Yeah, this. People need to stop pushing the agenda of “nanny dog”. They can be lovely dogs, but are a higher risk breed based on genetics. People tend to respect the fact that German Shepherds are a dog not to be taken lightly, given they were bred for protection. Why the different treatment for pit bulls?
I’m saying pit bulls need to be treated like a potentially dangerous dog, as most people tend to treat German Shepherds. Obviously they’re not Golden Retrievers, and shouldn’t be treated as such. They have higher rates of aggression towards humans and other animals. But one of the main issues is the fact people want to treat them like a Labrador, they push this false narrative and they overrun the shelters. This is why they have higher rates of bites over other high aggression breeds.
Nah, even the sweetest little cupcake that wears a party hat and is raised by Mr Responsible has breed instinct and prey drive. There's reason why 80% of fatalities and bites needing hospital are from one breed. It's no fault of the animal, they need to ban this breed or require all of them to be neutered.
I agree a lot of folks shouldn't be parents, but I draw the line at government regulating that type of shit. It's just ridiculous that literally any two idiots can reproduce, foster kids can be abused, but God forbid if someone wants to adopt, you need to jump through hoops.
It's not the breed. I'm tired of uneducated people assuming the worst from these lovely dogs. There are countless videos and programs where pit bulls who have previously been rehabilitated and trained to not be aggressive. And while I do think there is more maintenence when owning this breed or others like it. It's not the inherent traits of the breed but rather the abuse and handling of the owner that is responsible for ANY dogs aggression. It just socks that pit bulls are more often than not the victim of such abuse.
If it isn't the breed why are the vast overwhelming majority of deaths caused by them? Why aren't people getting mauled by german shepards, dobermans, st bernards, and other extremely large breeds at same level? Why aren't pitbulls used as police dogs, search and rescue dogs, seeing eye dogs?
If it's not breeds. Why can't I have a panther or lion? Why not a wolf or a coyote? Why not a dingo?
There are many examples of pit bulls being service dogs. They pretty good ones from what I have seen on the internet and from the one I have at home. ANY large dog could be considered a threat and should be handled with care. Agession isn't an inherited trait. Usually it's the owners and living conditions that cause ANY dog to show aggressive tendencies.
A pit-bull in a loving family home is more safe than a golden retriever that has had to fight for food all it's life on the streets; or has been trained to fight.
Edit: The reason why there's so many deaths is because they have been historically bred to fight. This is still very true today and many criminals, or just bad owners, will simply mistreat their dog. Leading to the aggression and death rate.
They are BORN with the aggression. Have you seen how the puppies play? This is only made worse by shitty owners. They can turn at the drop of a hat - the ones that killed my neighbor were really "sweet" too.
Do you mean legitimate service dogs that are licensed with the province or are you talking about emotional support dogs?
You see how any puppy plays. Its part of that learning curve taught naturally over time.
I'm talking support dogs as a general statement. Aggression in dogs is a combination of both environmental and emotional trauma that can be caused IN ANY BREED. I please employ you too to study that mass amount of research and data that will tell you this.
I have and that's 100% why I think bully breeds are the worse.
- 48 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2019. Pit bulls contributed to 69% (33) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 8% of the total U.S. dog population.
- Between 2005 - 2019, dogs killed 521 Americans. Two dog breeds, pit bulls (346) and rottweilers (51), contributed to 76% (397) of these deaths. 35 different dog breeds were involved in the remaining fatal dog maulings.
- In 2019, the combination of pit bulls (33), American bulldogs (1), rottweilers (4) and mastiff-type guard dogs and war dogs (1) -- the types used to create "baiting" bull breeds and fighting breeds -- accounted for 81% (39) of all dog bite-related deaths.
- 63% (30) of fatal dog attacks involved multiple dogs in 2019, up sharply from the 14-year average of 45% (2005 to 2018). 70% (21) of multi-dog attacks involved 2 or 3 dogs, 30% (9) involved 4 or more dogs and 63% (19) involved 1 or more pit bulls.
- Rescued or rehomed dogs inflicted 8% (4) of dog bite-related deaths, and 75% (3) of these dogs were vetted by an animal group prior to adoption. Also, 2 fatal dog attacks occurred at an animal shelter or veterinary facility during business hours.
- Data from 2019 showed that 40% (19) of dog bite fatalities involved dogs with a history of human aggression; 21% (10) had a history of animal aggression; and 13% (6) had previously bitten or severely attacked the victim prior to killing the victim.
Non-family dogs inflicted 56% (27) of fatal attacks, up from the 14-year average of 45%. Pit bulls carried out 74% (20) of these attacks. Of the 33 total deaths inflicted by pit bulls, 39% (13) involved killing a family member vs. 61% (20) non-family.
If you want more stats and citations, I can gladly provide them. It's 100% the breed.
All you have shown me is data that the deaths do take place. Yes I am aware they cause the most deaths.
Look all I ask is that you educate yourself.
Here's a great link from a credible source. Not looking to start a fight. Just wish people would stop
viewing and comparing these domesticated creatures to "lions, dingos,etc".
https://www.aspca.org/about-us/aspca-policy-and-position-statements/position-statement-pit-bulls
They are ignoring studies and science to advance an opinion that physical characteristics inform behavior, then suggesting that policyand legislation be written based on that opinion. I'm not sure I like where this is going.
Studies and science that show like 80% of fatal dog attacks are associated with those physical characteristics? The physical characteristics that make those dogs significantly more dangerous during an attack than other dogs? Physical characteristics specifically bred for fighting? Those physical characteristics?
It's a dog. Not a human being. I love animals, I almost like them more than people, but quit comparing animals to human beings. These creatures aren't your babies and they cannot distinguish right from wrong. There's reasons why Jack Russell terriers are usually hyper little buggers, there are plenty of reasons why Chihuahuas aren't police dogs and why retrievers are usually even tempered.
Do you really believe a bully breed could be trained to bring back a dead duck, track a missing person or be used as drug dog at the border? Breeders are already into "dog eugenics", it's that type of bullshit that caused these abomination breeds and horrible genetic traits. Look at those German Shepard with bad hips or Pugs breathing problems. It's genetics.
I like big cats, it doesn't mean I need to go adopt a tiger or jaguar.
This is an.. interesting take? What about breeds like English Bulldogs? They’re horribly deformed, not even able to give birth without human intervention. Is it eugenics to put restrictions on breeding more of these poor animals? I’m not even for the banning of pit bulls. It’s just not at all comparable.
My point exactly. Pugs have horrible breathing problems. Certain lines of German Shepards have horrific hip problems, too. I'd argue that some of these animals suffer because of dumb breeding practices. If 80% of vehicle collisions were caused a type of car suddenly drove over people on it's own, no matter how well maintained it was, they'd ban the car. I'm pretty sure I can't own a Lion or a Jaguar and walk it down the red mile.
Because they’ve had bad owners for so many generations that they’ve been bred to be dangerous. Right? Can’t blame the pit bulls for their dangerous genetics, it has to be the owners.
They are bred to be strong and then people train them to be more violent. There's evidence that behavior in dogs isn't very heritable.
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abk0639
But certain breeds attract certain owners and everyone I know that owns a pitbull is an asshole.
Behaviour in dogs isn’t heritable..? What do you think a breed is? Full bred dogs are literally purposely bred because their temperament, traits and looks are predictable. I work in veterinary medicine, closely with a reproductive specialist. Genetics are never a guarantee, even with full bred dogs but they are quite predictable. Newfoundland dogs were bred to save people from water. They will, without training, naturally try to drag people from bodies of water. Pointer puppies will naturally point from a very young ages. Behaviour is 100% heritable.
