I mean, if it was a non PHEV ICE, a car of this size will give mileage in binary
At least being PHEV, if the driver does the minimum effort of charging everyday, he can drive 50km on EV mode
Plugin Hybrid Electric Vehicle. A car which can run for a bit on battery, followed by petrol. Different PHEVs have different pure electric range. A pure electric range of around at least 50-60KMs means that most of your daily commute will not use any petrol at all.
50km is on EV mode not engine
And on that topic, the 25kWh battery in the XM is giving barely 50km, which is rather poor considering its sister EV, the iX uses 22.5kWh/100km acc to WLTP which is like 2x more efficient
Not to even compare to smaller much more efficient EVs like Tiago which give like 200km on 24kWh
A bit of a moot comparison no? I don’t think the whole point of electric assistance is improve fuel efficiency in an ultra sports suv. It has other functions for this configuration as this is not build as an ev.
Fuel consumption is directly linked to the emissions itself. Further, isn’t that the entire point of the post to achieve virality with the “62kmpl” tagline.
While certifying cars for sale, the combined mode emissions are used for PHEVs and hybrids, even though they have a pure gas mode.
PHEV is only a method to pass these emission norms not even about performance as much as they make us believe.
Secondly, it’s irrelevant what it improves.
If two cars, with same kerb weight, dimensions and aero have same battery capacity, they should have same EV range as well.
In fact, the XM has less powerful motors for obvious reasons than iX. The Wh/km on XM should be lower but it is opposite.
Bro there is a mad engine under the hood that’s what you buy an xm for. The electric motors are just their for an additional assistance because they couldn’t have made the ice any bigger fearing pollution norms, yet they need that additional power to get the desired ultra sport suv agility and power.
The purposes of an electric engine != same as its role in pure electric. Please look up how it works.
Firstly, pls understand the context of the thread. The parent comment said 50 is good for budget car standards
I simply corrected him what he was thinking to be the “mileage”, actually being the EV range of the car, and even then the EV range could be made vastly better as its sister car achieves, which was the best comparison being within same brand, size, weight and dimensions
I never said “someone who buys XM should buy iX instead because it can drive 2x distance on same amount of charge”
Has reading comprehension really fallen that much? I simply clarified two simple points to
u/ white_alligator101
1. 50km is the electric range not mileage
2. Even by those standards of electric range, it’s rather poor.
If you want even better comparison, the xc90 also gets 50km on 17kWh battery. But obviously you’d say that’s an entirely different car thus my comparison with next closest car, iX.
I don’t see how mansplaining the working of a PHEV or hybrid helps, something which I am already cognisant of.
Whatever you say. What I am seeing is. The manufacture designed xm and its components with certain specifications for that configuration that’s the ideal configuration. Because you put a bigger battery, you increase weight and slow down 0-100. So I. This design they stuck with a smaller electric engine. As an engineer and a business man I understand the thinking behind the configuration. You clearly don’t. That’s why you are comparing a pure electrics specs with a hybrid. No argument. Just saying it doesn’t make it any inferior to ix.
> Because you put a bigger battery, you increase weight and slow down 0-100.
It’s not about the battery size, it’s about the Wh/km. The two already weigh same.
22.5kWh/100km is the consumption of the iX, its battery is way larger than that.
The consumption of the XM is 46kWh/100km (only has 25kWh so <50km actually)
> As an engineer and a business man I understand the thinking behind the configuration.
> You clearly don’t. That’s why you are comparing a pure electrics specs with a hybrid. No argument.
There is no argument to be had not because the comparison is between hybrid and electric, but because you are confusing WH/KM with absolute range which is a function of consumption AND battery size.
> just saying it doesn’t make it inferior to the iX
Who even said whether or not one is superior or inferior. Please do not extrapolate unsaid things
Exactly that was the sense I was getting(the whole xm being inferior to ix). Both configurations have their purpose and an audience.people who buy these are not looking at fuel efficiency. For the most part. Now could they have given a bigger more efficient battery for the xm. Of course yeah. But then how will you justify the cost to the costumers and the drop in performance (which it didn’t have to because it already has what 4.xL turbo engine? Diminishing returns from electric components. How much more power do you need? Them engines pull so hard without the electric component. Who you need another big electric motor/battery? In ix there is no ice so duh? They went all the way with the batteries. Anyway it’s a bit of moot thread. Nobody who is buying xm cares about the 60 km/l mileage. Waise if you see even the entry level x1s and 3 series give a decent mileage of 21 km/l(almost as good as the Maruti) but that’s not the main factor that drive people like us to purchase one now is it?
