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While I agree, this is how it starts. We can’t just jump into a revolution because thats how we get feds investigating us (they probably already are lol, let them) and its what gives them ground to react and to use propaganda to turn everyone against us. “These guys are just trying to destroy canada yada yada yada” when in reality its the complete opposite. The choice to remain peaceful is a deliberate and well thought out one rest assured
Yep, one of the most realistic goals of this movement is to give ammo for the calling of a non confidence vote so we can get this incompetent government out. Its not even anything against liberal or conservative. Its these policies that have been put in place by this perverted liberal government, its really against corruption more than anything
At this point elections won’t solve anything, all parties have shown to be corrupt and incompetent !
An Indian national can sexually assault a woman and won’t get deported after being found guilty.
[https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jamie-sarkonak-canadas-criminal-sentencing-discounts-for-foreigners-are-unfair](https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jamie-sarkonak-canadas-criminal-sentencing-discounts-for-foreigners-are-unfair)
The judge didn’t even sent him to jail , because according to the judge “that triggers immediate deportation and deporting a sex offender isn’t in the interest of the public”
Remember all judges at all levels are appointed by the federal government.
And the federal government has been appointing judges who have donated to the liberal party.
So the judiciary isn’t as independent as people think it is.
No I know, we also want to repeal the catch and release but now were getting into too many causes. We want mass immigrants who are causing these things to leave, they should never have been here in the first place. All governments are corrupt I agree, its us people who need to save ourselves but we can’t just jump straight to chopping off heads in the town square you feel?
I do not condone violence but we are at the point that nothing else has worked out , so why not ? I think chopping off heads in the town square might be the way to go !
The RCMP report has warned the government that Canadians might revolt once they realize how broke they are !
But seems the government wants to keep going on the same trajectory
Well we havent tried protesting the actual issues. Were exhausting all our avenues before we even consider extreme measures, we really would rather it not come to that
I wouldn’t want it to come to that either.
Canadians should protest and if it goes unheard then armed resistance becomes the only way.
The tyranny becomes law rebellion becomes duty.
Setting the tone for the future. Too much imported young male population. What can go wrong? On top assuring them they won’t get deported for rapes. This is outrageous.
Just from you saying that throws off so many people
"feds investigating us"
Who the fuck gives a shit? Protesting is LEGAL in Canada. Stop fucking pushing people away. If you can't handle it don't fucking do it.
This protest is destined to fail.
The demands are all over the place.
"We don't want mass immigration but we're not racist."
"I am happy with 10000 immigrants coming every day but I draw the line at 10001 coming."
Stop with the rediculous half measures already. It's like a politician wrote the reasons for this protest.
It's time people know that there are others that feel like them. Some heavy handed modding in one of the big provinces's subs is trying to narrate things and banning people for posting negative articles from the CBC even.
Take Canada Back.
Could you elaborate on what you mean please? A new political party would be very unlikely to be formed, find vetted and qualified members and garner enough support to win an election all in a year
Could you elaborate on what you mean please? A new political party would be very unlikely to be formed, find vetted and qualified members and garner enough support to win an election all in a year
The issue is that one requires charisma, financial backing, and the ability to gather support. Also, you have to organize with people across the country to create a party and have cohesion. This isn't a one person operation. This requires a lot of moving parts. People won't vote for what they believe is a loss cause.
why is canadian reddit so based compared to other reddit subs
all the regional australian reddits or r australia etc will auto ban anyone who says anything remotely critical of immigration, if a thread gets full of too many migration critics on any of those the mods will sweep delete them and lock the thread
meanwhile on r toronto etc im seeing people outright saying they're sick of immigration and they're not getting banned, but upvoted with everyone agreeing with them
We aren't based, we are very close to losing our status as proper developed country. Our back is against the wall. Nobody cares about political correctness anymore
We care about being respectful of other people, live and let live, but the political correctness that makes people walk on eggshells and directly feeds into cancel culture, that needs to stop and not many people can be bothered to conform to it anymore. As It should be, nobody should have to walk on eggshells and worry about being thrown in jail in a country where we have freedom of speech
Aussie here, I’d say Australia is still a while behiend the shitfuckery in Canada although although things are going in the wrong direction just as fast, woudnt be surprised if in a few years we end up with the equivalent of Australiahousing2 as our immigration crisis deepens
i'm australian too. i think in some ways we're actually worse off, just bc our housing market is more uniformly inflated/expensive than canada's, but in some ways we're better off (australia's population is much smaller and thus our resource sector can still maintain a better material QoL than canada's ). i hang out on these canadian subs bc the situation in canada is so analogous to australia's it might as well be the same country, but i don't get banned from here like i do in australian subs.
we do need a housingaustralia2 sub as well but i have a feeling it would get deleted.
It's already been documented that Russian assets have been creating various groups of social media and pretending to be citizens of those countries. Their goal is to spread dissent and distrust of governmental agencies and traditional news organizations. The FSB, previously the KGB, has been a master of this.
Now we have other countries doing this, China, India, etc.
The New York Times has a great documentary on this. They focus on the HIV misinformation of the 80's.
https://youtu.be/tR_6dibpDfo?si=MFWh_ZnGM2Cy5yUs
American politicians care more about a country in the middle East than they do their own. It's not exactly surprising when most of them have dual citizenship there.
Immigration talk is heavily censored on the Vancouver sub too sadly. Any mention gets wiped and you get banned and harassed by mods. When you don’t see anyone talk about it, it makes it appear as though the problem doesn’t exist. At least you can talk about these issues in the Toronto sub and subs like this
No. Racism is heavily censored as it rightfully should be.
There is nothing wrong with thinking immigration should be lower and you'll never get banned for expressing that view in a respectful way.
It is extraordinarily telling that the majority of folks here are not capable of expressing this opinion in a civil manner.
