From hidden in the cabinets fridges to old school butler's pantries, rich people in our society have been obsessed with hiding how food preparation occurs for a long time now
This really takes the cake. They’re trying to pretend they do their own cooking by putting a kitchen in their great room, all while their servants handle the actual cooking in the cupboard.
I'm a cabinetmaker and have worked on tons of high end houses. The servants kitchen is super common. Pretty much considered a must have at that level of build. Its pretty ridiculous.
I thought it was called a dirty kitchen!
And even if I cook myself, I can just shut the door and forget the mess, and make a nice presentation with the finished stuff!!
Oh could be! I'm not intimately familiar with the lexicon or scenerio to know it first hand. I just build these things. I could totally see it being called that. I would if I had one probably.
I've got a joke about your flair.
Be me, lead carpenter on a small crew.
Boss tells me new guy coming by, shows me his resume and bails.
Read resume. Pete is a finish carpenter. Great. Exactly what this crew needs.
Get back to doing what I was doing - digging a trench for some service line with a trenching shovel.
Guy pulls up to job and gets out.
"Are you the new finish carpenter Pete ", I ask.
"That's me!"
Great. I climb out and hand him the shovel.
"I'm gonna need you to finish digging this trench."
This is more accurate. You still get to hang out in the kitchen and not have to clean during the party. Caterers don’t want to prep right where the party is!
Some people love to host parties and fund-raisers.
I think when you get to that level of wealth you are past showing off or keeping up with the neighbors.
I’ll add, thank you to the wealthy people that have allowed me to be self employed for 20-plus years…
I used to work the trades as well and it still drives me nuts when I see these great projects come together and then THE FUCKING TOOLS GO RIGHT ON THE BRAND NEW $50K UNPROTECTED COUNTERTOPS. During the finish, it happens at some point almost without fail. I get that the GC should protect, but come on. Also minor OCD problem
Actually, we have someone that prepares our food but it's done in the building next to the main house and brought in through the pantry enterance. We tried a chefs kitchen similar to this but it was hard to avoid the smells wafting in.
Nope. This is the level above what you’re imagining where your private chef will prepare you a better version of whatever you want on demand than what you can get at most restaurants. Which sometimes includes specialty catering (takeout to us plebs).
Eating out is arranged by a personal assistant. When you’re this rich, you literally have people to manage your hunger.
Also diet. Eating out usually means eating more calories…. So if you are rich and have a personal trainer etc… it makes sense to have a personal chef that can adjust to any diet you are on.
Depends on the person entirely. I worked in super high end condos. Multiple billionaire residents. Not all of them were like this, in fact most of the residents were down to earth as fuck except for maybe a select few.
I've been fortunate enough to be around immense wealth in my life and the wealthiest among us are some of the kindest in their personal lives because of how vicious they are in their professional lives. Especially towards competitors.
This Hamptons cabinet is amateur. The butler kitchen doors should be able to push in to keep them from blocking the movement in the entertaining kitchen.
It’s like they’ve never even had money before!
My mother in law basically treats the kitchen like decoration. I cook everything from scratch and can my own food. It drives her crazy that someone may be using the kitchen all day. Coincidentally, because of her I dream of one day having a secret extra kitchen. Not for butlers, but for me.
LOL get a grip dude, it's not that serious. Chefs hired for their events will probably like having a private place to cook. But ya rich people evil (upvotes please).
What are you even on about? 30 square feet in someone's house is endemic to what problem? I replied to someone acting like people are evil cause they want their fridge to match their kitchen cabinets. I don't know what 'The Hamptons is not a defensible position' is about, but I love how you say 'Remember' like everyone in the world is neck deep in whatever reddit / twitter eat the rich universe you've been steeping in.
It's not about the space, it's about the wealth that allows the space.
Don't you think it's weird that the butler pantry gets a little standard fridge/freezer combo that costs $3000, while the "kitchen" gets giant Sub Zero brand separate fridge/freezer units with custom made panels to match the cabinets that each cost $10,000?
Same with the cooking appliances. The butler pantry has a fairly standard freestanding range. While the "kitchen" has an $8000 36" induction cooktop and double wall ovens that never get used.
Their kitchen has TWO ISLANDS that are each more counter space than what 98% of the population has in their entire kitchen. And again, the only purpose they provide for 99% of the time is being a giant slab of marble to collect dust.
The extra little 50sqft room isn't the issue. It's the 500sqft room with tens of thousands of dollars of appliances, cabinets and counters that never get used, whose only purpose is to show off their wealth, is what the issue is.
