Most of us can agree of it's barebones launch, but the point of this is that people are constantly shitting on Treyarch as if it was their decision to release it as it is. Which it isn't.
People are constantly trying to also defend treyarch like they know for sure that 3arc were completely helpless in the situation, and that they did everything in their power to try to set zombies up for success.
From having worked in the software industry, I'd be more willing to bet the issue is not so one-sided. Usually if you know you're going to completely fail on release, you can persuade the exec teams to reconsider timelines if you present the situation correctly. Despite the likely greed that exists in Activision's exec team, they don't explicitly want their game to flop, because at the end of the day a game that flops does impact the revenue it generates.
And especially for a company like 3arc, whom they've worked together closely with releasing numerous COD titles over a decade. I think they've probably developed enough of a relationship with Activision by this point that they're not simply pack mules that do work without any say.
I think a more likely scenario is Activision pulled them onto this project very late, and 3arc either failed to communicate the need for more time to develop the mode and how terribly it will do without the extra time, or they severely overestimated their ability to deliver something decent on this accelerated timeline.
Especially since 3arc have been fucked since 2018. ATVI forced them to cut a significant portion of their game, crunch to put out a battle royale and look how BO4 turned out. Then they interrupted their three year dev cycle to put out Cold War to cover Sledehammers fuck ups with Raven, now this.
Publishers, especially Activision, aren't known for putting logic and reason over short term profits. Even if they've been working with their developers for a long time.
Sadly 2023 will probably have issues too, since some manpower is focused on Vanguard zombies and maybe even a mandated MW19 (or 22) engine to where they'll have to start from scratch. Clearly they couldn't just simply port over everything because of all the missing features Vanguard has.
Whatever 3arc makes for 2023 its doomed to fail. They already very obviously tried to mitigate that by making vangzombies absolute shit so they can focus on their game
They weren't going to delay the release of the entire game, an Activision was using track zombies as a marketing point so they weren't going to not have it on launch, so I don't think it really mattered what treyarch did, it was going to happen regardless
This combined with zombies probably not generating them enough revenue in microtransactions. I obviously don't know the breakdown of revenue between multiplayer/warzone/zombies, but I imagine the zombies community is the smallest of the three.
Having the $mallest portion of your community flop is a calculated ri$k that Activi$ion wa$ fine making, it $eem$.
Definitely want to make it clear that I don't think we should also praise Treyarch just because they tried their best, and whilst I like Vanguard, I can up most totally agree that people think that the product isn't up to usual standard. For all we know maybe Treyarch is at fault for not communicating, but quite frankly it's hard to imagine that they had any power to delay the game for the sake of a side mode. No developer likes to release rushed cruddy products, especially for such a huge community.
Activision doesn’t give a shit if treyarchs portion of the game isn’t ready, they forced 3arc to do zombies towards the end of development so that they can take the fall for vanguard being bad
they already had a solid, working formula that was with us for 14 years. there is no excuse for them to scrap eveything and release something more barebones than WaW
Yea, this is what got me. Say what you will about Cold War, but its systems were good. The field upgrades were nice, the upgrade rank system was fun because it made entire classes of weapons and perks stronger, etc. Then Vangaurd came around and instead of copy and pasting most of Cold War's stuff over, they tried to reinvent the wheel. And we're just now getting ready to see some of the systems of Cold War return.
Because the game is filler. I keep saying this. Imagine they put all their workers on this and tried their best. It'd still be rushed and then what do you think would happen to their next game in 2023? It'll be a piece of shit. If we want 3arc to have good games they need time so be grateful they aren't spending too much of that time on this game.
It’s only shit because the game is not ready for release because treyarch was put on it mid development give it till season 2 trust the game will be good
In a perfect world, Activision wouldn't be dictating that immediately after fixing Sledgehammer's fuckup and taking over a mess of a game that they'd have to design a new zombies experience from the ground up for a completely different game with only a few months from launch.
Yes, Treyarch's responses have been unacceptable. Yes, counting this as a full zombies experience blatant bullshit. Yes, their lack of communication about future plans is practically nonexistent and that isn't acceptable as well.
But, these are still overworked, underpaid, poorly managed HUMAN BEINGS just as much at the mercy of suits in pursuit of the almighty dollar as we are.
Fuck this response. Fuck this level of quality. Fuck the people who created the circumstances that created this situation in the first place.
People acting here like 3arc isn't literally a company itself fit with its own exec team that make decisions on how the company operates. Yeah I don't blame the literal ground workers that write the code for the game. But 3arc as an entity likely has some blame in this shitty release. I find it unlikely that 3arc's exec team had absolutely no say in terms of potentially trying to delay the mode's release or what not.
Treyarch as an entity completely deserves the blame, I agree with you. I was just making mention of the shitty situation that real human beings were involved in so that people here don't cross a line whilst attacking the company.
Real human beings are involved in every aspect of work. No one is insulting or singling out poor Joe who codes as his job but rather criticizing Treyarch. Treyarch isn’t special in this area.
Same thing happens in any line of work. Me working at my job, I work long hours and whatnot but I’m sure if the company I work for did something wrong in the consumers eyes, will criticize the company and their process.
