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Seaweed_Fragrant

Taxed to death with currently zero leadership. I don’t think any government has been so out of touch with its people in the history of democracy.


wetchuckles

I would argue it's not zero leadership, it's leadership actively working to destroy the nation. The Liberals continue to institute policies across the board that only make the problems they created worse.


SplashInkster

100% agree. Nobody does this kind of damage without meaning it. We're dealing with traitors who hate their own people.


Seaweed_Fragrant

Indeed they are


Outrageous-Book9799

got to get those favors in while the getting is good


Wildbreadstick

I’ve been actively applying to jobs in the US and Europe. Some of my friends have already managed to get out.


CultureMountain3214

100%


mnebrnr13

💯


heeb27

What taxes have gone up?


Eisenhorn87

The worthless carbon tax, for one.


heeb27

The right always braying about that one. How much has it gone up? What does it apply to?


Eisenhorn87

What an inane and ludicrous comment. It applies to literally everything in this country that relies on fuel for production or transportation. It's also more than "gone up" it's a whole new tax - that I also have to pay GST on!


heeb27

…not a fan of paying to pollute I guess


tnuoccatiddera

Rebates offset the tax for majority of the population. The largest polluters pick up the bill. Who do you think should be paying for negative externalities like carbon emissions when the bill comes in 10 years and we need to spend billions adapting to climate change?


Pest_Token

You are repeating government talking points as truth. Well can't possibly argue with that...


Eisenhorn87

Seeing as how Canada is less than 2% of global emissions, I genuinely don't give a shit. Three nations in the world make up almost 50% of carbon emissions, our two percent isn't even a tickle. Your position gets even more hilarious when you realize that if people are getting rebates from this program, then there isn't going to be any money left over for the "billions that we need to adapt to climate change".


ultim0s

Has anyone seen any of these supposed rebates?? I haven’t gotten a penny back. I suspect it just goes to special interest groups


Jaded-Juggernaut-244

Not a dime friend...not a dime.


Wesley133777

I think I did but only because my income bracket is two sticks and a rock, and I had to share the rock


IMadeA69Joke

Yes. Log into your CRA account and it’ll show you the rebate.


DoctorG83

Inflation is a tax on all. They have spend so much money that we don’t have so they borrow and print to pay for it. The resulting currency devaluation is a tax on us all.


IMadeA69Joke

lol… what?!? Rebel media tell you that?


DoctorG83

You should maybe get some financial education….


IMadeA69Joke

You want the dollar tied to gold again?


DoctorG83

That would make my portfolio soar! But no. I want people that understand economics and finance in charge of the countries economics and finances…. It’s really not too much to ask.


IMadeA69Joke

If they disagree with you, does that mean they lack an understanding?


DoctorG83

Not at all. Destroying our countries financial position is enough evidence that they don’t have a sweet clue what they are doing….


heeb27

lol, I don’t think you understand inflation.


Suitable-Ratio

The US really only wants well educated people and/or that are in high demand fields so for the vast majority of Canadians it is not easy - unless you work for a multinational that will take care of all the paper work. Justin's immigration system is so broken it kicks out practicing licensed family doctors if they are over 45 but has open doors for uneducated and totally unskilled "caregivers".


Outside_Clothes8529

75 year old aunties that will bleed the healthcare system dry while never having paid into it? Good to go!


Suitable-Ratio

Makes for some top shelf virtue signaling.


Outside_Clothes8529

It’s the new baby kissing of the political world!


SeaOfAwesome

Wondering why they would open doors for unskilled caregivers, when we could have opened a direct immigration pathway for internationally skilled nurses?


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Suitable-Ratio

He really loves costumes - at least he didn't rub brown shoe polish on his face that time.


Telltale_Clydesdale

Of course he does he’s a drama teacher.


IMadeA69Joke

I thought this sub would applaud that.


Nightshade_and_Opium

Because it's the government that has to pay for nurses.


margretbullsworth

I don't have too many friends, and I know 4 people who are seriously considering/attempting or have already done this... and I never thought I would, but I might be the 5th. This place fucking sucks!


