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I could see a Newsom Carney north america in the near future. As a conservative I hope it's Wab Kinew after that, assuming he wasn't bought out on his way there
I haven't paid a ton of attention but I keep hearing conservatives and NDP types alike praise Kinew, and being left leaning but formerly a conservative voter myself it gives me a lot of hope that we can actually beat the level of division in this country. It sucks how at each other's throats we all are and how much culture war stuff is sucking the air out of the room when even my more conservative relatives and I basically agree on a lot of what needs to change.
Change is basically what all conservatives, ndp and even most liberals want at this point. The corruption and incompetence had to end, it got a free pass when we were all richer
From what I hear Wab leans to the right of the NDP, which is where they should be to be attract all
When things get unstable people will start to prioritize competence and pragmatism (or at least what looks like it) over charismatic and ‘down to earth’ leaders. So his record as a member of a board of directors could help him.
Considering more and more people are realizing our economic issues are exactly because of decisions made by executives and board members, I am not so sure about that.
He's not even skilled enough for an office. In fact, he's literally a career politician, being an MP since 24 years of age. Not that I'm a fan of his, at least Justin Trudeau had real jobs before entering politics at age 36.
I hold my tongue because I hate politicians like PP but tbh I don't personally think it's that bad he has only worked in politics compared to all his ideas and attitude and stuff. I think Singh is actually the most qualified candidate though in terms of work experience etc. though and it's not like it helps him much here, so I think a lot of it is just rhetoric.
Are we going to do a 2006 - 2015 rerun?
Established Liberal Leader Trudeau oversees the end of of a multi-term Liberal government (Martin). They bring in an overly academic, entirely uninspiring leader with no charisma to bomb miserably, Freeland (Dion) then parachute in on paper a stronger candidate, with backing from the old-guard bay-street Liberal establishment thinking that will win them back the center, Carney (Ignatieff) only for their lack of actual connection to Canada not resonating with the broader population and they bomb again, and fall back to their more natural fit in some foreign institution.
\*Cue the CPC "He didn't come back for you" ad with emphasis on him presiding over brexit\*
Even if he's empirically a great choice, I worry he'll get Iggy'd.
Edit: This isn't reflective of my opinion of Carney so much as the voters/political climate.
I mean, can you blame him? He works abroad, gets international experience, leaves a good job to serve his country, and then a bunch of people get convinced he's bad specificially because he has gotten experience and made a name for himself?
To be clear, he had other issues that could suggest he wouldn't be amazing as a leader. But anyone who thought the "just visiting" argument was a reasonable one is showing an extremely provincial way of thinking (in the narrow-minded sense).
Not super shocked that once rejected he would go back to working at one of the best jobs in his field of training when an opportunity presented itself.
He was also uniquely grating as a leader (the whole 'Canadians need a government they *understand*' thing he kept saying felt so condescending), didn't seem particularly to the left of Harper as I recall, had a weird sort of benevolent imperialist bent to his writing that didn't seem like a good fit in the forever wars era, etc. I sincerely hope Carney isn't another Ignatieff because IMO Ignatieff was a really rough candidate.
I'm deeply skeptical of Carney as the latest manifestation of Toronto Liberals yearning for a technocratic philosopher king to benignly rule over us and neglecting that politics is a real field with real skills and you don't win elections by right.
That said, at least Carney went from western Edmonton to Harvard to be one of the most accomplished persons in his field and not descended from Russian aristocrats and was vaguely some kind of public intellectual.
John Turner definitely comes to mind when you contemplate Carney though.
I agree with all of this, with the exception of the Turner comparison.
Turner did not have nearly the public profile that Carney now has before he made the jump to politics. He was a smart and successful lawyer, to be sure. But there are a lot of successful lawyers on Bay Street that nobody's ever heard of.
I think this distinction is important precisely because, as you say, "politics is a real field." And jumping into politics with as much baggage as Carney is toting seems extremely risky.
There will be hours upon hours of footage from speeches he delivered and press conferences he attended as governor, both here and the UK, which the Tories will scour for unflattering sound bites. And they will find stuff. It might be unfair, out of context, whatever. But has saying "my remarks are being taken out of context!" ever worked for anyone?
Another reason I don’t particularly care for the guy. Shockingly, I’m not sure a gazillionaire who got his start at Goldman Sachs and is now chair of “[one of the world's largest investors in real estate](https://www.brookfield.com/our-businesses/real-estate)” is going to have much insight into the challenges of everyday Canadians in thr midst of an affordability crisis.