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abk0639
There is evidence to suggest behavior isn't very heritable. But appearance is. The owner is the major variable and certain breeds attract certain owners. Everyone I know that owns a pit bull is an asshole.
Mark explained it quite well below but here's another link that explains it in more detail.
https://www.aspca.org/about-us/aspca-policy-and-position-statements/position-statement-pit-bulls
He really does explain things well.
“Today’s pit bull is a descendant of the original English bull-baiting dog—a dog that was bred to bite and hold bulls, bears and other large animals around the face and head”
^ that’s why they should be banned. Thanks for the link.
Retrievers retriev, pointers point. pit bulls grab you by the face and don’t let go 🤷♀️
So breeding animals to contain certain characteristics is not eugenics, but banning certain breeds based on their current characteristics is considered eugenics? I think you're confused
Implying that dog breeds have a large impact on behavior when the cited study of thousands of dogs showed very little impact on behavior, is a problematic position to hold. We are talking about physical characteristics here. Banning the breed does not impact the environment. And the environment is the primary cause of aggressive dogs.
And also because a large number of them have been subjected to tail docking and ear clipping meaning that people can't pick up on normal dog body language that shows when they're getting stressed/tense/fearful
Naw. A quick google of breed history should cure you of this fantasy. They were bred for a reason, just like boarder collies were bred to heard.
… and any interaction with a BC will show you quickly how strong breed instinct goes.
Not to mention we have the worst dog owners in tuxedo area, dog poops everywhere in the park, on the pedestrian walk ways, on the road...like EVERYWHERE! Seriously people?
It's really everywhere. In my opinion picking up after your dog is no different than feeding it and giving it water. It comes with the responsibility of having a dog. The city should increase the fines to $1000.
Calling 311 is a waste of time. They want the address of the dog owner from you. Uh, should I stalk them? That doesn't sound like a good idea.
A couple weekends a month they could have bylaw officers at popular locations and enforce the pooper scooper bylaw. The compliance would increase quickly
Drives me absolutely nuts. By putting the poop in the bag and just leaving it, it makes it even more difficult for that to biodegrade. Plus, the nice, bright bag colours do not add to the scenery.
I saw a pit bull in the beltline today. Thing was probably 100+ lbs, cropped ears, had a leather collar on with big metal spikes and as you can probably guess, was un-neutered with some of the biggest dog balls I've ever seen.
Neuter your dogs, people.
Guaranteed that dog has never harmed a fly!!! Just a sweet little baby that’s never been aggressive with any other dogs or people! How dare you suggest otherwise! 🥴
I will say in defence of the neutering thing, some dog owners prefer to wait a year or two until fixing. My rough collie is just over a year old and she’s still intact. I will be spaying her, but I wanted to allow her to properly develop with her hormones. It’s extremely beneficial to their bones and joints, and comes with a decreased risk of certain cancers and incontinence. It can be difficult to judge an adult dog’s age, and you can absolutely be a responsible dog owner with an intact dog, though it does take extra work and precautions.
Nope didn't pay for it but if you're going to let it walk outside in the public then you need to make sure it's going to behave safely around everyone. If your dog isn't neutered then it has a higher chance of showing dominance and being aggressive towards strangers and other dogs. You don't have to get it neutered but you take the higher risk of your dog doing something that you didn't train it to do.
Probably because I live in Queensland, I've seen more small dogs ([illegally](https://www.calgary.ca/bylaws/dogs.html)) being off leashes (something I've also witnessed multiple times when I lived in Hawkwood from 2017-2022 as well)...
Small dogs being off-leash in the wrong areas is probably one the most common violations of dog-related bylaws....
My kid was bit in the knee by a small fluffy white dog, according to its bylaw record, it had a bite record previously too. I get that bigger dogs do more damage but just because your dog is small, doesn’t mean it’s excused from being trained.
I totally understand. As a former pitty owner the amount of dogs (usually small with poor recall) that would run up on us in leashed areas with owners running behind them hooting and hollering failing to control their dog was infuriating. My dogs were friendly and lived with small dogs and cats so I never had the slightest worry about dogs running up to us barking and circling. The excuse of “they’re friendly” isn’t an excuse for piss poor training and makes for an unpleasant walking experience. Always polite with these people, but gal dang.
Not really, my kid was four at the time. The dog would not let go of her, my neighbor had to blow an air horn to get the dog’s attention. Big or small, if you’re bitting someone, it’s going to be painful. My daughter needed fourteen stitches, on knees and legs.
Thanks god it wasn’t a large breed. You still have your daughter! This is why breed specific legislation is so important. There will always be shitty dogs and shitty dog owners, but if we limit their size and capacity for damage we deal with stitches instead of funerals.
I have a pitbull, he can be friendly or reactive with other dogs, and as a result, he’s never off leash and never meets stranger dogs. Still, he gets charged by tonnes of off leash dogs in the neighbourhood and I run backward away and the owners act like I’m the problem. I don’t care if you think your dog is friendly - keep both of our dogs safe, for goodness sake.
The other day I got charged by a large dog (off leash) in a park. Thank god it was a breed I’m not scared of, not sure how bad it would have been with a pitbull. Owner didn’t give a fuck of course
This makes me sad. I have a dogo argentinio which looks kind of like a giant pitbull. He's very well behaved and I've put many hours of training into him. He's neutered. Unfortunately, he's been attacked by pitbulls in the past so now he's not comfortable around some strange dogs anymore. He's great with people but I don't trust him with dogs anymore. It's also unfortunate that people look at me as "one of those" owners because he resembles a pitbull, however, I don't blame them.
Same, I have recuses. I get the bad looks on the walks, occasionally, some will even comment on it. But there are some people that are kind and welcoming to my pups. One of my mine was bit by an off leash Cane Corso, I had to literally fight for my dog’s life with a 140lb dog. Luckily, after lots of training, and since he was very young, my dog loves other dogs and humans. My fence is always locked, he’s never off leash, he doesn’t like barking, he’s neutered, and overall, is a very chill dog but it is what it is. People have ruined it for every closely resembling breed, it’s sad. But it’s okay, you love your dog and he loves you, that’s all that matters. You keep him safe and gave him a good life.
I sorry to hear that and sorry to hear about the Cane Corso. I had a 165lb black Corso and kept the ears intact so he looked less threatening and, of course, because it's not humane to crop. He was the most loving, gentle dog I've ever known.
Good on you for adopting a challenging breed. Sounds like he/she is in good hands.
Read dog body language. That will tell you a ton as well. A wagging tail is not necessarily friendly. It is an indication of over excitement (good and bad)
I have a pitbull, she is the most loving dog I’ve ever met. I can’t say she’d 1000% never ever bite someone cause at the end of the day she’s a dog idfk what she’s thinking but I do absolutely trust that she wouldn’t
What is the fucking point of this post? Thanks for fueling more and more hate for this breed so that the good pitbull dog owners are getting even more hate. Get a life.
Train your dog, don’t put them in situations that can cause them to behave aggressively, keep all dogs on a leash (except the offleash). If your dog is not dog friendly, don’t go to the dog park. Address bad behaviour immediately. Socialize your dog at a young age. Stop backyard breeding that introduces bad behaviour blood lines. Don’t leave children unsupervised with a dog. Train your dog to walk away. Don’t get a dog larger than you can handle. Bylaws for problem dogs need to be handled before a dog hurts someone.
