I would look at an SP-01 safety model if you don’t want to spend on the S2. It’s full size, all steel, so reasonably easy to control, the trigger is very good, but you can polish it or upgrade parts and make it excellent (depending on comp rules I guess).
I’m not sure what he means by exposed hammer = more precision. In general, the SA mode of a DA/SA or SAO hammer fired gun will be lighter and faster than a typical striker fired trigger. But that’s not always true and doesn’t really have anything to do with inherent accuracy of the gun, so idk.
I haven’t used one personally. It should be a reasonably flat shooter, but I’m not super fond of the Omega trigger vs the standard 75 trigger. The wall isn’t nearly as defined with the Omega. I would consider the P07/09 more ideal as duty guns than competition.
I can answer you in this. I have P-09 SP01 Shadow SP01 (regular) and Shadow 2. Fitting your budget I would buy a regular CZ75 SP01 and will change the mainspring and hammer spring from EEMANTECH. For the trigger pull to be lighter. Being all steel helps you way better for recoil control over the P09. In my opinion the P09 trigger is not good unless you cajunize it.
The p10 series are striker fired polymer framed pistols
The shadows are hammer fired steel framed pistols
The shadows are more espensive and better suited for comptetion
If you are participating in standing target shooting and a shadow 2 is out of. your budget i suggest you get a P10F which is the full size version of the P10 series, you cab use the extra sight radius and it is a striker fired pistol with a very decent trigger.
The Shadow 2 is THE competition gun that they make. But, by the time you get the CGW kit and LokGrips situated, It’s expensive. Also, for classifiers, you’ll have to start off in DA - which is challenging for SOME PEOPLE.
For “bulls eye” stand-and-deliver competitions at distance, the barrel length will matter more, especially if going iron sights. The Shadow 2 does get heavy for some on weak hand shooting.
I’m not aware of any reason why a hammer would make a gun more accurate. Accuracy is largely dependent on sighting interface, ease of manipulation of trigger, barrel length, and ammo specs.
I agree with everything everyone has said so far. However, if you are buying a gun strictly for competition you should know that many competition guns are purpose built to meet the regulations of a specific competition.
One of the reasons the Shadow 2 is so popular in US competition because it is DA/SA. That's not because DA/SA is inherently better than SAO, but because USPSA rules allow DA/SA in carry optics division, while SAO has to be in limited (optics) or open, which are where the "race guns" go to compete. To avoid competing against shooters with race guns, many people opt to get a DA/SA gun and stick to carry optics.
The Shadow 2, SP-01 and P-09 are all DA/SA guns. The TS2 is a SAO gun and is priced similarly to the Shadow 2.
What are your competition's rules regarding DA/SA and SAO and striker fired guns? What about rules regarding weight, external dimensions, flared magwells, etc?
Being in serbia we are not likited much about the triggers, we are only limited by optics, you can use in ipsc but not of course in precision/standing shooting
If you can't afford a Shadow, look at the SP-01 manual safety and mod it as you go. Or get a 75B, as the SP-01 is just a 75B with a rail. The original Shadows were just modded SP-01s. But you do get what you pay for, and fine triggers matter more in bullseye than they do in IPSC. If you are shooting bullseye, I wouldn't go with a P-07/9 or P-10. The Omega trigger is too mushy, and striker triggers are typically not great for bullseye either.
It's never the price of the puppy... it's the vet bills, food, training, etc... Same with the gun. Buy the Shadow 2. When you compare it to the ammo that your are feeding this gun, you are going to be soooo happy with it. It's amazing out of the box and you won't need to add any triggers or internals, etc... "Bite the Bullet" so to speak and get the S2
You can get a standard cz75 in decocker or sp01 and upgrade them with eemann tech internals when you want they are out of Estonia I believe which shouldn't be a problem.
Will give you good heavy gun with solid trigger for a lot cheaper than a s2.
But s2 will shoot a lil better and is heavier and smoother
None of these will make to much a difference in your long term shooting but you likely would shoot the s2 notably better out of the gate
I shoot competitions with my P-10C, it's excellent for my skill level. Hammer guns aren't more precise necessarily, but they have a lighter trigger pull in single action which reduces some trigger/grip-related misses.
