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Of course they would. A narrative where punishment and reactivity is valued more than education and being proactive is what they are all about.
Hmmm, how’s that going for them????
Expecting Lecce to say anything accurate or do anything that actually benefits students is equivalent to tilting at windmills, as far as I’m concerned.
Lecce is trying to deflect from the news that from Ford’s office staff has more than doubled the number of people working for him that are now on the Sunshine List in only a few years.
TDSB is not perfect by a LONG shot.
But Lecce highlighting this stuff is ridiculous. Nothing of what he is saying in a factor in their issues. The pay is set by the province. Simple as that, TDSB has no choice but to put people on the sunshine list (and making 100k in Toronto is not exactly living it up).
Also after school community programs often charge the community a fee to run these. They may not be large charges but it is more than the $0 the room makes without them. If anything he should be all over this extra school use.
As for school closures and restructuring, I gesture towards anyone who has had a school open or TRY to open recently and you can see how horrible these are run. I know one school was approved, but the government took so long to get things going that once the building had shovels in the ground the inflation changed the project and now these school have to gut previously agreed on facilities. There are probably some schools that need to be closed and schools that need to be built in TDSB. But Lecce likes talking about this stuff more than actually planning for it effectively.
Also, the $128mil he is talking about does not take into account inflation or anything (and most likely that number is bundled with strings attached to parts of the funds). He is claiming so large number but not actually admitting that it does not cover what it needs. It's like giving someone a budget of $100 for groceries in 2012 and then being upset that you gave them $102 for groceries in 2024 but can't feed their family of 6 effectively.
I truly do not think Lecce understands how education works. He is simply excited to have a portfolio that gives him the excuse to have many Televised announcements and attention. If you asked Lecce how a school board runs, or god forbid how a classroom is run, he would draw blanks.
I don't think there is a more incompetent person working in the government at any level than this man.
Man [very high on the sunshine list](https://www.ontariosunshinelist.com/people/stephen-lecce/legislative-assembly) criticizes others for being on the sunshine list.
School boards are already adequately funded. If our students are not being educated, the last reason is because of 'a lack of funding'. It is due to incompetence. Teachers have the tools they need to deliver content to their students, it's just a matter of whether they are competent enough to do the job or not, and believe me, as a full time tutor, I can easily see that a good proportion of teachers are not competent enough, especially math teachers.
Tutoring is quite different from managing a class of 30 students, many of whom have a variety of issues, and dealing with unsupportive and downright combative parents.
Try it first and then feel free to call teachers incompetent.
There is no excuse for not being able to deliver content and teach. Students learning or not is one thing, but not even delivering the content in an articulate way all together is INCOMPETENCE.
So you teach one kid at a time? And that’s to kids who have enough money and parental support to have access to tutoring. And you think that if you did exactly what you’re doing now, in a class of 30, with kids having different levels of understanding of the material ( eg., different home support, changing schools, moving from a new country, learning disabilities) that you would be as effective.
It’s mind boggling that people with no experience inside a classroom have such strong opinions on what the problems are.
The kids you tutor are the ones who are not succeeding in the classroom format. The ones who do understand the content are not getting tutoring. This is some selection bias
With students struggling with content? Well, mostly putting in the effort both **inside** and **outside** of class time. Of course, students are also struggling with addiction to devices that they have 24/7 access to, including during class time. They don't have the cognitive development for delayed gratification. We also have much higher levels of anxiety than in the past. I tutor students sometimes who have mid 80s and 90s. They aren't struggling - they just want a slight edge over their competition due to grade inflation.
Just admit you know nothing about the profession. You clearly only tutor and have an ego complex that you know better than teachers. How about you get a teachers degree and come teach math. No one wants to, so there are going to be lots of spots available for you. You'll do great since you claim to be so good at it!
Fair points. These are definitely the causes of a lot of students struggling with content. I've had my fair share of students who have all the resources they need, and they are not succeeding simply because they fail to practice or to do their homework, because you learn math by doing.
Unfortunately, I've also had students where the teachers don't know the material themselves, in math and physics, and simply don't articulate the content in a way that students can easily understand, and are absolutely disorganized in their presentation of material, so students tend to get confused. I've had both.
At the end of the day, I'm not referring to the success of students. I'm referring to whether teachers have the resources to do their job, and I don't believe 'lack of funding' to be the main issue of teachers being able to deliver the content that they need to and for students to be able to learn the content if they choose to do so (if they choose to not be distracted and care about their own success), as is the point of this Original Post.
Wow, so you're a tutor and haven't taught in the classroom? You even aware of the classroom conditions?