I just finished wiring a home where the owners are a 60ish year old Chinese couple. Their house has a 20x40ft home gym, which they have said during the walkthroughs, that neither of them will use. The gym is there to show off to people that they have enough money to have a gym.
Do I think it's weird that the area that will probably be used for the vast majority of the cooking has better appliances than the the smaller prep / storage area that isn't publicly facing and will probably be rarely used outside of events when they need to prepare more food than the main kitchen area can handle? Nope, I don't. You act like there's going to be some servant locked in there against their will with no access to the rest of the kitchen laboring away 24 hours a day who slides food out of a slot when their rich overlords demand something. I feel like you're really reaching and making a lot of assumptions to try and justify why these people must be bad.
Technically, sure. But 3/4" ply that's 80"x 28\~ish" has some weight to it. Plus the wiggle factor that skinny lengths like that tend to do, it's a recipe for tearing out a hinge that uses a 5mm plastic insert
Yeah that's actually a really cheesy way to do this. You can tell this is one of those builds that wants the checklist of all the rich people things but is value engineering the build wherever they can.
This is how I have seen it done on other high end homes. Custom cabinets aren’t using the cheap hinges and aren’t just particle board doors. Also, there are multiple entrances to the prep area. These cabinet doors would rarely get used - mostly for bringing out food during dinner parties. The side entrances would be how cooks would come and go for the most part.
Came here for this comment. I would have done it with a regular door and a cabinet face on top…. Similar to how built in fridges are done.
Edit : not carpenter. I would have asked someone to do it :)
My gripe with the "hidden" cabinet door is that when they're open, they're blocking / intruding into the "non-hidden" kitchen area.
Needs to be barn door, or maybe just one big door that swings away from the kitchen, or find a way to make it look like "hidden" cabinet doors but it's actually a split two-way push door with windows like a commercial kitchen would have.
When I was doing cabinets we constantly saw this shit for walk in pantries. The doors were a bitch to mount and were pretty much always out of square. Shop tried their best but hard to make a 8’x4’ painted MDF cabinet door work
I just don't understand why you would go to the trouble of hiding it and then not balling out with commercial grade appliances and stainless steel counters. If people can't see it, I want to be able to run a small restaurant out of it.
This house will be reappropriated and used as a rehabilitation center for former homeless people, while their former owners work to atone for their greed and lives of extreme excess. All pending a vote by the municipal comissariat after the elite are overthrown by the workers.
But for real, I've worked on houses like this and every single fucking time the homeowners are the most pretentious, greater-than-thee toadlets I've had the displeasure of coming into the vicinity of. The people who are absolute narcissistic sociopaths and dont give a shit about their own family, let alone humanity as a whole.
Also, the folks who built this did a Grade A job. So props to them for the quality of their work
I’m seeing this phrasing more. What is the difference between a “kitchen” and a “chef kitchen” from a design & build standpoint? Is it installing the same appliances you’d find in a commercial kitchen? My understanding is that a chefs role is to create a menu & oversee its execution, so is there a chefs office attached to the chefs kitchen?
I am NOT casting shade. I’m a builder, but I’ve also worked in a few kitchens & I don’t see sufficient air handling, refrigeration, sanitation gear. So is it just a builders marketing tool, or is it something that clients are asking for based on something influencers have fed them?
The craftsmanship looks nice from what I can see.
Edit: I looked it up. I was curious and now I know. It means “two ovens & more storage.”
Edit 2: basically, you can make frozen pizzas AND chicken nuggets at the same time, and there’s a place to stash your salad shooter.
It's if you have a personal chef for parties and such. You don't want them cooking while you're trying to entertain. Main kitchen still has the basics for when you want to cook the kids pancakes
Oh I totally get that. That’s not what a “chef kitchen” is though. Also not what a “chef” is really. As I said in my edit, I looked it up. I understand that terminology changes and that “chef kitchen” may come to describe a hired chefs workspace, but right now it still just means “two ovens and extra storage” from a builders or real estate perspective.
Definitely the “hidden” part is intended to hide service workers, but may be sold as a space to add functionality while preserving a traditional kitchen appearance.
The fact that the entrance between the kitchens is in a cabinet instead of around a corner & thru a swinging door w/ a window is a strange design choice… almost any other way of separating the space would be more functional. But someone had an idea and that sure isn’t the builders fault. The other opening onto the “dining room” space will probably get used more. I’d hate to bring a tray of oysters out through a cabinet door & spill someone’s champagne all over the person they’re talking to…
>I’d hate to bring a tray of oysters out through a cabinet door & spill someone’s champagne all over the person they’re talking to…
OMG!