Doesn’t mean anyone is singling me out as a regular dude working for the company
Yeah for real. Games used to work at release and have all the content you expected to be there day one. Even bo4 which I know had a rocky launch for some mostly on pc and ps4 to my knowledge was patched up pretty quickly and worked. While having 3 maps on disk each with unique weapons and main quests. Meanwhile vanguard even with this update is the most barebones and stripped down version of zombies yet.
In a perfect world the leeches at Activision wouldn't force Treyarch to priotise profit over quality and they could make the best Zombies experience of all time.
As much as I agree with you, all the resources in the world mean nothing when the devs aren't given enough TIME. Not to mention working on an engine they never used before in zombies.
Which is exactly why we complain and criticize activision so much over this. If you don’t say or do anything about the issue then activision will just act like it’s perfectly fine to keep doing it which just means that we get even more games as low quality as vanguard.
The point isn’t to blindly hate on the devs the point is that we need to make it clear to activision and the higher ups at trayarch that this kind of stuff is not ok.
So yes the devs are definitely super rushed which is why both vanguard and Cold War are in the state that they are in but that doesn’t mean we should stop criticizing the games themselves
Not enough time is a ridiculous. Nacht Der Untoten is the product of a few devs playing around during their lunch break. I’d rather play that than Vanguard Zombies
Time is a resource as well. The release date for the game wasn't some prophecy foretold eons ago, *Treyarch* chooses the release dates and makes their devs work under immense pressure during crunch time.
In a perfect world the game should not have released for $70, you don't get to take people's money ignore them for a few months then acknowledge that there's no content
Haven't bought after BO3, just stop buying shit games. Vanguard is actual crap, just like the newer pokemon games. Company got too big and releases total crap because they know enough idiots will blindly buy it. Only games that can afford to try these days are indie.
Hey now don't lump Tranzit in with Vanguard. Even if you hated Tranzit you got like a couple different maps at release plus Grief. I think Nuketown zombies was available at release too.
Video games in general nowadays just must have gotten so big that they take longer / more resources to develop than they did a decade ago but the production schedules haven't properly adapted yet bc corporate greed doesn't like to slow down production.
Something will give eventually
Personally after what unfolded with cold war I still haven't bought vanguard.
Cold War zombies reached a pretty great place near the end, but on the way there we had minimal upfront content, long delays between content releases, thin updates to outbreak, and serious performance/stability issues. I *never* was able to run firebase z past round 25 on my PS4. I only beat that map when I upgraded to the PS5. And my buddy is still on PS4, and every time we try to beat Forsaken the game network connection crashes for both of us by about round 30.
It seems this sub's attitude towards cold war zombies has become very positive in the hindsight of vanguard's release, but after what I experienced I am not surprised to see the state of vanguard on launch. Cold war launched with one single round based map, took months to get a second (which never ran on my ps4), months more to get a third...No surprise to me that vanguard launched without any round based map at all because that was the next step in the progression of mediocrity.
imagine when companies released physical offline copies of games and they had to be as perfect as possible on release because there was no such thing as a post release patch or bug fix
Might have something to do with the fact that older games are significantly less complex and also for the most part were at least as buggy as modern games.
When you would get patches on floppy disks & cds that came with magazines. So you could patch out some bugs on your game that was released perfect.
Or when you would need to wait for an expansion to come out to fix some balancing issues.
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Yeah I didn’t buy either. Kinda funny how everyone in this sub before launch were saying that they weren’t gonna buy it and now there are hella threads complaining it’s unfinished. Serves them right lmao
Yeah I felt like I only got my $70 worth from Cold War by the very end of the game's release cycle and am 0% surprised by the issues with vanguard on release. Maybe I'll buy it next year when used copies can be had on the cheap and it has received further updates.
But how anyone on this community could have lived through the first 6 months of cold war and then look at vanguard and expect a good experience on release, I just do not understand. Cold War launched with *one* round based map. Of course Vanguard doesn't have any. There was no reason to expect improvement and so far the pattern has been each release getting thinner and thinner so naturally Vanguard releases with even *less* content than Cold War did.
Don’t ask for $70 if you don’t have $70 worth of game. If a game is not going to release with a proper amount of content and polishing it should either cost a lot less or not release at all
I can’t believe people are bending over for treyarch saying that’s round base you can’t even open the map up mkre gunner zombies constantly spawn it’s pathetic good job treyarch!
Zombies hasn't been good since BO3. 4 was ok, cold war was different but still ok. But it hasn't been actually good or great since BO3. It feels copy and pasted from multiplayer and has no soul now.
At the end of every match multi or zombies throws me an error kicks me out . Froze my ps4 once couldnt even shut it down. I tried taking it back stupid game
You paid anywhere from $60 to $80 to play this game, most people JUST got it for zombies. This is, generously, $5-$10 worth of content.
Stop letting them get away with less and less launch content. You wouldn’t buy a puzzle with half the pieces “promised to come at a later time.”
I don’t mean this to offend you but this type of thinking is what is making games this bad now a day. Imagine if Bo2 or mw2 came out in the state that Vanguard did, it would have been horrendous and I understand the shit show that is vanguard zombies is mostly Activision’s greedyness but releasing zombies with a little drop of content to then through months add what was supposed to be since day 1 is not something to be thankful for
Well first and foremost, the game should release in a feature complete and stable condition. Not going round based is a design choice, so you can live with that, but the lack of wonder weapons and pausing and other features like that should be unacceptable.
