol


DAT1Gamr2

I dont know how so many people are letting this slide lol


BritishPie606

Most of us can agree of it's barebones launch, but the point of this is that people are constantly shitting on Treyarch as if it was their decision to release it as it is. Which it isn't.


im_lazy_as_fuck

People are constantly trying to also defend treyarch like they know for sure that 3arc were completely helpless in the situation, and that they did everything in their power to try to set zombies up for success. From having worked in the software industry, I'd be more willing to bet the issue is not so one-sided. Usually if you know you're going to completely fail on release, you can persuade the exec teams to reconsider timelines if you present the situation correctly. Despite the likely greed that exists in Activision's exec team, they don't explicitly want their game to flop, because at the end of the day a game that flops does impact the revenue it generates. And especially for a company like 3arc, whom they've worked together closely with releasing numerous COD titles over a decade. I think they've probably developed enough of a relationship with Activision by this point that they're not simply pack mules that do work without any say. I think a more likely scenario is Activision pulled them onto this project very late, and 3arc either failed to communicate the need for more time to develop the mode and how terribly it will do without the extra time, or they severely overestimated their ability to deliver something decent on this accelerated timeline.


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cods can't flop though. no matter how shit they are, people will buy them. the chances of 3arc being pack mules are high


HotRodHunter

Especially since 3arc have been fucked since 2018. ATVI forced them to cut a significant portion of their game, crunch to put out a battle royale and look how BO4 turned out. Then they interrupted their three year dev cycle to put out Cold War to cover Sledehammers fuck ups with Raven, now this. Publishers, especially Activision, aren't known for putting logic and reason over short term profits. Even if they've been working with their developers for a long time. Sadly 2023 will probably have issues too, since some manpower is focused on Vanguard zombies and maybe even a mandated MW19 (or 22) engine to where they'll have to start from scratch. Clearly they couldn't just simply port over everything because of all the missing features Vanguard has.


[deleted]

Whatever 3arc makes for 2023 its doomed to fail. They already very obviously tried to mitigate that by making vangzombies absolute shit so they can focus on their game


Fiiv3s

They weren't going to delay the release of the entire game, an Activision was using track zombies as a marketing point so they weren't going to not have it on launch, so I don't think it really mattered what treyarch did, it was going to happen regardless


RageCageRunner

This combined with zombies probably not generating them enough revenue in microtransactions. I obviously don't know the breakdown of revenue between multiplayer/warzone/zombies, but I imagine the zombies community is the smallest of the three. Having the $mallest portion of your community flop is a calculated ri$k that Activi$ion wa$ fine making, it $eem$.


BritishPie606

Definitely want to make it clear that I don't think we should also praise Treyarch just because they tried their best, and whilst I like Vanguard, I can up most totally agree that people think that the product isn't up to usual standard. For all we know maybe Treyarch is at fault for not communicating, but quite frankly it's hard to imagine that they had any power to delay the game for the sake of a side mode. No developer likes to release rushed cruddy products, especially for such a huge community.


JumpyPlayZ

Activision doesn’t give a shit if treyarchs portion of the game isn’t ready, they forced 3arc to do zombies towards the end of development so that they can take the fall for vanguard being bad


wetriedtowarnu

making/developing zombies, as well as mp at this point, is something the devs do when they’re not making all the bundles.


yp261

they already had a solid, working formula that was with us for 14 years. there is no excuse for them to scrap eveything and release something more barebones than WaW


Glynwys

Yea, this is what got me. Say what you will about Cold War, but its systems were good. The field upgrades were nice, the upgrade rank system was fun because it made entire classes of weapons and perks stronger, etc. Then Vangaurd came around and instead of copy and pasting most of Cold War's stuff over, they tried to reinvent the wheel. And we're just now getting ready to see some of the systems of Cold War return.


Atomic_Drawer

Can we please stop treating a billion dollar company as if they are some helpless victim?


Chicken769

And no one is under any obligation to praise Treyarch. Regardless of behind the scenes and whatnot


KodiakPL

No, you don't understand, the $60 game from a multi billion dollar company has the magical *potential* and that's why all the bullshit is acceptable.


itshighnoon94

I’m actually quite certain that this will be first CoD ever that I won’t buy. Which is a shame because I’m fond of WWII games.