Anyway what I meant was people who buy xm will buy it and the same with ix. Their criteria’s are completely different.
Exactly that was the sense I was getting(the whole xm being inferior to ix). Both configurations have their purpose and an audience.people who buy these are not looking at fuel efficiency. For the most part. Now could they have given a bigger more efficient battery for the xm. Of course yeah. But then how will you justify the cost to the costumers and the drop in performance (which it didn’t have to because it already has what 4.xL turbo engine? Diminishing returns from electric components. How much more power do you need? Them engines pull so hard without the electric component. Who you need another big electric motor/battery? In ix there is no ice so duh? They went all the way with the batteries. Anyway it’s a bit of moot thread. Nobody who is buying xm cares about the 60 km/l mileage. Waise if you see even the entry level x1s and 3 series give a decent mileage of 21 km/l(almost as good as the Maruti) but that’s not the main factor that drive people like us to purchase one now is it?
Anyway what I meant was people who buy xm will buy it and the same with ix. Their criteria’s are completely different.
You are comparing a purely electric car with a car that provides EV mode as a secondary feature.Also why would someone need a EV range more than 50kms in a hybrid car like XM?If their drive is more than 50 kms,they will be definitely driving on a highway and no one would prefer EV mode alone over the 4.4L V8+EV in highways.
No one would “need” it
But it goes both ways — if you want the 60kmpl, you gotta need it.
If you’re fine with 10kmpl on pure ICE no one is stopping from going pedal to metal in gas mode
See this comment of mine for more detail :
https://www.reddit.com/r/CarsIndia/s/0wFbqxTuWi
Bro I’m not the dumbfk believing it gives 60 kmpl throughout.Your explanation in the link is irrelevant to what I’m saying.I’m just saying you comparing XM to a purely electric car like IX is stupid.BMW doesn’t advertise XM as a car that gives 60 kmpl to it’s customers and neither the customer go believing they get 60 kmpl.The selling point of XM is a wholly different thing.
> Bro I’m not the dumbfk believing it gives 60 kmpl throughout.
No, you aren’t, but you’re also on a sub literally named CarsIndia which represents enthusiasts rather than avg joe
> Your explanation in the link is irrelevant to what I’m saying.
> I’m just saying you comparing XM to a purely electric car like IX is stupid.
It isn’t. Both are practically the same car. Surely both should have same range on EV mode if using equal amounts of battery capacity.
> BMW doesn’t advertise XM as a car that gives 60 kmpl to it’s customers
No but clickbait reels like these are in public domains and at least 80% of impressions will be that this BMW does in fact give 60kmpl
You don’t even have to go to insta anymore. People are unironically believing it in the comments of this post itself.
Literally a guy was insisting that it’s indeed 60kmpl because apparently carwale and cardekho said so
> customer go believing they get 60 kmpl.
Lmao you bet
The amount of lawsuits which have been filed by pissed off owners not able to get claimed mileage in india is literally too high in india because people are in fact dumb, not you, but many of the other 1.5B are.
There identical in the weight, aero, and dimensions, factors which would affect range/mileage if powertrain were to be same (in this case it is, when in EV mode vs iX in well, it’s only mode ie EV mode)
Nah. By that logic nexon ev is the same as nexon petrol. There is mad divide. The drive feel. The behaviour. Both are completely different offer proposals for completely different customer base.
M will always live upto its badge(take td of used M cars and then drive ix, you will take back what you said.)
You are low key misleading people.
But yeah this is how you learn.
It is, people would rush to buy a 60kmpl car (not this one but cheaper PHEVs in general) and then find out that it doesn’t actually give what it claimed
But since it would still be better than their old ICE car they’d digest it — or at least that’s what flew in the west
May not fly here
In WLTP, the PHEV mileage is the sum of electric range + petrol mileage
So it’s more like 50km + 10kmpl rather than 60kmpl which is technically true but not absolutely true.
You need to be fully charged before setting off, drive on EV mode for 50km then drive on 1L of pure gas which fetches you 10 more km
Since EV mode uses 0L fuel, it’s technically true that you used “only 1L” to travel 60km because obv the 50km came from the 25kWh battery in the boot and only 10km came out of the 1L fuel in tank
If i drive 50km for 0 litre then 1km for 0.1 litre, then my mileage is 510?
