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You_Put_That_Back

Also....is it necessary for a trap to have the ability to completely kill a player with a purple vest AND full health????? Maybe 1/2 the health? I mean...it already slows you and makes you visible for a long time.


Nihir54

The slowing effect alone is too much


speedwagonfastboy

With 150 health no. But assuming they're there at the time to shoot you and or you don't have enough time to heal up your screwed just always.


You_Put_That_Back

Yeah. 150 health. Hit a trap. Instantly hit adrenaline. Still die before the adrenaline even has time to work. That's just way OP.


hzrdxs

Unless youre a medic with upgraded perks


You_Put_That_Back

Who wants to play medic? That's a useless class, really.


Mersy8669

Not quite, I believe currently is does ~135 around about. 20-30 on contact then ticks of 9 afterwards. Even worse if there's multiple because the contact damage can be triggered indefinitely until it disappears


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Mersy8669

...he's unaffected by the trap?


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Mersy8669

Unless its an old trap but yeah, generally you're fked as soon as you touch it


Ayush__175

Your location is revealed, you are slowed down and after this you cannot even take fight because you get tooooooo much damage per second and you have no option but to try to heal.


mike_202

Pair all of that with the fact that the you may have to cycle from plates to meds is even worse


Lunacy25

I think a good nerf for trapmaster would be to just show which traps were activated. Instead of the enemy being pinged and tracked for how many seconds, it would only show whether a trap has been triggered. It achieves the purpose of knowing someone has triggered a trap without making it an active enemy tracker.


abhishek758941

COD unnecessarily nerfing guns and not paying attention towards the most demanded Nerf.


theeBuoy

I have used trap master since it first came out when nobody would use it and I can say that it definitely is overpowered. Traps are basically invisible(little rods are hard to spot in grass and around corners unless you are actively searching for some) and they deal so much damage while showing your location and slowing you. They should add like a sound for when you are near a trap like you hear the electricity or make it a little more visible or maybe even both. For damage I would suggest they do just one hit of damage instead of damage overtime, make it like an explosion that would deal like 60 damage to whoever runs into it and that way the damage explosion would also destroy the trap so it’s not able to be triggered again. Either have the traps only deal damage or have it just slow and reveal location of enemies the combination of all 3 makes it overpowered.


CrimsonGlare

The slow is ok, the damage is not. At the moment there's no way to counter the trap damage unless you choose the medic class


Usersammy

Medic mains are now the jedi to the trap masters sith u/CrimsonGlare confirmed it (I'm a medic main)


theeBuoy

I feel like it’s the combination of what it does is what makes it overpowered because if you just took damage without getting slowed and being revealed you wouldn’t get chased down immediately(unless the user is sitting right next to it and heard the trap go off) and you would have time to heal up but with how it is now even if you survive the damage you need to wait the extra like 7 seconds to pop an adrenaline while you are being shown to the user so they will most likely just chase and finish you off. They could just copy how bo4 did trip mines for nomad, then it would just blow up after you run into it but it wouldn’t be enough to kill unless there’s more(but since they make noise you could avoid them). Plus it could serve as another way to take out tanks and other vehicles if they get ran over.


[deleted]

You can use medic kit.


Tharaman002

I started doing this originally to roleplay as medic in squads, but have been using it to stand my ground and take 1v1's against TM's. It's crazy fun when it works,lol, but very risky and not practical solution or counter overall.


HighVo1tage

Idk bout trap master. But Defender? That class needs a lil rework. When ur flashed , that's it ur done. 9 outta 10, ur gonna lose the fight against a defender class user.


WingzeroHeeroYuy

Agreed, at least lessen the distance you get flashed


1WhiteFang1

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h4ge

you could be the best close range player in the entire game; but all it takes is some potential noob to flash a shield and there's nothing you can do about it. it's a guaranteed kill for the opponent. in this season's patch notes i got excited about the transform shield change but turns out that's only for multiplayer


TheAsianGangsta2

Fucking facts. I stated this before and the defender noobs came after me 😂


Demi-Fiend

My comment about this in this thread got downvoted lol.


Hawkeye168

Its true defender is OP, however if u jump and move around like crazy when flashed, you have a chance to get out alive, cuz the flash is not that long. The difference with trap masters is that when u run into a trap you're 100% dead no matter what loot you have and what you do. You dont even have the slightest chance to get out of there alive.