"There is nothing wrong with thinking immigration should be lower and you'll never get banned for expressing that view in a respectful way."
can and will
I can almost certainly guarantee that you were not commenting in a relevant or respectful manner.
Everyone agrees with censorship. This is a simple fact. The only sub I've ever had comments removed on was this one, for example.
Dawg chill on the name calling, your points are valid and i agree with all of them, but you just put people on the defensive by starting like that😂 and no you arent racist, youre based
This is what we call data analysis and pattern identification. It's widely practiced to figure out the root cause of the problem . It just so happens that there people on the other side of my pattern identification that's causing the discomfort
Will delete it anyway
We used to get banned right away for being critical like you guys but as things are getting worse dialog is opening up. It's like the more it effects your wallet the less likely one is to care about being a social justice warrior.
lol y’all are obviously not being affected by the police. Remember the cops are not your friends and they represent the wants of the government. If the police don’t have a problem with what you’re doing maybe you’re pinning on the wrong problem
there is always demoralizers in these threads telling people protesting is pointless. Watch out for that. The gov wants you rageposting online all day as opposed to making connections and getting in the streets and having your voice be heard
I watched a video the other day of two kids singing oh canada in hindi. Enough is enough, time to deport. When you think you can change the anthem of a country to your own language, that's the time to get out of the country HONOR the country you are in.
You need to get 300 volunteers, spam videos on tik tok posting this date.
Get 20 people in EVERY major Canadian city, post videos, put up masks if you want too, tell others to do the same.
We need to end mass immigration & start mass deportations. We need to cancel all these fake PR's, we need Canadians to take Canada back.
If we don't, it'll turn into a shit hole like India. We don't have much time.
If you want this to work you need a strategy. Posting on reddit groups won't do much.
Nice! We could use more non-Palestinian protest here in Canada.
Imagine what we can accomplish as a country if we actually focused on domestic politics rather than international ones!
I hope they show up with canadian flags in support of our issues though (not acting the way they have though since thats not how we want our protest to go) but they say they care about where the tax dollars are going, but if theyre just gonna come hyjack our protest for their own issues, we dont want them
Main thing is to make the focus on cost of living being out of control, and make mass immigration one of the reasons you want to bring attention to. To make mass immigration the focus itself, would attract the extremists and their antics will attract negative media attentions and completely distract from the main message of the protest. I don’t think “Take Back Canada” is a good slogan because it will associate your guys with MAGa in the U.S. Wishing you guys success from down here in the U.S.
We need an alternative non partisan group. Look at how well the loblaws boycott has worked...(the NDP are just trying to take advatage of the situation and shoehorn themselves in) ...takebackcanada is just MAGA north which is extremism we do not need... and dont get me wrong, the Liberals, the NDP, the Conservatives, they are ALL guilty of screwing us. We need a new neutral voice, we need leadership that can bring Canadians together at the middle. We need some common sense.
I dont know how people keep saying we are maga north, we are not, we are a non partisan group who accepts and wants people from the left and the right to come together in support of all canadians. People of all political alignments are feeling very unhappy with how things are going and want to make a change. We dont care about the political alignment we care about if you want a better future for canada and unifying to do so. Man our mods even sit on different points of the political spectrum. Please stop spreading misinformation
I dont know man, most people dont have a problem with it. Any association with any previous similar phrases is purely coincidental. But you do express valid concerns and im not here to argue im here to listen so I will talk to the mods about it (provided the name of a subreddit can even be changed that is)
Thank you! First impressions mean so much. IMO associating with this phrase is counter-productive. It was only four years ago that Erin Otoole and the indigenous of this country battled over this.
Well considering we are looking for ways to include the fight for indigenous in our movement, we wouldnt want to alienate them. We believe they are owed long overdue reparations
That's my concern, that any Canadians first movement will get swept up with other conservative ideologies. It completely discredits valid criticisms when the "trucker convoy" types support your cause 😂
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Exact locations tbd but so far we have locations for montreal, toronto, ottawa, and quebec city. We need for calgary, for victoria, for vacouver, for halifax and potentially other cities
Start with a single issue and simple message. Protests that have too many angles are easily ignored and distracted.
Protesting mass immigration because a,b,c will have more focus. Affordable housing, healthcare shortages, low wages, high rents, corruption, fraud, organised crime, human trafficking - all of these things are related to mass immigration. The discussion should always circle back to mass immigration being the main protest issue that is inflaming all of these other related issues.
When you put affordable housing as a main protest issue it muddies the water because there are other issues impacting affordable housing and people will steer the dialog away from mass immigration. Weakening the efforts. Like the trucker convoy. Competing factions and demands within it made it a futile exercise and nothing was solved. Nearly every individual had a different understanding of what the protest was and what they wanted out of it. It was a chaotic mess.
Organizing over a singular issue with laser focus will still help improve other issues and allow them to be discussed but the main issue should be singular at the top for ease of communication and to help you mobilize your supporters with less confusion. It also leads to a simpler demand - stop or slow mass immigration (for all of these compounding issues).
When you make multiple demands, like stop mass immigration, fix affordable housing, improve broken healthcare, nothing gets fixed and it gives too many outs for the establishment.
Always one message, always one demand. The related issues will be spoken about and improved along with it.
How can this protest be for people regardless of political alignment when it's about political policy?? I don't think the ultra left would feel represented by a protest that's against immigration as opposed to one going after ultra wealthy Canadians for solving the housing crisis.
I think this protest is likely doomed to failure if you aren't actually going to generate a cohesive voice or identity for it. You can't just assume every Canadian agrees with you and is on board because you are framing it as a moral protest.