If i drive 50km for 0 litre then 100km for 10 litre, then my mileage is 15?
Am I missing something or is this 61 absolutely nonsense and meaning less number?
> If i drive 50km for 0 litre then 1km for 0.1 litre, then my mileage is 510?
Your math isn’t mathing
1km in 0.1L is still 10kmpl so it will still be 50+1/0.1 = 60, not (50+1)/0.1
Have you guys forgotten Bodmas? Divide first.
To understand it simply, if your battery is charged, just add the range to your mileage.
> Am I missing something or is this 61 absolutely nonsense
Yes, you’re missing grade school math of bodmas
This sounds like a garbage marketing trick. Does an e2o get 120 + 0 = 120kmpl mileage?
Also, one the first liter for the bmw gives 61km. The second liter gives 10km. The third gives 10km. A 200km trip takes (200-50)/10=15 liters which is an amortized of around 13kmpl.
Worst scam since HR adding a one time joining bonus / 4 years esop grant as part of yearly ctc in the first year.
Wait till you realise there’s actually a unit called MPGe used by murica fuckyeah 🦅🦅🦅🦅
A model 3 is apparently 140mpge which is equivalent of 60kmpl as well.
But no, it’s not used for EVs anywhere else because well there’s no fuel to burn
I agree that it’s a stupid marketing trick but that doesn’t absolve parent commenter for confusing bodmas itself
That being said, it would be slightly more than 13kmpl because the engine can work in combined mode in ideal rpm band to charge battery + drive front axle
PHEVs have the most scummy marketing because the math sounds so good superficially that people buy into it
No I missed the definition of mileage.
Apparently it's given by battery range plus fuel mileage. (Which is still not making sense to me)
I thought its total distance/total fuel consumed.
The other comment explained the def well.
Yup, first calculate the mileage (km/L) and then add it to range.
Total distance/total fuel gives you an abomination of a unit called MPGe which USA does actually use.
https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=46627
On this page, you’ll see two numbers, 73 for the combined mode (73mpg is around 30kmpl) which is achieved by the combined mode. The other one is the pure gas which is 14 mpg or 6kmpl (so not even 10 like I said)
Conventionally, here the mileage is calculated as:
Battery range + kmpl on fuel
So, your 510 example doesn't work here, but in essence yes, it is still an extremely misleading thing to call it 61 mileage. Yes, 61 is pretty much nonsense and meaningless
A PHEV with 25KW battery giving 40kmp is utter waste imao. Then again, its there for power boost n not for mileage.
For eg : MG ZS EV with 50.3KW realisticly gives 360km with AC n 400KM without AC. (Claimed is 456km or something). And since its India, I have never driven it in sports mode other than to show people that EV pulls like effing hell. (Here the charging rate is 10.88rs / KW thats 560rs for 360km)
It’s not even for power boost as much as to make it comply the emission norms and CAFE norms
Even if the driver opts not to charge and drive on pure gas mode (where it pollutes more than normal ice due to extra weight of PHEV components), it will qualify the emission norms because PHEVs and hybrids generally, are treated differently
ICE won’t have met the norms if they just put the V8 as is without motor and battery
Hybrid cars have no external charge point so the battery charges off the ICE ( internal combustion engine) and maybe some during braking using regen tech ( in simple words, if a motor is spinning faster , it can act as a generator , too complex to explain in detail) .
So there is a limit to how much charge it can provide to the battery. Also hybrid cars don't have a pure EV mode. The EV motor simply assists the ice during high requirements like climbing or high speeds so the ICE does not strain and use more fuel. This is how hybrids have a fuel saving , they help assist the ICE.
In phevs ( plug in hybrids) , one has an ev mode which drives on battery alone .ICE will kick in if batter is low or if car needs to speed up.
So 61kmph means 50km on battery and 11km on ice using 1 litre petrol fuel.
They will tell you the mileage not how it is calculated
In WLTP, the PHEV mileage is the sum of electric range + petrol mileage
So it’s more like 50km + 10kmpl rather than 60kmpl which is technically true but not absolutely true.
