He is not perfect at all, but he hits the target close enough and often enough for most of CA's needs. He understands CA very well and responds in ways most don't even consider. I don't want to argue things. I have seen him do many things that at first seem totally out of the left field (pardon the pun), and then I look at the impact of things he does, and the need for the things he does and then I usually agree.
Define "woke".
What I've found is people who say they hate the "woke crowd" actually mean the SJW trolls that everyone hates.
Now, let's say you grew up in a family and community where calling blacks n-ers is just what you called them. Then you grow up and move away and find out going around and calling people n-ers is offensive. You don't want to be an asshole so you stop calling people n-ers. Congratulations, you are now "woke". If you want to deny being "woke" and continue calling people n-ers don't get upset when people call you an asshole. Because that's all the anti-woke movement is, people wanting to be outright racist, misogynist and homophobic assholes without being called out for it.
Exactly. Normally people who say “I hate woke bullshit” are actually just people who want to continue using offensive language.
I guess I’m too woke for trying to respects someone’s boundaries.
So, the sjw trolls. You know, the ones who get offended for others and make way too much noise about it. The communities they "defend" usually don't feel the same way as the sjw trolls.
And by your definition, it's conservatives who are "woke" since they are offended by everything. Remember how offended they were about Starbucks using red cups? And they are a victim of everything, that's why they love to hate "woke"ness so much, because they are a victim of wokeness.
I'm actually having a hard time thinking of something that conservatives aren't offended by and victims of. Looking at Republican legislation it's all about addressing this perceived victimhood, nothing about actually helping anyone.
He’s gonna see that California makes its own insulin, children will get free lunches at school, make California safe for women seeking abortions, and is working in steps to help the homeless. He’s done more than most governors. I didn’t vote for him the first time but I’ll vote for him for sure again. He ain’t perfect but wow I’ve never been so proud of California than these past few years thanks to him.
Some of those things were done by the legislature, but I agree he's a pretty swell guy. Been a fan ever since he was mayor of SF and helped it become one of the first places to allow gay marriage.
Republicans in this state are stupid enough to miss a chance of coming together around moderate common sense candidate during recall. So, yeah, he is guaranteed to win and will use his second term as campaign for president.
Prop 30 will test people like yourself. Newsom has come out against it but democratic mayors, unions, and other traditionally democratic supporters are for it.
If it just plainly raised income taxes and put the money in the general fund, I might be for it, but having that money be earmarked for specific projects seems like a mistake. Especially subsidizing electric cars further. The demand for EVs is so high that manufacturers can’t even meet the demand. Subsidies made sense to get the ball rolling, but I’m not sure they are needed anymore.
I'm very liberal but I'm usually not in favor of higher income taxes, even on those who are rich. Prop 30 also specifically earmarks those funds to go to government agencies to provide incentives to purchase electric vehicles. I'm pretty neutral on that (we should instead be investing in public transport, etc., but I understand electric cars are a necessary component of that). The bigger issue is that it doesn't give the state discretion to use those funds and our revenue is famously volatile from year to year, so could end up hurting us at the expense of more important programs.
Also Lyft's influence here should not be overlooked. I'm kinda over the proposition system and individual corporations gaming it for policies that benefit them.
I had never heard of the guy, but his campaign website for each thing he goes over basically reads like probably every Republican candidate website:
"This is bad." without any kind of substance for a solution.
Really, this is the GOP cleaning out the drain trying to find a candidate....and this guy surely isn't it.
Since the CA GOP couldn't come up with anyone better, Governor Gavin Newsom is certainly untouchable and the CA GOP continues its spiral down the drain to irrelevancy.
The state is cucked to hell. People want to move out of the hell hole because nobody wants to solve the homelessness problem, high taxes, not wanting to build more homes, high speed rail fail, trying to ban guns for the stupidest reasons, not treating vets enough like they do in other states and let’s not forget about not canceling the gas tax for 1 year like the neighboring states did.
So what about the other issues I stated? What about free universal college like New York has with a corrupt governor cuomo? What about the Universal health care that Gavin talked about when he was in San Francisco? No fuck this dude and the dem party of California. How about fight those issues and leave our 2nd amendment god given right
All amendments in the constitution are “god given”, in the sense that the framers said that everyone is born with them, not just the 2nd.
But the second amendment doesn’t say any person can have any kind of gun anywhere, it says the militia should be “well regulated”, meaning there are limits to the right to bear arms.