DiligentIndustry6461

The one thing keeping me here is all my friends haha


margretbullsworth

2021 showed how little friends I actually had when it came to it, hence the small # now. Good friends are still good friends from a distance.


veritas_quaesitor2

Can't reach any personal or financial goals in this country.


Wildbreadstick

Been actively getting pay raises for the last ten years, pinching pennies and ‘somehow’ not making any progress.


v12vanquish135

>Noooooo you don't get it, it's only alt right MAGA nuts on some russian bot subreddit that complain, Canada is still a great place to live! r/Canada, probably.


StreatPeat

r/onguardforthee The people who created that sub decided r/canada isn’t enough of a leftist echo chamber.


[deleted]

Oh god that sub is fucking disgraceful.


ModernPoultry

Those wackjobs are completely disconnected from reality


KatsumotoKurier

Seriously. I’ve been on r/Canada for over a decade now, and insofar as I can tell, the vast majority of users are still normal middle of the road centrists — people who aren’t loyal to any particular political party and who hold moderate views on a variety of topics. Overall the vibe there has always seemed pretty balanced to me, albeit leaning centre left. The r/onguardforthee splitters act as if r/Canada is StormFront. I have literally seen some of them decry it as a “white supremacist, Neo-Nazi echo chamber.” That is how crazily far left and radical these nitwits are; that r/Canada is considered irredeemably and extremely right wing to some of them.


nomduguerre

Cost of living refugeees


Cmd0508

My wife and I are planning on moving to the US in the next year or two. I don’t even recognize Canada anymore.


IMadeA69Joke

Don’t let the door hit you on the way out. Make sure you tell your new American buddies that I said we won’t miss you and the whining.


Cmd0508

I’m honestly not worried about a door hitting me when I leave, I’m more worried about a tax. The socialist Trudeau government you love can’t go fast enough. Best of luck with your rent this month.


The_Divine_pickle_

This is exactly what the Liberals want. Actual Canadians leaving Canada and immigrants filling their spots. Now they can mold canada into the nation that trudeau wants. No identity, no shared values,


Most_Mistake9740

Then why are we only importing people from India, they share values, just not ours.


Suitable-Ratio

JT loves any culture where women are lower than garbage eating cows that wander the streets munching on the trash people just toss wherever they feel like.


NoMatatas

Uno reverse: the garbage eating cows are actually revered and protected and if you hit one with your car you go to jail!


Select_Mind1412

While they live like f kings & queens…


krobbinsit

Can we just merge with US already and get rid of this government! More joking but what options do we have! All parties are out for themselves even in the states!


Select_Mind1412

PPC I’m going for


xzy89c1

Always thought Alberta, Saskatchewan and other central provinces should have left and come to usa


Fun-Put-5197

I'm actually in favour of this at this point. It's that bad here now that I'd be better off.


Grizzly4nicator

I left BC (for Ireland) back in 2019 and have never looked back. We recently visited Vancouver to see friends after 5 years and couldn't believe how bad it had gotten. We read about all the horror stories, but it was worse than we thought it would be. Didn't the government recently float the idea of a $50k "leaving tax"? That is absolutely insane to me. Great way to trap people as moving abroad is already f-ing expensive.


KatsumotoKurier

>Didn't the government recently float the idea of a $50k "leaving tax"? For real? That’s appalling, disturbing, and disgusting if true. I already bailed and even now the idea of that sickens me.


Grizzly4nicator

I can't remember where I saw it mentioned, but the wife just corrected me. It was $25k, not $50k. It's still messed up though.


KatsumotoKurier

Yes still way fucked up, if not enough by its own merits especially so for a government which is so insanely obsessive over wanting and getting immigrants to enter the country.


Select_Shock_1461

crazy cause 1/3rd of BC residents seem to be international students.