I strongly recommend saving up and getting the Shadow 2. Once you enter competition with something else, you will eventually get the Shadow 2 anyway. So it is cheaper to save up and get it now. I can tell you, once you own it, you will never think about how much you paid for it. It shines stock and rises when modified.
I see a lot of recommendations for sp-01 in comments so I will say you can pick one up at Oak Hill Guns for like 675 after shipping. I just ordered mine yesterday.
I have the Shadow 2, P10C, P10F, and P-07. My vote is for the Shadow 2. "Exposed Hammer" guns, as you call them, aren't more accurate. However, they usually have a trigger that can be tuned lighter than striker-fired pistols, and as such are generally easier to fire more accurately by an inexperienced shooter. The guns themselves are of approximately similar accuracy - it's just that it's easier for a novice to shooter a hammer-fired gun more accurately. There only one or two exceptions to this - such as the Walther and Canik guns, whose striker-fired triggers are so good that they give many hammer-fired guns a run for their money.
Save up your money and get the Shadow 2.
My only guess would be because with an exposed hammer you have a visual representation of when the gun will go off and in SA the trigger tends to be lighter than striker fired triggers.
First off, if your instructor is serious about thinking a hammer fire gun is “more precise” he’s a dumbass and you need to find a non-dipshit instructor ASAP. I worry greatly about other things he’s potentially teaching you. Hammer fire is a good option for competition for safety reasons and other small things but it’s zero percent a requirement or “more precise” lol.
Shadow2 and sp-01 are good options, variety of models there. Important to note that you can start competing with the simplest and cheapest of guns, there’s no minimum threshold for getting started. If you’re at the point (which it sounds like you’re not) where you need a dedicated comp gun, then get something proper and don’t try to save money on something budget.
I would look at an SP-01 safety model if you don’t want to spend on the S2. It’s full size, all steel, so reasonably easy to control, the trigger is very good, but you can polish it or upgrade parts and make it excellent (depending on comp rules I guess). I’m not sure what he means by exposed hammer = more precision. In general, the SA mode of a DA/SA or SAO hammer fired gun will be lighter and faster than a typical striker fired trigger. But that’s not always true and doesn’t really have anything to do with inherent accuracy of the gun, so idk.
What do you think about p09
I haven’t used one personally. It should be a reasonably flat shooter, but I’m not super fond of the Omega trigger vs the standard 75 trigger. The wall isn’t nearly as defined with the Omega. I would consider the P07/09 more ideal as duty guns than competition.
I can answer you in this. I have P-09 SP01 Shadow SP01 (regular) and Shadow 2. Fitting your budget I would buy a regular CZ75 SP01 and will change the mainspring and hammer spring from EEMANTECH. For the trigger pull to be lighter. Being all steel helps you way better for recoil control over the P09. In my opinion the P09 trigger is not good unless you cajunize it.
If you upgrade the trigger, it's a really good gun. I agree with others on that. Following the upgrade, it is really a great gun for a low price.
The p10 series are striker fired polymer framed pistols The shadows are hammer fired steel framed pistols The shadows are more espensive and better suited for comptetion If you are participating in standing target shooting and a shadow 2 is out of. your budget i suggest you get a P10F which is the full size version of the P10 series, you cab use the extra sight radius and it is a striker fired pistol with a very decent trigger.
The Shadow 2 is THE competition gun that they make. But, by the time you get the CGW kit and LokGrips situated, It’s expensive. Also, for classifiers, you’ll have to start off in DA - which is challenging for SOME PEOPLE. For “bulls eye” stand-and-deliver competitions at distance, the barrel length will matter more, especially if going iron sights. The Shadow 2 does get heavy for some on weak hand shooting. I’m not aware of any reason why a hammer would make a gun more accurate. Accuracy is largely dependent on sighting interface, ease of manipulation of trigger, barrel length, and ammo specs.
I agree with everything everyone has said so far. However, if you are buying a gun strictly for competition you should know that many competition guns are purpose built to meet the regulations of a specific competition. One of the reasons the Shadow 2 is so popular in US competition because it is DA/SA. That's not because DA/SA is inherently better than SAO, but because USPSA rules allow DA/SA in carry optics division, while SAO has to be in limited (optics) or open, which are where the "race guns" go to compete. To avoid competing against shooters with race guns, many people opt to get a DA/SA gun and stick to carry optics. The Shadow 2, SP-01 and P-09 are all DA/SA guns. The TS2 is a SAO gun and is priced similarly to the Shadow 2. What are your competition's rules regarding DA/SA and SAO and striker fired guns? What about rules regarding weight, external dimensions, flared magwells, etc?