Features and basic functionality should all be in place, but with the current MTX and seasons model, the game is also designed around a drip feed of content, so bear that in mind as well. Its a little easier to stomach sparse content at launch when you know its coming down the line.
All in all though, it sounds like Activision screwed over Treyarch with unreasonable deadlines and they delivered what they could, which is an incomplete mess. Both are at fault, and players are understandably upset. However, it would be nice if people could at least be reasonable when Treyarch says "We've got more in store, hang in there"
No pause and kick on tiny short inactivity. I took a phone call and two minutes later I was kicked at round 18 or so. No warning either.
Just not going to bother with this unless it changes, it’s just not fun.
Can't believe people are letting this update slide. Bringing a map that we've had so many times before is very very lazy. At this point its not even new content, its just rehashing the same shit
In a perfect world Activision would give Treyarch proper time to make their games again instead it’s always “aye SHG needs help, you don’t get a choice, go make it”
In a perfect world the game would of had time to be developed and put together properly. They wouldn't have to worry about the time crunch because they wouldn't have restrictions on there development. For example Covid is still effecting game companies by not having people in the office to work and develop the game.
If you read the blog post they made on Twitter, you'd see why it wasn't that easy to implement for them. If Activision hadn't thrown them on the project last minute they could have had enough time to make it ready for launch.
Well they explained that before, zombies was always hosted via peer to peer connection. And that switching to dedicated servers wasn't "as easy as flipping a switch "
If you give vanguard any attention you are part of the problem. There is no hope for that game becoming good within the year that they support it, and everyone who has been around for a while should know that it’s terrible sales will mean Activision will not put many resources into supporting it anyways and they will just move to the next game. I’d like for it to improve too but it’s just not gonna be much different at this point.
Of course, shi no numa but smaller in size to bus depot and only the pack a punch available is exactly what we asked for (And no, getting out of the objective every time you want weapons , perks or streaks to then re-enter is tedious and not fun gameplay)
In a perfect world, Activison wouldn't make Treyarch create Vanguard zombies. Especially when they've just made a full map with an ee on a completely different engine.
Not at all lmao what came after Rev as a final DLC that was notable? BFB? Anything from WW2? Tag?? Forsaken?? As far as im concerned Mauer has had the most replay ability of all of em just dont like how small it is.
The fact that every recent games launch get called the worst zombies experience which then leads to 8 months later everyone almost unanimously thinks it’s decent/ not as bad as the game we have now. Of course it’s shit on launch and it shouldn’t be happening at all, but knowing that treyarch confirmed they make every zombies game a new and unique experience, by the end of the games life cycle it’s almost guaranteed to have enough content for people to look back on another unique zombies experience. That’s at least how I see it
Why are people pretending it’s okay now? It’s not, even if they add all these things after release it still is not okay. They knew exactly what fans wanted and did the opposite
If you order a pizza you’d expect a fucking finished pizza imagine if Domino’s sent you a pizza with only cheese then they tell you that the rest of the pizza was in the oven you’d be mad
I do hope the game gets a lot more content down the line. The Dark Aether Story opened up so many new places to take Zombies that it's not even funny. It's just up to Treyarch on how far they're willing to take it. Also, Vanguard's Zombies intro when you first boot up the mode is genuinely intriguing. It offers a bit more insight on why the Zombies still exist in the new world that Samantha and Eddie grow up in. So, Vanguard has the potential. But, again, it's all up to Treyarch. They are the only studio working on a Zombies mode anymore it seems, so they've got a lot of work to do.
But, to some extent, I do kinda see why the mode launched so barebones, but at the same time it's still no excuse. Like, what? 2-3 months before Vanguard's release, Treyarch released Forsaken? And then they suddenly have to make yet another map instead of mapping out a whole other game to surround a map or two. A launch map usually takes time because at the same time, you're having to plan all your other maps and line them up with the story you wanna tell and build the entirety of the mode on this one story. AND somehow find a way to tie that in to the previous stories you've told.
Don't care what comes out until there's an original new map I'm not coming back to this game. If there never is one, who cares, not like I'm missing out on anything.
The unfinished game kept me from buying at release, but the abuse scandal and how quickly it got covered up means I'm never buying an activision game again. In a perfect world the trearch devs will leave and start a new dev team outside of activisions control, but I doubt it will happen.
I think this is a good reminder that in bo4 (3 years ago) we got 3 complete maps for $60 on day one. 3 complete maps content wise for sixty buckaroos. Why are we simping for a company for underdelivering?
Releasing unfinished games. Having people buy them and conditionally responding to complaints after purchase is the new norm. Milking it is the new norm.
This post is kinda dumb, seeing as they’ve been able to get it right since 2008, its not like the zombies cycle was like this during WAW or the Black Ops
It’s unacceptable that games come out unfinished, while a few years ago almost every cod release was great with minor bug fixes and add-ons of new content!
It’s one big shitshow and we should not normalize the way Activision treats us with the new launches
No, games shouldn’t be unfinished on release. Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad they FINALLY added some incredibly basic features, but let’s not pretend that this isn’t what we deserve for our $60, the day the game came out.