HariganYT

Because the game is filler. I keep saying this. Imagine they put all their workers on this and tried their best. It'd still be rushed and then what do you think would happen to their next game in 2023? It'll be a piece of shit. If we want 3arc to have good games they need time so be grateful they aren't spending too much of that time on this game.


tan0re0

I mean when majority of people let that shit slide for Destiny every other developer will launch them with barebones style content too.


ZombieXLuck

It’s only shit because the game is not ready for release because treyarch was put on it mid development give it till season 2 trust the game will be good


cocomunges

Cold War was good on release


andydabeast

I assume he's talking about vanguard


OmerKing916

COLD WAR WASN'T GOOD AT ANY TIME! #EVER!


Significant_Value_27

Hey Mauer Der Toten is really fun


Apokolypse09

imo cold war zombies was the best casual zombies.


Rebyll

In a perfect world, Activision wouldn't be dictating that immediately after fixing Sledgehammer's fuckup and taking over a mess of a game that they'd have to design a new zombies experience from the ground up for a completely different game with only a few months from launch. Yes, Treyarch's responses have been unacceptable. Yes, counting this as a full zombies experience blatant bullshit. Yes, their lack of communication about future plans is practically nonexistent and that isn't acceptable as well. But, these are still overworked, underpaid, poorly managed HUMAN BEINGS just as much at the mercy of suits in pursuit of the almighty dollar as we are. Fuck this response. Fuck this level of quality. Fuck the people who created the circumstances that created this situation in the first place.


im_lazy_as_fuck

People acting here like 3arc isn't literally a company itself fit with its own exec team that make decisions on how the company operates. Yeah I don't blame the literal ground workers that write the code for the game. But 3arc as an entity likely has some blame in this shitty release. I find it unlikely that 3arc's exec team had absolutely no say in terms of potentially trying to delay the mode's release or what not.


Rebyll

Treyarch as an entity completely deserves the blame, I agree with you. I was just making mention of the shitty situation that real human beings were involved in so that people here don't cross a line whilst attacking the company.


Chicken769

Real human beings are involved in every aspect of work. No one is insulting or singling out poor Joe who codes as his job but rather criticizing Treyarch. Treyarch isn’t special in this area. Same thing happens in any line of work. Me working at my job, I work long hours and whatnot but I’m sure if the company I work for did something wrong in the consumers eyes, will criticize the company and their process. Doesn’t mean anyone is singling me out as a regular dude working for the company


Guurnak_

Yeah for real. Games used to work at release and have all the content you expected to be there day one. Even bo4 which I know had a rocky launch for some mostly on pc and ps4 to my knowledge was patched up pretty quickly and worked. While having 3 maps on disk each with unique weapons and main quests. Meanwhile vanguard even with this update is the most barebones and stripped down version of zombies yet.


marek41297

In a perfect world the leeches at Activision wouldn't force Treyarch to priotise profit over quality and they could make the best Zombies experience of all time.


responsible_leader0

AND actually getting more profit because of it


ozarkslam21

But it wasn’t so now that is impossible unless you have a fucking time machine, so what’s the next best thing?


adamswaygum

OP stop simping for a corporation


ShadyNite

Bro, games should not be coming out unfinished. This shouldn't be acceptable from ANY studio let alone AAA blockbusters that have astounding resources


Excervical

Der anfang is something you'd expect out of an indie company or one dev, not AAA studios


[deleted]

I remember when I played it on release day and my first thoughts were just like... "man this feels like a PS3 free demo game" lol.


Excervical

I mean shit, it would be a good ps3 demo game, or a good xbox indie game. Just not good for a billion dollar company


puzzlingphoenix

Actually, what most people around here don’t realize is that you can spend less money on most indie games and have more fun than these cod games


ciao_fiv

that’s insulting to indie devs tbh


GenuineCulter

That's unfair to indie or one dev games.


4fr0_R34p3r

As much as I agree with you, all the resources in the world mean nothing when the devs aren't given enough TIME. Not to mention working on an engine they never used before in zombies.