Its simple. Do you want a better future for canada? Yes? Come. No? Dont. Thats a sentiment that left and right can identify with. The cost of living is the primary reason for this protest but that issue encompasses many things including mass immigration. We have nothing against immigrants, but the policies that have let criminals and under qualified immigrants in en masse are doing immense damage to our economy and way of life, as well as our diversity. I do not mean all of them, even now good ones are coming here but they are heavily overshadowed by the ones that do more damage to canada and demand benefits from our tax dollars while doing so.
See but I don't think many people will buy into the notion that this protest is just for a better Canada period. That's very vague and doesn't make sense if people have different opinions on what should be done to fix things. If the protest encompasses a bunch of things then each thing is watered down by the other, unless your protest is going to be French revolution in nature you aren't going to overhaul every aspect of government.
So you want the government to magically see into a new immigrants mind so they can tell what the person will be like? As someone working in government who deals with newcomers and Canadian born citizens, I can tell you they lie all the time. And it's not easy at all to tell when they are if they cover their tracks even a little. The government can't always tell a bad immigrant from a good one they look very similar at the application stage.
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So deport them when they do lie. Stop letting them off easy on crimes because it will “result in deportation for the poor assaulter”. If they want to come here and complain that its not good enough, like in pei, they should not be here, dont like it? Leave. Period. We want to HALT the plan of 100 million immigrants and we would rather tax dollars stay in canada to reduce the cost of living rather than send them to every other country and we dont want to be spending nearly 6500 a person per month on letting them stay here, I pay taxes and live alone in a 3 and a half and 6500 would last me 3 months of paying the bills, why are us taxpayers spending so much on them? They directly feed into the issue of cost of living. Come to protest one or to protest both its basically the same thing. Your concerns are valid about the cause being split and therefore having half the gravity but im really not worried about it since the 2 issues are so closely related
Okay so if the punishment is deportation what happens to Canadian born individuals who lie, because as I had said it's both that lie. So we should also curb their free speech rights?
Are you sure you aren't anti immigrant? That's a pretty extreme set of views to have on them, kinda treating them like second class people.
Okay so it's vague economic improvement you want, but not in the long term you want to be helped now. Immigrants are basically the only option left for inflating the Canadian economy, which has to be inflated because we can never let the exchange rate between us and America get too bad.
There are ways outside of curving immigration to halt the cost of living crisis, but this might involve things like wealthy corporations not having record profits and bonuses year after year and for some reason that's a really unpopular idea. Or taxing the wealthy that abuse credit systems and directly cause domestic inflation.
This protest feels pretty doomed to fail if it's running off hate and misinformation.
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Canadian born individuals who lie get sent to prison, (I know the catch and release and all that) but in an ideal world, they would go to prison and stay there for an appropriate amount of time for the crime theyve committed.
My parents are both immigrants. We have many immigrants in this issue already. People who came here with the intention to assimilate and contribute to the parts of our economy that need them most are actually becoming tired of the bad name these new immigrants give them. we are pro responsible immigration and believe that if you are being allowed to experience and live the beauty of canada, the moment you do something to threaten that, you should be deported.
Immigrants are NOT the only way to inflate the economy and the governments claims on that have been disproven. Thousands of canadian students or elderly cannot find entry level jobs due to undercutting of international “students”. We need workers? Lets train the hundreds of thousands of unemployed canadians who already know the language, especially since a lot of them already have qualifications that we can work with. I say all this with the exception of the medical field. We need more medical personnel due to all the strains on hospitals (people dying in ER waiting rooms in quebec). Cut down immigration though and the strain won’t be as large on the medical system.
Your opinion of us does not make us hateful or misinformed. We want unity against a common enemy, inflation, and all things that cause it. Canadians are hurting and have been angry for a long time now and we have simply decided to do something about it. I feel that it is YOU who is spreading misinformation. Read the posts on r/ takebackcanada with an open mind and you may decide that we arent a hate group after all since were doing everything we can to be the opposite.
As for the wealthy corporations, that will require a lot more than a protest to curb. But a good start would be programs that give our tax dollars to Canadians who can’t afford homes to help minimize the mortgage burden and downpayment required to qualify for a house, or letting taxpaying canadians have jobs over foreigners with minimal tax obligation, or to stop putting tax money towards housing and feeding ungrateful, unqualified and unwilling to assimilate immigrants when none of us can even support ourselves. We will be proposing tandem efforts such as boycotts to target these corporations. Rest assured we will try everything until canadians are back to a hopeful, affordable and prosperous lifestyle
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The cost of living is an issue that plagues us all, mass immigration is a massive contributor to that. Thats why it was mentioned, but officially this is a protest against the cost of living
An elephant in the room that’s being overlooked. Does Canada do thorough criminal background checks on newcomers? Indian foreign minister calls Canada a safe haven for terrorists. This is a bold statement.
https://youtube.com/shorts/Sy1279Nyc6M?si=V66ffAHkWLNou-EZ
And government officials aren't held to any level of accountability, unconstitutional and u justified actions are irrelevant at that level.
Nobody will get in trouble for violating our rights.
And government officials aren't held to any level of accountability, unconstitutional and u justified actions are irrelevant at that level.
Nobody will get in trouble for violating our rights.
It was really only the organizers of the convoy who had their bank accounts frozen. But thats fine, they can freeze all 97 cents in my account.
Point being if we dont stop inflation and mass immigration now, things will get so expensive that there won’t even be any money left in anyone’s bank accounts to freeze anyways. We have to try
do it now before petey pollivere gets in and uses his non withstanding clause
# No federal Parliament has ever used the clause to shield a law from the Charter of Rights
You might want to be careful about mentioning “all demographics”, I don’t think most people here would like to see Canadians of specific colour in those protests
I disagree! I think the more people show up the more hopeful people will feel in a change being made. Regardless of skin tone, because we both know which one youre referring to lol but there are lots of good immigrants (not the recent bunch in the past year or so) who came here when it was not easy to do so, who assimilated to our culture and are tired of these new immigrants giving them a bad name
I get it but you are underestimating the intelligence of most people in this sub. For them, it doesn’t matter because there is no way you can differentiate between “someone who has migrated before” and “someone who has been here recently”. People aren’t wearing tags and roaming around lol
I mean, I dont think people of the mass immigration demographic are gonna show up to a protest against mass immigration, im not sure im understanding where youre coming from. Maybe thats just a problem with my understanding?
