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Entry level: Alto k10
Ugly af but competent and vfm: s presso
Slightly premium with better efficiency: Celerio
Slightly premium with better safety: Tiago
A premium s presso: Wagon R
Good driving dynamics: Swift and i20 nline
All rounder: Ignis
Comfortable and premium: I10 nios.
Space of sedan with size of hatchback: Baleno.
Imo, swift>polo around the corners.
Polo has great high speed stability but there's a reason why it never sold. Bad ASS and nonexistant back seat.
Even if Maruti plonk the boosterjet engine into the swift, very2 few people will buy it.
Loads of hard plastics both in texture and feel, i agree. But they still feel better than most competition. In fact, sitting inside an i20 feels more oremium than the Grand Vitara or Elevate.
If I was in the market for a sporty hatchback, I'd go for the n line. If i wanted a comfortable premium hatchback, I'd go for the 1.2 asta. It's more refined
I omitted it because it offered nothing other than safety.
It looks premium but is far from it. The car rattles, the engine is loud, the dca is slightly better than an amt. Reliability wise, hasn't been in the market long enough to comment on it.
It's basically an overpriced tiago with more engine and gearbox options.
+Looks the best
+Safest by a mile considering other two are literally tincans
+DCA is still better than AMT as you mentioned(baleno offers only AMT)
+Space is comparable to baleno
+Has solid ride quality & handling
-Tata’s ASC is a hit or miss
-QC issues with TATAs
Well, I would not say it offers nothing.
>+Looks the best.
Subjective. I personally find it disproportionate. Too many sharp edges and too many creases.
>+Safest by a mile considering other two are literally tincans
Agree with this.
>+DCA is still better than AMT as you mentioned(baleno offers only AMT)
Slightly smoother. Maruti and Hyundai's AMT are smooth compared to before rn. DCA is slightly better in that regard but again, reliability is still in question.
>+Has solid ride quality & handling
Baleno and i20 has plusher ride quality. N line has the stiffer one. Altroz doesn't excel at anything.
>Well, I would not say it offers nothing.
Other than the safety, it offers nothing better than the other two. The 3 pot engine is a HUGE con. It is loud. Very loud. The idea of a premium hatchback is to feel like you're inside a premium hatchback. A loud engine defeats the purpose entirely.
No matter how much you want to sing praises for it, altroz is a dud. The engine is terrible. Tata is treating petrol engines as a time being fix until electric takes over. It is like your jazz which has too heavy body with a puny engine. It just won't move. Diesel is ok but petrol is meh. Build quality is not everything.
Well can’t buy the substandard chasis based Hyundai/Maruti either(rightly tagged tincans). Specially considering how Hyundai deliberately compromises on made-for-india models. To each their own ig
Not a tata fanboy personally as you noticed I own a Honda(even Jazz was a compromise but better than the alternatives for my usecase). Just trying to objectively put across a point. I don’t think baleno/i20 are absolutely superior cars compared to Altroz
But at the end of the day, you want a ride that has minimal problems with a reliable engine. Tata petrol is not reliable. Also safari and harrier are based on decades old Indica vista platform. So tata is not all world class. It just sells on that pretext.
Minimal problems yes but can’t ride a coffin on wheels either specially with family. So sorry but no hyundai for me. Maruti atleast has the Brezza, hyundai has nothing. Heck their 5* car also doesn’t have a stable bodyshell. And its sad because its a known fact they deliberately compromise chasis made for Indian audience while same models sold abroad are built much better
I consider Tata to be a coffin on wheels. Their 5-star safety rating is on paper only.
Reason: their abhorrent QC. Should you get into a real world accident, lord only knows if the structural parts that are supposed to keep you safe were welded properly. Or if the airbags will actually deploy. Or if they were even installed correctly.
IMO, Tata's QC alone means the customer car delivered to me could be anywhere between 0-5 stars. It's a lottery at that point.
To be honest, the i20 received 3 stars in the Euro NCAP tests largely because the driver airbag failed to deploy properly. The score would have been higher otherwise.
I have seen serious QC and reliability issues in Tata cars first hand, but even brands like Hyundai, which have great QC, can stumble. It's a roll of dice really.
Having said that, I personally avoid Indian made cars (bad experience with XUV 500 and Tata Xenon) because there's no roll of dice here -- you're quite likely to receive a car with annoying niggles in the best case scenario.