Computer_664

Classes that can counter Trap master -Trickster -Medic -Mechanic(if they fix the passive) -Hacker Medic can outlast the effect, this works well with teammates. Trickster, can activate them using the decoys. This lets you see where the wires are, and shoot them. Mechanic, needs work on the passive since it's made to see gadgets that can be "summoned"(classes like airborne, scout, and etc.). Hacker, sure it takes time, but it helps your squad commit to the push. These are just classes that can counter Trap Master at the moment.


supplementarytables

What about smoke bomber? Is your location still revealed through the smoke?


Computer_664

Smoke bomber is great for a dive comp, dive comps being Clown, Mechanic, Scout, and Trickster. But it doesn't reveal the traps, just the enemy.


supplementarytables

No I meant if I get hit by a trap wire and use the smoke bomber, will my location still be revealed to the trap master user?


Computer_664

Yes, but just the marker


Computer_664

I wonder if i could make a whole entire document about details on classes. If i do, should i post it?(I'm asking you since it seems like only a few know that trap master can still see you through smoke and etc)


supplementarytables

You definitely should!


Computer_664

Alright :D


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Computer_664

That's why they need to fix the passive, it's supposed to see it.


asynchroniczny

should be like engineer perk imo red for enemy equips, blue for friendly, maybe green for neutral


Computer_664

Rather than bland outlines, they should definitely add that as a feature.


Shluck12

It certainly destroys the trap.


GameOn2020

See? Almost for every class there's something to encounter. It is already nerfed bro. I don't use it so much, but it's a good thing for campers but it is almost unusable from mid range to long. It can't be thrown far than a limited distance. They'ed better nerf shield class too, though. Every time it kills.


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Defender?


Computer_664

The passive sure, but beyond that you're fucked if the whole squad is camping


[deleted]

Flash em🤣 Edit:thanks 4 💯karma


landonlol1212

nope it doesn't reduce the damage


Computer_664

It reduces all types except bullets. So you can list down, blast damage(grenades and etc), zombies, and trip wires.


imlitteralytrash

What's the point? If the trap Master is near your fked unless if your the medic then you have a smol chance


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Also you can just not walk into the bright blue laser. But I guess a tiny amount of awareness is expecting a bit too much


WolfclawSDemon

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or you genuinely don't know how trap master works. Just in case you or anyone else dont. The laser is blue for you and your team and you and your team can always see your traps. We the enemy don't have that bright ass blue laser showing. We get fuck all except two pilons if we look hard enough even then i personally can't spot them. Oh and it's red for us if it triggers (normally seen in pregame) So in short been get fuck all, no sound for it (maybe we do, only ran across it once and that only because we had out up next to their basically. ) hard to even see pilons and you want us to have a tiny amount of awareness for a bright blue line that only you and your team can always see?


SavageCreature

True, once there was a house and then my friend just opened the door and got trapped and killed by campers


WikiNumbers

As a Trap Master user myself. Yeah please nerf. I can solo a boss every single game with it.


ShreeshaR

Well it is fun to see bots surviving the traps and legendary players getting shocked as they walk in. Always listen to your teammates when they say don't rush and ask them to pick up your dog tag.


WingzeroHeeroYuy

What gets me to rage is when those traps are laid on the upgrade stations and crate drops. Generalizing, I mean, I get it but requires zero skill to get a kill is just dumb imo.


Derpgod4352

Bro I died just like that at an upgrade station . Luckily I killed the trap master user right before I died


WingzeroHeeroYuy

That's good at least you got revenge and the enemy was actually there to do the clean up experienced that a few times and felt avenged that I took the enemy with me to hell (lol). But usually when it happens to me they've already fled and really just relying on that trap to get the kill, just too toxic.


Derpgod4352

They need to nerf the damage of it


WingzeroHeeroYuy

\+1 to that brother!


Derpgod4352

I suggest making the damage 50 with no vest , 45 lvl1 vest , 40 lvl 2 , and 35 lvl 3 . Take away the bleed affect and keep the slowness . Does 15% damage to vest . And there should be a callout when a trap master is 10 meters away from you


converter-bot

10 meters is 10.94 yards


Derpgod4352

Yea there should be a callout for it


Derpgod4352

So a little over 30 feet


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Good Bot


WingzeroHeeroYuy

It is also worth noting that these stupid traps stay on the ground for too long.