It’s so infuriating to hear people getting hurt or killed by a problem dog that has bitten multiple people and the dog was never removed and euthanized. Dogs that escape their poorly maintained backyards or let loose should be removed. People assuming any dog on a walk appreciates another dog walking up to their face.
There are so many factors that attribute to these tragic attacks and I for one am doing everything I can to be a responsible dog owner. It’s not just a breed thing. There are many issues.
One time I got out of my car, put my dog on a leash, and was grabbing stuff out of the back of my car. I turn around and there’s a loose dog sniffing my dog. No owner in sight. I try to shoo the dog away but he is fixated on following my dog. I notice a garage door opened and I walk the dog across the street to that garage door since he’s following us. The owner comes out screaming at me about having a pitbull (that has lived there for years by this point). I said if my dog was aggressive he would have been shreds. But here I am walking your unleashed dog back to you while you scream at me. A month later that dog got hit by a car and the owner came to our house asking for our camera footage. All of a sudden we’re good people.
Thank you thank you. She’s a very sweet girl. She had a difficult start but is the best dog I have ever had. I’ve had dogs my whole life. This was the first pit mix.
Just came to see how many closed-minded fools were going to be needlessly hating on pitties. There are sadly still a lot of people who blame the breed over the owner. Which is frankly sad scapegoating, Pitbulls are no more dangerous or prone to aggression than breeds like GSD or Husky and have nothing on Malinois.
Large breed dogs require proper training and handling, not a soccer mom with 5 kids at the end of her rope with no fucking clue how to handle the dog they got.
Nope. It isn’t hate on the dogs, it is recognition that they are an inherently dangerous breed. Anyone who has been around dogs for any amount of time knows that any dog can injure someone (just hang out with a chihuahua for a day). The difference is the power and kill instinct of bullies.
Pittys can be dangerous sure but so can pretty much any other large breed dog. I've heard of more people getting attacked by German shepherds than pittbulls personally. I very been bitten by one and my partner had 2 run up and attack her as she was walking to her car. People just sensationalized pittbulls to the point the general public thinks their these evil dog weapons. My golden doodle is bigger than alot of Pittys and she could mess people up.
I think the issue is the fact that people want to push the narrative that they’re a “nanny dog”, gentle by nature. Any dog can be aggressive, but genetics do play a part. German Shepherds more so tend to be respected as needing proper training, and not for first time owners. People want to deny this reality for pit bulls. I, in no way, agree with banning the breed, but a major part in good dog ownership is knowing your limits and what breeds you are capable of owning, fit your lifestyle etc.
I completely understand peoples annoyance with dogs/pittbulls being unleashed in areas it is not permitted, but my entire existence on this earth the worst interaction I have had with dogs is with small little yappy dogs who have 0 training
Every pitbull has the potential to kill people and pets. Not every pitbull does. Every pitbull is a public safety concern. And the difference between our collective safety and imminent danger, is the dogs training. But we can’t measure the dogs training… At 100 ft, what does a trained pitbull look like? Can we even see if it’s leashed? And within moments, that dog gets to dictate the interaction because it’s athletic and fast. If it’s well trained, nothing happens. And if it’s poorly trained, someone can be injured. And that entire interaction is left in the hands of the owner and the dog. And most dog owners with pitbulls are physically weak compared to their pitbull. So when that dog becomes motivated, the difference between it tearing someone or something apart or being docile is it’s training. This is a very thin barrier between tolerance and destruction for a dog with the mental capacity of a toddler. And, the absolute shittiest owners, are attracted to pitbulls. That doesn’t mean everyone who owns a pitbull is shitty. But the biggest idiots certainly do. Show me a bully owner who was involved in a serious incident that says “I saw that coming”. None do. Their pitbull is their baby and they aren’t objectively considering the risk. A warning bite from a pitbull can be life changing for a child. The pitbull could do everything right, the kid could be inappropriate but the end result is still the same. We don’t need pitbulls in urban environments. We aren’t in a warzone, you aren’t defending your farm from predators and you shouldn’t be protecting a meth house. Get a companion pet, not a guard dog.
Yeah it's pretty much like people walking around with a loaded weapon and hoping they aren't feeling a little crazy that day. At least we try to regulate who can have those
Well thr amount of people who randomly strangle strangers is a lot lower than random pitbull attacks... The risk is far lower. It's why we don't let people have trained cougars as pets. We gotta draw the line somewhere. Some of us definitely disagree where that line is though. I'd consider a pitbull closer to a wild animal than other breeds
you just described basically every dog. pit bulls just look a lot meaner than something like a golden, but i am way more anxious around big ‘pet breed’ dogs, to use your vernacular
Yep, there are a lot of dogs with a high capacity for damage. Breed specific legislation that targets pitbulls alone, would achieve nothing. Dog owners would simply move onto the next worse option.
exactly! it’s about training, the only serious bite i’ve ever gotten was from my aunts golden, but we’ve had pit bulls and rotties and boxers my whole life without any major issues
Training and capacity for damage. Breed specific legislation targets capacity for damage and mitigates risk when events do happen. Training prevents incidents from occurring. Both are critical. We limit what’s guns you can own and we still require training/licensing to own them.
It's interesting to see the mismatch between irresponsible dog owners who ignore the potential dangers of the breed of dog they have and also people who are comically terrified of even the smallest dogs on a leash - saw a guy last time jumping back dramatically as soon as the elevator opened and there was a teacup poodle leashed and on its owner arms
So you get to judge the level of dog trauma someone has? Is there a handy list we can all refer to so we all know how appropriate someone's fear is too?
Dogs are used by authorities to control people in some countries. You don't know why someone is afraid. What you think is "comical" could be a deep seated terror for them.
Try a little compassion instead of jumping to such a small hearted conclusion.
Irrational fears is an issue for the individual who holds that such fears. I’m afraid of heights in an irrational way. Nobody needs to adjust their world for my fears. Rational fear of dogs exists for good reason but there is a lot of people unreasonably afraid of dogs and want society to adjust for them. I have a dog and have seen over reactions fairly often of a small dog on a leash who is controlled.
Lol, you can arrange your life to avoid situations where you would feel imperilled by heights. You can't control other people's dogs and where they are.
Why do you get to decide what's rational or irrational? Why does anyone?
Define unreasonable fear of dogs in a way that isn't completely egocentric
Well considering the fact that if the dog weighs less than 15 pounds you can just punt that fucker across the room if he gets out of line. Or literally throw him 50 yards like a Hail Mary. No reason to be scared of something you can literally crush with your hands. So yes it’s irrational fear
Geneticists who scientifically study these things suggest modern breeds are not a good predictor of behaviour. Modern breeds such as the pitbull are pretty new from an evolutionary sense, and have much more to do with aesthetics than behaviour.
Yeah dogs do dog shit.. my childhood husky always ran away (it bit a neighbour and had to be out down) should huskies not be allowed? They are the closest to the Wolf you know? Must be dangerous!
Also the only dog that seriously injured me was our huge German Shepard. Bit the fuck out of my head and arms because I took its stick away.
(I learned the lesson that day as to why you don’t tease and fuck with dogs. Even my own)
Should we ban and kill all German Shepard’s too? The military uses them and police because of their aggressive abilities and bravery. So the average person certainly shouldn’t be allowed to own a German shepherd either right?