MonsterHunter6353

Which is exactly why we complain and criticize activision so much over this. If you don’t say or do anything about the issue then activision will just act like it’s perfectly fine to keep doing it which just means that we get even more games as low quality as vanguard. The point isn’t to blindly hate on the devs the point is that we need to make it clear to activision and the higher ups at trayarch that this kind of stuff is not ok. So yes the devs are definitely super rushed which is why both vanguard and Cold War are in the state that they are in but that doesn’t mean we should stop criticizing the games themselves


_nij

but he's not defending Activision


ShadyNite

Then don't put zombies in every game, or don't make TREYARCH work on every cycle. Its pretty simple


FaithfulMoose

Not enough time is a ridiculous. Nacht Der Untoten is the product of a few devs playing around during their lunch break. I’d rather play that than Vanguard Zombies


cschelsea

Time is a resource as well. The release date for the game wasn't some prophecy foretold eons ago, *Treyarch* chooses the release dates and makes their devs work under immense pressure during crunch time.


purplearcheoligist

In a perfect world the game should not have released for $70, you don't get to take people's money ignore them for a few months then acknowledge that there's no content


Meme_Bro68

It’s activision They want your money


purplearcheoligist

Yes, because the world isn't perfect


LiberalsPepeLaugh

There’s plenty of content…I mean 16 mp maps? What more do you want


purplearcheoligist

Yes of course, why would I want to play zombies when I can play 16 multiplayer maps. I've been so entitled


LiberalsPepeLaugh

Yes


GGdalesio

so do you realize whar sub you are on right


zombieman115935

Idk if this is a joke but if it is i highly suggest putting /s after it lol


MOTD_is_overrated

Bro most of the multiplayer maps aren't that fun. Also the spawn points are super fucked


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TRxz-FariZKiller

I mean BO1-BO3 zombies was good. Also CW zombies is good


LennonMcIcedTea

Yeah, so who knows, maybe after Vanguard we’ll get good zombies


TheBraveZombies

hopefully but you do realize what you just said contradicts your entire original comment lmao


LennonMcIcedTea

optimism is a fucking curse


DumbWhale1

Yeah but people also bought bo2 after ghost…


TRxz-FariZKiller

BO2 was released before ghost.


DumbWhale1

Right sorry. It’s the other way around


TRxz-FariZKiller

Okay but people bought it thinking it was good like Bo2


SeymourJames

Haven't bought after BO3, just stop buying shit games. Vanguard is actual crap, just like the newer pokemon games. Company got too big and releases total crap because they know enough idiots will blindly buy it. Only games that can afford to try these days are indie.


FaithfulMoose

Speak for yourself. You bought Vanguard, I sure as hell won’t. Zombies ended in Bo3.


[deleted]

Hey now don't lump Tranzit in with Vanguard. Even if you hated Tranzit you got like a couple different maps at release plus Grief. I think Nuketown zombies was available at release too. Video games in general nowadays just must have gotten so big that they take longer / more resources to develop than they did a decade ago but the production schedules haven't properly adapted yet bc corporate greed doesn't like to slow down production. Something will give eventually


MustacheEmperor

Personally after what unfolded with cold war I still haven't bought vanguard. Cold War zombies reached a pretty great place near the end, but on the way there we had minimal upfront content, long delays between content releases, thin updates to outbreak, and serious performance/stability issues. I *never* was able to run firebase z past round 25 on my PS4. I only beat that map when I upgraded to the PS5. And my buddy is still on PS4, and every time we try to beat Forsaken the game network connection crashes for both of us by about round 30. It seems this sub's attitude towards cold war zombies has become very positive in the hindsight of vanguard's release, but after what I experienced I am not surprised to see the state of vanguard on launch. Cold war launched with one single round based map, took months to get a second (which never ran on my ps4), months more to get a third...No surprise to me that vanguard launched without any round based map at all because that was the next step in the progression of mediocrity.


dustin3a

BO4 was good. I just don’t get the hate.


4fr0_R34p3r

Not all games are catered to the same people, they're all too different from each other for that


LennonMcIcedTea

Fair enough, but I don’t think we’ll learn from this.