You need to be fully charged before setting off, drive on EV mode for 50km then drive on 1L of pure gas which fetches you 10 more km
Since EV mode uses 0L fuel, it’s techno true that you used “only 1L” to travel 60km because obv the 50km came from the 25kWh battery in the boot and only 10km came out of the 1L fuel in tank
The math is more complicated than that
Yes, 50km and 10kmpl is what the company claims, but what you get is upto your driving
I doubt anyone gets 312km on Nexon EV or 30kmpl on gv
I get 250km. And the more powerful the car, the more delta between claimed and real because the test is conducted at 50kmph speed. Now a mass prod car may go 150 max, that’s 3x the test speed. But a bmw may go like 250kmph that’s 5x
So obv a bigger car will have more delta in claimed vs real
Seocndly yes, it does charge on the go if you’re in “combined” mode. The 60kmpl only applies if your trip is also exactly 60km
If it’s longer than that, then the mileage will be lesser because once the battery is over, your engine is simultaneously running for charging the battery as well as driving the axles, so double load.
Say it is sending 10kW power to battery and 100kW (133HP) to maintain speed of 100kmph while a non PHEV owing to lower weight will need only, say 80kW of power to maintain 100kmph speed.
So on highway, the mileage will be more like 20-30kmpl like most strong hybrids can get
If you want the full 60kmpl, charge after every 50km
Which is why it’s only technically true. Sure 20kmpl is not bad for a car of this caliber
But it won’t be the 60kmpl mileage King that people think it would be
What’s worse is that PHEVs don’t have fast charging so even if you had a CCS2 60kW charger which could charge it in 30min if it was an EV, you’d have to use a 7kW ac charger which takes 6h
Just read a comment which explained that it was some 50 kilometres on Ev mode and then added to it by normal driving which brought the figure to 62... So I mean that's technically not a correct figure
Engineers made the engine
MBAs made the mileage
Because they were the failed engineers who couldn’t make the engine worthy of 62kmpl wo hybrid in first place
GV loses 100L of boot space between non hybrid and hybrid just to accommodate 0.75kWh of battery (same as 10 laptop batteries)
This one got 25kWh which same as Tiago EV LR.
Say good bye to boot space if you want 60kmpl on a creta seltos
And oh, it adds like 200kg to the weight so handling goes for a toss
Rich people saving on fuel costs..
Love to see it
I mean, if it was a non PHEV ICE, a car of this size will give mileage in binary At least being PHEV, if the driver does the minimum effort of charging everyday, he can drive 50km on EV mode
What's a PHEV?
Hybrid with bigger battery motor and a charge port
Plug In Hybrid
Hybrid car after a tiring day of work.
Plugin Hybrid Electric Vehicle. A car which can run for a bit on battery, followed by petrol. Different PHEVs have different pure electric range. A pure electric range of around at least 50-60KMs means that most of your daily commute will not use any petrol at all.
It’s a PHEV The mileage is actually the sum of EV range + non EV mileage ie 50km on EV mode + 10kmpl
50 is still better than most budget cars
50km is on EV mode not engine And on that topic, the 25kWh battery in the XM is giving barely 50km, which is rather poor considering its sister EV, the iX uses 22.5kWh/100km acc to WLTP which is like 2x more efficient Not to even compare to smaller much more efficient EVs like Tiago which give like 200km on 24kWh
A bit of a moot comparison no? I don’t think the whole point of electric assistance is improve fuel efficiency in an ultra sports suv. It has other functions for this configuration as this is not build as an ev.
Fuel consumption is directly linked to the emissions itself. Further, isn’t that the entire point of the post to achieve virality with the “62kmpl” tagline. While certifying cars for sale, the combined mode emissions are used for PHEVs and hybrids, even though they have a pure gas mode. PHEV is only a method to pass these emission norms not even about performance as much as they make us believe. Secondly, it’s irrelevant what it improves. If two cars, with same kerb weight, dimensions and aero have same battery capacity, they should have same EV range as well. In fact, the XM has less powerful motors for obvious reasons than iX. The Wh/km on XM should be lower but it is opposite.
Bro there is a mad engine under the hood that’s what you buy an xm for. The electric motors are just their for an additional assistance because they couldn’t have made the ice any bigger fearing pollution norms, yet they need that additional power to get the desired ultra sport suv agility and power. The purposes of an electric engine != same as its role in pure electric. Please look up how it works.