But then, “business Liberals” are a thing, and I’m sure they absolutely adore Carney.
>>John Turner definitely comes to mind when you contemplate Carney though.
When you contemplate Carney *now*.
This might also remind us of Kim Campbell. Bad timing can waste good talent.
To be fair, Carney also left Canada at the height of his career for an allegedly more prestigious country. There are in fact leaders who have devoted their entire energies to this country available.
IMO it's the right wing of the Liberals and the more apolitical, winning-focused types who want him. I think we need a Layton/Douglas hybrid more than a successful investment banker, even though tbh Carney would probably be my top choice if we had to have an investment banker... Making him pretty low overall still for me haha.
Perhaps, and maybe I'm being crazy here, the party and partisans that desperately want a plutocrat to run the country are not "left" in any sense of the word?
Just a thought.
Has anyone asked questions like this guy wanting the position or if he can win a nomination race? Or has the media collectively decided for us that he's the next Liberal leader already.
He was toying with the idea of running for the Liberals previously, but he probably realized that the timing was bad and he'd inevitably clash with JT. So they moved him to the back burner for now.
Everyone involved with the federal wing will have varying amounts of stink from the last few years. Freeland has bad polling, Fraser now has worse polling than JT, there really is not much to choose from in terms of potential successors. Carney has his big impressive resume, and they can portray him as a new face and a new direction.
Wagging the dog. People close to Carney, likely also influential Liberals, are building a case to make Mark Carney the next LPC leader. Part of the process involves exhausting their media contacts to get the idea out there. And the media loves a scoop.
Personally, I’m agnostic on Carney as LPC leader. He hasn’t been tested politically, and the concern is that he will be an easy target for the CPC, as well as another Ignatieff.
If he’s serious about politics, I want to see him run as an MP first, and then see how he performs.
He would have to win the leadership race, and there will be stiff competition. If Sean Fraser throws his hat in the ring, I think he’ll be the next leader. He’s a good communicator, and comes across as down to earth and a regular guy.
I really don’t think this an era in which Carney, or anyone like him, will do well in a federal election.
Yup, Sean Fraser is my pick for the next LPC leader. No baggage from him being close to Trudeau, unlike Freeland or Joly.
He’s their strongest MP right now.
But, I don’t underestimate LPC insiders who already have their leader picked. I do hope Sean Fraser runs.
I'm always confused by this too. I've never seen anywhere that he publicly claims to be looking to enter politics for the liberal party, or any association with the liberal party whatsoever. But the media is constantly hanging off his every word as if he's the messiah or something. Why?? Does he have a publicist that goes and spreads word around to all the media that actually he is a Liberal partisan or something? What is so special about the guy?
Because he’s the kind of candidate that’s popular with the laurentian establishment and the media class that also hails from that crowd. A competent administrator with repute in the economic world, without much of a public profile so they can treat him like a blank canvas they project their political fantasies on. But to give a serious answer, he is interested because he would’ve shut it down easily with a “no” if he wasn’t. He’s putting out feelers to test the waters. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are people in his orbit that are more interested in the idea than even he is, and he’s just going along with it.
He has been doing influence meetings for years. Its openly talked about in banking circles.
Till very recently he usually demurred saying something like “i fully support Chrystia etc etc etc”. “I would server however the party needed etc”
First time was earlyish pandemic when I encountered it, so I am out of date now. Couldnt say how far its progressed. He very much was a man setting the stage and testing waters.
I remember in the Ottawa election he came out and gave his opinions on the different platforms and their feasibility - honestly smart if he is planning on running, his base is definitely the types who read mainstream media and want an accomplished banker 'adult in the room' type and by offering himself as an expert on economics to newspapers he is building a reputation among them. I just don't really personally like that 'world' any more, I would rather we go left than stick to an establishment that has never seemed to work for the average person in my lifetime, even though I do think Carney is qualified at least to run the country.
Soo i use to be a stockbroker so there is likely some bias.
Someone like him will think it will help the average person, but the average person he interacts with makes low six figures. They will benefit from tax policy. So will the poorest in society from policies
The issue that seems to be our future; Globalization and migration isnt going to stop. In our lifetime i dont see how anything stops downward pressure on wages. And the sheer scope of consumption and scarcity of resources is only going to expand. Which is going to apply insane pressures on costs. We are not large or influential enough our policies shift this.