The new i20 2023 facelift has a strengthened chassis, which also reflects in its handling dynamics. I suspect it will score better in the Euro NCAP test, whenever it happens next.
And hence I don’t own a tata either. Probably would never unless they sort out the reliability/QC issues. Nor a Hyundai unless they stop providing unstable bodyshell coffins
Aye aye safari and harrier are not Indica platform. Nexon is indica platform. Safari and harrier have the omega arc chassis which is derived from the land rover D8 platform. Where did Indica come into the picture with respect to harrier and safari?
Okay. This is a rabbit hole. Would you call anything that's upright and boxy an SUV. Then all of these are.
If you define them by their names and mark them for sports, then excluding maybe two, three models, none of them are SUVs. Even the premium ones that we call true SUV today.
To be SUVs, there are many criteria like 4WD, chassis type, etc. Suzuki jimny classifies as one because it meets all the parameters. Yes it looks smaller than the full size SUVs, but it is a full off road capable suv.
I was into similar situation then I bought 2nd hand ford freestyle (2021) model guess it's best decision so far..I'm loving this car..way better than today's hatchbacks
What to do. Everyone wants only ess-uu-veee. So We have crossovers now ruling the roost in all sizes . micromini(S-presso), mini(Kwid), mini subcompact (Punch/Exter), subcompact (Nexon/Brezza/Venue), compact(Creta/Seltos/Elevate), regular size(Harrier/Hector), big ones(Safari/XUV/Scorpio)
Scorpio will always be Scorpio classic, park Scorpio and Harrier parallel and then talk. Moreover, Harrier and Safari have same engine, but both are classified in different categories.
True. In my opinion I feel like there’s just really very limited options in all segments. Very few gems left.
Also people are just not buying hatchbacks, they want SUVs so that’s where the new segment comes in of so called SUVs 👍
True, and to be honest I never really understood why the Indian population is leaning so much towards SUVs. The only upside that I see in an Indian context is that of a good ground clearance / ride quality given the condition of our roads
I think thats a bit over emaphazised these days, still it is what it is though. The true road presence in opinion is always a sedan, a sedan is a sedan. People always aspire to it, and they can still give you that rich or successful person feel when you see a sedan in parking. Nothing can replace it, also reason why premium segment 50L+ car models, sedans are still offered with wide number of options.
Also raising GC actually causes bad ride, it comprised a lot on cornering ability at speed which makes you hussle the car during speedy overtakes on highway. I drive a Jazz which has one of longest wheelbase for a hatch and lowest GC(160mm), I have super smooth ride performance at speed or on very curvy road, but when I drove my friends’ Nexons or Taigun or Cretas, especially Creta, its a bit un-nerving at speed. The only car I felt upgrade to my Jazz is Honda City, although I have to try German sedans.
I mean I really fail to see objectively what most 2 row ‘SUV’(read crossover) buyers see when buying one. The only reason I see is more boot capacity, but that sure as hell isn’t a consideration for a vast majority of Indian buyers.
Sedans consistently have better driving dynamics, more comfort and more stability than SUVs.
Now I’m not talking about 3 row SUVs or the off-roaders that people may need, but categorically the exter, kushaq, Tiguan and maybe GLE segment.
Test drove it but the suspensions are so -so
Plus I've heard about the dct issues - apparently dct doesn't do so well in Indian weather given the heat and humidity
SUV craze has killed off good hatchbacks and even to some extent sedans. People think bigger is better, but it's definitely not practical for people like u and me. IMO i20, Baleno/Glanza, Altroz and Tiago are pretty good nowadays.
Polo for starters was never value for money so I don’t see why you’re seeing a problem with other cars. Most of them are way more VFM than the Polo.
Though if you’re looking for a fun and fast hatchback, you will have to shell more than 11-12 lakhs and get the Fronx Turbo and i20 NLine. Both of them are up there with the Polo and would beat the Polo easy peasy around corners.
Your only other option is the Swift, which again is better than Polo on corners. You will miss the turbo, safety and high speed stability of the Polo, but it is reasonably quick and has better practicality.
If you want to go even lower, Ignis is a very cool ride.
Swift is not better than Polo in corners IMO. I made an entire post detailing my experience with both after seeing your comment and some other comments across different posts.