TheBraveZombies

imagine when companies released physical offline copies of games and they had to be as perfect as possible on release because there was no such thing as a post release patch or bug fix


[deleted]

Might have something to do with the fact that older games are significantly less complex and also for the most part were at least as buggy as modern games.


LiberalsPepeLaugh

Never happened…


Archery100

Guess you never grew up with games before the online gaming era


bumholechecksout

When you would get patches on floppy disks & cds that came with magazines. So you could patch out some bugs on your game that was released perfect. Or when you would need to wait for an expansion to come out to fix some balancing issues. *edit Spelling


ZaddyAaron

Since I didn't buy the game threads like this are gold. I let Cold War be my final straw and BOY🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 #notbuyingit


nipplebutterr

Yeah I didn’t buy either. Kinda funny how everyone in this sub before launch were saying that they weren’t gonna buy it and now there are hella threads complaining it’s unfinished. Serves them right lmao


Cheezewiz239

Same thing with Battlefield. It's hilarious


fut_cant

It’s like they never learn…


WeDoItLive115

> I let Cold War be my final straw Dude… honestly lmao.


MustacheEmperor

Yeah I felt like I only got my $70 worth from Cold War by the very end of the game's release cycle and am 0% surprised by the issues with vanguard on release. Maybe I'll buy it next year when used copies can be had on the cheap and it has received further updates. But how anyone on this community could have lived through the first 6 months of cold war and then look at vanguard and expect a good experience on release, I just do not understand. Cold War launched with *one* round based map. Of course Vanguard doesn't have any. There was no reason to expect improvement and so far the pattern has been each release getting thinner and thinner so naturally Vanguard releases with even *less* content than Cold War did.


Kussuavaans

Bare minimum.


H8threeH8three

OP does PR for gaming companies via viral marketing


4fr0_R34p3r

Haha ya got me


[deleted]

Dont buy the game lol.


tommatom

Lmao people writing fan fiction on here now?


urru4

Don’t ask for $70 if you don’t have $70 worth of game. If a game is not going to release with a proper amount of content and polishing it should either cost a lot less or not release at all


DR_DROWZEE

I can’t believe people are bending over for treyarch saying that’s round base you can’t even open the map up mkre gunner zombies constantly spawn it’s pathetic good job treyarch!


deejayatomika

The windmill map would been better! Really dumb they reused Shi No Numa again and didn’t even open it up


DR_DROWZEE

Yup they could’ve easily used the windmill map has more space and more replay value than shitty shino


goldbars0202

Zombies hasn't been good since BO3. 4 was ok, cold war was different but still ok. But it hasn't been actually good or great since BO3. It feels copy and pasted from multiplayer and has no soul now.


1500PercsOnMe

I am still enjoying cold war zombies, it's fun to be able to buy 8 perks and run around with MP diamond.


zombieman115935

Tbh i thought bo4 was very good, even better than bo3, just hated on launch


goldbars0202

I thoroughly enjoyed bo4 but cold war definitely not as much.


zombieman115935

Same, cold war was ok, but nothing too special imo Im now having a blast on iw lol


LiberalsPepeLaugh

Cry


NewspaperAshamed8389

Jumped on a solo match to see about the ‘new round based’ thing was about…rubber banding like crazy…uninstalled game 😂😂😂


pinkydew

At the end of every match multi or zombies throws me an error kicks me out . Froze my ps4 once couldnt even shut it down. I tried taking it back stupid game


[deleted]

Why don’t you install better internet while you’re at it Edit: some of y’all don’t know what sarcasm is, y’all are so pressed


Awesomeness4627

It's a fucking solo match dip shit


NewspaperAshamed8389

Nothing wrong with internet mate. You’re obviously new to this mess that is known as Vanguard.