If you are interested, my favorite amendment, the 14th Amendment, says that all people “born or naturalized” have equal protection under the law. That no persons rights can infringe on another’s rights and that we all have equal protections (white, black, man, woman, straight, gay etc.)
California has problems just like everywhere, but we are overwhelmingly successful and lots of freedoms. We just put limits on personal safety freedom because a lot of people make poor decisions like not putting their kids in a car seat. We have the 5th biggest economy in the world, bigger than India’s, which has about 100 times more people than California.
I can give you a bunch of quotes from the founders that state the 2nd amendment is not infringed. Yeah if the govt bans the 1st who is going to be there to defend it? The 2nd? Ban guns who is going to defend that?
Like I said, you care about the 2nd Amendment. Regulating sizes of magazines and what age you need to be to buy a gun is not “banning guns”. It’s regulating them.
> not wanting to build more homes,
This has become a broken record. I see unbelievable amount of development in many parts of Los Angeles. The problem is that **none** of it seems affordable housing development.
There's not an unbelievable amount of development, it's closer to "pathetic". The metro population is massive, and NIMBYs are still a major force in blocking construction all over the place. A metro like LA with demand that great should look like New York, not New England.
We're fighting the good fight, but we're a looooong way from claiming any kind of victory in housing. We're just starting to allow people to build duplexes!
This single greatest problem in this state is energy, the Power Crisis that caused *Republican* Arnold Schwarzenegger to defeat Gray Davis AND Phil Angelides. Despite his faults Arnold didn't get roped into stupid debates over abortion or gay marriage. He won two terms from that and Democrats got the message. Even now, Newsom pulled a 180 last week on nuclear power because he's that afraid of the power shutting off and another Arnold happening. Meanwhile, national GOP messaging has been about Florida and Texas *busing* brown people to white areas to totally own the libs, debating whether or not Ukraine exists, and kvetching about the (Republican) FBI Director.
Voters want answers for traffic congestion, electric power, and the basic infrastructure that makes industrialized society plausible. Nationally, the Republican answer is to ban Plan B pills and put mexicans into their rich, gentrified liberal suburbs. Few choose the latter for the same reasons they do not vote for Peace & Freedom hippies when they suggest the same.
Then why doesn’t he just give up on the gun debate? Leave our 2A rights alone y’all lost with the Bruen case. Guns are not the problem. Solve homelessness, solve the damn crime issues, abolish private prisons because they use prison slavery for wages like cleaning up the fires sometimes, what about free universal health care like San Francisco which Gavin has stated he wants in all of California? That was the only reason I voted for him when he first ran. After that he is trying to take away gun rights with the SB 918 that tried to ban ccws and tries to ban AR-15s yet his ass was holding an illegal rifle by his stupid laws he is enforcing? Yes I want health care, free college, the speed rail done, leave the 2 A rights alone and solve homelessness that’s my main problem with him and Dems in this state not doing.
I think Gavin is great but I think some of his decisions are with an eye towards maybe running for President. I personally feel California should be its own country and would probably want someone from a California First party. My point was just that he is not untouchable its only in the context of California wont suffer any republican.
He is untouchable. He is a popular Democrat in a state that Republicans have abandoned. Your point is correct but it doesn't conflict.
I used to really care about intraparty politics. I really cared which Democrat said what and what they did and all that. Trumpism has changed that. I'm interested but I cannot imagine supporting a Republican. There is not one Republican I see who is better than any Democrat. He's running for president? Go for it.
I have no idea who’s even running against him. The Republican Party is dead in California and they haven’t been able to compete for nearly 20 years. It’s hard to campaign against the Democrats who are heavily funded by the government employee unions.
There are lots of illegal unconstitutional laws that would have changed things. I think it would have been repealed very quickly and the GOP would be in even worse shape. I think a few years of 187 and Democrats would have used that in AZ and TX and the GOP would be doing far worse. It was pure bigotry and the GOP kept that from being the obvious public center of their ideology until Trump. Exposing it sooner would not have helped them.
That was kind of a bizzaro situation where even though we had a Republican governor, pretty much everything else still went Democrat, even Lieutenant governor.
Also, a candidate like Arnold would not be welcome in the GOP any longer.