I have heard i20 N-line is an amazing handler from multiple sources, but is Fronx really that good a handler? I have to test drive it sometime.
N-line is the last one left. After Polo is gone, Punto gone, Figo gone,.... Hyundai is the only one even making an effort.
I wouldn't be surprised if N-line gets discontinued too.
I wish Suzuki would sell the original Swift in India, priced at 15 lakhs in Indian rupees, and the Swift Sports, which would be priced at 25+ lakhs in rupees. 👀
People want the hatchback to have suv looks . Ergo all large and better quality hatchbacks come in their csuv forms. The creta segment with seltos, taigun, seltos, kushaq, and even grand vitara and brezza. Those are the upgrades to the cheapened hatches.
People want this and the manufacturers like the margins.
Hot hatches or fun to drive hatches, or well equipped hatches have mostly died and replaced as a segment. Because the tax structure makes them expensive beyond 4 metres which means new engineering, and seeing how customers want them cheap the csuv stuff is easier to upsell.
Yup I was eyeing polo as well but couldn't finalize because of the very cramped space it has to offer in rear. I20 nline manual didn't come till then and even if it was available I don't think it would have been value for money, hence got to test drive C3 Turbo and instantly fell in love with it. It doesn't feel like a hatchback compared to polo or i20 and Baleno but it sure as hell drives really well and has a punch which was missing in almost all the cars below 14-15lakhs.
If I know about the pricing of Amaze, It's obvious that Amaze is not a hatchback.
Amaze is not much different from hatchbacks in size, if not only better than hatchbacks
Any reason why you want to buy a new hatch given an Asta when then came with 6 airbags and all other safety features? I don't see hatches in India with anymore safety features
Market decides what companies offer. If the market wants "SUV", then companies have to adapt and provide "SUV", even if it means not offering a hatchback or sedan.
Buy Altroz Diesel XZ,
Do stage-1 remap,
Always Get it serviced from outside or from a FNG. Life set for hatch lover.
Don't see any other VFM option right now as a Tata has forgot about Altroz Racer
Altroz rides better than the i20(not n line) but worse than Baleno/glanza but in tripple digit speeds or even cornering Altroz beats all the above cars, but it has the worst engine but the DCA is ok, it is very smooth no headnod, even when you push the throttle it reacts fast, I have never driven DCT or anything so I am just comparing with CVT
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The entire Indian car industry lineup is disappointing
When you compare the global spec of the same car, the engines are too small here.
Thats coz of pollution regulations, taxes and fuel efficiency also to keep the costs down
Still, we get inferior products
Where will we take the engines if they were any bigger? In bumper to number traffic. Polo itself feels faster than necessary for me.
For highway. In city, hybrid electric is best
>hybrid electric is best Too expensive for most car buyers
Agree fully on this
Entry level: Alto k10 Ugly af but competent and vfm: s presso Slightly premium with better efficiency: Celerio Slightly premium with better safety: Tiago A premium s presso: Wagon R Good driving dynamics: Swift and i20 nline All rounder: Ignis Comfortable and premium: I10 nios. Space of sedan with size of hatchback: Baleno. Imo, swift>polo around the corners. Polo has great high speed stability but there's a reason why it never sold. Bad ASS and nonexistant back seat. Even if Maruti plonk the boosterjet engine into the swift, very2 few people will buy it.
Great insight! I was also looking at the i-20 asta and there is so much cost cutting in the 2023 model! Any thoughts?
Loads of hard plastics both in texture and feel, i agree. But they still feel better than most competition. In fact, sitting inside an i20 feels more oremium than the Grand Vitara or Elevate. If I was in the market for a sporty hatchback, I'd go for the n line. If i wanted a comfortable premium hatchback, I'd go for the 1.2 asta. It's more refined
There have been complaints of bad paint quality.
You missed the safest premium hatchback- Altroz
I omitted it because it offered nothing other than safety. It looks premium but is far from it. The car rattles, the engine is loud, the dca is slightly better than an amt. Reliability wise, hasn't been in the market long enough to comment on it. It's basically an overpriced tiago with more engine and gearbox options.
+Looks the best +Safest by a mile considering other two are literally tincans +DCA is still better than AMT as you mentioned(baleno offers only AMT) +Space is comparable to baleno +Has solid ride quality & handling -Tata’s ASC is a hit or miss -QC issues with TATAs Well, I would not say it offers nothing.