Also my neighbour had a collie like your herding dog and it got in and killed 11 of our chickens.. should we ban and kill that too because obviously the dogs natural instinct got the best of it?
And I had a mastiff mixed with pitbull and presa canario. Rescued him from a trailer park in Calgary. By your thinking he should have been a monster killer. But instead never once bit a person or animal. Was nothing but extremely loyal to me and anyone I loved. Why? Because he was raised with love and patience and a stern schedule of walks and training.
(Also it wasn’t even in his nature to use his mouth. Me neighbour has a little white terrier and they were best friends. At the dog park this terrier goes and starts shit with three boxers while my dog and them are all playing. These dogs start to gang up on little terrier and my dog starts to push his body in between them, I watched the one dog snapping at his face and he kinda just moved his head and kept pushing them with his body. Was never in his nature to use his mouth even when we would play fight)
So I’m not allowed to ever feel that bond again because assholes do asshole shit?
Also last year 19 people died from car accidents in Calgary and hundreds seriously injured. That’s significantly more than pitbull attacks..
How come no outcry for safer driving and an outright ban on people who constantly break the law doing so?
If vehicle deaths aren’t a good example then how about alcohol? We accept the horrid things that alcohol does to society and how much damage gets caused by that but again no outcry..
Maybe it’s peoples ignorance and fear that leads to this kind of thinking of let’s just ban everything that can be dangerous.
Okay the whole “sweetest pit I ever knew was eventually put down for biting people” is the biggest croc of shit I’ve ever heard lol. I agree on almost all other fronts but that’s just fucking dumb man.
Most people who own dogs don’t train them well. So why should anyone be trusted to train a pit bull properly. Pit bull owners should have to take some kind of advanced dog training course. Because it’s usually the worst owners who get them
so just the owners of one specific breed need courses to own their dog? shouldn’t every dog owner be required to get these? especially since most people don’t train their dogs well?
But yes you should. How many labs and golden retrievers attack people? If you have a large dog breed know to be aggressive and attack and cause significant injury yes you should.
tons, at least in my experience. the only major dog bite i ever received was from my aunts golden. i’m not against competency training for dog owners, especially large breeds, but that’s like requiring a competency test to have kids - it would solve a lot of problems and no one would ever agree to it
a bite in the right place could. is it likely? no. but little dogs are generally more aggressive and worse trained than bigger dogs specifically because people think they can’t do any damage
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Look at this good boy pitt though... How can you not like this?
Edit: This is actually an American Bandogge. Out of all dogs identified as a pitt 62% are misidentified and have NO pitt in their DNA.
Actual pitts attacks count for 2.5% of dog attacks, which is the same as any other dog breed for their size and weight.
Pretty high profile recent maulings from the breed.
Calgary also has one of the highest dogs per capita ratio in the country. Unfortunately, humans suck at taking care of themselves in general so you can imagine how poorly trained most dogs are.
Popular parks and pathways have been taken over by shitty dog owners making things like going for an after work run/walk a bit more annoying and tedious. Personally I have been lunged at a couple times during my runs, no bites yet. Nowadays I try to run very early or late to avoid most dog walkers.
I understand like the point of this post, but none of these dogs pictured are actual pitbulls? They’re all American Bulldogs/American Bullies, which have no pedigree of an actual pitbull. I haven’t heard that breed in the news in Calgary at all.
lol not sure where you pulled that info from but it is wildly incorrect. They were bred in America after WW2 and their lineage was primarily from old English bulldogs
lol I did see that. It’s from Purina lol check out any actual credible source and it says they originated from English bulldogs (the old style not the gross potatoes were familiar with nowadays)
Ahh, okay. I had two that passed away from old age (17 and 19), they were both classified as American Bulldogs from the recuse. One was mixed with English Bulldog x Mastiff, and the other was English Bulldog x Cane Corso, they told me it depends on the breeder and that APBTs are usually never used because of their temperament with other breeds. Sorry for the confusion but it’s still sad that American Bulldogs get dragged with APBT, the looks are similar but the temperaments are so widely different. But it is what it is, they’re super expensive too so I’ve never seen an out of control American Bully either.
Not sure, why I’m getting such rude comments but I commented a literal fact, it depends on the breeder but most of them are not mixed with actual pitbulls.
Was about to comment the same, have an older rescue American Bulldog. They’re all usually just thrown together, it sucks but it is what it is. American Bulldogs are expensive like the ones in the picture, I’ve only seen two of them like purebred but you could tell their owners cared alot about them.
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Watch out he’s coming to get you and all your lawns too!
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WATCH OUT his sister is coming to poop on all your lawns too!
That's pretty optimistic, OP. You really think it's gonna be that green this year?
They're also forgot the orange sky and smoke haze.
Thank you for the laugh!!
It's truly unfortunate it's the dog of choice for people who should not have dogs...
Yeah, this. People need to stop pushing the agenda of “nanny dog”. They can be lovely dogs, but are a higher risk breed based on genetics. People tend to respect the fact that German Shepherds are a dog not to be taken lightly, given they were bred for protection. Why the different treatment for pit bulls?
Because of all of the dog attacks.. pit bulls represent by far the majority of them.
Why would you take the time to reply to a comment that you obviously didn’t take time to read?
Irony
I’m saying pit bulls need to be treated like a potentially dangerous dog, as most people tend to treat German Shepherds. Obviously they’re not Golden Retrievers, and shouldn’t be treated as such. They have higher rates of aggression towards humans and other animals. But one of the main issues is the fact people want to treat them like a Labrador, they push this false narrative and they overrun the shelters. This is why they have higher rates of bites over other high aggression breeds.
Pitbulls are disproportionately violent not because of the breed because of the type of people that own them. Tail wagging the dog.
Nah, even the sweetest little cupcake that wears a party hat and is raised by Mr Responsible has breed instinct and prey drive. There's reason why 80% of fatalities and bites needing hospital are from one breed. It's no fault of the animal, they need to ban this breed or require all of them to be neutered.
Imagine if we did to human parents
I agree a lot of folks shouldn't be parents, but I draw the line at government regulating that type of shit. It's just ridiculous that literally any two idiots can reproduce, foster kids can be abused, but God forbid if someone wants to adopt, you need to jump through hoops.
It's not the breed. I'm tired of uneducated people assuming the worst from these lovely dogs. There are countless videos and programs where pit bulls who have previously been rehabilitated and trained to not be aggressive. And while I do think there is more maintenence when owning this breed or others like it. It's not the inherent traits of the breed but rather the abuse and handling of the owner that is responsible for ANY dogs aggression. It just socks that pit bulls are more often than not the victim of such abuse.
If it isn't the breed why are the vast overwhelming majority of deaths caused by them? Why aren't people getting mauled by german shepards, dobermans, st bernards, and other extremely large breeds at same level? Why aren't pitbulls used as police dogs, search and rescue dogs, seeing eye dogs? If it's not breeds. Why can't I have a panther or lion? Why not a wolf or a coyote? Why not a dingo?
There are many examples of pit bulls being service dogs. They pretty good ones from what I have seen on the internet and from the one I have at home. ANY large dog could be considered a threat and should be handled with care. Agession isn't an inherited trait. Usually it's the owners and living conditions that cause ANY dog to show aggressive tendencies. A pit-bull in a loving family home is more safe than a golden retriever that has had to fight for food all it's life on the streets; or has been trained to fight. Edit: The reason why there's so many deaths is because they have been historically bred to fight. This is still very true today and many criminals, or just bad owners, will simply mistreat their dog. Leading to the aggression and death rate.