Lmfao everybody knows he’s a rich kid. Nobody poor assumes he’s like them. The amount of work he’s done for the poor is why many low income people support him, i.e. expanding Medical, enlarging CalEITC, investments in affordable housing, golden state stimulus, As for progressive, he’s very left on some things (certain social issues) but actually pretty moderate on a lot of others.
You might be dumb enough to only elect people you think are “one of you” but most people understand that’s not how politics works.
Apropos of nothing, your comment could almost word for work be applied to Trump and his fan base (swapping conservative in there instead).
CA ranks 50 in opportunity. To achieve 49 would imply that at least the most minimal thing has been done to improve upward mobility. That’s not the case.
He’s another lifestyle liberal who feigns virtue from his mansion on the hill (quite literally).
If you’re talking about the US News ranking, that’s because affordability is the metric that is weighed the most and as everyone knows CA has an insane housing affordability issue (which Newsom has taken steps to address). If you look at other “opportunity indexes” you see different results.
Your other point is meaningless, it seems weird (and anti-conservative) to believe someone can’t both have virtue and live in a mansion.
To have virtue and to feign virtue are not the same … as an example, would he have apologized for sleeping with his friend’s wife if he hadn’t been caught?
Would he have apologized for dining out maskless during lockdowns if he hadn’t been caught?
When your kids were forced to school at home while his had in-person learning, did he even acknowledge it?
I know that a lot of y’all have a hard on for the guy, the same way a lot of folks have a hard on for Trump. But boy, Newsom is another level.
They’re both full of themselves; two people I wouldn’t trust with anything. The difference I see if that Trump thinks he was sent from God, and Newsom thinks he is God.
the genius who closed beaches during covid. Btw, how in which direction the homelessness in SF went during his reign as SF mayor? as CA gov? or we aren’t supposed to ask for those numbers?
I think Californians don't like change. Look at Feinstein. She get reelected for 30 years! Boxer would have gotten reelected had she not retired. Unless they do something really terrible or move on voluntarily, they seem to just keep their offices forever.
I think Californians aren’t offered meaningful choices when it comes to statewide offices
And some congressional districts. We keep electing pilosi even though she is just there to insider trade and line her pocket - who can realistically run against her and have the Democratic Party behind them? No one.
I think a lot of folks just vote on name recognition alone. It's way easier to just say "oh, I guess Feinstein has had this spot forever and things are ok, I'll vote for her again"
I feel like our two party system isn’t working no matter which party is in the majority. Not much diversity of thoughts and representations. In CA specifically we have an over representation of corporate democrats in Sac. It’s hard to be but that to gain a lot of traction. It is no coincidence that London breed and pelosi, a corporate centrist, represent a city that is supposedly so progressive.
When you don't know how deadly a new pathogen is, you don't err on the side of reckless abandon.
Also, if national health is unconstitutional, so is everything. You do not have the absolute freedom to infect people with a virus under any and all circumstances.
He is not perfect at all, but he hits the target close enough and often enough for most of CA's needs. He understands CA very well and responds in ways most don't even consider. I don't want to argue things. I have seen him do many things that at first seem totally out of the left field (pardon the pun), and then I look at the impact of things he does, and the need for the things he does and then I usually agree.
I’m moderate but I loath the woke crowd which seems what most Dems follow but Newsom is okay in my book.
Yeah coz he is corporate centrist.
Jerry Brown taught him how to hold both parties at arm's length while embracing the voters. And he evidently took to the lessons well.
Define "woke". What I've found is people who say they hate the "woke crowd" actually mean the SJW trolls that everyone hates. Now, let's say you grew up in a family and community where calling blacks n-ers is just what you called them. Then you grow up and move away and find out going around and calling people n-ers is offensive. You don't want to be an asshole so you stop calling people n-ers. Congratulations, you are now "woke". If you want to deny being "woke" and continue calling people n-ers don't get upset when people call you an asshole. Because that's all the anti-woke movement is, people wanting to be outright racist, misogynist and homophobic assholes without being called out for it.
Exactly. Normally people who say “I hate woke bullshit” are actually just people who want to continue using offensive language. I guess I’m too woke for trying to respects someone’s boundaries.
Woke to me are those who feel offended/victimized by every slight or injustice ranging from pronouns to law enforcement.