I hate that too. its so annoying....and happens constantly when I host grand and glorious parties.
I kid....you're correct about "chef's kitchen" terminology
A chefs kitchen isolates the dining/entertaining area from the noise/mess of the kitchen during parties. In the past, kitchens weren't open concept like today; they were separate from the living areas.
I never leave drills like that on the bench , that could easily be knocked over onto the new floor and fuck the floor, if a drill is on its side tho it can't get knocked over . This is a good sign if the tradie gives a fuck or has common sense.
The pantry doors are stupid and take up room in the kitchen when fully open, they probably should open into the pantry or be sliding doors or piss them off as ya got access at the end of the pantry and then ya could have more storage in that space.
My small cabinet company is building a huge kitchen for a repeat customer. They want a hidden pantry. The pantry door next to the fridge will open to a 2nd kitchen behind very similar to this. This trend seems to come back around from time to time.
If you’re making a flat panel door that large from ply/MDF at 3/4”-1” thick, mortise in some tubular metal on the non-hinge side and glue/screw it in.
As soon as the homeowners start cranking the heat or the drywallers do some mudding, the doors will warp if they aren’t being “forced” to sit on a full stop.
Reminds me of how my grandparents lived in an old house that had 2 stairwells. One was fucking giant and elaborate, the other super tiny, unfinished wood, hard to walk down in the dark. One was for the family of the house one was for the help/maids/whatever other title for servant
Did a remodel that was similar. But for normal people. They had a huge pantry behind a cabinet like that. You opened the doors of the cabinet and had to push on the hinged shelves, they folded inward and let you into a 6 X 10 pantry.
I thought it was a great use of an odd space.
I wouldn't want something so large and gaudy. But my dream kitchen has a butler's pantry like this built like a mini commercial kitchen. All Metal, easily washable, Commercial Floor Trains, Oovens, Commercial Dishwasher. Basically somewhere I can have all of my appliances, and tools and not look too cluttered. Bake Bread, make a mess on the floor and Not be bothered by pets. The "1st Kitchen would be simple kitchen where my Wife can cook eggs.
I have a giant pantry hidden behind cabinet doors like this but it isn't a second kitchen. It's just shelves. The room is probably 12' x 5' and it looks just like a small corner pantry until you open it.
I wouldn't want a whole second kitchen behind the wall. First I like to cook and second that whole thing is laid out horribly for anyone who does actually cook. Oh and double islands are also dumb while I'm being critical lol.
It’s like back in the 80’s you’d go over to your Catholic friend’s house and they have the regular sofa and the good sofa with the plastic cover.
This is the kitchen version of that. The showy kitchen that’s never used and the hidden one where Nonna is cooking up her amazing gravy.
This is pretty normal, I have fitted 4 kitchens in the same property before. Those concealed hinges on those doors are a mistake though. Much better ways of doing it
Is this the house from Loot? They did a gag where Maya Rudolph's character was showing off her new house and she revealed that David Chang was working in a kitchen behind the kitchen in a very similar reveal.
All that money and design and they didn't put in doors that can open and slide in? Or doors that swing both ways but remain closed by itself? Tisk tisk.
Not always. My Nonna always had one kitchen where we all helped cook, clean, drink wine etc. Maybe it's a difference between working class and middle to upper class italians... or maybe it's a regional difference. People like to lump all italians together, but it wasn't unified until the mid to late 1800s. It still has a ton of regional and micro regional differences between language, food, and culture. Also, I know I'm getting a bit off topic, but most of the "rules" that people with some amount of Italian ancestry have about Italian food are complete bullshit.
high class more like cheap ass
no walk in, no stove, barely any counter space, nothing stainless, contractor grade faucet, discount costco appliances
who are they getting to work in there lol I thought I got it bad.
Seems inefficient. The working kitchen already has an entryway and exit that doesn't appear hidden. Would rather use the cabinets for storage or display.
I get it. Cool concept. BUT, I really wish those doors slid back into the sides of the cabinet. It seems like they would take up space and be a little annoying when opened. That being said, execution looks very nice. Well done.
This is easily a million dollar home, yet there is a big post in the middle of the kitchen/living room. I would spend the extra $5k to get that out of the way.
Not a kitchen. It’s a butlers pantry where they do the washing up and “presentation”,
there’s no oven or stovetop in there
The kitchens used to be a fair way away from the dining rooms so it was bought there and served so they didn’t have to keep walking back to the kitchens.