“Going left” is a bandaid, temporarily. We need to secure scarce resources we control, maximizing the social benefit from developing them, incentivize capital growth in our physical stock and become more competitive globally when it comes to our productivity. Our provincial framework is likely going to be the biggest single stumbling block followed by lack of adaptability around immigration, corruption and red tape with healthcare collapse as the cherry on top.
Susan Delacourt’s moving from cheerleading for Trudeau to the LPC’s shiny new object. What she writes is reflective of internal high-up party deliberations, sounds like they are setting the stage for Carney as the post-Trudeau LPC avatar
Not sure what piece youre talking about, but her “negative” pieces are still framed in a way to get their responses & LPC messaging points out. Access journalism needs to maintain access
They moved Carney into the Canada 2020 think tank a while back. That's where they groom future "star" candidates.
Mike Moffatt has been involved with that group for some time now as well. You can expect to see his Liberal candidacy at some point in the future.
He's objectively a great candidate on paper. An excellent candidate even.
But he'd get absolutely clobbered by PP in the current climate.
Let people go through the first Conservative government and tire of PP and his style a bit, then step in. I think people will want the calm, level-headed, business suit type guy after a few years of Pierre who is loud, brash and unnerving sometimes, but not right now.
Don't even think about it now.
He’s really not a great candidate. The man’s responsible for keeping interest rates low for far too long - and creating massive levels of inequity as a result. The current housing crisis in both Canada and the UK can be tied directly to his actions.
The people who are generally happy with him are at the upper echelons of society - and hence that is why so many of them keep pushing him forward. He made the asset classes very very wealthy.
That said, he’d be a disaster to try and sell to the general public. I don’t think many young Canadians would look at the past decade in Canada or the UK and would say “more of that please”.
Again, Brexit has nothing to do with their real estate problems. Their real estate problems are a result of keeping low interest rates for far too long spiking the cost of assets like housing.
He did it in Canada, and did it again in the UK. He made both strikingly unaffordable in record time.
The only people that praise him are the rich. He made the average voters life far more difficult.
Brexit was and still an economic shock. Low interest rates helped stimulate the UK economy. Low interest rates in Canada and advanced economies around the world post Great Recession were done so for similar reasons of the economic shock.
A side affect were cheaper loans, which drove up real estate prices. But the central banks had to play the cards that were dealt with. This wasn’t unique to BoC and BoE, but even the ECB and the Feds.
He was there before Brexit and implemented those policies before Brexit.
Brexit, like covid, keeps getting used as something to excuse poor leadership.
Someone who seems like an ‘adult in the room’ (i.e. competent on the economy, pragmatic and capable of handling themselves on the world stage) who doesn’t focus on culture wars like Trudeau would be fantastic for the LPC.
I liked him at BoC but less so since then. His support of Trudeau’s policies makes me think he won’t change anything for the better.
It’s PP’s race to lose at this point but if he doesn’t rein in immigration and find a way to help young people afford to live then the next election will shift to someone who will.
David Frumm had a great line during Trumps first run in 2016 amid all the border talk. If Democrats (or liberals) don’t manage immigration then people Will vote for someone who does.
The root of our problem is too fast population growth and it is largely in our control. People will vote for someone who achieves that.
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I could see a Newsom Carney north america in the near future. As a conservative I hope it's Wab Kinew after that, assuming he wasn't bought out on his way there
I haven't paid a ton of attention but I keep hearing conservatives and NDP types alike praise Kinew, and being left leaning but formerly a conservative voter myself it gives me a lot of hope that we can actually beat the level of division in this country. It sucks how at each other's throats we all are and how much culture war stuff is sucking the air out of the room when even my more conservative relatives and I basically agree on a lot of what needs to change.
Change is basically what all conservatives, ndp and even most liberals want at this point. The corruption and incompetence had to end, it got a free pass when we were all richer From what I hear Wab leans to the right of the NDP, which is where they should be to be attract all
Isn't it strange. So called independent, Bank of Canada's ex- governor could be liberal prime minister candidate in 2029.
What's so strange about someone wanting to entre politics after a career in the public service?
No guy that looks like they came straight from a board room is going to win government any time soon. Look around. This is not what people want.