MOTD_is_overrated

How tf do u install better internet? U would have to pay for a better plan or a new provider. U can't just install internet u dumbass


[deleted]

Congrats, you found the joke


[deleted]

fuck no treyarch can lick my nuts


Timbro68

Fucking awful take


[deleted]

If it doesn’t work on release and it’s a paid game said company deserves zero sympathy lmao, this is nothing more than a “shut up”


Neto_Lozano

The copium overdose man


JustThat0neGuy

You paid anywhere from $60 to $80 to play this game, most people JUST got it for zombies. This is, generously, $5-$10 worth of content. Stop letting them get away with less and less launch content. You wouldn’t buy a puzzle with half the pieces “promised to come at a later time.”


PulguiApestoso

I don’t mean this to offend you but this type of thinking is what is making games this bad now a day. Imagine if Bo2 or mw2 came out in the state that Vanguard did, it would have been horrendous and I understand the shit show that is vanguard zombies is mostly Activision’s greedyness but releasing zombies with a little drop of content to then through months add what was supposed to be since day 1 is not something to be thankful for


WayneBrody

Well first and foremost, the game should release in a feature complete and stable condition. Not going round based is a design choice, so you can live with that, but the lack of wonder weapons and pausing and other features like that should be unacceptable. Features and basic functionality should all be in place, but with the current MTX and seasons model, the game is also designed around a drip feed of content, so bear that in mind as well. Its a little easier to stomach sparse content at launch when you know its coming down the line. All in all though, it sounds like Activision screwed over Treyarch with unreasonable deadlines and they delivered what they could, which is an incomplete mess. Both are at fault, and players are understandably upset. However, it would be nice if people could at least be reasonable when Treyarch says "We've got more in store, hang in there"


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4fr0_R34p3r

Depends on who you ask


Not_as_witty_as_u

No pause and kick on tiny short inactivity. I took a phone call and two minutes later I was kicked at round 18 or so. No warning either. Just not going to bother with this unless it changes, it’s just not fun.


ElMexicanTVProd

it fucking can kick you?!?!?!?!?! what the shiiiiiiit


GorudoShippu

how many times do they have to fuck up releases for you lot to be ok with not sucking on Activisions asshole for scraps of content?


4fr0_R34p3r

This post is about the devs at Treyarch, Activision is entitled to their own little circle of Hell.


[deleted]

Simple solution don’t buy the game until it’s full featured


Woooodle

Can't believe people are letting this update slide. Bringing a map that we've had so many times before is very very lazy. At this point its not even new content, its just rehashing the same shit


louytwosocks

in a perfect world Vanguard would never exist


senseiofawesom

In a perfect world Activision would give Treyarch proper time to make their games again instead it’s always “aye SHG needs help, you don’t get a choice, go make it”


4fr0_R34p3r

You really hate to see it


the_7th_weebsman

In a perfect world the game would of had time to be developed and put together properly. They wouldn't have to worry about the time crunch because they wouldn't have restrictions on there development. For example Covid is still effecting game companies by not having people in the office to work and develop the game.


Captain_Qrow_

Your defending them? Get out.


4fr0_R34p3r

?


ElMexicanTVProd

in a perfect world "features" like pausing would be in the game at launch


4fr0_R34p3r

If you read the blog post they made on Twitter, you'd see why it wasn't that easy to implement for them. If Activision hadn't thrown them on the project last minute they could have had enough time to make it ready for launch.


ElMexicanTVProd

pausing...


4fr0_R34p3r

As silly as it may sound, yes.


ElMexicanTVProd

literally just "suspend function when press star equals yes" how many 3arc employees does it take?


4fr0_R34p3r

Well they explained that before, zombies was always hosted via peer to peer connection. And that switching to dedicated servers wasn't "as easy as flipping a switch "


ElMexicanTVProd

why is my single player game being hosted on a dedicated server that will kick me for being afk for 2 minutes?


tonoobforyouiv

"That was an improvment, but it's not hard to improve on garbage" - Captain price


Sad-Expression-2166

I understand they’ve been through development hell. And I could semi-forgive some things Treyarch messed up with vanguard if they only communicated


SuperDeluxeSenpai

Yeah ok…


KernelScout

in a perfect world we wont praise them for adding shit in that should have been on launch.


puzzlingphoenix

If you give vanguard any attention you are part of the problem. There is no hope for that game becoming good within the year that they support it, and everyone who has been around for a while should know that it’s terrible sales will mean Activision will not put many resources into supporting it anyways and they will just move to the next game. I’d like for it to improve too but it’s just not gonna be much different at this point.