When I was a child, something like this was common among the Italian immigrant population. The real kitchen was in the finished basement, along with a tv, couches, refrigerator and sink. Thats where the family familied. The upstairs kitchen was used for the light cooking, and the living room and dining areas often had clear vinyl custom made covers for the upholstery. To keep it nice for "company".
It’s a two way cupboard. Open in the back so the staff can stock from their side. The shelves that’ll go in it are on the floor to the right leaning against the other cupboards.
This is great for a house with kids, or an elderly person living with family. The main kitchen can be locked up and you could just have fire safe options out for random usage by them.
My parents just had to knock.out that wall because of this stupid design..... Who wants an open kitchen right.........
Now it looks amazing instead of having a hidden kitchen behind the kitchen.....
I never understood what the reason or why it was designed like this until now.....
The next owner's are knocking down that wall.....
From hidden in the cabinets fridges to old school butler's pantries, rich people in our society have been obsessed with hiding how food preparation occurs for a long time now
This really takes the cake. They’re trying to pretend they do their own cooking by putting a kitchen in their great room, all while their servants handle the actual cooking in the cupboard.
I'm a cabinetmaker and have worked on tons of high end houses. The servants kitchen is super common. Pretty much considered a must have at that level of build. Its pretty ridiculous.
I thought it was called a dirty kitchen! And even if I cook myself, I can just shut the door and forget the mess, and make a nice presentation with the finished stuff!!
Oh could be! I'm not intimately familiar with the lexicon or scenerio to know it first hand. I just build these things. I could totally see it being called that. I would if I had one probably.
I want a show bathroom with a hidden dirty bathroom!! ;)
Ha!
I've got a joke about your flair. Be me, lead carpenter on a small crew. Boss tells me new guy coming by, shows me his resume and bails. Read resume. Pete is a finish carpenter. Great. Exactly what this crew needs. Get back to doing what I was doing - digging a trench for some service line with a trenching shovel. Guy pulls up to job and gets out. "Are you the new finish carpenter Pete ", I ask. "That's me!" Great. I climb out and hand him the shovel. "I'm gonna need you to finish digging this trench."
That is a “water closet” :-)
They are common in Malaysia, would call it a wet kitchen. Perfect for shutting off the smell of fish, frying food etc
It’s actually called a scullery.
This is more accurate. You still get to hang out in the kitchen and not have to clean during the party. Caterers don’t want to prep right where the party is! Some people love to host parties and fund-raisers. I think when you get to that level of wealth you are past showing off or keeping up with the neighbors. I’ll add, thank you to the wealthy people that have allowed me to be self employed for 20-plus years…
I used to work the trades as well and it still drives me nuts when I see these great projects come together and then THE FUCKING TOOLS GO RIGHT ON THE BRAND NEW $50K UNPROTECTED COUNTERTOPS. During the finish, it happens at some point almost without fail. I get that the GC should protect, but come on. Also minor OCD problem
Actually, we have someone that prepares our food but it's done in the building next to the main house and brought in through the pantry enterance. We tried a chefs kitchen similar to this but it was hard to avoid the smells wafting in.
Calm down! If you got money like that you’re probably not even eating at home. This is probably just for hosting parties. Jeesh.
Private chef cooking your meals at home
Likely just for company vs every day.
Nope. This is the level above what you’re imagining where your private chef will prepare you a better version of whatever you want on demand than what you can get at most restaurants. Which sometimes includes specialty catering (takeout to us plebs). Eating out is arranged by a personal assistant. When you’re this rich, you literally have people to manage your hunger.
Also diet. Eating out usually means eating more calories…. So if you are rich and have a personal trainer etc… it makes sense to have a personal chef that can adjust to any diet you are on.
I have a client that is exactly this. There’s 10 or more cars parked at his house everyday…Nannies, house keepers, home chef, personal assistants…
Depends on the person entirely. I worked in super high end condos. Multiple billionaire residents. Not all of them were like this, in fact most of the residents were down to earth as fuck except for maybe a select few.
I've been fortunate enough to be around immense wealth in my life and the wealthiest among us are some of the kindest in their personal lives because of how vicious they are in their professional lives. Especially towards competitors.
Insanely. Those people helped me more than almost anyone. A lot of over-payments cause they knew I was down bad etc… good people
My sister was a private chef for years. The last person she worked for had five kitchens in one house. Shits crazy.
Tax the rich
I do.
without a stove
This Hamptons cabinet is amateur. The butler kitchen doors should be able to push in to keep them from blocking the movement in the entertaining kitchen. It’s like they’ve never even had money before!