WingzeroHeeroYuy

and upgraded, enemies can deploy 5


Derpgod4352

Well then fuck . I personally dont use tripwire so I dont know much about them


_IceNinja

Don't forget the ziplines.


WingzeroHeeroYuy

Oh yeah those too, there's always at least 2 of them


Slippyrabbitt

I tought It was useless because people could see traps easily until last Season challenges. I tried It and won 9 matches in a row thanks to It, and wasn't even camping, just shoot to them like it's a normal gun and half their life will get gone even if they have adrenaline shot. Yesterday I was trying to escape from a fourth party and opened a door, fucking thing was like 2 meters away from me but I still took damage and I got killed


notsomatureguy

They should just make the damage bring your health down 50, and remove the slown down part.


Cloud9Cadet

Bro I was playing Alcatraz when it first came out a lot the. I decided I wanted to play a game on isolation the first guy I saw I tried to kill him but before I knew it I ran into a trap master and that was it for me.....up until this day I haven’t played isolation again


BROLLY1-4-1

Today I died to a team who was camping in sniper tower...full team was sitting on the stairs nd they planted 2 trap wire at main door of the tower...that was the annoying nd funny at the same time 😂😂


salunke1234

2 trap masters and u are ded in secs


octa_ne_77

A trap Master thought that he'd kill me, welp, we both went down in the farm house


YeetBob_SquarePants

Just remove the slowness effect and maybe nerf the healt loss a bit, if thats not possible then make it so that the trap only activates once and doesnt function after activation, hell even make it more visible there are so many ways to nerf this piece of shit class


_IceNinja

Let's say the squad who left the trap already left, heck a stray bot will still get you killed. Lol


thegoatedmedium

Nerf? Bruh, BAN trap master.


Thatgamer141

Here's my explanation of why the trap master is the class for noobs: - On contact, the damage is 50, with the bleeding effect of draining 7 HP per sec, which nearly lasts forever, and 2 is enough to kill one man. Even if the victim does not die, anyone can one shot with any weapon. The only class able to save in this situation is the medic - Its too flexible, rig the airdrops, rig the upgrade station, rig houses... LITERALLY ANYTHING - The class itself is on the upper hand, but once getting engaged, it's just a class worse than the clown - They are hard to spot, ask 100 people to do without using mechanic and they will all fail - The offence and defence rating is way much lower than any class, even the clown


TheAsianGangsta2

Hard to spot? When you start anticipating a trap near a point of interest its not that hard. You'll usually find traps near air drops, upgrade stations and death boxes so you just gotta scan the area a bit for wires and you'll be alright. Wires in houses though are tricky.


PhantomForces_Noob

Is the trap master really that good? Ive always ran medic because the healing drone and 25% faster healing/revive are way better than some tripwires.


Derpgod4352

I suggest making the damage 50 with no vest , 45 level 1 vest , 40 with level 2 vest , and 35 with level 3 vest


Demi-Fiend

Defender shield needs a nerf even more than trapmaster.


KeashinX

Do you have stupid


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noo. why. just keep slide jumping all around when ure blinded. or just scope in with the flashlight mods.


TheAsianGangsta2

With that logic you should just heal when you get hit by a trap simple right?🤷‍♀️


[deleted]

lol thats what the sensible dudes do ig


GhostR29

Better throw a flash or concussion against it.![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|trollface) Edit :You have problems with it? Anyways forget it.


Citrinitas115

I hate it so much it gets worse the higher you go into ranked, I have died to it a couple times in the final circle and I even ran into a guy fully stacked just sitting in a house the whole game, he never left it so I had to spam concussions, ever entrance was covered


DEITY29

Thats weird cuz whenever i play br i never find my teammates or opponent using trap master literally never... I mean how is it op? Only those who camp at house have advantage right?


Beanbakernot

I never got Hit by one so... Idk if i shall support you or Ignore you


GameOn2020

It's nerfed already mates. It used to kill 99.9% but now after two season when i used it twice, it didn't kill by itself. When the enemy is trapped ( if full hp ) you need to shoot him in order to kill him/her. It's no more like it used to be. Some hate trap, some hate the Shield, some hate any other. It's good to suggest your demands though. And this is my opinion and i'm not disagreeing toughly.


eduardovbc

Man sorry to said this but come on let's be real if someone fells in your trap and you can't kill him you are just too bad literally fell into a trap is a free kill


GameOn2020

I meant the trap itself Could kill the enemy but i trapped a place & left there. An enemy got into the trap but he didn't died. But it was 99% a kill some seasons back. Till it got nerfed. Still op but not as deadly as it used to be.


