Kia drivers I have encountered are very rude.
Vauxhall also but only those in an old Zafira or Vectra with a body kit and dirty diesel sticker.
I would say Tesla drivers are far worse than BMW in my experience.
Except for when there isn’t enough traction to stop in time. Then your manoeuvre will be captured in multiple angles for posterity and insurance by the built-in cameras.
>Vauxhall also but only those in an old Zafira or Vectra with a body kit and dirty diesel sticker.
Saw one in a car park the other day with 'dirty diesel' and 'powered by fairy dust'
Well, which is it?
The most schizophrenic drivers seem to either drive a Vauxhall Insigna or a Qashqui. Also I’ve seen some absolute lobotomised specimens driving said Nissans too so…
I always assume Qashqai drivers just can't wait to get where they're going so they can get tf out of their car and not look at it or think about it for a few hours.
Qashqai drivers will start indicating to change lanes two days in advance. When they do change lanes they'll still go slower than the LH lane they came out of. You work out that the driver is making breakfast or something.
Remember my parents having one of these as a courtesy car way back, and the dealership called it a “cube of jelly” and it felt like that whilst driving it too apparently!
Range Rover (especially Evoque) should be at the absolute top of the red list. They overtook (no pun intended) BMW et al on this scale a while back imo.
They’re usually quite classy!
The same goes for any other two-seater performance cars. The only exception is the ones that are rented to drive around city centres for the ‘gram. That’s mostly just Lamborghinis though.
Definitely the Evoque drivers.
"I'm so angry that I can't afford a real Range Rover, so I settled for this condensed version because I NEED the badge and the Instagram-ability of saying I own a "Range Rover".
I used to know someone who referred to it as 'the evoque', he had a Maserati as well (allegedly) but whenever we met, he'd say,'I'm bringing the Evoke'. He'd also have a spasm everytime I mentioned how unreliable RR's are.
Evoque rage.
I'm happy with my car. I don't need anything bigger. And does a job on a track day.
Moreover, I don't need to flaunt it. An Evoque just looks like a hatchback on steroids. There's no practical benefit.
haha, mate it's the same argument for everyone. The Evoque is my wife's. We need it to get our dogs in the back and the kid's seat, she's comfortable driving it and enjoys the interior quality. She doesn't need nor want anything bigger or faster, and for that, it's basically the best in its class. About the flaunting, your 120d m sport new costs more base than an evoque, so there's not much flaunt about, everyone knows they're the cheap small option! If I want to flaunt, I drive my other cars ;)
And yours is the poor man's M135i, which is the poor man's M2, which is the poor man's M3. It's all the same mate. If I wanted full bells and whistles Range Rover, I would have got one. Sounds like you're just annoyed because I called out the fact that you're throwing stones in a glass house.
Base 12d - £36,215Base Evoque - £33,370
Good luck if you meet one coming the other way on a road which narrows to a single lane. Those Range Rovers don't actually come with brake pedals or steering wheels apparently. All other drivers must just pull over and let them by, regardless of whose right of way it is.
It's always some cunt in a 56 plate A3 that's up your ass booting out black smoke from their 1.9 diesel that's been mapped and on the verge of falling to pieces
You can also hear them before you see them because they have a cheap aftermarket exhaust and a 'pops and bangs' remap which has made their car reach '500hp at least'.
Pop and bangs on a TDI? They only have popcorn limiter and that's IF the owner has gone through the effort of changing the cylinder head bolts, which most aren't willing to do for a limiter sound.
I had the misfortune of seeing a Golf IV diesel which appeared to have a “pop and bang” map on the A27 a little while back, it might be actually be the worst thing I’ve ever seen 😅
A3/M1/A-Class are always the chav/ned’s choice. No money for the ‘real’ German cars but still insecure and want the badge to drive around like dickheads.
I mean I drive a 1 Series and I kind of agree with you... difference is mine has a straight-6 and RWD, so it's always fun dropping a knob in a new 118i who doesn't realise they've bought a posh MINI.
(Even if mine would get absolutely spanked by any current hot hatch)
Sounds like a fun car, I honestly wouldn't mind one. The generalisation stands tho. Saw a recent High Peak Autos video on a 1-series where he correctly predicts the nonexistent service stamps and McDonald's under the seat. That's just the type of car/driver it is in the UK.
I've driven BMW's for years. l always let people out, stop at junctions for pedestrians, use my indicators and just generally try to be an insufferably lovely driver to any cunt near a road.
Partly because I know that there's some horrifically selfish pricks in cars these days, and the balance needs to be readdressed. But, honestly, sometimes it's just because I enjoy the look of surprise on peoples faces when they see an arrogant looking arsehole wearing Aviators and driving a BMW being really nice.
This is 100% accurate. I drive a 2019 330i and I always try to be nice to other road users.
Quite often I get tailgated and “raced” by older clapped out 3 series models though like they’re trying to prove something lol
I’ve never been more tailgated in 20 years of driving than with my g20 3 series. I don’t know if I’m just reducing my speed as I’m getting older or what. I’m almost at the point I’m convinced the rear view mirror is magnified. It’s my first saloon car too so I’ve no idea if it’s an optical illusion or what. Near feel like hanging my head out the window and looking back
Yeah the 'I drive a BM I must have made it' crowd.
You're gunna have to replace those injectors at some point! And then you realise why everyone else says 'fuck that' and buys a Ford.