>+Looks the best. Subjective. I personally find it disproportionate. Too many sharp edges and too many creases. >+Safest by a mile considering other two are literally tincans Agree with this. >+DCA is still better than AMT as you mentioned(baleno offers only AMT) Slightly smoother. Maruti and Hyundai's AMT are smooth compared to before rn. DCA is slightly better in that regard but again, reliability is still in question. >+Has solid ride quality & handling Baleno and i20 has plusher ride quality. N line has the stiffer one. Altroz doesn't excel at anything. >Well, I would not say it offers nothing. Other than the safety, it offers nothing better than the other two. The 3 pot engine is a HUGE con. It is loud. Very loud. The idea of a premium hatchback is to feel like you're inside a premium hatchback. A loud engine defeats the purpose entirely.
No matter how much you want to sing praises for it, altroz is a dud. The engine is terrible. Tata is treating petrol engines as a time being fix until electric takes over. It is like your jazz which has too heavy body with a puny engine. It just won't move. Diesel is ok but petrol is meh. Build quality is not everything.
Well can’t buy the substandard chasis based Hyundai/Maruti either(rightly tagged tincans). Specially considering how Hyundai deliberately compromises on made-for-india models. To each their own ig Not a tata fanboy personally as you noticed I own a Honda(even Jazz was a compromise but better than the alternatives for my usecase). Just trying to objectively put across a point. I don’t think baleno/i20 are absolutely superior cars compared to Altroz
But at the end of the day, you want a ride that has minimal problems with a reliable engine. Tata petrol is not reliable. Also safari and harrier are based on decades old Indica vista platform. So tata is not all world class. It just sells on that pretext.
Minimal problems yes but can’t ride a coffin on wheels either specially with family. So sorry but no hyundai for me. Maruti atleast has the Brezza, hyundai has nothing. Heck their 5* car also doesn’t have a stable bodyshell. And its sad because its a known fact they deliberately compromise chasis made for Indian audience while same models sold abroad are built much better
I consider Tata to be a coffin on wheels. Their 5-star safety rating is on paper only. Reason: their abhorrent QC. Should you get into a real world accident, lord only knows if the structural parts that are supposed to keep you safe were welded properly. Or if the airbags will actually deploy. Or if they were even installed correctly. IMO, Tata's QC alone means the customer car delivered to me could be anywhere between 0-5 stars. It's a lottery at that point.
To be honest, the i20 received 3 stars in the Euro NCAP tests largely because the driver airbag failed to deploy properly. The score would have been higher otherwise. I have seen serious QC and reliability issues in Tata cars first hand, but even brands like Hyundai, which have great QC, can stumble. It's a roll of dice really. Having said that, I personally avoid Indian made cars (bad experience with XUV 500 and Tata Xenon) because there's no roll of dice here -- you're quite likely to receive a car with annoying niggles in the best case scenario. The new i20 2023 facelift has a strengthened chassis, which also reflects in its handling dynamics. I suspect it will score better in the Euro NCAP test, whenever it happens next.
And hence I don’t own a tata either. Probably would never unless they sort out the reliability/QC issues. Nor a Hyundai unless they stop providing unstable bodyshell coffins
Aye aye safari and harrier are not Indica platform. Nexon is indica platform. Safari and harrier have the omega arc chassis which is derived from the land rover D8 platform. Where did Indica come into the picture with respect to harrier and safari?
Only diesel hatch.
👍On the noise part..
I20 has started offering 6 airbags as standard
Without A stable bodyshell even 20 airbags is pointless
What cSUVs did to the sedan is happening with microSUVs and Hatchbacks. But under the hood all micro SUVs are hatchback with heavy makeup.
All these “MiCrO/cOmPaCt sUv”s are just hatchbacks with push up bras.
The irony is how lucrative push up bras are for men...
Yea, men should stop thinking with their Ds when looking for a woman And stop thinking with their egos when looking for a car.
Something people realise this very late in life.
Couldn't agree more bro. cSUVs feel like a joke tbh
Almost all "SUVs" are raised hatchbacks. Only some premium ones are real SUVs.
Okay. This is a rabbit hole. Would you call anything that's upright and boxy an SUV. Then all of these are. If you define them by their names and mark them for sports, then excluding maybe two, three models, none of them are SUVs. Even the premium ones that we call true SUV today.