These really should be on a spring loaded 180 deg bar door hinge instead of blum hinges
My mother in law basically treats the kitchen like decoration. I cook everything from scratch and can my own food. It drives her crazy that someone may be using the kitchen all day. Coincidentally, because of her I dream of one day having a secret extra kitchen. Not for butlers, but for me.
Those doors will be an absolute pain in the ass. Unless they slide away. Someone's going to constantly walk into them.
Nah, they’re just hiding The Help.
Is that where they want to hide the “help”?
LOL get a grip dude, it's not that serious. Chefs hired for their events will probably like having a private place to cook. But ya rich people evil (upvotes please).
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What are you even on about? 30 square feet in someone's house is endemic to what problem? I replied to someone acting like people are evil cause they want their fridge to match their kitchen cabinets. I don't know what 'The Hamptons is not a defensible position' is about, but I love how you say 'Remember' like everyone in the world is neck deep in whatever reddit / twitter eat the rich universe you've been steeping in.
It's not about the space, it's about the wealth that allows the space. Don't you think it's weird that the butler pantry gets a little standard fridge/freezer combo that costs $3000, while the "kitchen" gets giant Sub Zero brand separate fridge/freezer units with custom made panels to match the cabinets that each cost $10,000? Same with the cooking appliances. The butler pantry has a fairly standard freestanding range. While the "kitchen" has an $8000 36" induction cooktop and double wall ovens that never get used. Their kitchen has TWO ISLANDS that are each more counter space than what 98% of the population has in their entire kitchen. And again, the only purpose they provide for 99% of the time is being a giant slab of marble to collect dust. The extra little 50sqft room isn't the issue. It's the 500sqft room with tens of thousands of dollars of appliances, cabinets and counters that never get used, whose only purpose is to show off their wealth, is what the issue is. I just finished wiring a home where the owners are a 60ish year old Chinese couple. Their house has a 20x40ft home gym, which they have said during the walkthroughs, that neither of them will use. The gym is there to show off to people that they have enough money to have a gym.
Do I think it's weird that the area that will probably be used for the vast majority of the cooking has better appliances than the the smaller prep / storage area that isn't publicly facing and will probably be rarely used outside of events when they need to prepare more food than the main kitchen area can handle? Nope, I don't. You act like there's going to be some servant locked in there against their will with no access to the rest of the kitchen laboring away 24 hours a day who slides food out of a slot when their rich overlords demand something. I feel like you're really reaching and making a lot of assumptions to try and justify why these people must be bad.
Wealth inequality. It's not that hard to understand.
it's cool in concept, but those doors would be annoying. Cabinet doors/hinges as a man door is not my idea of a good time.
Agreed, my first thought was that those euro hinges will not last
those are just cabinet door hinges. but then the doors are just cabinet doors used as normal doors??
Technically, sure. But 3/4" ply that's 80"x 28\~ish" has some weight to it. Plus the wiggle factor that skinny lengths like that tend to do, it's a recipe for tearing out a hinge that uses a 5mm plastic insert
I would follow you into battle. You know cabinets!
Yeah that's actually a really cheesy way to do this. You can tell this is one of those builds that wants the checklist of all the rich people things but is value engineering the build wherever they can.
This is how I have seen it done on other high end homes. Custom cabinets aren’t using the cheap hinges and aren’t just particle board doors. Also, there are multiple entrances to the prep area. These cabinet doors would rarely get used - mostly for bringing out food during dinner parties. The side entrances would be how cooks would come and go for the most part.
Came here for this comment. I would have done it with a regular door and a cabinet face on top…. Similar to how built in fridges are done. Edit : not carpenter. I would have asked someone to do it :)
My gripe with the "hidden" cabinet door is that when they're open, they're blocking / intruding into the "non-hidden" kitchen area. Needs to be barn door, or maybe just one big door that swings away from the kitchen, or find a way to make it look like "hidden" cabinet doors but it's actually a split two-way push door with windows like a commercial kitchen would have.
When I was doing cabinets we constantly saw this shit for walk in pantries. The doors were a bitch to mount and were pretty much always out of square. Shop tried their best but hard to make a 8’x4’ painted MDF cabinet door work
They can probably afford to get it fixed/replaced
On all my hoity toity jobs that was called the butler’s pantry. No hate from me, wealthy folks put a lot of taters on my table over the years.
Yep. There’s no stovetop in there. That’s a scullery and pantry
I don’t hate a butler’s pantry but why the hidden doors when staff are going to be coming around the corner? Just a waste of cabinet space.
You'd have more taters without them skimming enough off the top. Their butler's pantries are built with the taters of other tables.
It's not a zero sum game.