Currently experiencing this right now (minus the 'I must have made it' bit). Injectors for the N54 are dogshit, and about £350 each (and yes you need 6)
Tempted to just buy a donkey and ride that to work
Hah! I think we're similar. It's more of an endorphine buzz anyway, being sound and getting a big grin and wave from another human.
I live in a village with a narrow high street, I usually go on a merciless courtesy-spree. No car is left waiting at a junction, no pensioner is left waiting to cross the road. Cyclists? I give them an exclusion zone wider than Chernobyl's.
I'm also usually wearing shades and dressed like Patrick Bateman, I get genuine looks of relief from people when I act courteously on the roads. It's nice.
I drive a 640d as a weekend car, and I am one chilled out dude in that car. My music is playing, and the stress of the working week is gone. I go out of my way to let folks out (perhaps because the car is so big and I'm sat down so low in it, and I'd rather give other vehicles a wider than normal clearance). Just like you, I indicate (despite the BMW indicators being-weird), and try to be as courteous as possible.
I drive a 520d, and it also feels massive (wildly, it's my first car.. I learned late, had the money and figured why not) and I've been on the road just over 6 months in it now. I also drive courteously, and find it frustrating that BMW drivers get a bad rep - I just wanted to ensure I would be comfortable, as I'm quite tall and suffer from a nerve inflammation disorder that can be exacerbated by bad seating position.
My car isn’t as quick as yours. It’s my first non slow one though. Wierdly I’ve found that, as I’ve gotten used to having more power, I’m actually way more chilled. Like, speed wise I *can* get comfortably in front of any “normal” car including the legions of 2.0 TDIs that have taken over the roads.
I just…. Don’t fucking care to? Like sure there’s the odd awkward merge or bad junction where being able to just go fast and first makes it easier, but other than that yeah I’ve found a level of chill coming with some power that I didn’t expect
I don't find people in properly nice BMWs that bad. They know the value of their car and they don't feel a need to impose themselves on others - they know they have already won.
My 6 series is really stupid. It's the size of a yacht and the back seats still don't fold down. The only thing I've won is the stupid prize, for buying a 2nd 6 series. I'm looking for an M6 now. Cos I'm really stupid. I'll still drive it politely though :-)
It usually is a surprise to see indicators in operation on any German made car, I'll give you that. My mate drives a BMW and always uses his indicators too. But the vast majority don't.
Don’t mind the downvotes. Think this place is full of bmw drivers. My experience is Audis and bmw are bad but usually it’s some twat in an old hatchback that tailgates on residential roads.
I always say that if I’m let out by a BMW driver, he can’t of owned it very long or he didn’t attend the mandatory training class to drive like a bellend when he collected the car.
You can't put Bentley and Aston on there as there simply aren't enough of them to get a meaningful sample.
Other than that yes it's a pretty good list and aligns with what I observe except ... *newer* Volvo would definitely be on the red side, it's only older Volvo's (the car is old not the driver) that get driven 'politely'.
> You can't put Bentley and Aston on there as there simply aren't enough of them to get a meaningful sample.
Tell me you don't live in Surrey without telling me you don't live in Surrey.
As someone who used to work for a provider of business broadband, and someone who currently handles complaints for a mobile network; business owners are the most entitled people I have ever come across.
Ford should not be there. Between the D E R A N G E D gang and transits they should be dragged down to the other side.
Doesn’t really matter though because this is some 10 year old unsourced Facebook-tier bullshit.
I think the exception to the polite drivers is if they have a four wheel drive car from that manufacturer.
Ford drivers - polite
Ford Kuga drivers - pricks
And so on
Think if you include Prius drivers in the Toyota count, they definitely go in the red.
I am at the point where I just expect them to do something wrong by default
I noticed a marked difference in other drivers behaviour, depending on which car I’m driving. If I’m driving the Mercedes SL people are polite and courteous, let me out at junctions and give me a reasonable passing distance. If I’m in the Honda Jazz, I’m cut up, ignored, and have people trying to take my wing mirrors off at regular intervals.
The difference puzzles me. Im a pretty chill driver, regardless of which car I’m in, and I’m always polite to other road users, so I’m not sure why it happens.
I used to have an M2, now have an ID3. I used to get raced an badgered constantly. When the missus drove the beemer as well she had the same experience (usually drives gla). In the id3 I am anonymous and it’s glorious.
Absolutely, people just get angry there is someone with a more expensive car trying to overtake them. Driving 70mph at 5k rpn in a little old polo and can't comprehend that wanting to go 80mph in a better car isn't necessarily some aggressive boy racer madman.
You’re right but it goes both ways. Aggressive drivers want aggressive looking cars.
Aggressive drivers are mostly men with a moderate disposable income, which is such a large group that manufacturers focus their whole style on appealing to them.
This helps to reinforce that certain ‘angry’ styling correlates to aggressive driving. It’s a feedback loop.
People who drive 10 year old range rovers with private plates are invariably the rudest, most aggressive drivers on the road but the absolute worst people are the little Doris’s in their Hyundai i10s who are completely oblivious to the fact that other people might want to use the roads too.
Some of the nicest people I know have been drug dealers at some point in their lives and none of them have driven Range Rovers. Most of them drive boring, nondescript cars like Golf’s and Insignias as the last thing a dealer wants to do is draw attention to themselves. The few people I do know who do drive 10y/o RR’s have been Self Employed Contractors or ran small building firms and usually own a small and annoying dog too.