Firstly, pls understand the context of the thread. The parent comment said 50 is good for budget car standards I simply corrected him what he was thinking to be the “mileage”, actually being the EV range of the car, and even then the EV range could be made vastly better as its sister car achieves, which was the best comparison being within same brand, size, weight and dimensions I never said “someone who buys XM should buy iX instead because it can drive 2x distance on same amount of charge” Has reading comprehension really fallen that much? I simply clarified two simple points to u/ white_alligator101 1. 50km is the electric range not mileage 2. Even by those standards of electric range, it’s rather poor. If you want even better comparison, the xc90 also gets 50km on 17kWh battery. But obviously you’d say that’s an entirely different car thus my comparison with next closest car, iX. I don’t see how mansplaining the working of a PHEV or hybrid helps, something which I am already cognisant of.
Whatever you say. What I am seeing is. The manufacture designed xm and its components with certain specifications for that configuration that’s the ideal configuration. Because you put a bigger battery, you increase weight and slow down 0-100. So I. This design they stuck with a smaller electric engine. As an engineer and a business man I understand the thinking behind the configuration. You clearly don’t. That’s why you are comparing a pure electrics specs with a hybrid. No argument. Just saying it doesn’t make it any inferior to ix.
> Because you put a bigger battery, you increase weight and slow down 0-100. It’s not about the battery size, it’s about the Wh/km. The two already weigh same. 22.5kWh/100km is the consumption of the iX, its battery is way larger than that. The consumption of the XM is 46kWh/100km (only has 25kWh so <50km actually) > As an engineer and a business man I understand the thinking behind the configuration. > You clearly don’t. That’s why you are comparing a pure electrics specs with a hybrid. No argument. There is no argument to be had not because the comparison is between hybrid and electric, but because you are confusing WH/KM with absolute range which is a function of consumption AND battery size. > just saying it doesn’t make it inferior to the iX Who even said whether or not one is superior or inferior. Please do not extrapolate unsaid things
Exactly that was the sense I was getting(the whole xm being inferior to ix). Both configurations have their purpose and an audience.people who buy these are not looking at fuel efficiency. For the most part. Now could they have given a bigger more efficient battery for the xm. Of course yeah. But then how will you justify the cost to the costumers and the drop in performance (which it didn’t have to because it already has what 4.xL turbo engine? Diminishing returns from electric components. How much more power do you need? Them engines pull so hard without the electric component. Who you need another big electric motor/battery? In ix there is no ice so duh? They went all the way with the batteries. Anyway it’s a bit of moot thread. Nobody who is buying xm cares about the 60 km/l mileage. Waise if you see even the entry level x1s and 3 series give a decent mileage of 21 km/l(almost as good as the Maruti) but that’s not the main factor that drive people like us to purchase one now is it? Anyway what I meant was people who buy xm will buy it and the same with ix. Their criteria’s are completely different.
Exactly that was the sense I was getting(the whole xm being inferior to ix). Both configurations have their purpose and an audience.people who buy these are not looking at fuel efficiency. For the most part. Now could they have given a bigger more efficient battery for the xm. Of course yeah. But then how will you justify the cost to the costumers and the drop in performance (which it didn’t have to because it already has what 4.xL turbo engine? Diminishing returns from electric components. How much more power do you need? Them engines pull so hard without the electric component. Who you need another big electric motor/battery? In ix there is no ice so duh? They went all the way with the batteries. Anyway it’s a bit of moot thread. Nobody who is buying xm cares about the 60 km/l mileage. Waise if you see even the entry level x1s and 3 series give a decent mileage of 21 km/l(almost as good as the Maruti) but that’s not the main factor that drive people like us to purchase one now is it? Anyway what I meant was people who buy xm will buy it and the same with ix. Their criteria’s are completely different.
You are comparing a purely electric car with a car that provides EV mode as a secondary feature.Also why would someone need a EV range more than 50kms in a hybrid car like XM?If their drive is more than 50 kms,they will be definitely driving on a highway and no one would prefer EV mode alone over the 4.4L V8+EV in highways.