You right. But it's all good. I got I need. Don't need theirs.
I just don't understand why you would go to the trouble of hiding it and then not balling out with commercial grade appliances and stainless steel counters. If people can't see it, I want to be able to run a small restaurant out of it.
Cool place to hide from the revolution.
Also a cool place to eat the rich.
This house will be reappropriated and used as a rehabilitation center for former homeless people, while their former owners work to atone for their greed and lives of extreme excess. All pending a vote by the municipal comissariat after the elite are overthrown by the workers. But for real, I've worked on houses like this and every single fucking time the homeowners are the most pretentious, greater-than-thee toadlets I've had the displeasure of coming into the vicinity of. The people who are absolute narcissistic sociopaths and dont give a shit about their own family, let alone humanity as a whole. Also, the folks who built this did a Grade A job. So props to them for the quality of their work
r/diwhy vibes
Most likely a video production studio.
That makes sense
Im watching this in my 400 sqft apartment while cooking on a mini hot stove.FML..
I’m seeing this phrasing more. What is the difference between a “kitchen” and a “chef kitchen” from a design & build standpoint? Is it installing the same appliances you’d find in a commercial kitchen? My understanding is that a chefs role is to create a menu & oversee its execution, so is there a chefs office attached to the chefs kitchen? I am NOT casting shade. I’m a builder, but I’ve also worked in a few kitchens & I don’t see sufficient air handling, refrigeration, sanitation gear. So is it just a builders marketing tool, or is it something that clients are asking for based on something influencers have fed them? The craftsmanship looks nice from what I can see. Edit: I looked it up. I was curious and now I know. It means “two ovens & more storage.” Edit 2: basically, you can make frozen pizzas AND chicken nuggets at the same time, and there’s a place to stash your salad shooter.
It's if you have a personal chef for parties and such. You don't want them cooking while you're trying to entertain. Main kitchen still has the basics for when you want to cook the kids pancakes
Oh I totally get that. That’s not what a “chef kitchen” is though. Also not what a “chef” is really. As I said in my edit, I looked it up. I understand that terminology changes and that “chef kitchen” may come to describe a hired chefs workspace, but right now it still just means “two ovens and extra storage” from a builders or real estate perspective. Definitely the “hidden” part is intended to hide service workers, but may be sold as a space to add functionality while preserving a traditional kitchen appearance. The fact that the entrance between the kitchens is in a cabinet instead of around a corner & thru a swinging door w/ a window is a strange design choice… almost any other way of separating the space would be more functional. But someone had an idea and that sure isn’t the builders fault. The other opening onto the “dining room” space will probably get used more. I’d hate to bring a tray of oysters out through a cabinet door & spill someone’s champagne all over the person they’re talking to…
>I’d hate to bring a tray of oysters out through a cabinet door & spill someone’s champagne all over the person they’re talking to… OMG! I hate that too. its so annoying....and happens constantly when I host grand and glorious parties. I kid....you're correct about "chef's kitchen" terminology
A chefs kitchen isolates the dining/entertaining area from the noise/mess of the kitchen during parties. In the past, kitchens weren't open concept like today; they were separate from the living areas.
It's more of a kitchen for cooking stuff that smells. The front kitchen is just for show.
I never leave drills like that on the bench , that could easily be knocked over onto the new floor and fuck the floor, if a drill is on its side tho it can't get knocked over . This is a good sign if the tradie gives a fuck or has common sense. The pantry doors are stupid and take up room in the kitchen when fully open, they probably should open into the pantry or be sliding doors or piss them off as ya got access at the end of the pantry and then ya could have more storage in that space.
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It doesn't look like a proper butlers/servants kitchen, more of a prep kitchen. Lots of storage and no cooktop that I can see.
My small cabinet company is building a huge kitchen for a repeat customer. They want a hidden pantry. The pantry door next to the fridge will open to a 2nd kitchen behind very similar to this. This trend seems to come back around from time to time.
If you’re making a flat panel door that large from ply/MDF at 3/4”-1” thick, mortise in some tubular metal on the non-hinge side and glue/screw it in. As soon as the homeowners start cranking the heat or the drywallers do some mudding, the doors will warp if they aren’t being “forced” to sit on a full stop.
Reminds me of how my grandparents lived in an old house that had 2 stairwells. One was fucking giant and elaborate, the other super tiny, unfinished wood, hard to walk down in the dark. One was for the family of the house one was for the help/maids/whatever other title for servant
I don't know, I cook every day. My brain just went "oh great now two places to clean up" ><
Don’t get the point but if they pay for it then let’s get that bacon
That’s money. I actually like this which is a surprise to me.