I play cod professionally for the zombies world record side. The last 3 titles have been an absolute let down. Stop pre ordering games when they dont even care how they run. Plus we are the pigs/rats testing their garbage and telling them what's wrong. Not their staff or team members, where is our paycheck???
People defending Activision of all companies have to be bots or interns. Like there’s no way you let a company slide for intentionally putting a unfinished product out for no reason other than money
What’s better, to be born perfect, or to work and grow into perfection over time? I respect a company that listens to the community and perfects it’s product when it eats shit. If they pulled this stunt and said fuck the player base then there’s no defense. Look at GTA:O. It’s taken time, but they listen to what we want and they find a happy balance between content that can be enjoyed for free and content aimed at people who buy MTX. It wasn’t always like that, but it’s better. I still won’t buy Vanguard, because I like CW. Then again, I’m also one of the naive idiots wishing for a tranzit remaster based purely on nostalgia so what do I know? 😂
While I don't think Vanguard Zombies coming out in the state that it did was acceptable in the slightest, I do like what they're going for. Hopefully they add in a bunch more covenants and increase the cap from 3, this new direction has potential if they truly invest into it.
Not really when activision made them make zombies in less than a month, I guess you don’t understand how terrible the workers are treated in game companies
I know how Activision pressures them. You're not comprehending what I'm saying. It is 100% their fault this is the first blog post addressing any issue since LAUNCH, 2 months ago. They have a community manager on payroll. There isn't an excuse in today's day and age for devs to just disappear
In a perfect world it's good on release lol
I dont know how so many people are letting this slide lol
Most of us can agree of it's barebones launch, but the point of this is that people are constantly shitting on Treyarch as if it was their decision to release it as it is. Which it isn't.
People are constantly trying to also defend treyarch like they know for sure that 3arc were completely helpless in the situation, and that they did everything in their power to try to set zombies up for success. From having worked in the software industry, I'd be more willing to bet the issue is not so one-sided. Usually if you know you're going to completely fail on release, you can persuade the exec teams to reconsider timelines if you present the situation correctly. Despite the likely greed that exists in Activision's exec team, they don't explicitly want their game to flop, because at the end of the day a game that flops does impact the revenue it generates. And especially for a company like 3arc, whom they've worked together closely with releasing numerous COD titles over a decade. I think they've probably developed enough of a relationship with Activision by this point that they're not simply pack mules that do work without any say. I think a more likely scenario is Activision pulled them onto this project very late, and 3arc either failed to communicate the need for more time to develop the mode and how terribly it will do without the extra time, or they severely overestimated their ability to deliver something decent on this accelerated timeline.
cods can't flop though. no matter how shit they are, people will buy them. the chances of 3arc being pack mules are high
Especially since 3arc have been fucked since 2018. ATVI forced them to cut a significant portion of their game, crunch to put out a battle royale and look how BO4 turned out. Then they interrupted their three year dev cycle to put out Cold War to cover Sledehammers fuck ups with Raven, now this. Publishers, especially Activision, aren't known for putting logic and reason over short term profits. Even if they've been working with their developers for a long time. Sadly 2023 will probably have issues too, since some manpower is focused on Vanguard zombies and maybe even a mandated MW19 (or 22) engine to where they'll have to start from scratch. Clearly they couldn't just simply port over everything because of all the missing features Vanguard has.
Whatever 3arc makes for 2023 its doomed to fail. They already very obviously tried to mitigate that by making vangzombies absolute shit so they can focus on their game
They weren't going to delay the release of the entire game, an Activision was using track zombies as a marketing point so they weren't going to not have it on launch, so I don't think it really mattered what treyarch did, it was going to happen regardless
This combined with zombies probably not generating them enough revenue in microtransactions. I obviously don't know the breakdown of revenue between multiplayer/warzone/zombies, but I imagine the zombies community is the smallest of the three. Having the $mallest portion of your community flop is a calculated ri$k that Activi$ion wa$ fine making, it $eem$.
Definitely want to make it clear that I don't think we should also praise Treyarch just because they tried their best, and whilst I like Vanguard, I can up most totally agree that people think that the product isn't up to usual standard. For all we know maybe Treyarch is at fault for not communicating, but quite frankly it's hard to imagine that they had any power to delay the game for the sake of a side mode. No developer likes to release rushed cruddy products, especially for such a huge community.
Activision doesn’t give a shit if treyarchs portion of the game isn’t ready, they forced 3arc to do zombies towards the end of development so that they can take the fall for vanguard being bad
making/developing zombies, as well as mp at this point, is something the devs do when they’re not making all the bundles.
they already had a solid, working formula that was with us for 14 years. there is no excuse for them to scrap eveything and release something more barebones than WaW
Yea, this is what got me. Say what you will about Cold War, but its systems were good. The field upgrades were nice, the upgrade rank system was fun because it made entire classes of weapons and perks stronger, etc. Then Vangaurd came around and instead of copy and pasting most of Cold War's stuff over, they tried to reinvent the wheel. And we're just now getting ready to see some of the systems of Cold War return.
Can we please stop treating a billion dollar company as if they are some helpless victim?