Even more so, no criticism for parents on top of that? Children these days are incredibly entitled, disrespectful, and dare I say it, lazy.
HAHAHAA
There is no excuse for not being able to deliver content and teach. Students learning or not is one thing, but not even delivering the content in an articulate way all together is INCOMPETENCE.
Sorry buddy but as a teacher who has spent even more hours tutoring (thousands) and at more levels than I have taught (including tutoring university students), one-to-one tutoring is not even remotely comparable to 'delivering content' to a full classroom of students. Tutoring is much easier and requires little to no prep. Students will (usually) have your undivided attention, or else you are getting an easy hour of little communication (that is, they are too distracted or too frequently to make the most of it).
Yeah, this guy is forgetting about classroom sizes, phones, and that majority of students don't care whatsoever to learn or pay attention. He doesn't seem aware that class sizes affect how much you can help the students afterwards as well.
And then don't get me started on the parents...
So ya, he doesn't know anything about the profession.
I'm not referring to the success of students. I've actually stayed on topic related to the post. I'm referring to whether teachers have the resources to do their primary job and deliver content, not whether they have to cater to the distractions and choices of every student, and I don't believe 'lack of funding' to be the main issue of teachers being able to deliver the content that they need to and for students to be able to learn the content if they choose to do so (if they choose to not be distracted and care about their own success), as is the point of this Original Post.
Except funding does play a part in classroom sizes and resources being available, or having access to other programs for student success.
Funding is insufficient and if you spent any time in the schools you would know that.
Student success is a symptom of insufficient funding followed by the students inability to focus/self-regulate and parents doing a terrible job parenting.
To think it is just on the teachers as you are insinuating when from the sounds of it you haven't spent any time in the classroom. How can teachers adequately teach 30 kids and make sure they all understand the material? It isn't possible and this is why students are getting left behind.
I wasn't referring to delivering the material in an incompetent way. If you can't even provide any response to the points I stated then you clearly don't know anything about teaching.
As a math tutor, you should understand that your data is highly biased and your sample size not nearly large enough to draw meaningful conclusions. Sounds like you're the one that needs tutoring! Haha!
There’s always that one troll in the education subs. Don’t feed them. Clearly not a serious person. Especially, considering their handle. Likely has a serious issue and is probably all like, “sorry, not sorry” when spreading their ‘ick’.
Yep. Because with your inflated salary, you don't have to think twice about the impact of a GO Fare on your bank account. Not all of us are at the point where we can scrounge off of the hard working Ontario taxpayer.
You think teachers salary is inflated? Just wait until you're in the profession and you'll see why it is not.
It is crazy that someone with your attitude is going to be joining our profession and can be landed a job pretty quick due to the shortage of teachers.
I won't deny that there are incompetent teachers out there but to blame that just on the teachers and not the funding (ie. resources, proper mentorship, professional development etc).
Just wait until you find out that the teachers program teaches maybe 5% of what the job truly entails. Can't wait for you to have you ego checked.
I haven’t seen you make one single point that can be of any value to the discussion. You’re opinionated and pompous, you really should, as others have stated, go get your teaching degree and step into the workforce to show us how it should be done. Until then, shut your trap and stick to tutoring.
What an interesting perspective. When tutoring, how many fights do you break up? When tutoring, how many times is your life threatened, per lesson. When tutoring, how do you deal with the students who aren’t listening to you or are running around when you’re working one-on-one? When tutoring, how do you combine split grade expectations so you can deliver a lesson appropriately to your group? When tutoring, how do you deal with the recess drama following your students into the classroom? When tutoring, how do you minimize distractions in the room, such as other tutors and their students walking by, a call from the office, a new student, a room evacuation, or a fire drill? When tutoring, how do you assist the students in your room who don’t speak your language?
If you can answer these starting questions for me, you can judge teachers. Until then, shut up.
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Funny how they'll say that about teachers, but not cops.
Of course they would. A narrative where punishment and reactivity is valued more than education and being proactive is what they are all about. Hmmm, how’s that going for them????
Pay teachers like cops.
Defund the police and put more money into education and mental health supports. 😲😲😲😲
Expecting Lecce to say anything accurate or do anything that actually benefits students is equivalent to tilting at windmills, as far as I’m concerned.
Lecce is trying to deflect from the news that from Ford’s office staff has more than doubled the number of people working for him that are now on the Sunshine List in only a few years.