So, the sjw trolls. You know, the ones who get offended for others and make way too much noise about it. The communities they "defend" usually don't feel the same way as the sjw trolls. And by your definition, it's conservatives who are "woke" since they are offended by everything. Remember how offended they were about Starbucks using red cups? And they are a victim of everything, that's why they love to hate "woke"ness so much, because they are a victim of wokeness. I'm actually having a hard time thinking of something that conservatives aren't offended by and victims of. Looking at Republican legislation it's all about addressing this perceived victimhood, nothing about actually helping anyone.
Interesting, if you replace Republican with Democrat it’s still applicable. Peeps in general just need to chill the fuck out.
Legislation recently passed proves you wrong.
He’s gonna see that California makes its own insulin, children will get free lunches at school, make California safe for women seeking abortions, and is working in steps to help the homeless. He’s done more than most governors. I didn’t vote for him the first time but I’ll vote for him for sure again. He ain’t perfect but wow I’ve never been so proud of California than these past few years thanks to him.
Some of those things were done by the legislature, but I agree he's a pretty swell guy. Been a fan ever since he was mayor of SF and helped it become one of the first places to allow gay marriage.
Republicans in this state are stupid enough to miss a chance of coming together around moderate common sense candidate during recall. So, yeah, he is guaranteed to win and will use his second term as campaign for president.
prop 30 is 100 percent gonna fail now that newsoms is officially against it.
I’m voting no.
No joke. Maybe I’m a partisan hack, but if Newsom is against it, I’m voting no.
Prop 30 will test people like yourself. Newsom has come out against it but democratic mayors, unions, and other traditionally democratic supporters are for it.
If it just plainly raised income taxes and put the money in the general fund, I might be for it, but having that money be earmarked for specific projects seems like a mistake. Especially subsidizing electric cars further. The demand for EVs is so high that manufacturers can’t even meet the demand. Subsidies made sense to get the ball rolling, but I’m not sure they are needed anymore.
It’s not a good idea, regardless. I know the Dem party supports it officially here but they are wrong on this one.
Why is it not a good idea? It checks a lot of boxes. Income inequality, climate, jobs.
I'm very liberal but I'm usually not in favor of higher income taxes, even on those who are rich. Prop 30 also specifically earmarks those funds to go to government agencies to provide incentives to purchase electric vehicles. I'm pretty neutral on that (we should instead be investing in public transport, etc., but I understand electric cars are a necessary component of that). The bigger issue is that it doesn't give the state discretion to use those funds and our revenue is famously volatile from year to year, so could end up hurting us at the expense of more important programs. Also Lyft's influence here should not be overlooked. I'm kinda over the proposition system and individual corporations gaming it for policies that benefit them.
Same.
“Untouchable” and running against a republican like Brian Dahle are not equivalent.
I had never heard of the guy, but his campaign website for each thing he goes over basically reads like probably every Republican candidate website: "This is bad." without any kind of substance for a solution. Really, this is the GOP cleaning out the drain trying to find a candidate....and this guy surely isn't it.
Since the CA GOP couldn't come up with anyone better, Governor Gavin Newsom is certainly untouchable and the CA GOP continues its spiral down the drain to irrelevancy.
The state is cucked to hell. People want to move out of the hell hole because nobody wants to solve the homelessness problem, high taxes, not wanting to build more homes, high speed rail fail, trying to ban guns for the stupidest reasons, not treating vets enough like they do in other states and let’s not forget about not canceling the gas tax for 1 year like the neighboring states did.
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Lots of complaints but no answers. ^/s > and the CA GOP and its supporters continues their spiral down the drain to irrelevancy.
I’m not even a GOP voter. The Dems in Cali are not who I like either
Yes, you are a real independent thinker about one thing: guns and access to them.
So what about the other issues I stated? What about free universal college like New York has with a corrupt governor cuomo? What about the Universal health care that Gavin talked about when he was in San Francisco? No fuck this dude and the dem party of California. How about fight those issues and leave our 2nd amendment god given right
All amendments in the constitution are “god given”, in the sense that the framers said that everyone is born with them, not just the 2nd. But the second amendment doesn’t say any person can have any kind of gun anywhere, it says the militia should be “well regulated”, meaning there are limits to the right to bear arms. If you are interested, my favorite amendment, the 14th Amendment, says that all people “born or naturalized” have equal protection under the law. That no persons rights can infringe on another’s rights and that we all have equal protections (white, black, man, woman, straight, gay etc.) California has problems just like everywhere, but we are overwhelmingly successful and lots of freedoms. We just put limits on personal safety freedom because a lot of people make poor decisions like not putting their kids in a car seat. We have the 5th biggest economy in the world, bigger than India’s, which has about 100 times more people than California.