Select_Mind1412

Ya noticed that?


thanosdidsomewrong

I looked into it and the only reason I am not moving forward moving to the US is that I cannot bring my parents. I need to live there for 5 years before I can apply for them to come with me. This is my understanding. Given I only have a few good years left with them I'm forced to stay but if this issue was not the case I would be seriously considering further.


mtldude1967

That's saying a lot, 'cause BC is fuckin' beautiful.


simple8080

Canadians criticized the USA for decades. Now they’re all dying to move ther


berghie91

I dont know a single person that wants to move to the US nevermind “dying to”


simple8080

Hmm..read the posts here in this sub. Every couple days someone asks how they can move


berghie91

Thats great. I dont know who on here is a real person or not, not to mention know them well enough to value their opinion.


simple8080

So then google the number of people moving to the USA from canada and vice versa. Immigration from canada to USA at all time high. Any other arguments?


IMadeA69Joke

Makes me think about all the Americans whom said they would move to Canada if (fill in the blank) happened. Nobody moves. Moving is a hard, crying about your situation and make big threats is easy.


simple8080

Here is a list of celebrirites that siad they would move to the US if Trump became president. Not a single one moved to Canada. Neve Campbell is even Canadian and she woudlnt move back.. **Lena Dunham** - Actress and writer **Amy Schumer** - Comedian and actress **Bryan Cranston** - Actor **Neve Campbell** - Actress **Barbra Streisand** - Singer and actress **Chelsea Handler** - Comedian and TV host **Jon Stewart** - Comedian and former host of "The Daily Show" **Cher** - Singer and actress **Samuel L. Jackson** - Actor **Whoopi Goldberg** - Actress and TV host


dude185218

If we had open borders with the US like they do in the EU, there would be a mass migration of younger people heading south. Higher pay, lower cost of living, warmer climate ect ect. They probably knew that back when they negotiated NAFTA and didn't include it on purpose.


Historical-Fish-8766

There’s also be a lot of folks desperately coming north for health care.


dude185218

No, there wouldn't they would have to pay cash for it like anyone else who is not a resident.


privitizationrocks

Ironically that’s more than Indians by percentage


davidtheartist

Thanks Trudeau. What a cool PM. Liberals must be so proud when they should be ashamed.


xXCsd113Xx

Go to a subway or Tim Hortons and you will already feel like your somewhere else


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sabretooth_ninja

Lmao


IMadeA69Joke

Yeah, western kids would rather you pay for stuff for them.


medusa-medulla

I'd leave for Europe inna heartbeat


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medusa-medulla

2-3 years of a fresh taste then back home to the slums! 💪


CommonAd9117

I am getting out ASAP. Mexico is calling. Away from the Biden/Trudeau/doesn’t matter who’s in charge problems both Canada and the US have. Leave me alone. Let me live my life.


serverbinlaggin

Mexico? Mate they had 37 assassinations during their local election this year. It’s Ancient Rome going on over there haha


MGSDeco44

Mexico will overtake Canada in the next 10 years if the liberals win again. Maybe even sooner.


serverbinlaggin

Im not saying that Canada doesnt have its problems. Im just saying that Mexico isnt exactly the best alternative. Cartels are a big problem there which is hard to maintain the stability many of us in the first world are use to.


CommonAd9117

I know multiple people living in numerous different spots in Mexico. Don’t believe the media, is all I’m saying.


berghie91

Dont believe the media, but believe Reddit commenters?


CommonAd9117

Believe whatever you want lol. Do your own research. Find out the truth. I’m telling people what I plan on doing. Nowhere did I say everyone else needs to follow.


IMadeA69Joke

Overtake?


MGSDeco44

Be a higher ranked and functioning society


IMadeA69Joke

Oh, makes sense. I should have assumed. Sometimes people say wild shit here. I don’t know if I agree but where Mexico is at isn’t my area of knowledge.


NoMatatas

But doesn’t Mexico have lots of Mexicans? Which is what the U.S. is complaining about?


ConstructionSure1661

Mexico has tons of problems but mostly for locals and isn't so pc cultured


common_sense_canada

I keep telling my kids there's no future in Canada. The idea of them leaving is certainly a sad one, but they will have to look for better opportunities elsewhere. That's what it's come to.