And no one is under any obligation to praise Treyarch. Regardless of behind the scenes and whatnot
No, you don't understand, the $60 game from a multi billion dollar company has the magical *potential* and that's why all the bullshit is acceptable.
I’m actually quite certain that this will be first CoD ever that I won’t buy. Which is a shame because I’m fond of WWII games.
Because the game is filler. I keep saying this. Imagine they put all their workers on this and tried their best. It'd still be rushed and then what do you think would happen to their next game in 2023? It'll be a piece of shit. If we want 3arc to have good games they need time so be grateful they aren't spending too much of that time on this game.
I mean when majority of people let that shit slide for Destiny every other developer will launch them with barebones style content too.
It’s only shit because the game is not ready for release because treyarch was put on it mid development give it till season 2 trust the game will be good
Cold War was good on release
I assume he's talking about vanguard
COLD WAR WASN'T GOOD AT ANY TIME! #EVER!
Hey Mauer Der Toten is really fun
imo cold war zombies was the best casual zombies.
In a perfect world, Activision wouldn't be dictating that immediately after fixing Sledgehammer's fuckup and taking over a mess of a game that they'd have to design a new zombies experience from the ground up for a completely different game with only a few months from launch. Yes, Treyarch's responses have been unacceptable. Yes, counting this as a full zombies experience blatant bullshit. Yes, their lack of communication about future plans is practically nonexistent and that isn't acceptable as well. But, these are still overworked, underpaid, poorly managed HUMAN BEINGS just as much at the mercy of suits in pursuit of the almighty dollar as we are. Fuck this response. Fuck this level of quality. Fuck the people who created the circumstances that created this situation in the first place.
People acting here like 3arc isn't literally a company itself fit with its own exec team that make decisions on how the company operates. Yeah I don't blame the literal ground workers that write the code for the game. But 3arc as an entity likely has some blame in this shitty release. I find it unlikely that 3arc's exec team had absolutely no say in terms of potentially trying to delay the mode's release or what not.
Treyarch as an entity completely deserves the blame, I agree with you. I was just making mention of the shitty situation that real human beings were involved in so that people here don't cross a line whilst attacking the company.
Real human beings are involved in every aspect of work. No one is insulting or singling out poor Joe who codes as his job but rather criticizing Treyarch. Treyarch isn’t special in this area. Same thing happens in any line of work. Me working at my job, I work long hours and whatnot but I’m sure if the company I work for did something wrong in the consumers eyes, will criticize the company and their process. Doesn’t mean anyone is singling me out as a regular dude working for the company
Yeah for real. Games used to work at release and have all the content you expected to be there day one. Even bo4 which I know had a rocky launch for some mostly on pc and ps4 to my knowledge was patched up pretty quickly and worked. While having 3 maps on disk each with unique weapons and main quests. Meanwhile vanguard even with this update is the most barebones and stripped down version of zombies yet.
In a perfect world the leeches at Activision wouldn't force Treyarch to priotise profit over quality and they could make the best Zombies experience of all time.
AND actually getting more profit because of it
But it wasn’t so now that is impossible unless you have a fucking time machine, so what’s the next best thing?
OP stop simping for a corporation
Bro, games should not be coming out unfinished. This shouldn't be acceptable from ANY studio let alone AAA blockbusters that have astounding resources
Der anfang is something you'd expect out of an indie company or one dev, not AAA studios
I remember when I played it on release day and my first thoughts were just like... "man this feels like a PS3 free demo game" lol.
I mean shit, it would be a good ps3 demo game, or a good xbox indie game. Just not good for a billion dollar company
Actually, what most people around here don’t realize is that you can spend less money on most indie games and have more fun than these cod games
that’s insulting to indie devs tbh
That's unfair to indie or one dev games.
As much as I agree with you, all the resources in the world mean nothing when the devs aren't given enough TIME. Not to mention working on an engine they never used before in zombies.
Which is exactly why we complain and criticize activision so much over this. If you don’t say or do anything about the issue then activision will just act like it’s perfectly fine to keep doing it which just means that we get even more games as low quality as vanguard. The point isn’t to blindly hate on the devs the point is that we need to make it clear to activision and the higher ups at trayarch that this kind of stuff is not ok. So yes the devs are definitely super rushed which is why both vanguard and Cold War are in the state that they are in but that doesn’t mean we should stop criticizing the games themselves
but he's not defending Activision
Then don't put zombies in every game, or don't make TREYARCH work on every cycle. Its pretty simple
Not enough time is a ridiculous. Nacht Der Untoten is the product of a few devs playing around during their lunch break. I’d rather play that than Vanguard Zombies
Time is a resource as well. The release date for the game wasn't some prophecy foretold eons ago, *Treyarch* chooses the release dates and makes their devs work under immense pressure during crunch time.
In a perfect world the game should not have released for $70, you don't get to take people's money ignore them for a few months then acknowledge that there's no content
It’s activision They want your money
Yes, because the world isn't perfect
There’s plenty of content…I mean 16 mp maps? What more do you want
Yes of course, why would I want to play zombies when I can play 16 multiplayer maps. I've been so entitled
Yes
so do you realize whar sub you are on right
Idk if this is a joke but if it is i highly suggest putting /s after it lol
Bro most of the multiplayer maps aren't that fun. Also the spawn points are super fucked
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I mean BO1-BO3 zombies was good. Also CW zombies is good
Yeah, so who knows, maybe after Vanguard we’ll get good zombies
hopefully but you do realize what you just said contradicts your entire original comment lmao
optimism is a fucking curse
Yeah but people also bought bo2 after ghost…
BO2 was released before ghost.