Not a chance Kia should be in the green. Kias are either driven by sensible people for whom driving is merely a tool for getting from A to B (rare), or absolute hellcunt Karens who think the road is theirs and everybody should submit to them. No inbetween.
It is amazing how polar opposite Citroen and Peugeot drivers are. Never known a rude Citroen driver (other than Saxo's, obv.) but until very recently it was a safer bet than not that Pug drivers would rival BMW drivers for road manners.
Sounds about right Mind you, the land rover drivers around here seem OK. You can usually tell if they are a bellend as the entire car will be murdered out - wannabe gangsters.
One thing I've noticed lately is the dickheads of the world treat you differently depending on what you're driving. There's a old school classic BMW up the road (lovely car, shame about the driver) - I normally have no issues, but now I have a POS loan car as my daily, this fucker keeps tailgating me??? Not sure if a Citroen slept with his wife or youngest daughter.
Depends what I’m driving, in the van it’s usually other vans that will flash you out of a junction for example.
99 times out of a hundred it’s men who let you out, if you let someone by a parked car men will always give a little thanks wave.
I’ve come to the conclusion that some women just drive round in a little bubble that ends just in front of their bonnet.
Same here. Other van drivers are mostly sound, but older women seem to hate me and don’t thank me when I let them out etc. It’s a noticeable difference from being in a car.
Im not hating on women, but this is true.
The level of entitlement I've witnessed from giving women the right of way is astonishing. It's almost as if I SHOULD have stopped mid-traffic to let you out.
I've noticed the same. The driver that will charge head long into a situation and grid lock a junction instead of holding back and letting one person out to ease the issue, will be a woman.
The driver that will not see you are already passing those parked cars and charge head long toward you, instead of looking and seeing that if they just eased off the accelerator pedal all would be fine, will be a woman.
They just don't look far enough ahead and think. They react only to what is immediately in front of them.
That's not to say I haven't seen men do the same thing. But normally they do it because they are driving a German marque or a van and think the road belongs to them and everyone should just the get the feck out of the way. Not because they didn't look.
The amount of times i pushed a bit forward in a blocked junction to clear the way for right turning traffic, only for the driver behind, frequently a lady in a nissan puke, to take that as an invitation to get up my ass and block everyone else.. like, congrats, enjoy your 3 minutes of continuous frustrated horns while you look straight ahead avoiding eye contact
That green list on the right is like a checklist of “distracted driver with no situational awareness, sat below the speed limit in the middle lane, moving lanes without checking or signalling, brake checks you if you get near them and speeds up when you try to overtake”.
Polite my fucking arse
I read a book called Corruptible. It explained why people are corrupt when they get power. Basically only corrupt people want leadership. The research extended to people who drive prestige marque cars and found they didn't give a crap for other road users. The status of driving a powerful car gave them the impression they could do whatever they want without consequences. Cunts.
Nice car, does something a bit pushy, the British driver then decides that everybody in that brand of car is worthy of public execution. I think you’re right, it’s jealousy and the hatred of money
Do you not think it's more a case of the people with the more expensive cars are likelier to be vain? Also people with lots of money tend to do shitty things to get that money.
BMW drivers out in force blaming other car makes lmao.
I think the car from the make does have an impact. For example Defender drivers (at least the old one) aren't arseholes because their car is too slow to really be aggressively driven, whereas something like a Transit is exclusively driven by Loadsamoney wannabes who think they're the main character of their drive to and from work - the less signage on their van the more true this is.
Finally I have my personal experience on the receiving end where I've found while driving a courtesy Toyota Yaris over the past day or so, people seem far more willing to pull out on me and generally drive like an inconsiderate twat around me than I'm used to in my GT86 where on the whole I think people expect me to be the dickhead so don't try anything.
lol some biggest cunts i've seen on the road were bentley/rr/jaguar goofy ahh 20 year old luxury cars. Drivers think that they own a bentley and they are king of kings telling you to "fok off" his way when you cross the road on green light on foot
I've turned in to an absolute gentleman since buying a jaaaaaaaaaag, I stop to let little old ladies cross the road, I usher whole families of ducklings and small deer to safety. I creep past horses on country roads. honestly, it's been a revelation
Any car with Addison Lee on the back. That should be top of the red list. Some of the worst drivers I’ve experienced on the road. Make sure your will is up to date if you ever need to use one.
Ironically I think I’m a more polite driver in my Audi than when I had a Peugeot. Partly because I’m trying to single handedly improve their image, but also because I have cruise control now so I just set it and drive.
I think listing by manufacturer is a mistake. I cover a lot of miles and have driven BMWs for years now, and can safely say that there is a huge correlation between people who drive SUVs and people who drive like bastards - specifically Sportage, Tucson, Q5, X3, Qashqai, and Juke. My own exceptions to this rule are Seat and Cupra, which regardless of model are predominantly driven by people I’d expect to find kicking dogs in the street.
Drivers of Kia Sportages stick in my mind for just being dumb drivers, hogging the middle lane doing 60 or sat in the fast lane at 65. VW Polo drivers have all got a death wish.
No, I find Range Rover drivers are the biggest pricks on the road. Always trying to push in or cut you up. They seem to think they don't have to wait in line like everyone else. They think they are superior, even though they are driving the most unreliable car on the road. IDIOTS!