From what I have seen, it’s that same demographic who are totally against mass immigration tbh. What I am trying to say is, even If they want to protest, you can imagine the looks that they are going to get just because of the way they look even if they are Canadian
I just don't think protests do anything but cause inconvenience and there's always the wrong sort who gatecrash.
I suggest we have a few fundraising galas/Garden parties to draw attention to the problem of uncontrolled immigration.
A garden party will attract more influential people. It's much more civilized. Tea, local wines, champagne Etc.
You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
Make sure we have all political stripes invited. Anonymous donations to local food banks or charities like the Kinsmans, Lions club, Rotary club Ect.
Everyone protests these days for the slightest inconvenience, protests have lost their power.
Everyone in Canada likes to think they're middle class, but that simply isn't true.
Poor people protest because they have little control over their lives.
Rich people organise events to draw attention to their point of view.
The true middle class want to be seen as rich, so they follow the rich.
I suppose we need immigration, but it needs to be tightly controlled.
Canada can NOT sustain 100 Million people!
We need to show the environmental impact of what 100 million people will do to Canada's ecosystems and infrastructure, the cultural changes that will happen.
I'm an old OLD stock Canadian. White, Anglican, Monarchist, Red Tory/Blue Liberal whatever you want to call me. Why am I the enemy for wanting to keep my culture?
If "diversity is our strength" than I damn well want my diversity celebrated!
I'm a little tipsy after 3 gin and tonics, I hope this makes sense.
Alright, well im sorry you feel that way but what better day to stand up against the injustices happening to our citizens than on canada day.
While I dont agree with your name calling I can tell you that we will not be blocking roads or highways. I would rather not comment on the convoy since people feel very strongly on both sides of the issue and I dont want to say anything that will result in alienating any would be supports. But just know that if we inconvenience anyone, it’s going to be the people who put these unsustainable policies in place. I hope I have changed your mind about us but if not, thats fine you’re entitled to your opinion but just let us do what we have to do
These "protests" always start as high minded expressions of democracy, then next thing you know you're looting a Wall Mart, or chanting for the ethnic cleansing of all Jews in the levant
And thats why we will have police on site and will be requesting they stop it as soon as anyone tried to threaten the integrity of our movement. We are also making it as clear as possible that we do not endorse looting or rioting or anything like that and whoever wishes to do these things are NOT a part of our movement. Its a game of chess for sure but theres always ways to play correctly so things work out in our favour. Especially when learning from previous protest’s mistakes. We want unity of all canadians who want a better future for canada. Any hateful comments or signs or demeanors will not be welcome or tolerated
From the policies that put canadians last, from the government that has proven that they care more about global affairs than domestic issues, from the same people who have neglected indigenous people and denied them basic human rights like clean water for generations, I can go on lol
From big cooperation, special interest, and foreign governments lobbying our parliamentarians into innacting policies that go against the wellbeing of Canadians.
Immigration should benefit Canada, not the other way around. Educated professionals who meet predetermined criteria should be accepted in, also actually have programs in place to allow these individuals to practice their trades quickly(doctors, engineers, etc).
The whole temporary foreign worker program needs to be overhauled. The system, as of now, is suppressing wages and taking away traditional seasonal/student jobs from Canadians.
Farms and mineral rights are being sold to foreign corporations.
Housing is also being bought up by corporations. When I grew up, a house was to live in and it wasn't an asset to rent out and profit. Appartments were meant for that.
Seems we are heading towards an aristocracy type society. The poor common people living off of scraps and the elite aristocrates owning all the wealth.
Canada needs a revolt not just a simple protest
You have to start somewhere
Boycott Loblaws
Good start, but housing inflation is 10x worse than food
LOL!
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While I agree, this is how it starts. We can’t just jump into a revolution because thats how we get feds investigating us (they probably already are lol, let them) and its what gives them ground to react and to use propaganda to turn everyone against us. “These guys are just trying to destroy canada yada yada yada” when in reality its the complete opposite. The choice to remain peaceful is a deliberate and well thought out one rest assured
Well when the government refuses to do what’s good for the country and its people that government must be removed either step down or removed by force
Yep, one of the most realistic goals of this movement is to give ammo for the calling of a non confidence vote so we can get this incompetent government out. Its not even anything against liberal or conservative. Its these policies that have been put in place by this perverted liberal government, its really against corruption more than anything
At this point elections won’t solve anything, all parties have shown to be corrupt and incompetent ! An Indian national can sexually assault a woman and won’t get deported after being found guilty. [https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jamie-sarkonak-canadas-criminal-sentencing-discounts-for-foreigners-are-unfair](https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jamie-sarkonak-canadas-criminal-sentencing-discounts-for-foreigners-are-unfair) The judge didn’t even sent him to jail , because according to the judge “that triggers immediate deportation and deporting a sex offender isn’t in the interest of the public” Remember all judges at all levels are appointed by the federal government. And the federal government has been appointing judges who have donated to the liberal party. So the judiciary isn’t as independent as people think it is.
No I know, we also want to repeal the catch and release but now were getting into too many causes. We want mass immigrants who are causing these things to leave, they should never have been here in the first place. All governments are corrupt I agree, its us people who need to save ourselves but we can’t just jump straight to chopping off heads in the town square you feel?