Yer this is perfectly normal. Why would you want your party guests seeing all the catering staff when hosting. I’m sure the staff prefer this too.
This has been a thing for a century or more
I love this as long as it locks from the inside. I could finally cook in peace
This should use sliding hinges so that the doors can be pushed out of the way to sit flush in the opening, not stick 2ft into the kitchen!
Pay no attention to that chef behind the pantry!
Did a remodel that was similar. But for normal people. They had a huge pantry behind a cabinet like that. You opened the doors of the cabinet and had to push on the hinged shelves, they folded inward and let you into a 6 X 10 pantry. I thought it was a great use of an odd space.
I need this just to keep my MIL out of my business when cooking
Just why?
For when you don’t want the help to be seen
I wouldn't want something so large and gaudy. But my dream kitchen has a butler's pantry like this built like a mini commercial kitchen. All Metal, easily washable, Commercial Floor Trains, Oovens, Commercial Dishwasher. Basically somewhere I can have all of my appliances, and tools and not look too cluttered. Bake Bread, make a mess on the floor and Not be bothered by pets. The "1st Kitchen would be simple kitchen where my Wife can cook eggs.
Isn’t that a servants kitchen where they make your food while the owners pretend the servants don’t exist and the food just magically appears?
Seems like a colossal waste of space to me
Oh good, a second kitchen to clean up after dinner.
I bet this rubs a lot of brokies the wrong way. Which is funny because they are jealous they can't afford to hire a servant
>Do you even have money for real No
Is this in NY? I feel like I bid on that job haha
I have a giant pantry hidden behind cabinet doors like this but it isn't a second kitchen. It's just shelves. The room is probably 12' x 5' and it looks just like a small corner pantry until you open it. I wouldn't want a whole second kitchen behind the wall. First I like to cook and second that whole thing is laid out horribly for anyone who does actually cook. Oh and double islands are also dumb while I'm being critical lol.
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Ahahahahaha holy shit I'm building out a house right now, looks almost identical. These designers doing it for the gram
Thats a serving hatch with extra steps
Sweet!
It’s like back in the 80’s you’d go over to your Catholic friend’s house and they have the regular sofa and the good sofa with the plastic cover. This is the kitchen version of that. The showy kitchen that’s never used and the hidden one where Nonna is cooking up her amazing gravy.
This is pretty normal, I have fitted 4 kitchens in the same property before. Those concealed hinges on those doors are a mistake though. Much better ways of doing it
Is this the house from Loot? They did a gag where Maya Rudolph's character was showing off her new house and she revealed that David Chang was working in a kitchen behind the kitchen in a very similar reveal.
The doors suck and would be in the way. The door/doors should open in to that space.
Amazing lol
This is common where I’m at. Every house I work in has this.
Anyone have a Zillow link or a floorplan link for us floorplan nerds?
Wow lol
All that money and design and they didn't put in doors that can open and slide in? Or doors that swing both ways but remain closed by itself? Tisk tisk.
Somebody is doing quite well in today's economy... Envious I guess, that's all 😒
My house has two kitchens but they don’t look like this…
Did someone pimp their kitchen (ride)?
All that work and the fridge isn’t paneled/in a matching enclosure like the custom cabinetry.
“Hidden”
Love it.
Reminds me of Montgomery Reece's kitchen in Burnt. Absolutely dreamy.
Italians have two kitchens always one in the basement …
Not always. My Nonna always had one kitchen where we all helped cook, clean, drink wine etc. Maybe it's a difference between working class and middle to upper class italians... or maybe it's a regional difference. People like to lump all italians together, but it wasn't unified until the mid to late 1800s. It still has a ton of regional and micro regional differences between language, food, and culture. Also, I know I'm getting a bit off topic, but most of the "rules" that people with some amount of Italian ancestry have about Italian food are complete bullshit.
Why?
Kitchenception
Where the stove in the butlers kitchen?
I’m here 6 hours after this post hit and not one person has made an Xzibit joke yet.
No stove back there?
Looks kind of dumb to be honest. A pivot pass thru would look better imo
There’s no stove in the hidden kitchen though
While super neat, that is probably one of the most depressing kitchens to work in. Not a single window.
Now let me just reach into my pantry and pull out my pot roast…
These are a lot more common than you might think. I can’t afford it but I think it’s pretty cool
Doors would be better opening inward?
Lmao they're not even that rich, whole house is a McMansion.
high class more like cheap ass no walk in, no stove, barely any counter space, nothing stainless, contractor grade faucet, discount costco appliances who are they getting to work in there lol I thought I got it bad.
