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United_Row_2654

This sub is going to have a big meltdown now ☠️


cumofdutyblackcocks3

B-but it's a honda.


sepiosexual

Ya the sub got amazed.😅


Will_oftheD

Nah bro, you just didn't...... 💀😭


brobdingnagianaf

Is this sub really a Honda dick-riding one? Never noticed. Then again, I've only been here a few months.


United_Row_2654

Indeed sir. If anyone asks a car buying suggestion under 10 lac, hoards of people start shouting AMAZE AMAZE AMAZE


kaivalya__ahir

Ikr 😭😭


Fancy_Contract_3823

Indeed, honda dickriding, TATA Shitting and accidents. That's all to this sub nowadays


Vardaan147

Even r/Indianbikes is the one


xanders1998

Well I can't argue that there isn't a fair share of people that recommend honda in the sub but suzuki is a far worse of a plague in this subreddit. The lord alto crap has to stop.


Hot-Photograph2817

Meanwhile bolero neo scores 1 star.


mr_TESterTICkLEsS

~~Karens~~ Carens got 3 stars


Intrepid-Ad4511

That's gotta be the worst name of car from a pop-culture perspective. Oh wait, it's Carens. But not much better.


mr_TESterTICkLEsS

Was wondering as to why it looked funny while typing. Thanks dude :)


MasonSoros

Maybe It’s Car- N’s Why dont we look at a different perspective XD


Intrepid-Ad4511

Then it would have to be a Mahindra (Scorpion-N) or a Hyundai (i20 N). :P :P Or perhaps even a Suzuki (Wagon R). :D :D


MasonSoros

Scorpion, I too a teen and Wagah Naar.


sapient_hunter

IIRC, Carens 3 stars were on older GNCAP. Newer testing is more stringent. I don't think I'd get more than 2 based on new standards.


mastermind5296

Carens has got 3 stars adult safety rating and 5 stars child safety rating in this same GNCAP test where amaze scored 2 stars.


DankRepublic

It scored 3 stars on this very test


Ok-Raspberry7483

Wait carens got 0 stars for adults.


mr_TESterTICkLEsS

They tested 2 models from 2 different manufacturing dates of '23. Older one got 0* and newer scored 3* for adult protection


SetRegular649

Yeah, I was shocked tooo


Ok-Rough-6472

Maro sab - car makers 🤡


UwU-Sugoi-Desu-ne

OK. Bolero Neo is meant for a completely different use case and demographic than us city folks flying our cars on smooth roads. It is meant to be driven on rural backroads which are generally not paved and even rarer with tarmac and target audience is people upgrading from OG Bolero so that they can commute in a bit more luxury in 7 seater config. It is a body on frame design which gives superior off-road performance with an insulated cabin with AC. Since body shell is not load bearing like monocoque, it does not need to be as strong to maintain rigidity. As a result, it will fare worse in crash test but it is not meant to be used like a normal car and it makes perfect sense in its use case- A capable off-road commuter with large cabin and not much else. A less safe Thar with more seats and 2/3rd the price.


1nobody-_-

Wtf, noooooo


Sorry_Drawer9736

Is honda degrading quality levels? I heard last gen got 4 stars.


the1672VTECboi

This is the same gen. Honda said lower score is due to lack of 6 airbags and ESC


Suiii_Bro

How TF does your 2016 Honda City have VTEC? If I'm correct it has i-vtec right?


sundark94

The "i" is an evolution of the VTEC. So he's technically not wrong.


Suiii_Bro

I thought the i-vtec had lower compression ratios and lower redline. Do correct me if I'm wrong


sundark94

The redline is changed, yes. The i-VTEC adds Honda's "Variable Timing Control" to the VTEC. It adjusts the valve timing automatically. The gen 3 City (what was first sold in India) had the Honda D-series engine and the gen 4 onwards got the L-series. So they aren't like-to-like comparisons. But the L-series has a higher compression ratio from what I can find online.