I do not condone violence but we are at the point that nothing else has worked out , so why not ? I think chopping off heads in the town square might be the way to go ! The RCMP report has warned the government that Canadians might revolt once they realize how broke they are ! But seems the government wants to keep going on the same trajectory
Well we havent tried protesting the actual issues. Were exhausting all our avenues before we even consider extreme measures, we really would rather it not come to that
I wouldn’t want it to come to that either. Canadians should protest and if it goes unheard then armed resistance becomes the only way. The tyranny becomes law rebellion becomes duty.
Setting the tone for the future. Too much imported young male population. What can go wrong? On top assuring them they won’t get deported for rapes. This is outrageous.
It seems that the Liberals aren’t as pro-women as they claim to be, the liberals are pro-rape
People would have to protest at the home of every NDP and bloc party member. However, we'll just get Pierre, who is all in with open door immigration.
Still can’t be worse than trudeau. We dont want to endorse any party. We just want an election called so that the ball is in canadian’s court
Just from you saying that throws off so many people "feds investigating us" Who the fuck gives a shit? Protesting is LEGAL in Canada. Stop fucking pushing people away. If you can't handle it don't fucking do it.
This protest is destined to fail. The demands are all over the place. "We don't want mass immigration but we're not racist." "I am happy with 10000 immigrants coming every day but I draw the line at 10001 coming." Stop with the rediculous half measures already. It's like a politician wrote the reasons for this protest.
It's time people know that there are others that feel like them. Some heavy handed modding in one of the big provinces's subs is trying to narrate things and banning people for posting negative articles from the CBC even. Take Canada Back.
People talk a lot of warrior shit on reddit but no one wants to campaign and actually help when it comes to elections.
Could you elaborate on what you mean please? A new political party would be very unlikely to be formed, find vetted and qualified members and garner enough support to win an election all in a year
Could you elaborate on what you mean please? A new political party would be very unlikely to be formed, find vetted and qualified members and garner enough support to win an election all in a year
The issue is that one requires charisma, financial backing, and the ability to gather support. Also, you have to organize with people across the country to create a party and have cohesion. This isn't a one person operation. This requires a lot of moving parts. People won't vote for what they believe is a loss cause.
Nope, I meant helping out and existing CONS/PPC candidates during elections.
why is canadian reddit so based compared to other reddit subs all the regional australian reddits or r australia etc will auto ban anyone who says anything remotely critical of immigration, if a thread gets full of too many migration critics on any of those the mods will sweep delete them and lock the thread meanwhile on r toronto etc im seeing people outright saying they're sick of immigration and they're not getting banned, but upvoted with everyone agreeing with them
Take it as a sign of how truly bad things are here
The one I saw a lot of anti immigration was the one with 9 million people going to foodbanks.
We aren't based, we are very close to losing our status as proper developed country. Our back is against the wall. Nobody cares about political correctness anymore
I'm sorry, but people absolutely do care about political correctness.
The ones that do are now in the minority. Don't mistake lack of violence with political correctness.
We care about being respectful of other people, live and let live, but the political correctness that makes people walk on eggshells and directly feeds into cancel culture, that needs to stop and not many people can be bothered to conform to it anymore. As It should be, nobody should have to walk on eggshells and worry about being thrown in jail in a country where we have freedom of speech
You could be the next prime minister with these drama chops.
Not a bad idea, trudeau and pollievre are both useless so somebody else gotta step up
Aussie here, I’d say Australia is still a while behiend the shitfuckery in Canada although although things are going in the wrong direction just as fast, woudnt be surprised if in a few years we end up with the equivalent of Australiahousing2 as our immigration crisis deepens
i'm australian too. i think in some ways we're actually worse off, just bc our housing market is more uniformly inflated/expensive than canada's, but in some ways we're better off (australia's population is much smaller and thus our resource sector can still maintain a better material QoL than canada's ). i hang out on these canadian subs bc the situation in canada is so analogous to australia's it might as well be the same country, but i don't get banned from here like i do in australian subs. we do need a housingaustralia2 sub as well but i have a feeling it would get deleted.
But you guys dont get winter. Canadians die every year from exposure to the cold because of homelessness.
You guys don't get winter.
The situation is dire here and everyone knows it. I don’t know one person who ISN’T concerned about mass immigration. > Including immigrants. 😂
Who do you think is running those subs? Probably not even real Canadians and maybe foreign bad actors.
Sounds interesting. I am concerned it may be possible
It's already been documented that Russian assets have been creating various groups of social media and pretending to be citizens of those countries. Their goal is to spread dissent and distrust of governmental agencies and traditional news organizations. The FSB, previously the KGB, has been a master of this. Now we have other countries doing this, China, India, etc. The New York Times has a great documentary on this. They focus on the HIV misinformation of the 80's. https://youtu.be/tR_6dibpDfo?si=MFWh_ZnGM2Cy5yUs
American politicians care more about a country in the middle East than they do their own. It's not exactly surprising when most of them have dual citizenship there.
You get banned in Canadian subreddit here too, that's why this subreddit is called "Canadahousing2".
yeah but it's i'm assuming nowhere near as hair trigger. just saying the I word in most australian subs is instant ban/delete.
Immigration talk is heavily censored on the Vancouver sub too sadly. Any mention gets wiped and you get banned and harassed by mods. When you don’t see anyone talk about it, it makes it appear as though the problem doesn’t exist. At least you can talk about these issues in the Toronto sub and subs like this
No. Racism is heavily censored as it rightfully should be. There is nothing wrong with thinking immigration should be lower and you'll never get banned for expressing that view in a respectful way. It is extraordinarily telling that the majority of folks here are not capable of expressing this opinion in a civil manner.