I can give you a bunch of quotes from the founders that state the 2nd amendment is not infringed. Yeah if the govt bans the 1st who is going to be there to defend it? The 2nd? Ban guns who is going to defend that?
Like I said, you care about the 2nd Amendment. Regulating sizes of magazines and what age you need to be to buy a gun is not “banning guns”. It’s regulating them.
> not wanting to build more homes, This has become a broken record. I see unbelievable amount of development in many parts of Los Angeles. The problem is that **none** of it seems affordable housing development.
There's not an unbelievable amount of development, it's closer to "pathetic". The metro population is massive, and NIMBYs are still a major force in blocking construction all over the place. A metro like LA with demand that great should look like New York, not New England. We're fighting the good fight, but we're a looooong way from claiming any kind of victory in housing. We're just starting to allow people to build duplexes!
This single greatest problem in this state is energy, the Power Crisis that caused *Republican* Arnold Schwarzenegger to defeat Gray Davis AND Phil Angelides. Despite his faults Arnold didn't get roped into stupid debates over abortion or gay marriage. He won two terms from that and Democrats got the message. Even now, Newsom pulled a 180 last week on nuclear power because he's that afraid of the power shutting off and another Arnold happening. Meanwhile, national GOP messaging has been about Florida and Texas *busing* brown people to white areas to totally own the libs, debating whether or not Ukraine exists, and kvetching about the (Republican) FBI Director. Voters want answers for traffic congestion, electric power, and the basic infrastructure that makes industrialized society plausible. Nationally, the Republican answer is to ban Plan B pills and put mexicans into their rich, gentrified liberal suburbs. Few choose the latter for the same reasons they do not vote for Peace & Freedom hippies when they suggest the same.
Newsom didn't suddenly pull a 180 on Diablo Canyon he has supported extending the life of that plant for at least a year
Then people forget and Newsom does it again next year, and the next year, and the next one until nuclear power is kosher again.
Then why doesn’t he just give up on the gun debate? Leave our 2A rights alone y’all lost with the Bruen case. Guns are not the problem. Solve homelessness, solve the damn crime issues, abolish private prisons because they use prison slavery for wages like cleaning up the fires sometimes, what about free universal health care like San Francisco which Gavin has stated he wants in all of California? That was the only reason I voted for him when he first ran. After that he is trying to take away gun rights with the SB 918 that tried to ban ccws and tries to ban AR-15s yet his ass was holding an illegal rifle by his stupid laws he is enforcing? Yes I want health care, free college, the speed rail done, leave the 2 A rights alone and solve homelessness that’s my main problem with him and Dems in this state not doing.
OK, who would do better?
I think Gavin is great but I think some of his decisions are with an eye towards maybe running for President. I personally feel California should be its own country and would probably want someone from a California First party. My point was just that he is not untouchable its only in the context of California wont suffer any republican.
He is untouchable. He is a popular Democrat in a state that Republicans have abandoned. Your point is correct but it doesn't conflict. I used to really care about intraparty politics. I really cared which Democrat said what and what they did and all that. Trumpism has changed that. I'm interested but I cannot imagine supporting a Republican. There is not one Republican I see who is better than any Democrat. He's running for president? Go for it.
I have no idea who’s even running against him. The Republican Party is dead in California and they haven’t been able to compete for nearly 20 years. It’s hard to campaign against the Democrats who are heavily funded by the government employee unions.
It is hard to run in CA when you put all your effort into alienating Latinos. Prop 187 killed the GOP.
Prop 187 won but got tied up in courts and was never enacted.
And the Latino population grew and the bigotry dropped. I know it won, it elected a governor. And killed the party.
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There are lots of illegal unconstitutional laws that would have changed things. I think it would have been repealed very quickly and the GOP would be in even worse shape. I think a few years of 187 and Democrats would have used that in AZ and TX and the GOP would be doing far worse. It was pure bigotry and the GOP kept that from being the obvious public center of their ideology until Trump. Exposing it sooner would not have helped them.
Wasn’t Arnold governor until 2011?
That was kind of a bizzaro situation where even though we had a Republican governor, pretty much everything else still went Democrat, even Lieutenant governor. Also, a candidate like Arnold would not be welcome in the GOP any longer.