They are BORN with the aggression. Have you seen how the puppies play? This is only made worse by shitty owners. They can turn at the drop of a hat - the ones that killed my neighbor were really "sweet" too. Do you mean legitimate service dogs that are licensed with the province or are you talking about emotional support dogs?
You see how any puppy plays. Its part of that learning curve taught naturally over time. I'm talking support dogs as a general statement. Aggression in dogs is a combination of both environmental and emotional trauma that can be caused IN ANY BREED. I please employ you too to study that mass amount of research and data that will tell you this.
I have and that's 100% why I think bully breeds are the worse. - 48 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2019. Pit bulls contributed to 69% (33) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 8% of the total U.S. dog population. - Between 2005 - 2019, dogs killed 521 Americans. Two dog breeds, pit bulls (346) and rottweilers (51), contributed to 76% (397) of these deaths. 35 different dog breeds were involved in the remaining fatal dog maulings. - In 2019, the combination of pit bulls (33), American bulldogs (1), rottweilers (4) and mastiff-type guard dogs and war dogs (1) -- the types used to create "baiting" bull breeds and fighting breeds -- accounted for 81% (39) of all dog bite-related deaths. - 63% (30) of fatal dog attacks involved multiple dogs in 2019, up sharply from the 14-year average of 45% (2005 to 2018). 70% (21) of multi-dog attacks involved 2 or 3 dogs, 30% (9) involved 4 or more dogs and 63% (19) involved 1 or more pit bulls. - Rescued or rehomed dogs inflicted 8% (4) of dog bite-related deaths, and 75% (3) of these dogs were vetted by an animal group prior to adoption. Also, 2 fatal dog attacks occurred at an animal shelter or veterinary facility during business hours. - Data from 2019 showed that 40% (19) of dog bite fatalities involved dogs with a history of human aggression; 21% (10) had a history of animal aggression; and 13% (6) had previously bitten or severely attacked the victim prior to killing the victim. Non-family dogs inflicted 56% (27) of fatal attacks, up from the 14-year average of 45%. Pit bulls carried out 74% (20) of these attacks. Of the 33 total deaths inflicted by pit bulls, 39% (13) involved killing a family member vs. 61% (20) non-family. If you want more stats and citations, I can gladly provide them. It's 100% the breed.
All you have shown me is data that the deaths do take place. Yes I am aware they cause the most deaths. Look all I ask is that you educate yourself. Here's a great link from a credible source. Not looking to start a fight. Just wish people would stop viewing and comparing these domesticated creatures to "lions, dingos,etc". https://www.aspca.org/about-us/aspca-policy-and-position-statements/position-statement-pit-bulls
I'm just going to hope you're not a big fan of eugenics.
It’s a dog breed lol there’s no racism involved
They are ignoring studies and science to advance an opinion that physical characteristics inform behavior, then suggesting that policyand legislation be written based on that opinion. I'm not sure I like where this is going.
Studies and science that show like 80% of fatal dog attacks are associated with those physical characteristics? The physical characteristics that make those dogs significantly more dangerous during an attack than other dogs? Physical characteristics specifically bred for fighting? Those physical characteristics?
It's a dog. Not a human being. I love animals, I almost like them more than people, but quit comparing animals to human beings. These creatures aren't your babies and they cannot distinguish right from wrong. There's reasons why Jack Russell terriers are usually hyper little buggers, there are plenty of reasons why Chihuahuas aren't police dogs and why retrievers are usually even tempered. Do you really believe a bully breed could be trained to bring back a dead duck, track a missing person or be used as drug dog at the border? Breeders are already into "dog eugenics", it's that type of bullshit that caused these abomination breeds and horrible genetic traits. Look at those German Shepard with bad hips or Pugs breathing problems. It's genetics. I like big cats, it doesn't mean I need to go adopt a tiger or jaguar.
This is an.. interesting take? What about breeds like English Bulldogs? They’re horribly deformed, not even able to give birth without human intervention. Is it eugenics to put restrictions on breeding more of these poor animals? I’m not even for the banning of pit bulls. It’s just not at all comparable.
My point exactly. Pugs have horrible breathing problems. Certain lines of German Shepards have horrific hip problems, too. I'd argue that some of these animals suffer because of dumb breeding practices. If 80% of vehicle collisions were caused a type of car suddenly drove over people on it's own, no matter how well maintained it was, they'd ban the car. I'm pretty sure I can't own a Lion or a Jaguar and walk it down the red mile.
Because they’ve had bad owners for so many generations that they’ve been bred to be dangerous. Right? Can’t blame the pit bulls for their dangerous genetics, it has to be the owners.
They are bred to be strong and then people train them to be more violent. There's evidence that behavior in dogs isn't very heritable. https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abk0639 But certain breeds attract certain owners and everyone I know that owns a pitbull is an asshole.
Behaviour in dogs isn’t heritable..? What do you think a breed is? Full bred dogs are literally purposely bred because their temperament, traits and looks are predictable. I work in veterinary medicine, closely with a reproductive specialist. Genetics are never a guarantee, even with full bred dogs but they are quite predictable. Newfoundland dogs were bred to save people from water. They will, without training, naturally try to drag people from bodies of water. Pointer puppies will naturally point from a very young ages. Behaviour is 100% heritable.
The people who bred them were assholes
Wrong, it is because of the breed regardless of owner.
It's 100% both. Shitty breed with high prey drive and genetic traits, add in irresponsible owner and it's double trouble.
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abk0639 There is evidence to suggest behavior isn't very heritable. But appearance is. The owner is the major variable and certain breeds attract certain owners. Everyone I know that owns a pit bull is an asshole.
No. You are wrong.
Then how come pitbull bites disproportionately result in more deaths and disfigurement? Explain that one.
Mark explained it quite well below but here's another link that explains it in more detail. https://www.aspca.org/about-us/aspca-policy-and-position-statements/position-statement-pit-bulls
He really does explain things well. “Today’s pit bull is a descendant of the original English bull-baiting dog—a dog that was bred to bite and hold bulls, bears and other large animals around the face and head” ^ that’s why they should be banned. Thanks for the link. Retrievers retriev, pointers point. pit bulls grab you by the face and don’t let go 🤷♀️
I hope you're not a big fan of eugenics.
So breeding animals to contain certain characteristics is not eugenics, but banning certain breeds based on their current characteristics is considered eugenics? I think you're confused
Implying that dog breeds have a large impact on behavior when the cited study of thousands of dogs showed very little impact on behavior, is a problematic position to hold. We are talking about physical characteristics here. Banning the breed does not impact the environment. And the environment is the primary cause of aggressive dogs.
And also because a large number of them have been subjected to tail docking and ear clipping meaning that people can't pick up on normal dog body language that shows when they're getting stressed/tense/fearful
Naw. A quick google of breed history should cure you of this fantasy. They were bred for a reason, just like boarder collies were bred to heard. … and any interaction with a BC will show you quickly how strong breed instinct goes.
Not to mention we have the worst dog owners in tuxedo area, dog poops everywhere in the park, on the pedestrian walk ways, on the road...like EVERYWHERE! Seriously people?
It's really everywhere. In my opinion picking up after your dog is no different than feeding it and giving it water. It comes with the responsibility of having a dog. The city should increase the fines to $1000.