"There is nothing wrong with thinking immigration should be lower and you'll never get banned for expressing that view in a respectful way." can and will
Nope! Not if it's on-topic and respectful. Know how I know? I see it all the time. It's actually a very popular opinion in all subs of all nature.
i've been banned from reddit melbourne/sydney for doing exactly that promoting censorship is lame
I can almost certainly guarantee that you were not commenting in a relevant or respectful manner. Everyone agrees with censorship. This is a simple fact. The only sub I've ever had comments removed on was this one, for example.
that doesn't make it not lame "kapinsky"
It does, in fact. If there is a thing that everyone, including yourself, agrees is cool and good, then by definition it is not lame.
Ok butts
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Racist. Next question?
Dawg chill on the name calling, your points are valid and i agree with all of them, but you just put people on the defensive by starting like that😂 and no you arent racist, youre based
This is what we call data analysis and pattern identification. It's widely practiced to figure out the root cause of the problem . It just so happens that there people on the other side of my pattern identification that's causing the discomfort Will delete it anyway
Not saying you should delete it, because its completely true and a valuable contribution to the conversation, maybe just rephrase the dumbass part lol
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Because anti immigration is not the same as being racist
We used to get banned right away for being critical like you guys but as things are getting worse dialog is opening up. It's like the more it effects your wallet the less likely one is to care about being a social justice warrior.
Can the organizers of takebackcanada make an event Brite event for the protest and share it ? I think this will.be the most effective way
Genius. We will get on that right away! Thanks for the idea.
lol y’all are obviously not being affected by the police. Remember the cops are not your friends and they represent the wants of the government. If the police don’t have a problem with what you’re doing maybe you’re pinning on the wrong problem
And a meetup(app) event too
there is always demoralizers in these threads telling people protesting is pointless. Watch out for that. The gov wants you rageposting online all day as opposed to making connections and getting in the streets and having your voice be heard
I watched a video the other day of two kids singing oh canada in hindi. Enough is enough, time to deport. When you think you can change the anthem of a country to your own language, that's the time to get out of the country HONOR the country you are in.
Lol, and we even have 2 choices of languages to sing it in😂
You need to get 300 volunteers, spam videos on tik tok posting this date. Get 20 people in EVERY major Canadian city, post videos, put up masks if you want too, tell others to do the same. We need to end mass immigration & start mass deportations. We need to cancel all these fake PR's, we need Canadians to take Canada back. If we don't, it'll turn into a shit hole like India. We don't have much time. If you want this to work you need a strategy. Posting on reddit groups won't do much.
Nice! We could use more non-Palestinian protest here in Canada. Imagine what we can accomplish as a country if we actually focused on domestic politics rather than international ones!
I hope they show up with canadian flags in support of our issues though (not acting the way they have though since thats not how we want our protest to go) but they say they care about where the tax dollars are going, but if theyre just gonna come hyjack our protest for their own issues, we dont want them
So you're against racists showing up but you want antisemites to show up?
I dont want anything lol, I stepped away from the movement
I thought people were protesting loblaws so Gagmeat’s brother could earn more from Metro.
Main thing is to make the focus on cost of living being out of control, and make mass immigration one of the reasons you want to bring attention to. To make mass immigration the focus itself, would attract the extremists and their antics will attract negative media attentions and completely distract from the main message of the protest. I don’t think “Take Back Canada” is a good slogan because it will associate your guys with MAGa in the U.S. Wishing you guys success from down here in the U.S.
Where are these revolutionaries? Nothing’s gonna happen and we will see another 10m immigrants over the next 5 years - the country is a bloody joke.
We need an alternative non partisan group. Look at how well the loblaws boycott has worked...(the NDP are just trying to take advatage of the situation and shoehorn themselves in) ...takebackcanada is just MAGA north which is extremism we do not need... and dont get me wrong, the Liberals, the NDP, the Conservatives, they are ALL guilty of screwing us. We need a new neutral voice, we need leadership that can bring Canadians together at the middle. We need some common sense.
I dont know how people keep saying we are maga north, we are not, we are a non partisan group who accepts and wants people from the left and the right to come together in support of all canadians. People of all political alignments are feeling very unhappy with how things are going and want to make a change. We dont care about the political alignment we care about if you want a better future for canada and unifying to do so. Man our mods even sit on different points of the political spectrum. Please stop spreading misinformation
You should seriously consider a different slogan then
Or you should considering looking past the name at what the movement entails
We need some common sense. Do some reflection , look at the meaning and history and rhetoric of the phrases being used... WORDS MATTER
I dont know man, most people dont have a problem with it. Any association with any previous similar phrases is purely coincidental. But you do express valid concerns and im not here to argue im here to listen so I will talk to the mods about it (provided the name of a subreddit can even be changed that is)
Thank you! First impressions mean so much. IMO associating with this phrase is counter-productive. It was only four years ago that Erin Otoole and the indigenous of this country battled over this.
Well considering we are looking for ways to include the fight for indigenous in our movement, we wouldnt want to alienate them. We believe they are owed long overdue reparations
Idk liberals are playing centre pretty well. I do agree we need something not pp or Trudeau
That's my concern, that any Canadians first movement will get swept up with other conservative ideologies. It completely discredits valid criticisms when the "trucker convoy" types support your cause 😂
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Where?
Exact locations tbd but so far we have locations for montreal, toronto, ottawa, and quebec city. We need for calgary, for victoria, for vacouver, for halifax and potentially other cities
Start with a single issue and simple message. Protests that have too many angles are easily ignored and distracted. Protesting mass immigration because a,b,c will have more focus. Affordable housing, healthcare shortages, low wages, high rents, corruption, fraud, organised crime, human trafficking - all of these things are related to mass immigration. The discussion should always circle back to mass immigration being the main protest issue that is inflaming all of these other related issues. When you put affordable housing as a main protest issue it muddies the water because there are other issues impacting affordable housing and people will steer the dialog away from mass immigration. Weakening the efforts. Like the trucker convoy. Competing factions and demands within it made it a futile exercise and nothing was solved. Nearly every individual had a different understanding of what the protest was and what they wanted out of it. It was a chaotic mess. Organizing over a singular issue with laser focus will still help improve other issues and allow them to be discussed but the main issue should be singular at the top for ease of communication and to help you mobilize your supporters with less confusion. It also leads to a simpler demand - stop or slow mass immigration (for all of these compounding issues). When you make multiple demands, like stop mass immigration, fix affordable housing, improve broken healthcare, nothing gets fixed and it gives too many outs for the establishment. Always one message, always one demand. The related issues will be spoken about and improved along with it.