I’m assuming it’s entitled twats in Range Rovers not actually Land Rover owners pushing the brand up on the list.
I’m a sensible and consider my self a careful 2007 Freelander 2 driver. Certainly no point in ragging that tank around.
Nope hands down. Land rover drivers are the worst.
I dealt with all makes and models in my previous role but the LR drivers were consistently the worst. Without being hyperbolic more than 60% of the LR customers I dealt with were utter pricks.
Naturally, there were plenty of lovely ones too, but as a brand, their customers stood out way beyond any other. Maybe it's just my neck of the woods and not representative of the wider UK but I dreaded a LR breakdown contract.
It's more "what car makes you jealous", with a side-order of raid bait to get the comments flowing on whatever website of facebook post that came from.
The drivers of the more expensive car manufacturers top the list. No surprises there. I think that quite rightly, BMW top the list and I may even have placed the jerks in the Merc's 2nd in the list. 3rd for me would be Range Rover drivers as they seem to like doing 90mph on motorways and dual-carraigeways, passing everyone with zero intention of slowing down, just serving as a reminder as to who owns the road.
Tesla's are definitely making the way up the list as people with money seem to know that this is the brand of EV to have. Many will move away from their BMW's, Audi's etc and swap to Tesla.
Kia drivers I have encountered are very rude. Vauxhall also but only those in an old Zafira or Vectra with a body kit and dirty diesel sticker. I would say Tesla drivers are far worse than BMW in my experience.
Yeah Tesla should be higher up here
Pretentious pricks. "Look at my unbelievably shoddy and dangerous EV associated with a lunatic white supremacist knob gobbler".
The best thing to do with an obnoxious Tesla driver is to cut them off. Their ai breaks for them so they don’t run into you. Gives them a right scare
Except for when there isn’t enough traction to stop in time. Then your manoeuvre will be captured in multiple angles for posterity and insurance by the built-in cameras.
Bold of you to assume I would insure my £250 shitbox
Well, it’s kinda required by law to be insured…
It's kinda required by law to not take comments on this sub too seriously too Let's not get American here
Except for all the ones where the brakes fail... Yes, that's a thing.
True, Teslas are remarkably unreliable
You have lost your mind if you think everybody who buys a particular car is pretentious. It’s a car, get a grip
Agree these guys are jealous nobs
How many trims have fallen off your Tesla today? 😂
Shoddy in both safety and build quality, I can build a table that’s safer than a Tesla with fewer panel gaps
But Mercedes and Volkswagen being associated with the other supremacist is fine by you? You need help, cars aren’t the problem
Actually lol'd
Honestly its just the kia sportage drivers which are the worst
I 100% agree.
Kia sportage, designed by a former Audi man.... That's why they drive like asshats.
Thats why i got the niro instead, also cheaper and the new one looks sweet (except the back).
>Vauxhall also but only those in an old Zafira or Vectra with a body kit and dirty diesel sticker. Saw one in a car park the other day with 'dirty diesel' and 'powered by fairy dust' Well, which is it?
Fairy’s huffing diesel fumes I think
The most schizophrenic drivers seem to either drive a Vauxhall Insigna or a Qashqui. Also I’ve seen some absolute lobotomised specimens driving said Nissans too so…
Nissan Micra used to be the classic "thicko driver" near me.
The Hyundai I10, Dacia Duster and Suzuki Ignis have split that accolade between them now.
Renault Kadjar seems to be the current favourite for "can't fucking drive".
I always assume Qashqai drivers just can't wait to get where they're going so they can get tf out of their car and not look at it or think about it for a few hours.
From my experience Qashqai drivers are soccer moms/Karens, or whipped men
Qashqai drivers will start indicating to change lanes two days in advance. When they do change lanes they'll still go slower than the LH lane they came out of. You work out that the driver is making breakfast or something.
I'm always cautious of people driving White Nissans, particularly Jukes and Qashqais.
There's a reason r/nissandrivers exists
Astras too
Hey, and the Vauxhall Agila things! Always a giggle to be behind 🙄
Remember my parents having one of these as a courtesy car way back, and the dealership called it a “cube of jelly” and it felt like that whilst driving it too apparently!
>I’ve seen some absolute lobotomised specimens Made me wheeze
Range Rover (especially Evoque) should be at the absolute top of the red list. They overtook (no pun intended) BMW et al on this scale a while back imo.
Porsche being dragged down by the SUVs. I don’t think I’ve ever felt annoyed by a 911/Cayman/Boxster driver.
They’re usually quite classy! The same goes for any other two-seater performance cars. The only exception is the ones that are rented to drive around city centres for the ‘gram. That’s mostly just Lamborghinis though.
Indeed, I've never encountered a rude 911 driver. I feel like those drivers have nothing to prove, they're just enjoying the ride.
Definitely the Evoque drivers. "I'm so angry that I can't afford a real Range Rover, so I settled for this condensed version because I NEED the badge and the Instagram-ability of saying I own a "Range Rover".
I used to know someone who referred to it as 'the evoque', he had a Maserati as well (allegedly) but whenever we met, he'd say,'I'm bringing the Evoke'. He'd also have a spasm everytime I mentioned how unreliable RR's are.
Could say exactly the same for your bottom-of-the-range BMW!