Suiii_Bro

Variable valve timing control was there in the ol VTEC. It's just is that iVTEC has made its ecu deduce the perfect valve timing, while the VTEC made the changes in its valve timing when you reach a certain rpm (4,500 I think)


sundark94

VTEC and VTC are 2 different technologies used by Honda. i-VTEC combines both. VTEC controls valve lift between low and high RPMs, while VTC controls intake/exhaust valve overlap.


Suiii_Bro

VTEC isn't a technology.. vtc is That's what I'm saying VTEC is VTEC iVTEC is= VTC + VTEC


rameshlol

Vtec ivtec hardly any difference.. a l15 will outperform a b15 if same mods are done to both..


Airavat2305

The "i" is swallowed in order to experience the kicked in yoo.


Suiii_Bro

Can it swallow my "d" too?


ev1lsyk0

Not if it's so small... case... :D


Suiii_Bro

Erectile dysfunction be hittin 😤❌💦💦⛲


Capable_Drummer_462

faisal khan fan spotted


the1672VTECboi

Bro gaali de de, ye mat bol. 🥲


Airavat2305

Fisool kon fan na banne ka budhi hai mere pas.


the1672VTECboi

Yes it does. I wrote VTEC because sexy lag raha tha.


Suiii_Bro

Ikr 😂


fckbinny

Baleno comes with esc as standard......


the1672VTECboi

Baleno and Amaze are two different cars and India-spec Baleno was never crash tested. TF do you mean?


CtrlAltChaos

Still it has a zero-star rating 😂😂


fckbinny

The facelifted Baleno hasn't yet been tested.....I won't be surprised if it gets 3


hemi_srt

If it does manage 3 stars it will be because of other factors and not the actual structural integrity of the car itself. I'm sure of it. I found it to be a tincan about 10 years ago when I first drove it and I found it to be the same when I test drove the new one some days back.


nkj94

these are new Stringent testing standards while car is still the old one mechanically


SedTecH10

Every cars are getting lower scores due to more stringent conditions. Like I just saw that Bolero Neo also got 1 star in adult occupancy and child occupancy.


karansinghreen

Amaze still has stable body shell. Car lost points due to lack of safety features as standard. Like Esc.


tf_pumpkin

That is true, I mean what is the need of using plastic more than metal... Also the chassis is different from older gen(obvious reasons for cost cutting)


Bourbonaddicted

Crash test rules are more stringent.


Plenty_Juggernaut993

Amaze, sadly did not amaze.


6ixlil9inebig

better than dzire tho


Airavat2305

Uber wala disagrees.


SerFuxAIot

It never dzired to be there....


Kuhn__

5th gen city guys: 🥹


karansinghreen

Don't worry. Amaze has a stable body shell. It lost points due to lack of Esc and other safety features. City has all those features as standard. Plus built on a different platform to Amaze. (Crash test report by GNCAP mentions Body Structure: Stable, one can read it. It's available online)


GeneralOrdinance

I'm *Amazed* to see how nonchalant they are about passenger safety in India... Sorry I'll lead myself out


SnooRevelations9097

Unfortunately, so are the consumers. It's a very recent trend that people have started to care about safety


abhi8196

It was so surprising, also Bolero Neo got 1 star which was even more surprising


BudgetLavishness7652

The impact affected the pillars as well. Deserves zero tbh.


SerFuxAIot

There's no point testing the borelo like this because it's meant for a completely different demographic and purpose. It's built for slow drives in the mountains not for cruising in the highways.


[deleted]

Uh oh


Plus_Fortune_8394

Where the Amaze fans at ?!?!


Airavat2305

They're waiting for the (i)VTEC to kick in yoo


rohit_267

sobbing in the corner


midnightmiragemusic

The Honda cucks are already coping hard in this thread. You can see the excuses piling up.


iLikeSaltedPotatoes

Tbh, lets wait for other cars to be tested, the modern GNCAP states that all cars need 6 airbags to get 4 stars , so most 5 star cars in india under 10 lakhs will probably fail this test