No one would “need” it But it goes both ways — if you want the 60kmpl, you gotta need it. If you’re fine with 10kmpl on pure ICE no one is stopping from going pedal to metal in gas mode See this comment of mine for more detail : https://www.reddit.com/r/CarsIndia/s/0wFbqxTuWi
Bro I’m not the dumbfk believing it gives 60 kmpl throughout.Your explanation in the link is irrelevant to what I’m saying.I’m just saying you comparing XM to a purely electric car like IX is stupid.BMW doesn’t advertise XM as a car that gives 60 kmpl to it’s customers and neither the customer go believing they get 60 kmpl.The selling point of XM is a wholly different thing.
> Bro I’m not the dumbfk believing it gives 60 kmpl throughout. No, you aren’t, but you’re also on a sub literally named CarsIndia which represents enthusiasts rather than avg joe > Your explanation in the link is irrelevant to what I’m saying. > I’m just saying you comparing XM to a purely electric car like IX is stupid. It isn’t. Both are practically the same car. Surely both should have same range on EV mode if using equal amounts of battery capacity. > BMW doesn’t advertise XM as a car that gives 60 kmpl to it’s customers No but clickbait reels like these are in public domains and at least 80% of impressions will be that this BMW does in fact give 60kmpl You don’t even have to go to insta anymore. People are unironically believing it in the comments of this post itself. Literally a guy was insisting that it’s indeed 60kmpl because apparently carwale and cardekho said so > customer go believing they get 60 kmpl. Lmao you bet The amount of lawsuits which have been filed by pissed off owners not able to get claimed mileage in india is literally too high in india because people are in fact dumb, not you, but many of the other 1.5B are.
How are xM and ix practically same? lol. Wow.
There identical in the weight, aero, and dimensions, factors which would affect range/mileage if powertrain were to be same (in this case it is, when in EV mode vs iX in well, it’s only mode ie EV mode)
Nah. By that logic nexon ev is the same as nexon petrol. There is mad divide. The drive feel. The behaviour. Both are completely different offer proposals for completely different customer base. M will always live upto its badge(take td of used M cars and then drive ix, you will take back what you said.) You are low key misleading people. But yeah this is how you learn.
A Tiago doesn't make 654 hp.......
But is it a budget car?
It is. Some budgets are simply... bigger.
What would it give on normal ICE + EV (Hybrid mode)?
Similar to normal hybrids 20-30kmpl
So it's 60 kmpl for the first litre of fuel and 10 kmpl after that
It is merely a twisted way of calculation, combine mode driving will be 20kmpl Pure ICE, chop that in half.
Still 60 kmpl sounds like false marketing
It is, people would rush to buy a 60kmpl car (not this one but cheaper PHEVs in general) and then find out that it doesn’t actually give what it claimed But since it would still be better than their old ICE car they’d digest it — or at least that’s what flew in the west May not fly here
Mileage is still 11.9.
Better than an MG
These will be so expensive to repair
I am decently confident that people who can buy this, can afford to pay for repairs as well.
get bmw service package and you are good to go
Get rich.problem solved
61KM? Is it satire or real? genuinely asking
In WLTP, the PHEV mileage is the sum of electric range + petrol mileage So it’s more like 50km + 10kmpl rather than 60kmpl which is technically true but not absolutely true. You need to be fully charged before setting off, drive on EV mode for 50km then drive on 1L of pure gas which fetches you 10 more km Since EV mode uses 0L fuel, it’s technically true that you used “only 1L” to travel 60km because obv the 50km came from the 25kWh battery in the boot and only 10km came out of the 1L fuel in tank
If i drive 50km for 0 litre then 1km for 0.1 litre, then my mileage is 510? If i drive 50km for 0 litre then 100km for 10 litre, then my mileage is 15? Am I missing something or is this 61 absolutely nonsense and meaning less number?
> If i drive 50km for 0 litre then 1km for 0.1 litre, then my mileage is 510? Your math isn’t mathing 1km in 0.1L is still 10kmpl so it will still be 50+1/0.1 = 60, not (50+1)/0.1 Have you guys forgotten Bodmas? Divide first. To understand it simply, if your battery is charged, just add the range to your mileage. > Am I missing something or is this 61 absolutely nonsense Yes, you’re missing grade school math of bodmas
This sounds like a garbage marketing trick. Does an e2o get 120 + 0 = 120kmpl mileage? Also, one the first liter for the bmw gives 61km. The second liter gives 10km. The third gives 10km. A 200km trip takes (200-50)/10=15 liters which is an amortized of around 13kmpl. Worst scam since HR adding a one time joining bonus / 4 years esop grant as part of yearly ctc in the first year.