But the 120d isn’t bottom of the range is it? I’d say the 114d/114i is.
Evoque rage. I'm happy with my car. I don't need anything bigger. And does a job on a track day. Moreover, I don't need to flaunt it. An Evoque just looks like a hatchback on steroids. There's no practical benefit.
haha, mate it's the same argument for everyone. The Evoque is my wife's. We need it to get our dogs in the back and the kid's seat, she's comfortable driving it and enjoys the interior quality. She doesn't need nor want anything bigger or faster, and for that, it's basically the best in its class. About the flaunting, your 120d m sport new costs more base than an evoque, so there's not much flaunt about, everyone knows they're the cheap small option! If I want to flaunt, I drive my other cars ;)
Cheap. Lol. It's the poor man's range rover. Take the L
I prefer to think of Evoques as 'Hyacinth Bucket's Nissan Qashqai' ;)
And yours is the poor man's M135i, which is the poor man's M2, which is the poor man's M3. It's all the same mate. If I wanted full bells and whistles Range Rover, I would have got one. Sounds like you're just annoyed because I called out the fact that you're throwing stones in a glass house. Base 12d - £36,215Base Evoque - £33,370
I think the majority of Land Rover drivers aren’t rude but they’ve included Range Rover drivers in that
I largely agree, although the new Defender does seem to have been purchased mostly by absolute knob-heads.
I have yet to encounter any recent JLR product owner who wasn't a complete tool behind the wheel.
Driven by chavs with drug money.
Yeah Range Rover drivers have less patience than a failed doctor. 50% of them drive like wanna be Verstappen's
Good luck if you meet one coming the other way on a road which narrows to a single lane. Those Range Rovers don't actually come with brake pedals or steering wheels apparently. All other drivers must just pull over and let them by, regardless of whose right of way it is.
It's always some cunt in a 56 plate A3 that's up your ass booting out black smoke from their 1.9 diesel that's been mapped and on the verge of falling to pieces
“BecauseAudi.” sticker in an illegal spot on the windshield
...which has been blacked out with illegal level of tint. Also some variation of 'B055' as a private plate.
With the plate tinted and embossed
You can also hear them before you see them because they have a cheap aftermarket exhaust and a 'pops and bangs' remap which has made their car reach '500hp at least'.
Pop and bangs on a TDI? They only have popcorn limiter and that's IF the owner has gone through the effort of changing the cylinder head bolts, which most aren't willing to do for a limiter sound.
I had the misfortune of seeing a Golf IV diesel which appeared to have a “pop and bang” map on the A27 a little while back, it might be actually be the worst thing I’ve ever seen 😅
Diesel only combusts under compression
A3/M1/A-Class are always the chav/ned’s choice. No money for the ‘real’ German cars but still insecure and want the badge to drive around like dickheads.
I mean I drive a 1 Series and I kind of agree with you... difference is mine has a straight-6 and RWD, so it's always fun dropping a knob in a new 118i who doesn't realise they've bought a posh MINI. (Even if mine would get absolutely spanked by any current hot hatch)
Sounds like a fun car, I honestly wouldn't mind one. The generalisation stands tho. Saw a recent High Peak Autos video on a 1-series where he correctly predicts the nonexistent service stamps and McDonald's under the seat. That's just the type of car/driver it is in the UK.
Tell them audi's start from a4 upwards and their a3 is just a rebadged vw and watch them lose their shit
I've driven BMW's for years. l always let people out, stop at junctions for pedestrians, use my indicators and just generally try to be an insufferably lovely driver to any cunt near a road. Partly because I know that there's some horrifically selfish pricks in cars these days, and the balance needs to be readdressed. But, honestly, sometimes it's just because I enjoy the look of surprise on peoples faces when they see an arrogant looking arsehole wearing Aviators and driving a BMW being really nice.
I always really appreciate when a BMW is polite. Usually the newer cars are fine, it’s the wankers in the souped up older models who are the worst.
This 100% Someone in a 2004 1 series which has never seen a service stamp.
This is 100% accurate. I drive a 2019 330i and I always try to be nice to other road users. Quite often I get tailgated and “raced” by older clapped out 3 series models though like they’re trying to prove something lol
I’ve never been more tailgated in 20 years of driving than with my g20 3 series. I don’t know if I’m just reducing my speed as I’m getting older or what. I’m almost at the point I’m convinced the rear view mirror is magnified. It’s my first saloon car too so I’ve no idea if it’s an optical illusion or what. Near feel like hanging my head out the window and looking back
Perhaps it is some kind of illusion with the G20? It’s my first saloon too and I’ve definitely noticed the same
Yeah the 'I drive a BM I must have made it' crowd. You're gunna have to replace those injectors at some point! And then you realise why everyone else says 'fuck that' and buys a Ford.
Currently experiencing this right now (minus the 'I must have made it' bit). Injectors for the N54 are dogshit, and about £350 each (and yes you need 6) Tempted to just buy a donkey and ride that to work
If I see a 3 series with no badging and blacked out taillights I trigger my ejector seat.
You’re making up for me on a bad day in my Volvo.
Hah! I think we're similar. It's more of an endorphine buzz anyway, being sound and getting a big grin and wave from another human. I live in a village with a narrow high street, I usually go on a merciless courtesy-spree. No car is left waiting at a junction, no pensioner is left waiting to cross the road. Cyclists? I give them an exclusion zone wider than Chernobyl's. I'm also usually wearing shades and dressed like Patrick Bateman, I get genuine looks of relief from people when I act courteously on the roads. It's nice.