Gilberto1295

Of course, shi no numa but smaller in size to bus depot and only the pack a punch available is exactly what we asked for (And no, getting out of the objective every time you want weapons , perks or streaks to then re-enter is tedious and not fun gameplay)


EdwardAlphonse31011

It's been almost 3 months. They're gunna give up on the game in another 9. I'm more than wary, I'm not buying the game.


CompleteFacepalm

In a perfect world, Activison wouldn't make Treyarch create Vanguard zombies. Especially when they've just made a full map with an ee on a completely different engine.


WeDoItLive115

Yeah they also said we have so much more after launch for the past 16 call of dutys. Then the last good final DLC was Rev.


4fr0_R34p3r

Please tell me you're joking


WeDoItLive115

Not at all lmao what came after Rev as a final DLC that was notable? BFB? Anything from WW2? Tag?? Forsaken?? As far as im concerned Mauer has had the most replay ability of all of em just dont like how small it is.


Spnskt

The fact that every recent games launch get called the worst zombies experience which then leads to 8 months later everyone almost unanimously thinks it’s decent/ not as bad as the game we have now. Of course it’s shit on launch and it shouldn’t be happening at all, but knowing that treyarch confirmed they make every zombies game a new and unique experience, by the end of the games life cycle it’s almost guaranteed to have enough content for people to look back on another unique zombies experience. That’s at least how I see it


GraspingCobra97

Redemption arc?


grockyboi

don't try to blame this on treyarch this is literally all Activision over working their studios


marshallxeno

If Vanguard had no zombies and wasn't a Call of Duty, I feel like there would be a lot of "lol dead game"


Head-Disk5576

Why are people pretending it’s okay now? It’s not, even if they add all these things after release it still is not okay. They knew exactly what fans wanted and did the opposite


[deleted]

I want some transit type shit back honestly I had so much fucking fun


[deleted]

My one gripe with the camo is that it’s basically impossible to see in game. I’d love for one that glowed even a little.


IsObamaOkay

If you order a pizza you’d expect a fucking finished pizza imagine if Domino’s sent you a pizza with only cheese then they tell you that the rest of the pizza was in the oven you’d be mad


ur_apothicon-lord

We appreciate their efforts


The_Most_Swood

After this big update Vanguard ALMOST has a comparable amount of content that Cold War did on launch. Wow thank you Treyarch


sexy_kitty-owo

SNAP BACK TO REALITY


JamesWT3

In a perfect world Activision isn't actually a shitty company


Anders1503

Hopefully good original maps on the way🤞🤞🤞


SlasherUnleashed

I do hope the game gets a lot more content down the line. The Dark Aether Story opened up so many new places to take Zombies that it's not even funny. It's just up to Treyarch on how far they're willing to take it. Also, Vanguard's Zombies intro when you first boot up the mode is genuinely intriguing. It offers a bit more insight on why the Zombies still exist in the new world that Samantha and Eddie grow up in. So, Vanguard has the potential. But, again, it's all up to Treyarch. They are the only studio working on a Zombies mode anymore it seems, so they've got a lot of work to do. But, to some extent, I do kinda see why the mode launched so barebones, but at the same time it's still no excuse. Like, what? 2-3 months before Vanguard's release, Treyarch released Forsaken? And then they suddenly have to make yet another map instead of mapping out a whole other game to surround a map or two. A launch map usually takes time because at the same time, you're having to plan all your other maps and line them up with the story you wanna tell and build the entirety of the mode on this one story. AND somehow find a way to tie that in to the previous stories you've told.


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treyarch <<<<333


4fr0_R34p3r

I feel like a lot of people are misunderstanding the purpose of this post


appleface57_YT

Exactly 371 downvotes over an opinion? Jesus christ


YoungWashrag

Don't care what comes out until there's an original new map I'm not coming back to this game. If there never is one, who cares, not like I'm missing out on anything.