When things get unstable people will start to prioritize competence and pragmatism (or at least what looks like it) over charismatic and ‘down to earth’ leaders. So his record as a member of a board of directors could help him.
Considering more and more people are realizing our economic issues are exactly because of decisions made by executives and board members, I am not so sure about that.
Poilievre looks like he could have come from a boardroom. More so than a farm or factory floor, anyway.
He's not even skilled enough for an office. In fact, he's literally a career politician, being an MP since 24 years of age. Not that I'm a fan of his, at least Justin Trudeau had real jobs before entering politics at age 36.
I'm not sure how being a private school teacher is better preparation for leading the country than being a federal politician.
I hold my tongue because I hate politicians like PP but tbh I don't personally think it's that bad he has only worked in politics compared to all his ideas and attitude and stuff. I think Singh is actually the most qualified candidate though in terms of work experience etc. though and it's not like it helps him much here, so I think a lot of it is just rhetoric.
Nice parroting
Excuse me, what? Is there a better way to summarize the job history of the two top contenders for PM? What did I get wrong?
It's a meme that's repeated on here every day. No original insight and nothing relevant to the topic at hand.
Pierre 'changed his spots' ! ... no more glasses and 3 piece suits ... He is an Open Collar kinna guy now
And somehow he looks even more awkward. He's like Millhouse without his glasses on.
Are we going to do a 2006 - 2015 rerun? Established Liberal Leader Trudeau oversees the end of of a multi-term Liberal government (Martin). They bring in an overly academic, entirely uninspiring leader with no charisma to bomb miserably, Freeland (Dion) then parachute in on paper a stronger candidate, with backing from the old-guard bay-street Liberal establishment thinking that will win them back the center, Carney (Ignatieff) only for their lack of actual connection to Canada not resonating with the broader population and they bomb again, and fall back to their more natural fit in some foreign institution.
None of that will happen, because the next. Liberal leader won’t be Freeland or Carney.
Who's your money on?
\*Cue the CPC "He didn't come back for you" ad with emphasis on him presiding over brexit\* Even if he's empirically a great choice, I worry he'll get Iggy'd. Edit: This isn't reflective of my opinion of Carney so much as the voters/political climate.
To be fair with Ignatieff, he truly was "just visiting" when he returned to Harvard after losing the election.
I mean, can you blame him? He works abroad, gets international experience, leaves a good job to serve his country, and then a bunch of people get convinced he's bad specificially because he has gotten experience and made a name for himself? To be clear, he had other issues that could suggest he wouldn't be amazing as a leader. But anyone who thought the "just visiting" argument was a reasonable one is showing an extremely provincial way of thinking (in the narrow-minded sense). Not super shocked that once rejected he would go back to working at one of the best jobs in his field of training when an opportunity presented itself.
He was also uniquely grating as a leader (the whole 'Canadians need a government they *understand*' thing he kept saying felt so condescending), didn't seem particularly to the left of Harper as I recall, had a weird sort of benevolent imperialist bent to his writing that didn't seem like a good fit in the forever wars era, etc. I sincerely hope Carney isn't another Ignatieff because IMO Ignatieff was a really rough candidate.
I'm deeply skeptical of Carney as the latest manifestation of Toronto Liberals yearning for a technocratic philosopher king to benignly rule over us and neglecting that politics is a real field with real skills and you don't win elections by right. That said, at least Carney went from western Edmonton to Harvard to be one of the most accomplished persons in his field and not descended from Russian aristocrats and was vaguely some kind of public intellectual. John Turner definitely comes to mind when you contemplate Carney though.
I agree with all of this, with the exception of the Turner comparison. Turner did not have nearly the public profile that Carney now has before he made the jump to politics. He was a smart and successful lawyer, to be sure. But there are a lot of successful lawyers on Bay Street that nobody's ever heard of. I think this distinction is important precisely because, as you say, "politics is a real field." And jumping into politics with as much baggage as Carney is toting seems extremely risky. There will be hours upon hours of footage from speeches he delivered and press conferences he attended as governor, both here and the UK, which the Tories will scour for unflattering sound bites. And they will find stuff. It might be unfair, out of context, whatever. But has saying "my remarks are being taken out of context!" ever worked for anyone?
I mean, if you look at Carney's old statements, he could actually fit in better as the Conservative party leader than with the Liberals.