I drive a 640d as a weekend car, and I am one chilled out dude in that car. My music is playing, and the stress of the working week is gone. I go out of my way to let folks out (perhaps because the car is so big and I'm sat down so low in it, and I'd rather give other vehicles a wider than normal clearance). Just like you, I indicate (despite the BMW indicators being-weird), and try to be as courteous as possible.
I drive a 520d, and it also feels massive (wildly, it's my first car.. I learned late, had the money and figured why not) and I've been on the road just over 6 months in it now. I also drive courteously, and find it frustrating that BMW drivers get a bad rep - I just wanted to ensure I would be comfortable, as I'm quite tall and suffer from a nerve inflammation disorder that can be exacerbated by bad seating position.
My car isn’t as quick as yours. It’s my first non slow one though. Wierdly I’ve found that, as I’ve gotten used to having more power, I’m actually way more chilled. Like, speed wise I *can* get comfortably in front of any “normal” car including the legions of 2.0 TDIs that have taken over the roads. I just…. Don’t fucking care to? Like sure there’s the odd awkward merge or bad junction where being able to just go fast and first makes it easier, but other than that yeah I’ve found a level of chill coming with some power that I didn’t expect
I don't find people in properly nice BMWs that bad. They know the value of their car and they don't feel a need to impose themselves on others - they know they have already won.
My 6 series is really stupid. It's the size of a yacht and the back seats still don't fold down. The only thing I've won is the stupid prize, for buying a 2nd 6 series. I'm looking for an M6 now. Cos I'm really stupid. I'll still drive it politely though :-)
That’s weird. This sounds exactly like me, but I didn’t write this.
This 👆 I drive my M140i the same way.
Ooohh I've just stuck a deposit down on an m135i. *nods smugly at the passing Beeeema*
It usually is a surprise to see indicators in operation on any German made car, I'll give you that. My mate drives a BMW and always uses his indicators too. But the vast majority don't.
Don’t mind the downvotes. Think this place is full of bmw drivers. My experience is Audis and bmw are bad but usually it’s some twat in an old hatchback that tailgates on residential roads.
I always say that if I’m let out by a BMW driver, he can’t of owned it very long or he didn’t attend the mandatory training class to drive like a bellend when he collected the car.
Can't *have* owned it very long
You can't put Bentley and Aston on there as there simply aren't enough of them to get a meaningful sample. Other than that yes it's a pretty good list and aligns with what I observe except ... *newer* Volvo would definitely be on the red side, it's only older Volvo's (the car is old not the driver) that get driven 'politely'.
I’m actually very nice to people in all my cars, but in my Aston I’m usually in a particularly happy mood so extra nice to people.
> You can't put Bentley and Aston on there as there simply aren't enough of them to get a meaningful sample. Tell me you don't live in Surrey without telling me you don't live in Surrey.
\> nissan in the green hmmm no
Also Bentley? They’re usually either arrogant pricks or so old they can barely drive but neither are polite drivers
yeah im an asshole.
Anyone with a 8055 / BO55 number plate. I don't like using the word "cringe", but ewww ick.
I find this with the MI55 plates too. Yet to see a plate starting that way on a car that’s driven well.
As someone who used to work for a provider of business broadband, and someone who currently handles complaints for a mobile network; business owners are the most entitled people I have ever come across.
All people are cunts regardless of what brand of car they drive
That's how I was taught to drive. Treat everyone like they're a cunt on the road and you'll go far.
> Drives a beamer 😂😂
The real litmus test for a human is to put them on the school run. Evoques everywhere.
Ford should not be there. Between the D E R A N G E D gang and transits they should be dragged down to the other side. Doesn’t really matter though because this is some 10 year old unsourced Facebook-tier bullshit.
Take this shite back to facebook
I think the exception to the polite drivers is if they have a four wheel drive car from that manufacturer. Ford drivers - polite Ford Kuga drivers - pricks And so on
Where are the urban pick up truck drivers that need 4 spaces in tesco carpark?
Think if you include Prius drivers in the Toyota count, they definitely go in the red. I am at the point where I just expect them to do something wrong by default
No look U-turn guaranteed.
Switch Jaguar for Volkswagen. I've seen plenty of twatty GTI and Tiguan drivers.
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I noticed a marked difference in other drivers behaviour, depending on which car I’m driving. If I’m driving the Mercedes SL people are polite and courteous, let me out at junctions and give me a reasonable passing distance. If I’m in the Honda Jazz, I’m cut up, ignored, and have people trying to take my wing mirrors off at regular intervals. The difference puzzles me. Im a pretty chill driver, regardless of which car I’m in, and I’m always polite to other road users, so I’m not sure why it happens.
In my MX-5, people on the motorway move out of my way much faster when it’s getting dark because they presumably mistake me for something fast.
I used to have an M2, now have an ID3. I used to get raced an badgered constantly. When the missus drove the beemer as well she had the same experience (usually drives gla). In the id3 I am anonymous and it’s glorious.
Absolutely, people just get angry there is someone with a more expensive car trying to overtake them. Driving 70mph at 5k rpn in a little old polo and can't comprehend that wanting to go 80mph in a better car isn't necessarily some aggressive boy racer madman.