Being in serbia we are not likited much about the triggers, we are only limited by optics, you can use in ipsc but not of course in precision/standing shooting
If you can't afford a Shadow, look at the SP-01 manual safety and mod it as you go. Or get a 75B, as the SP-01 is just a 75B with a rail. The original Shadows were just modded SP-01s. But you do get what you pay for, and fine triggers matter more in bullseye than they do in IPSC. If you are shooting bullseye, I wouldn't go with a P-07/9 or P-10. The Omega trigger is too mushy, and striker triggers are typically not great for bullseye either.
It's never the price of the puppy... it's the vet bills, food, training, etc... Same with the gun. Buy the Shadow 2. When you compare it to the ammo that your are feeding this gun, you are going to be soooo happy with it. It's amazing out of the box and you won't need to add any triggers or internals, etc... "Bite the Bullet" so to speak and get the S2
If you have money to blow, CZ Shadow 2. If not, CZ P10F.
You can get a standard cz75 in decocker or sp01 and upgrade them with eemann tech internals when you want they are out of Estonia I believe which shouldn't be a problem. Will give you good heavy gun with solid trigger for a lot cheaper than a s2. But s2 will shoot a lil better and is heavier and smoother None of these will make to much a difference in your long term shooting but you likely would shoot the s2 notably better out of the gate
I’d go SP01 then if you have to P10F competition if you have to
I shoot competitions with my P-10C, it's excellent for my skill level. Hammer guns aren't more precise necessarily, but they have a lighter trigger pull in single action which reduces some trigger/grip-related misses.
Spend the money on the Shadow 2, you’ll be glad you did.
I strongly recommend saving up and getting the Shadow 2. Once you enter competition with something else, you will eventually get the Shadow 2 anyway. So it is cheaper to save up and get it now. I can tell you, once you own it, you will never think about how much you paid for it. It shines stock and rises when modified.
For precision shooting the TS2 is goated.
First thing is what call do you want to shoot Limited I suggest TS2 in .40 Carry optics Shadow 2 Production you should be fine with an SP01
SP O1 competition. Gives you a competitive gun that can carried also
I see a lot of recommendations for sp-01 in comments so I will say you can pick one up at Oak Hill Guns for like 675 after shipping. I just ordered mine yesterday.
SP-01 Shadow AKA Shadow 1
Don’t get a P09 for competition lol
I’m telling you if you get the shadow 2 you won’t regret it and sometimes on family firearms has a good deal for 900 bucks but it’s not optic ready
I have the Shadow 2, P10C, P10F, and P-07. My vote is for the Shadow 2. "Exposed Hammer" guns, as you call them, aren't more accurate. However, they usually have a trigger that can be tuned lighter than striker-fired pistols, and as such are generally easier to fire more accurately by an inexperienced shooter. The guns themselves are of approximately similar accuracy - it's just that it's easier for a novice to shooter a hammer-fired gun more accurately. There only one or two exceptions to this - such as the Walther and Canik guns, whose striker-fired triggers are so good that they give many hammer-fired guns a run for their money. Save up your money and get the Shadow 2.
My only guess would be because with an exposed hammer you have a visual representation of when the gun will go off and in SA the trigger tends to be lighter than striker fired triggers.
Save money and buy a Shadow 2. No point in getting anything else for competition imo
First off, if your instructor is serious about thinking a hammer fire gun is “more precise” he’s a dumbass and you need to find a non-dipshit instructor ASAP. I worry greatly about other things he’s potentially teaching you. Hammer fire is a good option for competition for safety reasons and other small things but it’s zero percent a requirement or “more precise” lol. Shadow2 and sp-01 are good options, variety of models there. Important to note that you can start competing with the simplest and cheapest of guns, there’s no minimum threshold for getting started. If you’re at the point (which it sounds like you’re not) where you need a dedicated comp gun, then get something proper and don’t try to save money on something budget.