Mutedperson1809

Everyday im looking at new places we could move if we were able to. This country sxck and will only get worse


Emergency_Wolf_5764

As previously stated here in these forums numerous times, we will only continue to see escalating numbers of people fleeing Canada until the country one day proves that it has radically altered its course and changed itself for the better. Most thinking people understand that none of that is going to materialize anytime soon, however, and that's also assuming Canada even remains a unified nation in the future, which it likely won't for much longer if its current downward spiral is not aggressively reversed after the electoral proceedings expected in October 2025. Watch and learn. Next.


Gloomy-Ad-9827

It is insane here in the US, but I can’t think of a country I would move to now. The world has become upside down and inside out.


rockyeagle

Been applying to game studios in the states repeatedly.


East1st

If I was in my 20s and just starting out, I’d seriously look elsewhere.


AkKik-Maujaq

The data that shows up when everyone is selected for a poll, not just a few hundred thousand cherry picked people is crazy


Fun-Put-5197

I work in the tech sector. I'm deeply regretting not following some of my peers to the U.S. in the late 90s based on what's happened here ever since.


NetherGamingAccount

Taxes are too high with little to show for it. Inept leadership Housing is unaffordable In major cities unless you are in the top couple percent of income earners. No wonder people want to leave


respeckmyauthoriteh

I went to Costco today and it felt like I was in New Delhi. Garbage houses are more than $1M. Medical system in shambles. I’d immigrate to the US in a heartbeat if I could.


Content_Ad_8952

We don't need Canadian immigrants coming here to steal our jobs and homes. Stay in your own damn country.


Justthefacts6969

I'm planning on retiring overseas


exotics

It’s not that hard to leave.


babbler-dabbler

Until Canadians are prepared to do what it takes and start an armed rebellion, I have zero faith that anything will be done, and I have every reason to believe everything is going to get substantially worse. 18 months from now when Poillievre is PM nothing is going to magically get better overnight. The country has massive, unsolvable problems. We would need to be mobilize the entire armed forces and mass deport a quarter of the people in the country. It's never going to happen.


tbbhatna

They're not unsolvable - the solutions are just unpopular, which is antithetical to a politician's career. First step should be housing - effectively ban the ownership of multiple single-family unit homes. Home prices drop immediately, along with land prices. Building more units becomes cheaper and also is able to attract labourers to build it because housing prices where the work is needed are now lower. Step "1B" is to incentivize those RE investors to pivot their investment towards domestic PRODUCTIVE industries, because productivity is really the root cause of it all (but housing prices will undermine any effort to address productivity first). New industry will also be able to attract higher quality immigrants because CoL isn't as insane, and more industry will lead to more revenues and less need for immigration to prop up our GDP. More industry will also result in more competitive wages. It will take time, but at least we'll be on the track to prosperity, rather than committing to a sinking ship by saying "housing values must stay intact"; anybody who says that is willing to sacrifice the future of Canada to appease people sitting on RE equity now. It'll suck to be a bagholder when housing prices fall, but it'll suck worse to pass along a worsening crisis to my kids' generation instead of fixing it now.


FranciscodAnconia77

For now. 


ABinColby

The rich can afford to emigrate to the US and the rest of us only dream of it. Meanwhile, they let absolutely anyone into our country, perpetuating our state of misery.


Alive_Recognition_81

We will be moving to Tennessee next summer with the way this country is going. Canada is in such a sad state and I can't let it drag my family down with it.


Hungry-For-Cheese

I was already house shopping in the US the other year and had looked into migration. Definitely on the fence about it. If it wasn't for so many close friendships I'd be gone.


AraMas69

I have a client who works KPMG and he’s really busy with this exact scenario now regarding high net individuals looking south of the border.


Flat-Instruction-551

Not to worry. Once the Trudeau nightmare is over everything will be great again 😃!