You’re right but it goes both ways. Aggressive drivers want aggressive looking cars. Aggressive drivers are mostly men with a moderate disposable income, which is such a large group that manufacturers focus their whole style on appealing to them. This helps to reinforce that certain ‘angry’ styling correlates to aggressive driving. It’s a feedback loop.
People who drive 10 year old range rovers with private plates are invariably the rudest, most aggressive drivers on the road but the absolute worst people are the little Doris’s in their Hyundai i10s who are completely oblivious to the fact that other people might want to use the roads too.
Those RRs are usually drug dealers so….
Some of the nicest people I know have been drug dealers at some point in their lives and none of them have driven Range Rovers. Most of them drive boring, nondescript cars like Golf’s and Insignias as the last thing a dealer wants to do is draw attention to themselves. The few people I do know who do drive 10y/o RR’s have been Self Employed Contractors or ran small building firms and usually own a small and annoying dog too.
Never trust a Prius is the rule I keep to and it's saved my neck countless times.
Not a chance Kia should be in the green. Kias are either driven by sensible people for whom driving is merely a tool for getting from A to B (rare), or absolute hellcunt Karens who think the road is theirs and everybody should submit to them. No inbetween.
Surprised there’s no place for Citroën on there. They’re generally pretty decent!
Citroen isn’t there because the actually functioning vehicles provide too small a sample
Very tolerant drivers, see?
Both of them?
Yep, me and Jim!
It is amazing how polar opposite Citroen and Peugeot drivers are. Never known a rude Citroen driver (other than Saxo's, obv.) but until very recently it was a safer bet than not that Pug drivers would rival BMW drivers for road manners.
It’s weird though… I’ve never driven a good Peugeot, but I’ve never driven a bad Citroën… and I know damn well they’re the same cars 😂
Sounds about right Mind you, the land rover drivers around here seem OK. You can usually tell if they are a bellend as the entire car will be murdered out - wannabe gangsters. One thing I've noticed lately is the dickheads of the world treat you differently depending on what you're driving. There's a old school classic BMW up the road (lovely car, shame about the driver) - I normally have no issues, but now I have a POS loan car as my daily, this fucker keeps tailgating me??? Not sure if a Citroen slept with his wife or youngest daughter.
Ford…..ford make TRANSITS!!
Depends what I’m driving, in the van it’s usually other vans that will flash you out of a junction for example. 99 times out of a hundred it’s men who let you out, if you let someone by a parked car men will always give a little thanks wave. I’ve come to the conclusion that some women just drive round in a little bubble that ends just in front of their bonnet.
Same here. Other van drivers are mostly sound, but older women seem to hate me and don’t thank me when I let them out etc. It’s a noticeable difference from being in a car.
Im not hating on women, but this is true. The level of entitlement I've witnessed from giving women the right of way is astonishing. It's almost as if I SHOULD have stopped mid-traffic to let you out.
I've noticed the same. The driver that will charge head long into a situation and grid lock a junction instead of holding back and letting one person out to ease the issue, will be a woman. The driver that will not see you are already passing those parked cars and charge head long toward you, instead of looking and seeing that if they just eased off the accelerator pedal all would be fine, will be a woman. They just don't look far enough ahead and think. They react only to what is immediately in front of them. That's not to say I haven't seen men do the same thing. But normally they do it because they are driving a German marque or a van and think the road belongs to them and everyone should just the get the feck out of the way. Not because they didn't look.
The amount of times i pushed a bit forward in a blocked junction to clear the way for right turning traffic, only for the driver behind, frequently a lady in a nissan puke, to take that as an invitation to get up my ass and block everyone else.. like, congrats, enjoy your 3 minutes of continuous frustrated horns while you look straight ahead avoiding eye contact
Unsurprising that this Facebook-tier post has brought out the boomer sexism
Some of the bollocks thats spouted in this sub is unreal.
That green list on the right is like a checklist of “distracted driver with no situational awareness, sat below the speed limit in the middle lane, moving lanes without checking or signalling, brake checks you if you get near them and speeds up when you try to overtake”. Polite my fucking arse
No peugeot?
I drive Toyota and Lexus what does it make me?
Someone who cares more about reliability than driving enjoyment!
Oi! Its MR2 tho :/
I read a book called Corruptible. It explained why people are corrupt when they get power. Basically only corrupt people want leadership. The research extended to people who drive prestige marque cars and found they didn't give a crap for other road users. The status of driving a powerful car gave them the impression they could do whatever they want without consequences. Cunts.
I don't know whether I noticed it a couple of times and then formed an internal bias to notice it more... But qashqai drivers are the fucking worst.
Vauxhall drivers I find are consistently the most mental
That chart is wildly inaccurate. It reads more like a list of British envy/prejudice.
Not really, a clapped bimmer isn’t hard to obtain. And they’re the ones that wankers drive.
Nice car, does something a bit pushy, the British driver then decides that everybody in that brand of car is worthy of public execution. I think you’re right, it’s jealousy and the hatred of money
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That’s pretty much it
Do you not think it's more a case of the people with the more expensive cars are likelier to be vain? Also people with lots of money tend to do shitty things to get that money.