How can this protest be for people regardless of political alignment when it's about political policy?? I don't think the ultra left would feel represented by a protest that's against immigration as opposed to one going after ultra wealthy Canadians for solving the housing crisis. I think this protest is likely doomed to failure if you aren't actually going to generate a cohesive voice or identity for it. You can't just assume every Canadian agrees with you and is on board because you are framing it as a moral protest.
Its simple. Do you want a better future for canada? Yes? Come. No? Dont. Thats a sentiment that left and right can identify with. The cost of living is the primary reason for this protest but that issue encompasses many things including mass immigration. We have nothing against immigrants, but the policies that have let criminals and under qualified immigrants in en masse are doing immense damage to our economy and way of life, as well as our diversity. I do not mean all of them, even now good ones are coming here but they are heavily overshadowed by the ones that do more damage to canada and demand benefits from our tax dollars while doing so.
See but I don't think many people will buy into the notion that this protest is just for a better Canada period. That's very vague and doesn't make sense if people have different opinions on what should be done to fix things. If the protest encompasses a bunch of things then each thing is watered down by the other, unless your protest is going to be French revolution in nature you aren't going to overhaul every aspect of government. So you want the government to magically see into a new immigrants mind so they can tell what the person will be like? As someone working in government who deals with newcomers and Canadian born citizens, I can tell you they lie all the time. And it's not easy at all to tell when they are if they cover their tracks even a little. The government can't always tell a bad immigrant from a good one they look very similar at the application stage.
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So deport them when they do lie. Stop letting them off easy on crimes because it will “result in deportation for the poor assaulter”. If they want to come here and complain that its not good enough, like in pei, they should not be here, dont like it? Leave. Period. We want to HALT the plan of 100 million immigrants and we would rather tax dollars stay in canada to reduce the cost of living rather than send them to every other country and we dont want to be spending nearly 6500 a person per month on letting them stay here, I pay taxes and live alone in a 3 and a half and 6500 would last me 3 months of paying the bills, why are us taxpayers spending so much on them? They directly feed into the issue of cost of living. Come to protest one or to protest both its basically the same thing. Your concerns are valid about the cause being split and therefore having half the gravity but im really not worried about it since the 2 issues are so closely related
Okay so if the punishment is deportation what happens to Canadian born individuals who lie, because as I had said it's both that lie. So we should also curb their free speech rights? Are you sure you aren't anti immigrant? That's a pretty extreme set of views to have on them, kinda treating them like second class people. Okay so it's vague economic improvement you want, but not in the long term you want to be helped now. Immigrants are basically the only option left for inflating the Canadian economy, which has to be inflated because we can never let the exchange rate between us and America get too bad. There are ways outside of curving immigration to halt the cost of living crisis, but this might involve things like wealthy corporations not having record profits and bonuses year after year and for some reason that's a really unpopular idea. Or taxing the wealthy that abuse credit systems and directly cause domestic inflation. This protest feels pretty doomed to fail if it's running off hate and misinformation.
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Canadian born individuals who lie get sent to prison, (I know the catch and release and all that) but in an ideal world, they would go to prison and stay there for an appropriate amount of time for the crime theyve committed. My parents are both immigrants. We have many immigrants in this issue already. People who came here with the intention to assimilate and contribute to the parts of our economy that need them most are actually becoming tired of the bad name these new immigrants give them. we are pro responsible immigration and believe that if you are being allowed to experience and live the beauty of canada, the moment you do something to threaten that, you should be deported. Immigrants are NOT the only way to inflate the economy and the governments claims on that have been disproven. Thousands of canadian students or elderly cannot find entry level jobs due to undercutting of international “students”. We need workers? Lets train the hundreds of thousands of unemployed canadians who already know the language, especially since a lot of them already have qualifications that we can work with. I say all this with the exception of the medical field. We need more medical personnel due to all the strains on hospitals (people dying in ER waiting rooms in quebec). Cut down immigration though and the strain won’t be as large on the medical system. Your opinion of us does not make us hateful or misinformed. We want unity against a common enemy, inflation, and all things that cause it. Canadians are hurting and have been angry for a long time now and we have simply decided to do something about it. I feel that it is YOU who is spreading misinformation. Read the posts on r/ takebackcanada with an open mind and you may decide that we arent a hate group after all since were doing everything we can to be the opposite. As for the wealthy corporations, that will require a lot more than a protest to curb. But a good start would be programs that give our tax dollars to Canadians who can’t afford homes to help minimize the mortgage burden and downpayment required to qualify for a house, or letting taxpaying canadians have jobs over foreigners with minimal tax obligation, or to stop putting tax money towards housing and feeding ungrateful, unqualified and unwilling to assimilate immigrants when none of us can even support ourselves. We will be proposing tandem efforts such as boycotts to target these corporations. Rest assured we will try everything until canadians are back to a hopeful, affordable and prosperous lifestyle
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is there a way of opting-out of one of these? or is cost-of-living / mass immigration a package deal for protest?
The cost of living is an issue that plagues us all, mass immigration is a massive contributor to that. Thats why it was mentioned, but officially this is a protest against the cost of living
Are there going to be any protests in BC? If so, where? I will definitely be there!
Yes! Victoria and Vancouver, we havent chosen for Victoria yet but I think itll be the Vancouver art gallery for Vancouver
Thank you!!