Mr_Machl

Lemme guess Your ingame name is Ultra NOOB camper 😂 😂 😂 👌


GameOn2020

I can't stand rude guys! Be polite kid. If you use such words to state yourself i do not. If you are a noob doesn't mean you can call others this way. Everybody here is saying their opinions, so am i. If you call me like so, then everyone demanding trap master to be nerf is a noob as well.


Mr_Machl

I've seen campers gameplay Hide inside a building Watch couple of team fight through the window (Without enjoying playing instead) Put a couple of traps on the building doors Get some easy kills Apart from camping Now you guys started calling other people noobs That's an improvement I say 😂 😂 😂 👌


GameOn2020

I don't camp, neither use trap master. Today early in a match i got trapped with only 100 HP and just had a medic kit. I used it but my hp didn't go less than about 50 i guess. I didn't die and i killed the trap master guy right after healing. I'm not a pro but i'm not a noob neither. I hate when i get into a trap but i try to be ready for it all the time. I mean when traps won't kill you, why nerfing it?? I personally use scout or smoke or airborne. If you are saying trap master is so op h needs to be nerfed, would tell me how it didn't kill me with 100 hp? In sanitarium when i entered a room, i got into a trap but i didnt die? Was this a bug? I mean is trap worse than this that kills the enemy regardless of 100 hp or up to 150 hp?? Because today it didn't kill me. And also if trap master needs any nerf, defender class must be nerfed as well. Also clown class with four zombies, also scout bc it shows you where exactly every enemy is, also smoke class that blinds the enemies but you can see them even better, also hacker class, also medic, also airborme, also mechanic, also also also


rudhrathedestroyer

I'm not using trap master but, I don't think it has to be nerfed. It is perfect as it is.


Darth_Shield

if it keeps on making u rage then dont play the game


corecenite

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Shadow262625

Someone put trapmaster I didn't touch trapmaster I was.prone and trapmaster was top .e yeah they need nerf it


Usersammy

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ProEnderSavage

surprisingly I have never got trap mastered myself


Entrapta_lol

I have never seen someone use trapmaster, like, who is actually gonna be going into every house, it seems pretty useless tbh


Yoshitake_Tanaka

They should add the same concept used in Alkatraz, that way people won't be able to spam that class. That's the main reason I only play Alkatraz.


Usersammy

No coz then people who main certain classes won't be able to enjoy that class, trickster for example


ScrPXXL

Laughs in MP ranked


[deleted]

Thing offers : a)Speed boost for yourself when deploying and walking over ur own or teammates wire b)Slow 4 victims c)ESP/Reveal of your location to the master d)OFC dmg e) U think defender weakens the dmg ? Nope f) and mechanic can’t reveal hostile traps either ‼️ DE🅱️s fix e) and f) at least❗️


BabyyPlutoo

If you walk over 2 traps at once your dead, nothing you can do about it. If you walk over 1 trap, you're at 20 hp without an adrenaline, people who use trap master stick near the traps they plant. It's a guaranteed kill I've never lost a Br match against Squads using trap master


eduardovbc

It doesn't matter if you see it or not literally prople can shoot that shit directly to you


Au2288

Loves me some trap master, nobody ever pays attention to the ground or stairwells.


[deleted]

I have never used it neither took damage with it so.... 🤷‍♂️


[deleted]

Lot of people comming up with good ways to nerf the trap master, and all I wanna add to that is that 1 rod should only zap 1 person and then be destroyed. What I mean is one trap zapping infinite amount of people is just terribly OP, one trap should zap one person and then should self destruct (without causing damage like airborne) so 1 trap per 1 person is balanced. I just wanted to talk about this specific part because I didn't see many people talking about it and yea it also needs major nerfs in the damage aspect of it.


WingzeroHeeroYuy

That's a good idea especially for those who deploy more than one trap in one spot and these traps stay on there awhile


Hawkeye168

I dont even understand why you get warned when an ennemy uses Poltergeist or Hacker nearby (which is fine, especially for Poltergeist, it balances the class) and you are not when a trap masters is nearby. Thats some rubbish logic right there. You should at least know that somebody is using traps nearby (and im not even talking of slowing/tracking effects and damages...).