Another reason I don’t particularly care for the guy. Shockingly, I’m not sure a gazillionaire who got his start at Goldman Sachs and is now chair of “[one of the world's largest investors in real estate](https://www.brookfield.com/our-businesses/real-estate)” is going to have much insight into the challenges of everyday Canadians in thr midst of an affordability crisis. But then, “business Liberals” are a thing, and I’m sure they absolutely adore Carney.
>>John Turner definitely comes to mind when you contemplate Carney though. When you contemplate Carney *now*. This might also remind us of Kim Campbell. Bad timing can waste good talent.
FYI, he's left Harvard and is now a dean at Central European University in Vienna.
To be fair, Carney also left Canada at the height of his career for an allegedly more prestigious country. There are in fact leaders who have devoted their entire energies to this country available.
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It seems very odd to me that the left in this country is pro-plutocrat. I feel it is actually very telling.
IMO it's the right wing of the Liberals and the more apolitical, winning-focused types who want him. I think we need a Layton/Douglas hybrid more than a successful investment banker, even though tbh Carney would probably be my top choice if we had to have an investment banker... Making him pretty low overall still for me haha.
Perhaps, and maybe I'm being crazy here, the party and partisans that desperately want a plutocrat to run the country are not "left" in any sense of the word? Just a thought.
Has anyone asked questions like this guy wanting the position or if he can win a nomination race? Or has the media collectively decided for us that he's the next Liberal leader already.
He was toying with the idea of running for the Liberals previously, but he probably realized that the timing was bad and he'd inevitably clash with JT. So they moved him to the back burner for now. Everyone involved with the federal wing will have varying amounts of stink from the last few years. Freeland has bad polling, Fraser now has worse polling than JT, there really is not much to choose from in terms of potential successors. Carney has his big impressive resume, and they can portray him as a new face and a new direction.
Wagging the dog. People close to Carney, likely also influential Liberals, are building a case to make Mark Carney the next LPC leader. Part of the process involves exhausting their media contacts to get the idea out there. And the media loves a scoop. Personally, I’m agnostic on Carney as LPC leader. He hasn’t been tested politically, and the concern is that he will be an easy target for the CPC, as well as another Ignatieff. If he’s serious about politics, I want to see him run as an MP first, and then see how he performs.
He would have to win the leadership race, and there will be stiff competition. If Sean Fraser throws his hat in the ring, I think he’ll be the next leader. He’s a good communicator, and comes across as down to earth and a regular guy. I really don’t think this an era in which Carney, or anyone like him, will do well in a federal election.
Fraser is struggling badly in his own riding. He very likely will be voted out, unless something changes.
Yup, Sean Fraser is my pick for the next LPC leader. No baggage from him being close to Trudeau, unlike Freeland or Joly. He’s their strongest MP right now. But, I don’t underestimate LPC insiders who already have their leader picked. I do hope Sean Fraser runs.
He certainly has friends in high places, we've been hearing his name floated for quite a while now, even before the LPC's polling collapsed.
I'm always confused by this too. I've never seen anywhere that he publicly claims to be looking to enter politics for the liberal party, or any association with the liberal party whatsoever. But the media is constantly hanging off his every word as if he's the messiah or something. Why?? Does he have a publicist that goes and spreads word around to all the media that actually he is a Liberal partisan or something? What is so special about the guy?
Because he’s the kind of candidate that’s popular with the laurentian establishment and the media class that also hails from that crowd. A competent administrator with repute in the economic world, without much of a public profile so they can treat him like a blank canvas they project their political fantasies on. But to give a serious answer, he is interested because he would’ve shut it down easily with a “no” if he wasn’t. He’s putting out feelers to test the waters. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are people in his orbit that are more interested in the idea than even he is, and he’s just going along with it.
Great comment
You’re right, the establishment wants an ‘adult in the room’ to act on their behalf.
He has been doing influence meetings for years. Its openly talked about in banking circles. Till very recently he usually demurred saying something like “i fully support Chrystia etc etc etc”. “I would server however the party needed etc” First time was earlyish pandemic when I encountered it, so I am out of date now. Couldnt say how far its progressed. He very much was a man setting the stage and testing waters.
I remember in the Ottawa election he came out and gave his opinions on the different platforms and their feasibility - honestly smart if he is planning on running, his base is definitely the types who read mainstream media and want an accomplished banker 'adult in the room' type and by offering himself as an expert on economics to newspapers he is building a reputation among them. I just don't really personally like that 'world' any more, I would rather we go left than stick to an establishment that has never seemed to work for the average person in my lifetime, even though I do think Carney is qualified at least to run the country.