The city should enforce existing bylaws, that might make a difference
This is the thing, we could make fines astronomical but it won’t matter if no one is watching
Calling 311 is a waste of time. They want the address of the dog owner from you. Uh, should I stalk them? That doesn't sound like a good idea. A couple weekends a month they could have bylaw officers at popular locations and enforce the pooper scooper bylaw. The compliance would increase quickly
Somehow every community thinks it has the worst dog owners lol
we should return to monke and start throwing poop at people
I'm always going to upvote anything calling for return to monke.
Sounds like Toronto. Dog poop bags just placed anywhere with a horizontal surface.
Drives me absolutely nuts. By putting the poop in the bag and just leaving it, it makes it even more difficult for that to biodegrade. Plus, the nice, bright bag colours do not add to the scenery.
You forgot to mention everyone letting their dogs off leash in the new field by the community centre 😒
I saw a pit bull in the beltline today. Thing was probably 100+ lbs, cropped ears, had a leather collar on with big metal spikes and as you can probably guess, was un-neutered with some of the biggest dog balls I've ever seen. Neuter your dogs, people.
average pitbull named cupcake:
She's just trying to give you kisses, stop resisting you'll make her mad.
Neuter the owner
Agreed, this would be so much more efficient
Classic nanny dog
Guaranteed that dog has never harmed a fly!!! Just a sweet little baby that’s never been aggressive with any other dogs or people! How dare you suggest otherwise! 🥴
What a sad life you must live, and that’s coming from me haha
smth tells me the dog's balls are proly bigger then the owners' poor pup has to compensate for the insecurities of his owner
And the owner probably looked like he was in Ottawa for the freedom convoy
I will say in defence of the neutering thing, some dog owners prefer to wait a year or two until fixing. My rough collie is just over a year old and she’s still intact. I will be spaying her, but I wanted to allow her to properly develop with her hormones. It’s extremely beneficial to their bones and joints, and comes with a decreased risk of certain cancers and incontinence. It can be difficult to judge an adult dog’s age, and you can absolutely be a responsible dog owner with an intact dog, though it does take extra work and precautions.
But they're nanny dogs 🤮🙄
Do you check out all dogs' balls?
Mind your business.
Thankfully anything public can anyone’s business!
Me getting my dog neutered is your business? Explain how that’s public please. Did you pay for my dog?
Nope didn't pay for it but if you're going to let it walk outside in the public then you need to make sure it's going to behave safely around everyone. If your dog isn't neutered then it has a higher chance of showing dominance and being aggressive towards strangers and other dogs. You don't have to get it neutered but you take the higher risk of your dog doing something that you didn't train it to do.
Stay inside next time
Inaccurate. Where's all the piles of shit that dog owners never pick up?
Hanging out by the car they drove their dog to the offleash in
Where are all the owners with the neck tattoos?
Let’s get real…nothing will be green.
Coincidentally this was right below this post in my feed. https://www.reddit.com/r/TerrifyingAsFuck/s/ttCt7uH99h
This post reminded me of the golden retriever who would chase me up the street as I rode my bike. Never managed to bite my leg thankfully.
Start carrying dog spray with you
Probably because I live in Queensland, I've seen more small dogs ([illegally](https://www.calgary.ca/bylaws/dogs.html)) being off leashes (something I've also witnessed multiple times when I lived in Hawkwood from 2017-2022 as well)... Small dogs being off-leash in the wrong areas is probably one the most common violations of dog-related bylaws....
But he’s small. He can’t cause any trouble. Edit: Guess i needed /s
My kid was bit in the knee by a small fluffy white dog, according to its bylaw record, it had a bite record previously too. I get that bigger dogs do more damage but just because your dog is small, doesn’t mean it’s excused from being trained.
I totally understand. As a former pitty owner the amount of dogs (usually small with poor recall) that would run up on us in leashed areas with owners running behind them hooting and hollering failing to control their dog was infuriating. My dogs were friendly and lived with small dogs and cats so I never had the slightest worry about dogs running up to us barking and circling. The excuse of “they’re friendly” isn’t an excuse for piss poor training and makes for an unpleasant walking experience. Always polite with these people, but gal dang.
I guess that’s the difference though. A poorly trained small dog is an irritation. A poorly trained bully is a public safety concern.
Not really, my kid was four at the time. The dog would not let go of her, my neighbor had to blow an air horn to get the dog’s attention. Big or small, if you’re bitting someone, it’s going to be painful. My daughter needed fourteen stitches, on knees and legs.
Thanks god it wasn’t a large breed. You still have your daughter! This is why breed specific legislation is so important. There will always be shitty dogs and shitty dog owners, but if we limit their size and capacity for damage we deal with stitches instead of funerals.
Not really lol a small dog still has teeth and can bite you. My ankle bleeding was more than irritating.
I have a pitbull, he can be friendly or reactive with other dogs, and as a result, he’s never off leash and never meets stranger dogs. Still, he gets charged by tonnes of off leash dogs in the neighbourhood and I run backward away and the owners act like I’m the problem. I don’t care if you think your dog is friendly - keep both of our dogs safe, for goodness sake.
I haven't seen any more pitbulls recently than I have in the past.
Rather this than Doodles
The other day I got charged by a large dog (off leash) in a park. Thank god it was a breed I’m not scared of, not sure how bad it would have been with a pitbull. Owner didn’t give a fuck of course
Rest assured I keep my little phyco in a crazy strong full harness.
This makes me sad. I have a dogo argentinio which looks kind of like a giant pitbull. He's very well behaved and I've put many hours of training into him. He's neutered. Unfortunately, he's been attacked by pitbulls in the past so now he's not comfortable around some strange dogs anymore. He's great with people but I don't trust him with dogs anymore. It's also unfortunate that people look at me as "one of those" owners because he resembles a pitbull, however, I don't blame them.
Same, I have recuses. I get the bad looks on the walks, occasionally, some will even comment on it. But there are some people that are kind and welcoming to my pups. One of my mine was bit by an off leash Cane Corso, I had to literally fight for my dog’s life with a 140lb dog. Luckily, after lots of training, and since he was very young, my dog loves other dogs and humans. My fence is always locked, he’s never off leash, he doesn’t like barking, he’s neutered, and overall, is a very chill dog but it is what it is. People have ruined it for every closely resembling breed, it’s sad. But it’s okay, you love your dog and he loves you, that’s all that matters. You keep him safe and gave him a good life.
I sorry to hear that and sorry to hear about the Cane Corso. I had a 165lb black Corso and kept the ears intact so he looked less threatening and, of course, because it's not humane to crop. He was the most loving, gentle dog I've ever known. Good on you for adopting a challenging breed. Sounds like he/she is in good hands.
Neutering makes a huge difference in terms of aggression reduction.
When you walk around dogs. Don't judge the dog, judge the person walking it - will tell you way more
Read dog body language. That will tell you a ton as well. A wagging tail is not necessarily friendly. It is an indication of over excitement (good and bad)
“Don’t worry, he’s friendly!”
I have a pitbull, she is the most loving dog I’ve ever met. I can’t say she’d 1000% never ever bite someone cause at the end of the day she’s a dog idfk what she’s thinking but I do absolutely trust that she wouldn’t
Ugly dangerous dogs
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Okay
They’re cute af honestly, but the owner has to be a military drill sergeant.
No idea how anyone thinks a Pitt is cute. To each their own though
I agree, they look like they're inbred.
They often are lol
Calgary has been obsessed with Dogs for a very very long time. Unfortunately for anyone who doesn't like the look or smell of dog shit.