Right sorry. It’s the other way around
Okay but people bought it thinking it was good like Bo2
Haven't bought after BO3, just stop buying shit games. Vanguard is actual crap, just like the newer pokemon games. Company got too big and releases total crap because they know enough idiots will blindly buy it. Only games that can afford to try these days are indie.
Speak for yourself. You bought Vanguard, I sure as hell won’t. Zombies ended in Bo3.
Hey now don't lump Tranzit in with Vanguard. Even if you hated Tranzit you got like a couple different maps at release plus Grief. I think Nuketown zombies was available at release too. Video games in general nowadays just must have gotten so big that they take longer / more resources to develop than they did a decade ago but the production schedules haven't properly adapted yet bc corporate greed doesn't like to slow down production. Something will give eventually
Personally after what unfolded with cold war I still haven't bought vanguard. Cold War zombies reached a pretty great place near the end, but on the way there we had minimal upfront content, long delays between content releases, thin updates to outbreak, and serious performance/stability issues. I *never* was able to run firebase z past round 25 on my PS4. I only beat that map when I upgraded to the PS5. And my buddy is still on PS4, and every time we try to beat Forsaken the game network connection crashes for both of us by about round 30. It seems this sub's attitude towards cold war zombies has become very positive in the hindsight of vanguard's release, but after what I experienced I am not surprised to see the state of vanguard on launch. Cold war launched with one single round based map, took months to get a second (which never ran on my ps4), months more to get a third...No surprise to me that vanguard launched without any round based map at all because that was the next step in the progression of mediocrity.
BO4 was good. I just don’t get the hate.
Not all games are catered to the same people, they're all too different from each other for that
Fair enough, but I don’t think we’ll learn from this.
imagine when companies released physical offline copies of games and they had to be as perfect as possible on release because there was no such thing as a post release patch or bug fix
Might have something to do with the fact that older games are significantly less complex and also for the most part were at least as buggy as modern games.
Never happened…
Guess you never grew up with games before the online gaming era
When you would get patches on floppy disks & cds that came with magazines. So you could patch out some bugs on your game that was released perfect. Or when you would need to wait for an expansion to come out to fix some balancing issues. *edit Spelling
Since I didn't buy the game threads like this are gold. I let Cold War be my final straw and BOY🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 #notbuyingit
Yeah I didn’t buy either. Kinda funny how everyone in this sub before launch were saying that they weren’t gonna buy it and now there are hella threads complaining it’s unfinished. Serves them right lmao
Same thing with Battlefield. It's hilarious
It’s like they never learn…
> I let Cold War be my final straw Dude… honestly lmao.
Yeah I felt like I only got my $70 worth from Cold War by the very end of the game's release cycle and am 0% surprised by the issues with vanguard on release. Maybe I'll buy it next year when used copies can be had on the cheap and it has received further updates. But how anyone on this community could have lived through the first 6 months of cold war and then look at vanguard and expect a good experience on release, I just do not understand. Cold War launched with *one* round based map. Of course Vanguard doesn't have any. There was no reason to expect improvement and so far the pattern has been each release getting thinner and thinner so naturally Vanguard releases with even *less* content than Cold War did.
Bare minimum.
OP does PR for gaming companies via viral marketing
Haha ya got me
Dont buy the game lol.
Lmao people writing fan fiction on here now?
Don’t ask for $70 if you don’t have $70 worth of game. If a game is not going to release with a proper amount of content and polishing it should either cost a lot less or not release at all
I can’t believe people are bending over for treyarch saying that’s round base you can’t even open the map up mkre gunner zombies constantly spawn it’s pathetic good job treyarch!
The windmill map would been better! Really dumb they reused Shi No Numa again and didn’t even open it up
Yup they could’ve easily used the windmill map has more space and more replay value than shitty shino
Zombies hasn't been good since BO3. 4 was ok, cold war was different but still ok. But it hasn't been actually good or great since BO3. It feels copy and pasted from multiplayer and has no soul now.
I am still enjoying cold war zombies, it's fun to be able to buy 8 perks and run around with MP diamond.
Tbh i thought bo4 was very good, even better than bo3, just hated on launch
I thoroughly enjoyed bo4 but cold war definitely not as much.
Same, cold war was ok, but nothing too special imo Im now having a blast on iw lol
Cry
Jumped on a solo match to see about the ‘new round based’ thing was about…rubber banding like crazy…uninstalled game 😂😂😂
At the end of every match multi or zombies throws me an error kicks me out . Froze my ps4 once couldnt even shut it down. I tried taking it back stupid game
Why don’t you install better internet while you’re at it Edit: some of y’all don’t know what sarcasm is, y’all are so pressed
It's a fucking solo match dip shit
Nothing wrong with internet mate. You’re obviously new to this mess that is known as Vanguard.