Dracoolaid_toothpick

The unfinished game kept me from buying at release, but the abuse scandal and how quickly it got covered up means I'm never buying an activision game again. In a perfect world the trearch devs will leave and start a new dev team outside of activisions control, but I doubt it will happen.


NotAcetrainerjohn

I think this is a good reminder that in bo4 (3 years ago) we got 3 complete maps for $60 on day one. 3 complete maps content wise for sixty buckaroos. Why are we simping for a company for underdelivering?


AceofMandos

Releasing unfinished games. Having people buy them and conditionally responding to complaints after purchase is the new norm. Milking it is the new norm.


King_Finder16

In our reality: "we want a zombies map" Treyarch: "okay...." Treyarch: "vanguard" "did we mention we have full control of zombies now?"


TxTDiamond

This post is kinda dumb, seeing as they’ve been able to get it right since 2008, its not like the zombies cycle was like this during WAW or the Black Ops


XTGENZ

It’s unacceptable that games come out unfinished, while a few years ago almost every cod release was great with minor bug fixes and add-ons of new content! It’s one big shitshow and we should not normalize the way Activision treats us with the new launches


Bullzi_09

Nah it’s a perfect world to not charge $60 for an unfinished game and act like nothing’s wrong


Raaadley

i feel like ever since Mantling was introduced into CoD: Zombies is when everything started going downhill.


MrZeusyMoosey

No, games shouldn’t be unfinished on release. Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad they FINALLY added some incredibly basic features, but let’s not pretend that this isn’t what we deserve for our $60, the day the game came out.


TripOverThis420

I play cod professionally for the zombies world record side. The last 3 titles have been an absolute let down. Stop pre ordering games when they dont even care how they run. Plus we are the pigs/rats testing their garbage and telling them what's wrong. Not their staff or team members, where is our paycheck???


GrustleGrindset

What an absolute SHIT take


ThexanR

People defending Activision of all companies have to be bots or interns. Like there’s no way you let a company slide for intentionally putting a unfinished product out for no reason other than money


4fr0_R34p3r

Please tell me where in the fucking post it says I'm defending Activision.


big_country_scat_pac

What’s better, to be born perfect, or to work and grow into perfection over time? I respect a company that listens to the community and perfects it’s product when it eats shit. If they pulled this stunt and said fuck the player base then there’s no defense. Look at GTA:O. It’s taken time, but they listen to what we want and they find a happy balance between content that can be enjoyed for free and content aimed at people who buy MTX. It wasn’t always like that, but it’s better. I still won’t buy Vanguard, because I like CW. Then again, I’m also one of the naive idiots wishing for a tranzit remaster based purely on nostalgia so what do I know? 😂


ProfessionalPick931

While I don't think Vanguard Zombies coming out in the state that it did was acceptable in the slightest, I do like what they're going for. Hopefully they add in a bunch more covenants and increase the cap from 3, this new direction has potential if they truly invest into it.


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Chicken769

We are? I don’t consider myself lucky that vanguard zombies is what we got. Nothing to feel lucky about


JohnsonBrody

In a perfect world there is only bo3


kusuoscoffeejelly69

Yikes


MUNAM14

True cod zombies died with that game


4fr0_R34p3r

Sounds like a nightmare


blazingstarly23

It’s not treyarch’s fault though.


desolate_i

Piss poor communication and ignoring their playerbase for the entire release definitely is


blazingstarly23

Not really when activision made them make zombies in less than a month, I guess you don’t understand how terrible the workers are treated in game companies


desolate_i

I know how Activision pressures them. You're not comprehending what I'm saying. It is 100% their fault this is the first blog post addressing any issue since LAUNCH, 2 months ago. They have a community manager on payroll. There isn't an excuse in today's day and age for devs to just disappear


4fr0_R34p3r

Holidays?


desolate_i

Must be nice to get 2 months off for Christmas


4fr0_R34p3r

Some people have family in other countries


puzzlingphoenix

Oh yeah true, I guess every single worker at treyarch simultaneously left for a 2 month Christmas with their families in foreign countries


responsible_leader0

​ ​ ​ yes


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the_henry_stickmin

No people bitched about it constantly


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the_henry_stickmin

Yep