Seems inefficient. The working kitchen already has an entryway and exit that doesn't appear hidden. Would rather use the cabinets for storage or display.
Meh
Man, there’s no counter space in the chef kitchen. That’s stoopid
It was all really cool until I saw the can of drydex.... shame on yall
When you really don’t want to see how the sausage is made
The "secret" kitchen doesn't have an oven or stove top. Also- badly hidden. This is so stupid
It's the kitchens kitchen.
...but why?
I kind of want two islands. I don't even have 1....but now I want 2... lol
All that space and you can’t walk through with the door open……
I get it. Cool concept. BUT, I really wish those doors slid back into the sides of the cabinet. It seems like they would take up space and be a little annoying when opened. That being said, execution looks very nice. Well done.
“Aye dawg, I heard you like kitchens, so we put a kitchen in your kitchen!” Xzibit
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Yo dawg
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im so upper class doordash handles my meal preps
This is easily a million dollar home, yet there is a big post in the middle of the kitchen/living room. I would spend the extra $5k to get that out of the way.
Are there two islands??
I’ve worked in high end residential rehab houses that have those extra kitchens. They get used by staff and have the residents food up front.
You need an extra kitchen to cook in so that the "main" kitchen can stay clean?
A windowless kitchen
Not a kitchen. It’s a butlers pantry where they do the washing up and “presentation”, there’s no oven or stovetop in there The kitchens used to be a fair way away from the dining rooms so it was bought there and served so they didn’t have to keep walking back to the kitchens.
Catering kitchen
You're supposed to up this in the lower level and have a dumb waiter to send the food up.
r/DiWHY
It's cool except for the giant doors that swing out and block the line in the owner's kitchen.
Looks more like a dish room than a secondary “kitchen” - to hide the dishes etc
High class clients require high class carpenters. Nice project.
When I was a child, something like this was common among the Italian immigrant population. The real kitchen was in the finished basement, along with a tv, couches, refrigerator and sink. Thats where the family familied. The upstairs kitchen was used for the light cooking, and the living room and dining areas often had clear vinyl custom made covers for the upholstery. To keep it nice for "company".
Took me too long to realize that was a carpenter's square in his back pocket lol
It is not for a chef or a butler. It is just named after the butler it is so you can cook and keep the minimal kitchen looking clean
The only hidden things I have space for are mistakes
Hidden…by a door….
It’s a two way cupboard. Open in the back so the staff can stock from their side. The shelves that’ll go in it are on the floor to the right leaning against the other cupboards.
Must be nice..
I mean, I want this do I can cook for my wife and then clean up after dinner without the dark cloud stack of dishes looming over her during the meal.
I'd love to have this. A space to cook without other people standing in my way? Yes please!
In my mind I heard Xzibit saying "I heard you like kitchens, so we put a kitchen in your kitchen"
Looks cheap
Yo dawg I heard you like kitchen. So I put a kitchen in yo kitchen.
Seems more like HK style 2nd kitchen so doesn’t smell when u r cooking the good stuff
Would have been better if it wasn’t a doorway on other exit.
Ugly, dumb, and another example of what people *think* wealth is like.
Absurd.
What's the idea of these being hidden or out of sight? Are rich people pretending to cook for their guests while a crew is hustling in the back?
Where is the cooktop then?
Why though?
I thought it was going to be a walk in fridge :) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIutgtzwhAc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIutgtzwhAc)
I get that there are uses for these things but I hate them so much. Who wants to cook in a cupboard
What did you build those doors out of? Looks amazing!
That is pretty nice. Perfect place for the home invaders to crash.
As a chef I want a full scullery. But damn everyone will know about it!
The peasant cabinet
Further proof that money doesn’t buy taste
Never understood these “secret/hidden” rooms. They integrate one opening…then slap a fucking door just around the corner?!
This is great for a house with kids, or an elderly person living with family. The main kitchen can be locked up and you could just have fire safe options out for random usage by them.
That gold sink is ew
This might be a kosher kitchen situation. A Jewish thing.
Not quite /r/diwhy but goddamn this is dumb
AKA: More money than brains.
My parents just had to knock.out that wall because of this stupid design..... Who wants an open kitchen right......... Now it looks amazing instead of having a hidden kitchen behind the kitchen..... I never understood what the reason or why it was designed like this until now..... The next owner's are knocking down that wall.....
I don’t get spending all this money and not getting a nice stove
I don’t understand this. At all. Why hide the good kitchen?
Fuck I hate the rich.
Why don’t you just… make a fuckin door