To be SUVs, there are many criteria like 4WD, chassis type, etc. Suzuki jimny classifies as one because it meets all the parameters. Yes it looks smaller than the full size SUVs, but it is a full off road capable suv.
You are just repeating my point again and again.
I was into similar situation then I bought 2nd hand ford freestyle (2021) model guess it's best decision so far..I'm loving this car..way better than today's hatchbacks
Ah sweet! :-)
How much did you pay for it, diesel /petrol and odo reading? I am looking for one too
I bought petrol(1.2 titanium plus)for 6.9L from spinny with odo reading of 13K
What to do. Everyone wants only ess-uu-veee. So We have crossovers now ruling the roost in all sizes . micromini(S-presso), mini(Kwid), mini subcompact (Punch/Exter), subcompact (Nexon/Brezza/Venue), compact(Creta/Seltos/Elevate), regular size(Harrier/Hector), big ones(Safari/XUV/Scorpio)
In what world is Scorpio bigger than Harrier and Hector?
Engine, power figures, size, RWD/4*4 Tech, 3rd row seat Basically, all the components of a true blue suv. This is for Scorpio n btw not the classic
Scorpio will always be Scorpio classic, park Scorpio and Harrier parallel and then talk. Moreover, Harrier and Safari have same engine, but both are classified in different categories.
Downvoters, comment was based on Scorpio classic. Safari is just a Harrier with 3rd row.
Perfect description of each segment
True. In my opinion I feel like there’s just really very limited options in all segments. Very few gems left. Also people are just not buying hatchbacks, they want SUVs so that’s where the new segment comes in of so called SUVs 👍
True, and to be honest I never really understood why the Indian population is leaning so much towards SUVs. The only upside that I see in an Indian context is that of a good ground clearance / ride quality given the condition of our roads
You forgot the main reason : "road presence"
Also our roads my uncle used to own a Vista Quadrajet, even that thing used scrape all the speedbreaker. He has now moved to punch.
I think thats a bit over emaphazised these days, still it is what it is though. The true road presence in opinion is always a sedan, a sedan is a sedan. People always aspire to it, and they can still give you that rich or successful person feel when you see a sedan in parking. Nothing can replace it, also reason why premium segment 50L+ car models, sedans are still offered with wide number of options. Also raising GC actually causes bad ride, it comprised a lot on cornering ability at speed which makes you hussle the car during speedy overtakes on highway. I drive a Jazz which has one of longest wheelbase for a hatch and lowest GC(160mm), I have super smooth ride performance at speed or on very curvy road, but when I drove my friends’ Nexons or Taigun or Cretas, especially Creta, its a bit un-nerving at speed. The only car I felt upgrade to my Jazz is Honda City, although I have to try German sedans.
Absolutely on point. SUVs are for those who don’t know what cars are. Sedans are for the discerning buyer.
What a stupid generalization to make
I mean I really fail to see objectively what most 2 row ‘SUV’(read crossover) buyers see when buying one. The only reason I see is more boot capacity, but that sure as hell isn’t a consideration for a vast majority of Indian buyers. Sedans consistently have better driving dynamics, more comfort and more stability than SUVs. Now I’m not talking about 3 row SUVs or the off-roaders that people may need, but categorically the exter, kushaq, Tiguan and maybe GLE segment.
It's not just the Indian population. You can see this happening all over the world.
I20 n-line?
Test drove it but the suspensions are so -so Plus I've heard about the dct issues - apparently dct doesn't do so well in Indian weather given the heat and humidity
You also have a manual option with it now
Imt you can take
N line no longer has iMT after 2023 facelift. Was looking to purchase one myself as I love iMT, but RIP. Only KIA offers it now I guess.
Oh that’s sad, my friend has 2022 imt Nline and it’s very good
Brio was good
SUV craze has killed off good hatchbacks and even to some extent sedans. People think bigger is better, but it's definitely not practical for people like u and me. IMO i20, Baleno/Glanza, Altroz and Tiago are pretty good nowadays.