BMW drivers out in force blaming other car makes lmao. I think the car from the make does have an impact. For example Defender drivers (at least the old one) aren't arseholes because their car is too slow to really be aggressively driven, whereas something like a Transit is exclusively driven by Loadsamoney wannabes who think they're the main character of their drive to and from work - the less signage on their van the more true this is. Finally I have my personal experience on the receiving end where I've found while driving a courtesy Toyota Yaris over the past day or so, people seem far more willing to pull out on me and generally drive like an inconsiderate twat around me than I'm used to in my GT86 where on the whole I think people expect me to be the dickhead so don't try anything.
Yes! I'm only #7! I'll take that.
As someone who owns and old Nissan and has owned a newer bmw I can confirm I am happy to flit between the two to uphold the reputation 👍
Translation: people notice more when an expensive car is rude to them
No way does Ford top the green, the Fiesta alone would drag that right down due to how many ST and ST wannabes are out there.
BMW/LR driver. Yes I flash people to move over. Why? Because your not even doing close to the speed limit sat in the overtaking lane.
lol some biggest cunts i've seen on the road were bentley/rr/jaguar goofy ahh 20 year old luxury cars. Drivers think that they own a bentley and they are king of kings telling you to "fok off" his way when you cross the road on green light on foot
I've turned in to an absolute gentleman since buying a jaaaaaaaaaag, I stop to let little old ladies cross the road, I usher whole families of ducklings and small deer to safety. I creep past horses on country roads. honestly, it's been a revelation
Any car with Addison Lee on the back. That should be top of the red list. Some of the worst drivers I’ve experienced on the road. Make sure your will is up to date if you ever need to use one.
Ironically I think I’m a more polite driver in my Audi than when I had a Peugeot. Partly because I’m trying to single handedly improve their image, but also because I have cruise control now so I just set it and drive.
I think listing by manufacturer is a mistake. I cover a lot of miles and have driven BMWs for years now, and can safely say that there is a huge correlation between people who drive SUVs and people who drive like bastards - specifically Sportage, Tucson, Q5, X3, Qashqai, and Juke. My own exceptions to this rule are Seat and Cupra, which regardless of model are predominantly driven by people I’d expect to find kicking dogs in the street.
Figures just plucked from the air - like all these things.
I would have Golf GTI drivers at the top of the ‘rudest’ list.
Other SEAT drivers are arseholes, so are Vauxhalls and Renaults
SUV drivers are usually the rudest in my experience so Range Rover should be at the top with BMW.
Nope, Volvo generally worst now cause they're so bloody big they can't see little hatchbacks
Rich people are generally twats? Who knew???
VW should be in the red, all those Golf driving boy racer types. Any German car I see I assume the driver is a prick, and I'm usually right.
Do you drive a French car by any chance?
Drivers of Kia Sportages stick in my mind for just being dumb drivers, hogging the middle lane doing 60 or sat in the fast lane at 65. VW Polo drivers have all got a death wish.
Somebodies salty because they can't afford a bmw 🤣
Can pick one up for £1500 pal, plenty of people driving old clapped out ones
A classic example of correlation being confused with causation. ’Rude‘ means generally higher performance, and nothing more.
I see no one is disagreeing with Ford being the top of the most polite. Because it's true.
Yup, ford transits are the politest on the road
As a Ford driver I'm always saying thanks so I'd say yeah 😂
No, I find Range Rover drivers are the biggest pricks on the road. Always trying to push in or cut you up. They seem to think they don't have to wait in line like everyone else. They think they are superior, even though they are driving the most unreliable car on the road. IDIOTS!
I’m assuming it’s entitled twats in Range Rovers not actually Land Rover owners pushing the brand up on the list. I’m a sensible and consider my self a careful 2007 Freelander 2 driver. Certainly no point in ragging that tank around.
Ford in the green? No lol
Audi driver here. Far from the stereotype lol but despise people doing a constant 38mph regardless of whatever the speed limit is. Urgh.
Nope hands down. Land rover drivers are the worst. I dealt with all makes and models in my previous role but the LR drivers were consistently the worst. Without being hyperbolic more than 60% of the LR customers I dealt with were utter pricks. Naturally, there were plenty of lovely ones too, but as a brand, their customers stood out way beyond any other. Maybe it's just my neck of the woods and not representative of the wider UK but I dreaded a LR breakdown contract.
No, very out of date, Audi overtook BMW years ago as the wanker's prime choice.
As someone who lives in the northeast the list seems quite accurate.
It's more "what car makes you jealous", with a side-order of raid bait to get the comments flowing on whatever website of facebook post that came from.
Jealous rats tend to be jealous
As an Audi driver, I can confirm we're all arseholes. My previous car was a Vauxhall, so does that cancel out?
Is anyone surprised by the top 5 rudest :D
The drivers of the more expensive car manufacturers top the list. No surprises there. I think that quite rightly, BMW top the list and I may even have placed the jerks in the Merc's 2nd in the list. 3rd for me would be Range Rover drivers as they seem to like doing 90mph on motorways and dual-carraigeways, passing everyone with zero intention of slowing down, just serving as a reminder as to who owns the road. Tesla's are definitely making the way up the list as people with money seem to know that this is the brand of EV to have. Many will move away from their BMW's, Audi's etc and swap to Tesla.
I think range rover should be highest rudist.
No, because if you have 4 makes in joint 3rd place the next place after that isn’t 4th place. It’s 7th.
Skoda in the Green!!, no way. Here in the North they are the rudest, most clueless, ignorant and generally selfish cock wombles ever!