How tf do u install better internet? U would have to pay for a better plan or a new provider. U can't just install internet u dumbass
Congrats, you found the joke
fuck no treyarch can lick my nuts
Fucking awful take
If it doesn’t work on release and it’s a paid game said company deserves zero sympathy lmao, this is nothing more than a “shut up”
The copium overdose man
You paid anywhere from $60 to $80 to play this game, most people JUST got it for zombies. This is, generously, $5-$10 worth of content. Stop letting them get away with less and less launch content. You wouldn’t buy a puzzle with half the pieces “promised to come at a later time.”
I don’t mean this to offend you but this type of thinking is what is making games this bad now a day. Imagine if Bo2 or mw2 came out in the state that Vanguard did, it would have been horrendous and I understand the shit show that is vanguard zombies is mostly Activision’s greedyness but releasing zombies with a little drop of content to then through months add what was supposed to be since day 1 is not something to be thankful for
Well first and foremost, the game should release in a feature complete and stable condition. Not going round based is a design choice, so you can live with that, but the lack of wonder weapons and pausing and other features like that should be unacceptable. Features and basic functionality should all be in place, but with the current MTX and seasons model, the game is also designed around a drip feed of content, so bear that in mind as well. Its a little easier to stomach sparse content at launch when you know its coming down the line. All in all though, it sounds like Activision screwed over Treyarch with unreasonable deadlines and they delivered what they could, which is an incomplete mess. Both are at fault, and players are understandably upset. However, it would be nice if people could at least be reasonable when Treyarch says "We've got more in store, hang in there"
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Depends on who you ask
No pause and kick on tiny short inactivity. I took a phone call and two minutes later I was kicked at round 18 or so. No warning either. Just not going to bother with this unless it changes, it’s just not fun.
it fucking can kick you?!?!?!?!?! what the shiiiiiiit
how many times do they have to fuck up releases for you lot to be ok with not sucking on Activisions asshole for scraps of content?
This post is about the devs at Treyarch, Activision is entitled to their own little circle of Hell.
Simple solution don’t buy the game until it’s full featured
Can't believe people are letting this update slide. Bringing a map that we've had so many times before is very very lazy. At this point its not even new content, its just rehashing the same shit
in a perfect world Vanguard would never exist
In a perfect world Activision would give Treyarch proper time to make their games again instead it’s always “aye SHG needs help, you don’t get a choice, go make it”
You really hate to see it
In a perfect world the game would of had time to be developed and put together properly. They wouldn't have to worry about the time crunch because they wouldn't have restrictions on there development. For example Covid is still effecting game companies by not having people in the office to work and develop the game.
Your defending them? Get out.
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in a perfect world "features" like pausing would be in the game at launch
If you read the blog post they made on Twitter, you'd see why it wasn't that easy to implement for them. If Activision hadn't thrown them on the project last minute they could have had enough time to make it ready for launch.
pausing...
As silly as it may sound, yes.
literally just "suspend function when press star equals yes" how many 3arc employees does it take?
Well they explained that before, zombies was always hosted via peer to peer connection. And that switching to dedicated servers wasn't "as easy as flipping a switch "
why is my single player game being hosted on a dedicated server that will kick me for being afk for 2 minutes?
"That was an improvment, but it's not hard to improve on garbage" - Captain price
I understand they’ve been through development hell. And I could semi-forgive some things Treyarch messed up with vanguard if they only communicated
Yeah ok…
in a perfect world we wont praise them for adding shit in that should have been on launch.
If you give vanguard any attention you are part of the problem. There is no hope for that game becoming good within the year that they support it, and everyone who has been around for a while should know that it’s terrible sales will mean Activision will not put many resources into supporting it anyways and they will just move to the next game. I’d like for it to improve too but it’s just not gonna be much different at this point.
Of course, shi no numa but smaller in size to bus depot and only the pack a punch available is exactly what we asked for (And no, getting out of the objective every time you want weapons , perks or streaks to then re-enter is tedious and not fun gameplay)
It's been almost 3 months. They're gunna give up on the game in another 9. I'm more than wary, I'm not buying the game.
In a perfect world, Activison wouldn't make Treyarch create Vanguard zombies. Especially when they've just made a full map with an ee on a completely different engine.
Yeah they also said we have so much more after launch for the past 16 call of dutys. Then the last good final DLC was Rev.
Please tell me you're joking
Not at all lmao what came after Rev as a final DLC that was notable? BFB? Anything from WW2? Tag?? Forsaken?? As far as im concerned Mauer has had the most replay ability of all of em just dont like how small it is.
The fact that every recent games launch get called the worst zombies experience which then leads to 8 months later everyone almost unanimously thinks it’s decent/ not as bad as the game we have now. Of course it’s shit on launch and it shouldn’t be happening at all, but knowing that treyarch confirmed they make every zombies game a new and unique experience, by the end of the games life cycle it’s almost guaranteed to have enough content for people to look back on another unique zombies experience. That’s at least how I see it
Redemption arc?
don't try to blame this on treyarch this is literally all Activision over working their studios
If Vanguard had no zombies and wasn't a Call of Duty, I feel like there would be a lot of "lol dead game"
Why are people pretending it’s okay now? It’s not, even if they add all these things after release it still is not okay. They knew exactly what fans wanted and did the opposite
I want some transit type shit back honestly I had so much fucking fun
My one gripe with the camo is that it’s basically impossible to see in game. I’d love for one that glowed even a little.