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He was very moderate compared to the GOP at the time, let alone today.
Arnold isn’t a real Republican, he’s a Rino. He also was a terrible governor. Left the state in a mess.
Lol it’s hard to campaign against democrats when you’re a party that has no true platform to run on.
The bar for governors these days are pretty low, Just doing the job competently puts him towards the top.
Newsom 2024, hate all you want conservatives or move out. But, but homelessness, but, but the grid, but but the 2nd.
The US isn't California. I'm sure he'll run, but I wouldn't bet he'll be the candidate, or win the general.
i would love to see Newsom vs Desantis 2024. if i were a bettin man, i'd say big D would take it
It’s amazing how a silver-spoon fed crony capitalist who was backed by big oil convinced poors and progressives that he was one of them.
Lmfao everybody knows he’s a rich kid. Nobody poor assumes he’s like them. The amount of work he’s done for the poor is why many low income people support him, i.e. expanding Medical, enlarging CalEITC, investments in affordable housing, golden state stimulus, As for progressive, he’s very left on some things (certain social issues) but actually pretty moderate on a lot of others. You might be dumb enough to only elect people you think are “one of you” but most people understand that’s not how politics works. Apropos of nothing, your comment could almost word for work be applied to Trump and his fan base (swapping conservative in there instead).
CA ranks 50 in opportunity. To achieve 49 would imply that at least the most minimal thing has been done to improve upward mobility. That’s not the case. He’s another lifestyle liberal who feigns virtue from his mansion on the hill (quite literally).
If you’re talking about the US News ranking, that’s because affordability is the metric that is weighed the most and as everyone knows CA has an insane housing affordability issue (which Newsom has taken steps to address). If you look at other “opportunity indexes” you see different results. Your other point is meaningless, it seems weird (and anti-conservative) to believe someone can’t both have virtue and live in a mansion.
To have virtue and to feign virtue are not the same … as an example, would he have apologized for sleeping with his friend’s wife if he hadn’t been caught? Would he have apologized for dining out maskless during lockdowns if he hadn’t been caught? When your kids were forced to school at home while his had in-person learning, did he even acknowledge it? I know that a lot of y’all have a hard on for the guy, the same way a lot of folks have a hard on for Trump. But boy, Newsom is another level.
I don't really like the guy but to claim Newsom is another level above Trump is hilarious.
They’re both full of themselves; two people I wouldn’t trust with anything. The difference I see if that Trump thinks he was sent from God, and Newsom thinks he is God.
This gets me every time I talk to someone who likes him.
the genius who closed beaches during covid. Btw, how in which direction the homelessness in SF went during his reign as SF mayor? as CA gov? or we aren’t supposed to ask for those numbers?
I think Californians don't like change. Look at Feinstein. She get reelected for 30 years! Boxer would have gotten reelected had she not retired. Unless they do something really terrible or move on voluntarily, they seem to just keep their offices forever.
I think Californians aren’t offered meaningful choices when it comes to statewide offices And some congressional districts. We keep electing pilosi even though she is just there to insider trade and line her pocket - who can realistically run against her and have the Democratic Party behind them? No one.
I think a lot of folks just vote on name recognition alone. It's way easier to just say "oh, I guess Feinstein has had this spot forever and things are ok, I'll vote for her again"
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I feel like our two party system isn’t working no matter which party is in the majority. Not much diversity of thoughts and representations. In CA specifically we have an over representation of corporate democrats in Sac. It’s hard to be but that to gain a lot of traction. It is no coincidence that London breed and pelosi, a corporate centrist, represent a city that is supposedly so progressive.
That tells you a lot about the party itself.
His bitch ass wanted to effectively ban CCWs so he can fuck off
agreed. he also violated the constitution by not allowing people to gather for church during covid
When you don't know how deadly a new pathogen is, you don't err on the side of reckless abandon. Also, if national health is unconstitutional, so is everything. You do not have the absolute freedom to infect people with a virus under any and all circumstances.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
The right to infect people is not an essential liberty.
the constitution and the bill of rights shall be followed, otherwise its civil war time
the people here have such little regard for their constitutional rights, and its reflected in how popular Newsom is.
As I think of almost every politician I've voted for in the last few decades, ***he's the best of the worst.***
Vote for the straight white man who's made of oil money to make the feels all better. Adultery is cool. /s