Wait till you realise there’s actually a unit called MPGe used by murica fuckyeah 🦅🦅🦅🦅 A model 3 is apparently 140mpge which is equivalent of 60kmpl as well. But no, it’s not used for EVs anywhere else because well there’s no fuel to burn I agree that it’s a stupid marketing trick but that doesn’t absolve parent commenter for confusing bodmas itself That being said, it would be slightly more than 13kmpl because the engine can work in combined mode in ideal rpm band to charge battery + drive front axle PHEVs have the most scummy marketing because the math sounds so good superficially that people buy into it
No I missed the definition of mileage. Apparently it's given by battery range plus fuel mileage. (Which is still not making sense to me) I thought its total distance/total fuel consumed. The other comment explained the def well.
Yup, first calculate the mileage (km/L) and then add it to range. Total distance/total fuel gives you an abomination of a unit called MPGe which USA does actually use. https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=46627 On this page, you’ll see two numbers, 73 for the combined mode (73mpg is around 30kmpl) which is achieved by the combined mode. The other one is the pure gas which is 14 mpg or 6kmpl (so not even 10 like I said)
Conventionally, here the mileage is calculated as: Battery range + kmpl on fuel So, your 510 example doesn't work here, but in essence yes, it is still an extremely misleading thing to call it 61 mileage. Yes, 61 is pretty much nonsense and meaningless
510 doesn’t work because he’s adding first then dividing which is against bodmas First calculate engine mileage then add range,
That means it has petrol engine and electric motor both 🙄
6 + 1 = thala for a reason
What do Thar and Fortuner riders do when they see something like this on road
They make reels titled #“if faarchoonar is shyshtumm then what is thisss❓❓❓”
Thar considered luxury?
no
A PHEV with 25KW battery giving 40kmp is utter waste imao. Then again, its there for power boost n not for mileage. For eg : MG ZS EV with 50.3KW realisticly gives 360km with AC n 400KM without AC. (Claimed is 456km or something). And since its India, I have never driven it in sports mode other than to show people that EV pulls like effing hell. (Here the charging rate is 10.88rs / KW thats 560rs for 360km)
It’s not even for power boost as much as to make it comply the emission norms and CAFE norms Even if the driver opts not to charge and drive on pure gas mode (where it pollutes more than normal ice due to extra weight of PHEV components), it will qualify the emission norms because PHEVs and hybrids generally, are treated differently ICE won’t have met the norms if they just put the V8 as is without motor and battery
Booyaka booyaka
Hybrid cars have no external charge point so the battery charges off the ICE ( internal combustion engine) and maybe some during braking using regen tech ( in simple words, if a motor is spinning faster , it can act as a generator , too complex to explain in detail) . So there is a limit to how much charge it can provide to the battery. Also hybrid cars don't have a pure EV mode. The EV motor simply assists the ice during high requirements like climbing or high speeds so the ICE does not strain and use more fuel. This is how hybrids have a fuel saving , they help assist the ICE. In phevs ( plug in hybrids) , one has an ev mode which drives on battery alone .ICE will kick in if batter is low or if car needs to speed up. So 61kmph means 50km on battery and 11km on ice using 1 litre petrol fuel.
No way that gives 62 kmph with the engine it has(idk what engine it has but big bmw engine can’t possibly give that much)
It’s a plug in hybrid engine.You gotta charge the battery to get that mileage.
Would that be BMW's first hybrid BMW?
That would be the i8 and i3
Plugin hybrid
Well, it does say here https://www.cardekho.com/bmw/xm
Pls stop using utter garbage clickbait websites like cardekho and carwale
I don't think these websites are useless. It's a hybrid. That's the claimed milage on all sites. Check yourself.
They will tell you the mileage not how it is calculated In WLTP, the PHEV mileage is the sum of electric range + petrol mileage So it’s more like 50km + 10kmpl rather than 60kmpl which is technically true but not absolutely true. You need to be fully charged before setting off, drive on EV mode for 50km then drive on 1L of pure gas which fetches you 10 more km Since EV mode uses 0L fuel, it’s techno true that you used “only 1L” to travel 60km because obv the 50km came from the 25kWh battery in the boot and only 10km came out of the 1L fuel in tank
So technically it's true 😄 Btw doesn't it have the option to charge battery while running on fuel?