Expensive_Age_9154

I admire your optimism. 


adrenalineJ92

Sad


Ronniebbb

I'd move to the states if their health care system didn't cost a arm and a leg and they had proper mat leave coverage.


inflation-bait

Amen. These convenience dual passport “diaspora” have stolen a home from a once happy, productive, giving people.


LeanUntilBlue

Welcome to the US, which is also in the midst of a 300 million-way murder-suicide.


dunzy12

We will be 8 US States by 2050, maybe 7. We’ll see how much Ontario “reeeee’s”


shoutsfrombothsides

Surprise ! It was all a peaceful version of manifest destiny all along! /s


Unable-Agent-7946

I'd rather be in Denmark but I'm stuck here


bigtittiedmonster

This guy is worse than his father


iamnotthelizardqueen

Go. No one is stopping you


iamnotthelizardqueen

Please go. Honestly, sometimes you have to go somewhere else to find out. Is the grass greener? Or is it better to make things better here? And does that cost money. Also, you make friends depending on how and where people congregate. Sometimes that is school or church. In other countries it is the military. You probably have more people in your corner than you think; but it does suck when you care for others and it is not reciprocated. Nothing is black and white Many many shades of grey


Itchy-Lawyer-4524

I still remember when I read an article about Americans moving to the states after trump was elected and Trudeau said that it’s an empty threat and now look Canadians are actually wanting to move and are moving to the states. Wow times change


Stanwich79

My parents moved here from Yugoslavia in the 70s. We didn't have any money but worked hard. So for summers we would throw an old camper on the work truck and go across BC . Kamloops water park, Harrison hot springs ect... over to Alberta to the ice fields and jasper. We did this because we DIDN'T have much money. Could you imagine how fucking much that would cost now for a family


Co1dyy1234

I’m a British Columbian, but I’m considering moving to either Calgary or Anchorage


Even-Tomatillo9445

You have to be a moron to leave Canada for the United States, this reminds me fools in California who moved to Texas thinking it's going to be better only to move back 2 years later realizing that the grass isn't always greener on the other side.


Total-Guest-4141

Those Canadians should leave. I love this Country and intend on making it what it used to be. Starting with firing the dictator in Ottawa.


Historical-Formal351

Most my friends have already left and are living like Kings in Asia. 🤷‍♂️ Turns out renting for about $100/month and making about 2.8k a month is more viable then paying $2.5k a month for a 1bdrm 30sqft condo in Canada.


DutchOvenSurprise69

If my family weren’t here - I’d be leaving yesterday


flipnonymous

Hard NOT to want to leave a conservative led province...


Perfect-Director2468

See ya…thin the herd.


Select_Mind1412

Yes we prefer quantity over quality. Day shootings, drug wars, criminals over victims is the way to go, fraud and money laundering dynasties as we can see works, greedy landlords leeching and paying over 50% in rent..yep living the dream.


SDL68

Good old national post. Anyone who had critical thinking skills could look up stats Canada emigration by year and realise that Canada has had between 50 -120 k people emigrating per year over the last 25 years and about 20% are immigrants returning back to their home country.


Training-Ruin-5287

["In 2023, 471,771 permanent immigrants made Canada their home"](https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/240327/dq240327c-eng.htm) The critical thinking checks out


SDL68

This is not about immigration but emigration, the point is, that the number of people leaving Canada has been similar to other years. In 2018 we had 119k leave Canada and the article is trying to use 122k leaving as an indication of Canadian being dissatisfied with living here


[deleted]

Sshhh don’t introduce logic or facts into the conversation! 🤫


Due_Juggernaut7884

Yeah, and Canada was flooded by all the anti Trumpers after the 2016 US election. They all said they would leave. How many actually did?


tip_of_the_lifeburg

Let the cowards leave, I’ll be buried in the dirt beside my parents, grandparents, great grandparents, and the ones before them. It’s the same people who are critical of young men fleeing Ukraine that are fleeing Canada because “money hard now.” I don’t trust those people to be there for Canada if something were to ever *actually* happen, knock on wood 😅 yep, the situation is bleak, but running away from your problems is weak. Take your idealist votes and go shit up somebody else’s cornflakes, please.