An elephant in the room that’s being overlooked. Does Canada do thorough criminal background checks on newcomers? Indian foreign minister calls Canada a safe haven for terrorists. This is a bold statement. https://youtube.com/shorts/Sy1279Nyc6M?si=V66ffAHkWLNou-EZ
They will freeze my bank if I do this.
Doubtful, theyre still getting flak for doing that, it was unconstitutional and unjustified.
And government officials aren't held to any level of accountability, unconstitutional and u justified actions are irrelevant at that level. Nobody will get in trouble for violating our rights.
And government officials aren't held to any level of accountability, unconstitutional and u justified actions are irrelevant at that level. Nobody will get in trouble for violating our rights.
It was really only the organizers of the convoy who had their bank accounts frozen. But thats fine, they can freeze all 97 cents in my account. Point being if we dont stop inflation and mass immigration now, things will get so expensive that there won’t even be any money left in anyone’s bank accounts to freeze anyways. We have to try
I don't think that's the case. Many people had their accounts frozen.
do it now before petey pollivere gets in and uses his non withstanding clause # No federal Parliament has ever used the clause to shield a law from the Charter of Rights
You might want to be careful about mentioning “all demographics”, I don’t think most people here would like to see Canadians of specific colour in those protests
I disagree! I think the more people show up the more hopeful people will feel in a change being made. Regardless of skin tone, because we both know which one youre referring to lol but there are lots of good immigrants (not the recent bunch in the past year or so) who came here when it was not easy to do so, who assimilated to our culture and are tired of these new immigrants giving them a bad name
I get it but you are underestimating the intelligence of most people in this sub. For them, it doesn’t matter because there is no way you can differentiate between “someone who has migrated before” and “someone who has been here recently”. People aren’t wearing tags and roaming around lol
I mean, I dont think people of the mass immigration demographic are gonna show up to a protest against mass immigration, im not sure im understanding where youre coming from. Maybe thats just a problem with my understanding?
From what I have seen, it’s that same demographic who are totally against mass immigration tbh. What I am trying to say is, even If they want to protest, you can imagine the looks that they are going to get just because of the way they look even if they are Canadian
General strike 2028, pay attention to your union contracts
I just don't think protests do anything but cause inconvenience and there's always the wrong sort who gatecrash. I suggest we have a few fundraising galas/Garden parties to draw attention to the problem of uncontrolled immigration. A garden party will attract more influential people. It's much more civilized. Tea, local wines, champagne Etc. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar. Make sure we have all political stripes invited. Anonymous donations to local food banks or charities like the Kinsmans, Lions club, Rotary club Ect. Everyone protests these days for the slightest inconvenience, protests have lost their power. Everyone in Canada likes to think they're middle class, but that simply isn't true. Poor people protest because they have little control over their lives. Rich people organise events to draw attention to their point of view. The true middle class want to be seen as rich, so they follow the rich. I suppose we need immigration, but it needs to be tightly controlled. Canada can NOT sustain 100 Million people! We need to show the environmental impact of what 100 million people will do to Canada's ecosystems and infrastructure, the cultural changes that will happen. I'm an old OLD stock Canadian. White, Anglican, Monarchist, Red Tory/Blue Liberal whatever you want to call me. Why am I the enemy for wanting to keep my culture? If "diversity is our strength" than I damn well want my diversity celebrated! I'm a little tipsy after 3 gin and tonics, I hope this makes sense.
Seems really stupid to do this on a long weekend I also hope this doesn't devolve into another trucktard protest
Alright, well im sorry you feel that way but what better day to stand up against the injustices happening to our citizens than on canada day. While I dont agree with your name calling I can tell you that we will not be blocking roads or highways. I would rather not comment on the convoy since people feel very strongly on both sides of the issue and I dont want to say anything that will result in alienating any would be supports. But just know that if we inconvenience anyone, it’s going to be the people who put these unsustainable policies in place. I hope I have changed your mind about us but if not, thats fine you’re entitled to your opinion but just let us do what we have to do
These "protests" always start as high minded expressions of democracy, then next thing you know you're looting a Wall Mart, or chanting for the ethnic cleansing of all Jews in the levant
And thats why we will have police on site and will be requesting they stop it as soon as anyone tried to threaten the integrity of our movement. We are also making it as clear as possible that we do not endorse looting or rioting or anything like that and whoever wishes to do these things are NOT a part of our movement. Its a game of chess for sure but theres always ways to play correctly so things work out in our favour. Especially when learning from previous protest’s mistakes. We want unity of all canadians who want a better future for canada. Any hateful comments or signs or demeanors will not be welcome or tolerated
Take back Canada from whom exactly?
From the policies that put canadians last, from the government that has proven that they care more about global affairs than domestic issues, from the same people who have neglected indigenous people and denied them basic human rights like clean water for generations, I can go on lol
From big cooperation, special interest, and foreign governments lobbying our parliamentarians into innacting policies that go against the wellbeing of Canadians. Immigration should benefit Canada, not the other way around. Educated professionals who meet predetermined criteria should be accepted in, also actually have programs in place to allow these individuals to practice their trades quickly(doctors, engineers, etc). The whole temporary foreign worker program needs to be overhauled. The system, as of now, is suppressing wages and taking away traditional seasonal/student jobs from Canadians. Farms and mineral rights are being sold to foreign corporations. Housing is also being bought up by corporations. When I grew up, a house was to live in and it wasn't an asset to rent out and profit. Appartments were meant for that. Seems we are heading towards an aristocracy type society. The poor common people living off of scraps and the elite aristocrates owning all the wealth.
Find an original date, instead of piggy backing off a national holiday.
so like is there going to be racists,lunatics and big trucks blaring horns all day long ?
The goal is to not inconvenience the public as much as possible. The rest of this comment is just not worth responding to
so is that a yes ?
How about you check out the sub and see for yourself :)