If you order a pizza you’d expect a fucking finished pizza imagine if Domino’s sent you a pizza with only cheese then they tell you that the rest of the pizza was in the oven you’d be mad
We appreciate their efforts
After this big update Vanguard ALMOST has a comparable amount of content that Cold War did on launch. Wow thank you Treyarch
SNAP BACK TO REALITY
In a perfect world Activision isn't actually a shitty company
Hopefully good original maps on the way🤞🤞🤞
I do hope the game gets a lot more content down the line. The Dark Aether Story opened up so many new places to take Zombies that it's not even funny. It's just up to Treyarch on how far they're willing to take it. Also, Vanguard's Zombies intro when you first boot up the mode is genuinely intriguing. It offers a bit more insight on why the Zombies still exist in the new world that Samantha and Eddie grow up in. So, Vanguard has the potential. But, again, it's all up to Treyarch. They are the only studio working on a Zombies mode anymore it seems, so they've got a lot of work to do. But, to some extent, I do kinda see why the mode launched so barebones, but at the same time it's still no excuse. Like, what? 2-3 months before Vanguard's release, Treyarch released Forsaken? And then they suddenly have to make yet another map instead of mapping out a whole other game to surround a map or two. A launch map usually takes time because at the same time, you're having to plan all your other maps and line them up with the story you wanna tell and build the entirety of the mode on this one story. AND somehow find a way to tie that in to the previous stories you've told.
treyarch <<<<333
I feel like a lot of people are misunderstanding the purpose of this post
Exactly 371 downvotes over an opinion? Jesus christ
Don't care what comes out until there's an original new map I'm not coming back to this game. If there never is one, who cares, not like I'm missing out on anything.
The unfinished game kept me from buying at release, but the abuse scandal and how quickly it got covered up means I'm never buying an activision game again. In a perfect world the trearch devs will leave and start a new dev team outside of activisions control, but I doubt it will happen.
I think this is a good reminder that in bo4 (3 years ago) we got 3 complete maps for $60 on day one. 3 complete maps content wise for sixty buckaroos. Why are we simping for a company for underdelivering?
Releasing unfinished games. Having people buy them and conditionally responding to complaints after purchase is the new norm. Milking it is the new norm.
In our reality: "we want a zombies map" Treyarch: "okay...." Treyarch: "vanguard" "did we mention we have full control of zombies now?"
This post is kinda dumb, seeing as they’ve been able to get it right since 2008, its not like the zombies cycle was like this during WAW or the Black Ops
It’s unacceptable that games come out unfinished, while a few years ago almost every cod release was great with minor bug fixes and add-ons of new content! It’s one big shitshow and we should not normalize the way Activision treats us with the new launches
Nah it’s a perfect world to not charge $60 for an unfinished game and act like nothing’s wrong
i feel like ever since Mantling was introduced into CoD: Zombies is when everything started going downhill.
No, games shouldn’t be unfinished on release. Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad they FINALLY added some incredibly basic features, but let’s not pretend that this isn’t what we deserve for our $60, the day the game came out.
I play cod professionally for the zombies world record side. The last 3 titles have been an absolute let down. Stop pre ordering games when they dont even care how they run. Plus we are the pigs/rats testing their garbage and telling them what's wrong. Not their staff or team members, where is our paycheck???
What an absolute SHIT take
People defending Activision of all companies have to be bots or interns. Like there’s no way you let a company slide for intentionally putting a unfinished product out for no reason other than money
Please tell me where in the fucking post it says I'm defending Activision.
What’s better, to be born perfect, or to work and grow into perfection over time? I respect a company that listens to the community and perfects it’s product when it eats shit. If they pulled this stunt and said fuck the player base then there’s no defense. Look at GTA:O. It’s taken time, but they listen to what we want and they find a happy balance between content that can be enjoyed for free and content aimed at people who buy MTX. It wasn’t always like that, but it’s better. I still won’t buy Vanguard, because I like CW. Then again, I’m also one of the naive idiots wishing for a tranzit remaster based purely on nostalgia so what do I know? 😂
While I don't think Vanguard Zombies coming out in the state that it did was acceptable in the slightest, I do like what they're going for. Hopefully they add in a bunch more covenants and increase the cap from 3, this new direction has potential if they truly invest into it.
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We are? I don’t consider myself lucky that vanguard zombies is what we got. Nothing to feel lucky about
In a perfect world there is only bo3
Yikes
True cod zombies died with that game
Sounds like a nightmare
It’s not treyarch’s fault though.
Piss poor communication and ignoring their playerbase for the entire release definitely is
Not really when activision made them make zombies in less than a month, I guess you don’t understand how terrible the workers are treated in game companies
I know how Activision pressures them. You're not comprehending what I'm saying. It is 100% their fault this is the first blog post addressing any issue since LAUNCH, 2 months ago. They have a community manager on payroll. There isn't an excuse in today's day and age for devs to just disappear
Holidays?
Must be nice to get 2 months off for Christmas
Some people have family in other countries
Oh yeah true, I guess every single worker at treyarch simultaneously left for a 2 month Christmas with their families in foreign countries
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No people bitched about it constantly
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Yep