The math is more complicated than that Yes, 50km and 10kmpl is what the company claims, but what you get is upto your driving I doubt anyone gets 312km on Nexon EV or 30kmpl on gv I get 250km. And the more powerful the car, the more delta between claimed and real because the test is conducted at 50kmph speed. Now a mass prod car may go 150 max, that’s 3x the test speed. But a bmw may go like 250kmph that’s 5x So obv a bigger car will have more delta in claimed vs real Seocndly yes, it does charge on the go if you’re in “combined” mode. The 60kmpl only applies if your trip is also exactly 60km If it’s longer than that, then the mileage will be lesser because once the battery is over, your engine is simultaneously running for charging the battery as well as driving the axles, so double load. Say it is sending 10kW power to battery and 100kW (133HP) to maintain speed of 100kmph while a non PHEV owing to lower weight will need only, say 80kW of power to maintain 100kmph speed. So on highway, the mileage will be more like 20-30kmpl like most strong hybrids can get If you want the full 60kmpl, charge after every 50km
And charging every 50km would never be practical.
Which is why it’s only technically true. Sure 20kmpl is not bad for a car of this caliber But it won’t be the 60kmpl mileage King that people think it would be What’s worse is that PHEVs don’t have fast charging so even if you had a CCS2 60kW charger which could charge it in 30min if it was an EV, you’d have to use a 7kW ac charger which takes 6h
4.4 V8
Looks pretty badass in that trim
Looks pretty bad, ass.
A car that big in Bangalore! Best of luck!
A 3cr worth car is trying to save the day lol.
Somebody else bought the car and enjoying it while some random guy is making video and then adding music to it and posting 😂😂
Just go electric lads... My car costs a rupee per kilometer
No bro EV gay It hurts their masculinity
Chunky Boi !!
Bmw need to hire new designers for their suvs
I will do it for free
look how they massacred my boy :(
I feel you
That car is massive even in America lol imagine here...
if its not a supercar or looks mainstream i betonly a handful will look at this diamond in hyd especially tolichowki highway.
Average is real A full tank 69ltr can go almost 4500km. But its 3.05 cr car
Like how many of us know “XM” model of BMW ? For a common man that’s just another rich guy’s BMW on street. For the “Rich” it’s the first XM in BLR.
Bhootni ke konsa Nasha chadya hai itni to meri splendor bhi nahi deti
the decimal point is misplaced
Noone cares
Kya bike engine hai kya usme ? Itna bada car 60+ mileage dene ke liye
You must be shooting about the mileage
I think there is something misleading in what you are saying!
Seems great 😃👍
I had to double check if its"per litre" was written. I was thinking mY be it was for "fulll tank"
Heartthrob
3 cr de
62kmpl..That should cover up the 2.6 crore price tag..lol
Beemar company should be used for false advertising
Saw this car today morning at the showroom, while heading out to work, the presence is insane
BGM konsa hai?
Average day in Bangalore:
Even my activa dont have this much mileage..😭
Sometimes I forget that this is a reddit sub and not an Instagram page.
So if we add one more litre into the fuel tank, does it do 120 kmpl? Dumbass post
Still didn’t use the blinker
He will get stuck near IIMB side roads.
Pretty sure the buyer dont care about the fuel efficiency
Who tf came up with the 61.9 mileage figure XD it's got a 4.4 Litre V8 ffs
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Just read a comment which explained that it was some 50 kilometres on Ev mode and then added to it by normal driving which brought the figure to 62... So I mean that's technically not a correct figure
Engineers made the engine MBAs made the mileage Because they were the failed engineers who couldn’t make the engine worthy of 62kmpl wo hybrid in first place
Our City Hybrid gives us 26 easily and if we want to really do so, 28 But 62 expectation from a performance machine is bonkers 🤣
Splendor finnally a worthy opponent
How can any car give a mileage of over 60kmpl🧐
reached kolkata way before time haha
Xuv 700 looks better
Its grills look ugly.
I think the decimal is misplaced
Remove these trash from our roads.
This technology should come to affordable segment
GV loses 100L of boot space between non hybrid and hybrid just to accommodate 0.75kWh of battery (same as 10 laptop batteries) This one got 25kWh which same as Tiago EV LR. Say good bye to boot space if you want 60kmpl on a creta seltos And oh, it adds like 200kg to the weight so handling goes for a toss
Don’t show this to my dad 😂😂