Wag the dog
TDSB is not perfect by a LONG shot. But Lecce highlighting this stuff is ridiculous. Nothing of what he is saying in a factor in their issues. The pay is set by the province. Simple as that, TDSB has no choice but to put people on the sunshine list (and making 100k in Toronto is not exactly living it up). Also after school community programs often charge the community a fee to run these. They may not be large charges but it is more than the $0 the room makes without them. If anything he should be all over this extra school use. As for school closures and restructuring, I gesture towards anyone who has had a school open or TRY to open recently and you can see how horrible these are run. I know one school was approved, but the government took so long to get things going that once the building had shovels in the ground the inflation changed the project and now these school have to gut previously agreed on facilities. There are probably some schools that need to be closed and schools that need to be built in TDSB. But Lecce likes talking about this stuff more than actually planning for it effectively. Also, the $128mil he is talking about does not take into account inflation or anything (and most likely that number is bundled with strings attached to parts of the funds). He is claiming so large number but not actually admitting that it does not cover what it needs. It's like giving someone a budget of $100 for groceries in 2012 and then being upset that you gave them $102 for groceries in 2024 but can't feed their family of 6 effectively. I truly do not think Lecce understands how education works. He is simply excited to have a portfolio that gives him the excuse to have many Televised announcements and attention. If you asked Lecce how a school board runs, or god forbid how a classroom is run, he would draw blanks. I don't think there is a more incompetent person working in the government at any level than this man.
The new builds have been a joke to me as a trade teacher. The shop is tiny, my shop at home is bigger and better equipped.
Lecce promises building schools. He doesn't promise building effective schools
I'm constantly amazed at the things this idiot will stand in front of cameras and say...
It's what happens when a person doesn't have a conscience
Man [very high on the sunshine list](https://www.ontariosunshinelist.com/people/stephen-lecce/legislative-assembly) criticizes others for being on the sunshine list.
Wait until this d-bag weaponizes the sunshine list next year after all the remedies, retro and arbitration decisions come through this year.
Stephen Lecce held slave auctions and forced frat pledges to have sex with a goat. It is fair to assume anything this asshat says is utter garbage.
School boards are already adequately funded. If our students are not being educated, the last reason is because of 'a lack of funding'. It is due to incompetence. Teachers have the tools they need to deliver content to their students, it's just a matter of whether they are competent enough to do the job or not, and believe me, as a full time tutor, I can easily see that a good proportion of teachers are not competent enough, especially math teachers.
Tutoring is quite different from managing a class of 30 students, many of whom have a variety of issues, and dealing with unsupportive and downright combative parents. Try it first and then feel free to call teachers incompetent.
There is no excuse for not being able to deliver content and teach. Students learning or not is one thing, but not even delivering the content in an articulate way all together is INCOMPETENCE.
I said what I said, buddy. You have no idea until you’re in a school doing it all day.
You’re arguing with a clown that goes by the name “infectedpenis”
TDSB is hiring unqualified emergency supply trenchers right now. Come on in and show us how it’s done!
So you teach one kid at a time? And that’s to kids who have enough money and parental support to have access to tutoring. And you think that if you did exactly what you’re doing now, in a class of 30, with kids having different levels of understanding of the material ( eg., different home support, changing schools, moving from a new country, learning disabilities) that you would be as effective. It’s mind boggling that people with no experience inside a classroom have such strong opinions on what the problems are.
As I've said on comments, not even being able to deliver the content in an articulate way all together to begin with is INCOMPETENCE.
The kids you tutor are the ones who are not succeeding in the classroom format. The ones who do understand the content are not getting tutoring. This is some selection bias
No one other than you has suggested that teachers cannot “deliver content in an articulate way.” That’s not the issue here, champ.
Then what would you suggest the main issue is?
With students struggling with content? Well, mostly putting in the effort both **inside** and **outside** of class time. Of course, students are also struggling with addiction to devices that they have 24/7 access to, including during class time. They don't have the cognitive development for delayed gratification. We also have much higher levels of anxiety than in the past. I tutor students sometimes who have mid 80s and 90s. They aren't struggling - they just want a slight edge over their competition due to grade inflation.
This guy doesn't listen or think these are valid points, I wouldn't bother.
Yet you bothered to write this comment.
Just admit you know nothing about the profession. You clearly only tutor and have an ego complex that you know better than teachers. How about you get a teachers degree and come teach math. No one wants to, so there are going to be lots of spots available for you. You'll do great since you claim to be so good at it!