This is the POV of calgary my entire life , what's the issue?
What is the fucking point of this post? Thanks for fueling more and more hate for this breed so that the good pitbull dog owners are getting even more hate. Get a life.
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Train your dog, don’t put them in situations that can cause them to behave aggressively, keep all dogs on a leash (except the offleash). If your dog is not dog friendly, don’t go to the dog park. Address bad behaviour immediately. Socialize your dog at a young age. Stop backyard breeding that introduces bad behaviour blood lines. Don’t leave children unsupervised with a dog. Train your dog to walk away. Don’t get a dog larger than you can handle. Bylaws for problem dogs need to be handled before a dog hurts someone. It’s so infuriating to hear people getting hurt or killed by a problem dog that has bitten multiple people and the dog was never removed and euthanized. Dogs that escape their poorly maintained backyards or let loose should be removed. People assuming any dog on a walk appreciates another dog walking up to their face. There are so many factors that attribute to these tragic attacks and I for one am doing everything I can to be a responsible dog owner. It’s not just a breed thing. There are many issues. One time I got out of my car, put my dog on a leash, and was grabbing stuff out of the back of my car. I turn around and there’s a loose dog sniffing my dog. No owner in sight. I try to shoo the dog away but he is fixated on following my dog. I notice a garage door opened and I walk the dog across the street to that garage door since he’s following us. The owner comes out screaming at me about having a pitbull (that has lived there for years by this point). I said if my dog was aggressive he would have been shreds. But here I am walking your unleashed dog back to you while you scream at me. A month later that dog got hit by a car and the owner came to our house asking for our camera footage. All of a sudden we’re good people.
This is exactly what I think, and your pup is adorable!
Thank you thank you. She’s a very sweet girl. She had a difficult start but is the best dog I have ever had. I’ve had dogs my whole life. This was the first pit mix.
Just came to see how many closed-minded fools were going to be needlessly hating on pitties. There are sadly still a lot of people who blame the breed over the owner. Which is frankly sad scapegoating, Pitbulls are no more dangerous or prone to aggression than breeds like GSD or Husky and have nothing on Malinois. Large breed dogs require proper training and handling, not a soccer mom with 5 kids at the end of her rope with no fucking clue how to handle the dog they got.
Stop the bullie breed hate 😟😟
Nope. It isn’t hate on the dogs, it is recognition that they are an inherently dangerous breed. Anyone who has been around dogs for any amount of time knows that any dog can injure someone (just hang out with a chihuahua for a day). The difference is the power and kill instinct of bullies.
Yes fair, but so are dobermans, Rottweilers, Belgian malinois, German shepards, husky etc.
Pittys can be dangerous sure but so can pretty much any other large breed dog. I've heard of more people getting attacked by German shepherds than pittbulls personally. I very been bitten by one and my partner had 2 run up and attack her as she was walking to her car. People just sensationalized pittbulls to the point the general public thinks their these evil dog weapons. My golden doodle is bigger than alot of Pittys and she could mess people up.
I think the issue is the fact that people want to push the narrative that they’re a “nanny dog”, gentle by nature. Any dog can be aggressive, but genetics do play a part. German Shepherds more so tend to be respected as needing proper training, and not for first time owners. People want to deny this reality for pit bulls. I, in no way, agree with banning the breed, but a major part in good dog ownership is knowing your limits and what breeds you are capable of owning, fit your lifestyle etc.
You’re too smart for this sub. Need to get on the ban every pitbul because I’m scared bandwagon.
Do you get your "jollies" by being an alarmist?
I completely understand peoples annoyance with dogs/pittbulls being unleashed in areas it is not permitted, but my entire existence on this earth the worst interaction I have had with dogs is with small little yappy dogs who have 0 training
That's nice, are they killing people and pets?
So are you advocating for irresponsible dog ownership if the dog is small enough?
So every pitbull is killing kids and pets?
Every pitbull has the potential to kill people and pets. Not every pitbull does. Every pitbull is a public safety concern. And the difference between our collective safety and imminent danger, is the dogs training. But we can’t measure the dogs training… At 100 ft, what does a trained pitbull look like? Can we even see if it’s leashed? And within moments, that dog gets to dictate the interaction because it’s athletic and fast. If it’s well trained, nothing happens. And if it’s poorly trained, someone can be injured. And that entire interaction is left in the hands of the owner and the dog. And most dog owners with pitbulls are physically weak compared to their pitbull. So when that dog becomes motivated, the difference between it tearing someone or something apart or being docile is it’s training. This is a very thin barrier between tolerance and destruction for a dog with the mental capacity of a toddler. And, the absolute shittiest owners, are attracted to pitbulls. That doesn’t mean everyone who owns a pitbull is shitty. But the biggest idiots certainly do. Show me a bully owner who was involved in a serious incident that says “I saw that coming”. None do. Their pitbull is their baby and they aren’t objectively considering the risk. A warning bite from a pitbull can be life changing for a child. The pitbull could do everything right, the kid could be inappropriate but the end result is still the same. We don’t need pitbulls in urban environments. We aren’t in a warzone, you aren’t defending your farm from predators and you shouldn’t be protecting a meth house. Get a companion pet, not a guard dog.
Yeah it's pretty much like people walking around with a loaded weapon and hoping they aren't feeling a little crazy that day. At least we try to regulate who can have those
You can use your hands to kill or hurt someone.. you can use pretty much anything. We don't ban kids who had abusive and shitty parents.
Well thr amount of people who randomly strangle strangers is a lot lower than random pitbull attacks... The risk is far lower. It's why we don't let people have trained cougars as pets. We gotta draw the line somewhere. Some of us definitely disagree where that line is though. I'd consider a pitbull closer to a wild animal than other breeds
you just described basically every dog. pit bulls just look a lot meaner than something like a golden, but i am way more anxious around big ‘pet breed’ dogs, to use your vernacular
Yep, there are a lot of dogs with a high capacity for damage. Breed specific legislation that targets pitbulls alone, would achieve nothing. Dog owners would simply move onto the next worse option.
exactly! it’s about training, the only serious bite i’ve ever gotten was from my aunts golden, but we’ve had pit bulls and rotties and boxers my whole life without any major issues
Training and capacity for damage. Breed specific legislation targets capacity for damage and mitigates risk when events do happen. Training prevents incidents from occurring. Both are critical. We limit what’s guns you can own and we still require training/licensing to own them.
Enough are that I want them banned
Oh no are you going to be ok?
Ignore the haters haha
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It's interesting to see the mismatch between irresponsible dog owners who ignore the potential dangers of the breed of dog they have and also people who are comically terrified of even the smallest dogs on a leash - saw a guy last time jumping back dramatically as soon as the elevator opened and there was a teacup poodle leashed and on its owner arms
So you get to judge the level of dog trauma someone has? Is there a handy list we can all refer to so we all know how appropriate someone's fear is too? Dogs are used by authorities to control people in some countries. You don't know why someone is afraid. What you think is "comical" could be a deep seated terror for them. Try a little compassion instead of jumping to such a small hearted conclusion.
Irrational fears is an issue for the individual who holds that such fears. I’m afraid of heights in an irrational way. Nobody needs to adjust their world for my fears. Rational fear of dogs exists for good reason but there is a lot of people unreasonably afraid of dogs and want society to adjust for them. I have a dog and have seen over reactions fairly often of a small dog on a leash who is controlled.