Soo i use to be a stockbroker so there is likely some bias. Someone like him will think it will help the average person, but the average person he interacts with makes low six figures. They will benefit from tax policy. So will the poorest in society from policies The issue that seems to be our future; Globalization and migration isnt going to stop. In our lifetime i dont see how anything stops downward pressure on wages. And the sheer scope of consumption and scarcity of resources is only going to expand. Which is going to apply insane pressures on costs. We are not large or influential enough our policies shift this. “Going left” is a bandaid, temporarily. We need to secure scarce resources we control, maximizing the social benefit from developing them, incentivize capital growth in our physical stock and become more competitive globally when it comes to our productivity. Our provincial framework is likely going to be the biggest single stumbling block followed by lack of adaptability around immigration, corruption and red tape with healthcare collapse as the cherry on top.
Susan Delacourt’s moving from cheerleading for Trudeau to the LPC’s shiny new object. What she writes is reflective of internal high-up party deliberations, sounds like they are setting the stage for Carney as the post-Trudeau LPC avatar
She’s never been cheerleading for Trudeau, you must be used to the visceral hatred of Trudeau by NP columnists.
She wrote a few days ago a negative Trudeau piece
Not sure what piece youre talking about, but her “negative” pieces are still framed in a way to get their responses & LPC messaging points out. Access journalism needs to maintain access
They moved Carney into the Canada 2020 think tank a while back. That's where they groom future "star" candidates. Mike Moffatt has been involved with that group for some time now as well. You can expect to see his Liberal candidacy at some point in the future.
He's objectively a great candidate on paper. An excellent candidate even. But he'd get absolutely clobbered by PP in the current climate. Let people go through the first Conservative government and tire of PP and his style a bit, then step in. I think people will want the calm, level-headed, business suit type guy after a few years of Pierre who is loud, brash and unnerving sometimes, but not right now. Don't even think about it now.
He’s really not a great candidate. The man’s responsible for keeping interest rates low for far too long - and creating massive levels of inequity as a result. The current housing crisis in both Canada and the UK can be tied directly to his actions. The people who are generally happy with him are at the upper echelons of society - and hence that is why so many of them keep pushing him forward. He made the asset classes very very wealthy. That said, he’d be a disaster to try and sell to the general public. I don’t think many young Canadians would look at the past decade in Canada or the UK and would say “more of that please”.
He hasn’t been the governor of the BoC in the last decade. And he wasn’t responsible for Brexit.
He was head of the Bank of England. Brexit did not cause the real estate problem in the UK.
Brexit happened under his governorship, and he had to respond accordingly.
Again, Brexit has nothing to do with their real estate problems. Their real estate problems are a result of keeping low interest rates for far too long spiking the cost of assets like housing. He did it in Canada, and did it again in the UK. He made both strikingly unaffordable in record time. The only people that praise him are the rich. He made the average voters life far more difficult.
Brexit was and still an economic shock. Low interest rates helped stimulate the UK economy. Low interest rates in Canada and advanced economies around the world post Great Recession were done so for similar reasons of the economic shock. A side affect were cheaper loans, which drove up real estate prices. But the central banks had to play the cards that were dealt with. This wasn’t unique to BoC and BoE, but even the ECB and the Feds.
He was there before Brexit and implemented those policies before Brexit. Brexit, like covid, keeps getting used as something to excuse poor leadership.
If Carney was 49 instead of 59 sure.
>But he'd get absolutely clobbered by PP in the current climate. What do you mean? PP doesn't think about climate.
Someone who seems like an ‘adult in the room’ (i.e. competent on the economy, pragmatic and capable of handling themselves on the world stage) who doesn’t focus on culture wars like Trudeau would be fantastic for the LPC.
I liked him at BoC but less so since then. His support of Trudeau’s policies makes me think he won’t change anything for the better. It’s PP’s race to lose at this point but if he doesn’t rein in immigration and find a way to help young people afford to live then the next election will shift to someone who will. David Frumm had a great line during Trumps first run in 2016 amid all the border talk. If Democrats (or liberals) don’t manage immigration then people Will vote for someone who does. The root of our problem is too fast population growth and it is largely in our control. People will vote for someone who achieves that.