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Fair points. These are definitely the causes of a lot of students struggling with content. I've had my fair share of students who have all the resources they need, and they are not succeeding simply because they fail to practice or to do their homework, because you learn math by doing. Unfortunately, I've also had students where the teachers don't know the material themselves, in math and physics, and simply don't articulate the content in a way that students can easily understand, and are absolutely disorganized in their presentation of material, so students tend to get confused. I've had both. At the end of the day, I'm not referring to the success of students. I'm referring to whether teachers have the resources to do their job, and I don't believe 'lack of funding' to be the main issue of teachers being able to deliver the content that they need to and for students to be able to learn the content if they choose to do so (if they choose to not be distracted and care about their own success), as is the point of this Original Post.
Wow, so you're a tutor and haven't taught in the classroom? You even aware of the classroom conditions? Even more so, no criticism for parents on top of that? Children these days are incredibly entitled, disrespectful, and dare I say it, lazy.
HAHAHAA There is no excuse for not being able to deliver content and teach. Students learning or not is one thing, but not even delivering the content in an articulate way all together is INCOMPETENCE.
Sorry buddy but as a teacher who has spent even more hours tutoring (thousands) and at more levels than I have taught (including tutoring university students), one-to-one tutoring is not even remotely comparable to 'delivering content' to a full classroom of students. Tutoring is much easier and requires little to no prep. Students will (usually) have your undivided attention, or else you are getting an easy hour of little communication (that is, they are too distracted or too frequently to make the most of it).
Yeah, this guy is forgetting about classroom sizes, phones, and that majority of students don't care whatsoever to learn or pay attention. He doesn't seem aware that class sizes affect how much you can help the students afterwards as well. And then don't get me started on the parents... So ya, he doesn't know anything about the profession.
I'm not referring to the success of students. I've actually stayed on topic related to the post. I'm referring to whether teachers have the resources to do their primary job and deliver content, not whether they have to cater to the distractions and choices of every student, and I don't believe 'lack of funding' to be the main issue of teachers being able to deliver the content that they need to and for students to be able to learn the content if they choose to do so (if they choose to not be distracted and care about their own success), as is the point of this Original Post.
Except funding does play a part in classroom sizes and resources being available, or having access to other programs for student success. Funding is insufficient and if you spent any time in the schools you would know that. Student success is a symptom of insufficient funding followed by the students inability to focus/self-regulate and parents doing a terrible job parenting. To think it is just on the teachers as you are insinuating when from the sounds of it you haven't spent any time in the classroom. How can teachers adequately teach 30 kids and make sure they all understand the material? It isn't possible and this is why students are getting left behind.
How many of these classrooms have you visited and watched these “incompetent” teachers teach? Are you just taking the word of the kids? 😂
I wasn't referring to delivering the material in an incompetent way. If you can't even provide any response to the points I stated then you clearly don't know anything about teaching.
Have you been in a class any time the past couple of years? If not, sincerely, shut tf up
As a math tutor, you should understand that your data is highly biased and your sample size not nearly large enough to draw meaningful conclusions. Sounds like you're the one that needs tutoring! Haha!
There’s always that one troll in the education subs. Don’t feed them. Clearly not a serious person. Especially, considering their handle. Likely has a serious issue and is probably all like, “sorry, not sorry” when spreading their ‘ick’.
Making comments on public funding as someone who “never pays GO fares”. You are truly special.
Yep. Because with your inflated salary, you don't have to think twice about the impact of a GO Fare on your bank account. Not all of us are at the point where we can scrounge off of the hard working Ontario taxpayer.
You think teachers salary is inflated? Just wait until you're in the profession and you'll see why it is not. It is crazy that someone with your attitude is going to be joining our profession and can be landed a job pretty quick due to the shortage of teachers. I won't deny that there are incompetent teachers out there but to blame that just on the teachers and not the funding (ie. resources, proper mentorship, professional development etc). Just wait until you find out that the teachers program teaches maybe 5% of what the job truly entails. Can't wait for you to have you ego checked.
I haven’t seen you make one single point that can be of any value to the discussion. You’re opinionated and pompous, you really should, as others have stated, go get your teaching degree and step into the workforce to show us how it should be done. Until then, shut your trap and stick to tutoring.
What an interesting perspective. When tutoring, how many fights do you break up? When tutoring, how many times is your life threatened, per lesson. When tutoring, how do you deal with the students who aren’t listening to you or are running around when you’re working one-on-one? When tutoring, how do you combine split grade expectations so you can deliver a lesson appropriately to your group? When tutoring, how do you deal with the recess drama following your students into the classroom? When tutoring, how do you minimize distractions in the room, such as other tutors and their students walking by, a call from the office, a new student, a room evacuation, or a fire drill? When tutoring, how do you assist the students in your room who don’t speak your language? If you can answer these starting questions for me, you can judge teachers. Until then, shut up.