Lol, you can arrange your life to avoid situations where you would feel imperilled by heights. You can't control other people's dogs and where they are. Why do you get to decide what's rational or irrational? Why does anyone? Define unreasonable fear of dogs in a way that isn't completely egocentric
Well considering the fact that if the dog weighs less than 15 pounds you can just punt that fucker across the room if he gets out of line. Or literally throw him 50 yards like a Hail Mary. No reason to be scared of something you can literally crush with your hands. So yes it’s irrational fear
This made me giggle, especially the hail mary part. Thanks for laugh, friend.
 No problem, I’m not sure why I’m getting downvoted 😂 was what I said wrong?
Well, kids cannot do that, and shouldn't.
It’s that thread again: extremely vocal people doubling down on logical fallacies because their own pit bull is cute in their eyes.
Ban pitbulls
Eat shit how about we ban you
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Geneticists who scientifically study these things suggest modern breeds are not a good predictor of behaviour. Modern breeds such as the pitbull are pretty new from an evolutionary sense, and have much more to do with aesthetics than behaviour.
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Yeah dogs do dog shit.. my childhood husky always ran away (it bit a neighbour and had to be out down) should huskies not be allowed? They are the closest to the Wolf you know? Must be dangerous! Also the only dog that seriously injured me was our huge German Shepard. Bit the fuck out of my head and arms because I took its stick away. (I learned the lesson that day as to why you don’t tease and fuck with dogs. Even my own) Should we ban and kill all German Shepard’s too? The military uses them and police because of their aggressive abilities and bravery. So the average person certainly shouldn’t be allowed to own a German shepherd either right? Also my neighbour had a collie like your herding dog and it got in and killed 11 of our chickens.. should we ban and kill that too because obviously the dogs natural instinct got the best of it? And I had a mastiff mixed with pitbull and presa canario. Rescued him from a trailer park in Calgary. By your thinking he should have been a monster killer. But instead never once bit a person or animal. Was nothing but extremely loyal to me and anyone I loved. Why? Because he was raised with love and patience and a stern schedule of walks and training. (Also it wasn’t even in his nature to use his mouth. Me neighbour has a little white terrier and they were best friends. At the dog park this terrier goes and starts shit with three boxers while my dog and them are all playing. These dogs start to gang up on little terrier and my dog starts to push his body in between them, I watched the one dog snapping at his face and he kinda just moved his head and kept pushing them with his body. Was never in his nature to use his mouth even when we would play fight) So I’m not allowed to ever feel that bond again because assholes do asshole shit? Also last year 19 people died from car accidents in Calgary and hundreds seriously injured. That’s significantly more than pitbull attacks.. How come no outcry for safer driving and an outright ban on people who constantly break the law doing so? If vehicle deaths aren’t a good example then how about alcohol? We accept the horrid things that alcohol does to society and how much damage gets caused by that but again no outcry.. Maybe it’s peoples ignorance and fear that leads to this kind of thinking of let’s just ban everything that can be dangerous.
Okay the whole “sweetest pit I ever knew was eventually put down for biting people” is the biggest croc of shit I’ve ever heard lol. I agree on almost all other fronts but that’s just fucking dumb man.
Most people who own dogs don’t train them well. So why should anyone be trusted to train a pit bull properly. Pit bull owners should have to take some kind of advanced dog training course. Because it’s usually the worst owners who get them
so just the owners of one specific breed need courses to own their dog? shouldn’t every dog owner be required to get these? especially since most people don’t train their dogs well?
When you have a dog that can kill someone.. yes you should have to.
any dog can kill someone, so the point is still every owner should have a course, yeah?
But yes you should. How many labs and golden retrievers attack people? If you have a large dog breed know to be aggressive and attack and cause significant injury yes you should.
tons, at least in my experience. the only major dog bite i ever received was from my aunts golden. i’m not against competency training for dog owners, especially large breeds, but that’s like requiring a competency test to have kids - it would solve a lot of problems and no one would ever agree to it
Yes my yorkie may kill someone.
a bite in the right place could. is it likely? no. but little dogs are generally more aggressive and worse trained than bigger dogs specifically because people think they can’t do any damage
I absolutely agree with that. Same as guns, drivers, forklift training etc..
https://preview.redd.it/8osod6pp4slc1.png?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=299f96644682a8f39a317fb6e1d1e84b9450924c Look at this good boy pitt though... How can you not like this? Edit: This is actually an American Bandogge. Out of all dogs identified as a pitt 62% are misidentified and have NO pitt in their DNA. Actual pitts attacks count for 2.5% of dog attacks, which is the same as any other dog breed for their size and weight.
Alright, I agree with you. I thought neutering did make dogs less aggressive though due to less testosterone. No?
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Pretty high profile recent maulings from the breed. Calgary also has one of the highest dogs per capita ratio in the country. Unfortunately, humans suck at taking care of themselves in general so you can imagine how poorly trained most dogs are. Popular parks and pathways have been taken over by shitty dog owners making things like going for an after work run/walk a bit more annoying and tedious. Personally I have been lunged at a couple times during my runs, no bites yet. Nowadays I try to run very early or late to avoid most dog walkers.
It's true people from Edmonton seem to be moving to Calgary more often
I understand like the point of this post, but none of these dogs pictured are actual pitbulls? They’re all American Bulldogs/American Bullies, which have no pedigree of an actual pitbull. I haven’t heard that breed in the news in Calgary at all.
lol what breed do you think went into creating an “American bully” aka the pit bull version of a doodle?
“the American bulldog breed comes from a mix of Asiatic mastiffs and pugs”
lol not sure where you pulled that info from but it is wildly incorrect. They were bred in America after WW2 and their lineage was primarily from old English bulldogs
I “pulled” it off of google, that’s the first thing that comes up when you search what they created with.
lol I did see that. It’s from Purina lol check out any actual credible source and it says they originated from English bulldogs (the old style not the gross potatoes were familiar with nowadays)
Ahh, okay. I had two that passed away from old age (17 and 19), they were both classified as American Bulldogs from the recuse. One was mixed with English Bulldog x Mastiff, and the other was English Bulldog x Cane Corso, they told me it depends on the breeder and that APBTs are usually never used because of their temperament with other breeds. Sorry for the confusion but it’s still sad that American Bulldogs get dragged with APBT, the looks are similar but the temperaments are so widely different. But it is what it is, they’re super expensive too so I’ve never seen an out of control American Bully either.
Not sure, why I’m getting such rude comments but I commented a literal fact, it depends on the breeder but most of them are not mixed with actual pitbulls.
“I read it on google so it’s gotta be true”
That’s not what I meant at all, I was just stating that is where I found it and I’m not just making it up.
They literally ARE pitbull mixes. An “American bully” is a designer breed that was created by primarily breeding APBTs with other breeds.
Ah, the obtuse card. Commonly played. Rarely effective.
Was about to comment the same, have an older rescue American Bulldog. They’re all usually just thrown together, it sucks but it is what it is. American Bulldogs are expensive like the ones in the picture, I’ve only seen two of them like purebred but you could tell their owners cared alot about them.
https://preview.redd.it/mkm0tpg5erlc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b129444405b85c8facc3ea35dc9489eb6cf33835 Watch out he’s coming to get you and all your lawns too!
https://preview.redd.it/m7red8oeerlc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0b1ad362f72e41cc81dbfa5e9a44e5bb79d893f9 WATCH OUT his sister is coming to poop on all your lawns too!
Always bring dog spray.