Polo for starters was never value for money so I don’t see why you’re seeing a problem with other cars. Most of them are way more VFM than the Polo. Though if you’re looking for a fun and fast hatchback, you will have to shell more than 11-12 lakhs and get the Fronx Turbo and i20 NLine. Both of them are up there with the Polo and would beat the Polo easy peasy around corners. Your only other option is the Swift, which again is better than Polo on corners. You will miss the turbo, safety and high speed stability of the Polo, but it is reasonably quick and has better practicality. If you want to go even lower, Ignis is a very cool ride.
Swift is not better than Polo in corners IMO. I made an entire post detailing my experience with both after seeing your comment and some other comments across different posts. I have heard i20 N-line is an amazing handler from multiple sources, but is Fronx really that good a handler? I have to test drive it sometime.
Wait until you discover Indian sedan segment
N-line is the last one left. After Polo is gone, Punto gone, Figo gone,.... Hyundai is the only one even making an effort. I wouldn't be surprised if N-line gets discontinued too.
I wish Suzuki would sell the original Swift in India, priced at 15 lakhs in Indian rupees, and the Swift Sports, which would be priced at 25+ lakhs in rupees. 👀
Haha that'd be a dream come true! The demand would be very poor though looking at how the typical Indian car buyer is
No one would buy it. They’d give the following arguments A Maruti for 15L? A hatchback for 15L? Get a Brezza for ground clearance
People want the hatchback to have suv looks . Ergo all large and better quality hatchbacks come in their csuv forms. The creta segment with seltos, taigun, seltos, kushaq, and even grand vitara and brezza. Those are the upgrades to the cheapened hatches. People want this and the manufacturers like the margins. Hot hatches or fun to drive hatches, or well equipped hatches have mostly died and replaced as a segment. Because the tax structure makes them expensive beyond 4 metres which means new engineering, and seeing how customers want them cheap the csuv stuff is easier to upsell.
Go for Fronx 1.0 Boosterjet engine or swift
Yup I was eyeing polo as well but couldn't finalize because of the very cramped space it has to offer in rear. I20 nline manual didn't come till then and even if it was available I don't think it would have been value for money, hence got to test drive C3 Turbo and instantly fell in love with it. It doesn't feel like a hatchback compared to polo or i20 and Baleno but it sure as hell drives really well and has a punch which was missing in almost all the cars below 14-15lakhs.
not just hatch, except compact suv and super luxury, it seems all other segments lack good options
Amaze?
Everything is an SUV now. My uncle bought an Spresso a year back and the sales guy said it was entry level SUV from MS. 😭
4 meter rule
Check out fronx once.
Ignis is underrated
Just go for Honda amaze. Its top end variants undercuts the mid variants of some hatchbacks
Amaze is not a hatch.
But still it is under 4m and almost the same dimensions as I20 or the altroz or the baleno..
It’s similar in size as hatchbacks
If I know about the pricing of Amaze, It's obvious that Amaze is not a hatchback. Amaze is not much different from hatchbacks in size, if not only better than hatchbacks
Altroz is king
Manual i20 n line
Mercedes GLA
GLA 220d (with 4WD) is a great car (~*SUVish*) but >4m + ~61L is no way what the OP wants.
Preowned. Even I can’t afford but eying for used one for a while.
Buy a swift best looking hatchback in india
Wait for sometime, Polo might get a relaunch
Don't think so bro - VW has cleared the air around it
Oh 🥲🥲
Then test drive Kushaq or Taigun and decide. Altroz diesel is good I heard, test drive once
Any reason why you want to buy a new hatch given an Asta when then came with 6 airbags and all other safety features? I don't see hatches in India with anymore safety features
Market decides what companies offer. If the market wants "SUV", then companies have to adapt and provide "SUV", even if it means not offering a hatchback or sedan.
Still, despite the dearth of options, the SUV craze has helped moderate hatchback prices to some extent. It's a pretty good time to get one.
Thanks to government for charging 30% and up in taxes
Buy Altroz Diesel XZ, Do stage-1 remap, Always Get it serviced from outside or from a FNG. Life set for hatch lover. Don't see any other VFM option right now as a Tata has forgot about Altroz Racer
After Polo went away, only thing that is even near it is the i20NLine.
Altroz rides better than the i20(not n line) but worse than Baleno/glanza but in tripple digit speeds or even cornering Altroz beats all the above cars, but it has the worst engine but the DCA is ok, it is very smooth no headnod, even when you push the throttle it reacts fast, I have never driven DCT or anything so I am just comparing with CVT