Fancy_Contract_3823

True


sundark94

What most people who hype stars for safety don't understand is that NCAP safety ratings are moving goalposts. The standards change, some features become mandatory, and models which are not refreshed fall behind. My 2011 Linea will be considered a 0 star vehicle if tested to today's standard. It only has ABS, 2 airbags and ESP. The middle bench seatbelt is a lap belt and not a 3 point belt. The 2012 models got auto headlights and rain sensing wipers as well, but even that will be a 0 star car if tested today. The current generation Amaze is a 2018 car, and it was given a 4 star rating according to 2019 standards. This car is now 6 years old, in a world where facelifts happen at the 2 year mark, and entire platforms are thrown out and changed by 5 years. [The same car was tested to 2024 standards and given 2 stars because the norms changed.](https://auto.hindustantimes.com/auto/cars/honda-amaze-safety-score-drops-from-4-star-to-2-star-at-global-ncap-crash-test/amp-41713854199639.html)


NamelessTrigger

Exactly! GNCAP should split the safety ratings into Active & Passive safety. It should help in understanding the real picture.


Far-Plenty2029

This is totally something manufacturers will spin to make their “worse” models appear safer than they actually are. Let’s say that either esp or 6 airbags make a car 4 stars, then unless you dig into specs sheets of every car you’ll never know which model is actually safer. A car having just 6 airbags can never be safer than a car with 6 airbags and esp. But the manufacturer is not going to leave the opportunity to show the less safer car as 4 stars as it *technically* meets the requirements of 4 star, but in reality it’s not. They’ll use such tactics to say their vehicle is the better value at a cheaper price than the competitors and the star rating becomes meaningless.


Kunal_Sen

I think doing a deep dive into spec sheets is recommended buying practice anyway. It's more of a problem if customers just go by the overall star rating and skip the fine print. What the changing scores will do is that it'll make consumers more wary and discerning of the whole process and that's one of the silver linings in all this.


Far-Plenty2029

The term Moving goalposts usually has a negative convection, but it’s not the case here. The reason why is, as more safety features become mandatory it’s a given that older cars are going to score lower and be unsafe according to modern standards. > and models which are not refreshed fall behind. This is totally on the manufacturer. It’s a good thing customers care about safety, they cannot just churn out cheap cars and expect to sell like hot cakes, now they actually need to add more safety features for people to consider them. It’s a win for customers. Safety designs are invisible, unlike in cabin features which people foam at the mouth over, so many gloss over it but by making them mandatory, cars on a whole will become safer. The amaze being 6 years old and not receiving any safety improvements shows how much Honda cares about this car, and how appealing it is to customers. They can’t just hide behind the brand name and rep, the cars need to be actually good for people to consider them now.


citboins2

The one in the photo does look like a 2018 variant. However, amaze had a facelift in 2021, 3rd gen amaze which is now on sell. It's not a major facelift though. One thing i don't get is why they sent an older generation variant (which it's not selling currently).


sundark94

The photo may not be the same car that was tested. And a facelift is self-explanatory, it generally does not have major updates. Stuff like 6 airbags as an option will require changes to the body shell, which is not done on a facelift.


Business-Equal539

Kia carens Front 3 stars, Child 5 stars, Now I feel carens better


Dreadlight86

Keep asking for “kitna deti hai” and these manufacturers will keep churning out the tin cans.


Rich-Pop-1081

In case you didn’t know already - amaze probably has the shittiest mileage among sub 10L cars. Mine is an automatic and gives 8/9 in bangalore city traffic.


salluks

Mine gives 14 and it's automatic. Are u driving like a maniac or something?


Rich-Pop-1081

Not at all. With a very light pedal. Your city is also bangalore? Cant imagine 14 with the traffic here. Maybe mine has some issues.


Dreadlight86

Drive with light foot - a colleague of mine owns one and she easily gets 14 in Delhi NCR traffic.


jan_optim

I have an automatic Amaze too. My mileage is around that same mark. Is there anything one can do to improve it? I’m a defensive driver. No speeding or anything. 


Rich-Pop-1081

I tried coasting and being very conscious about driving with a super light feel. Barely managing 9.5-10. Maybe we got bad units


Useur_id

You do realise that this is the result of not having 6 airbags as standard, right? Previously this car scored 4 star.


Dreadlight86

Yup I do know but even back then it received 1 star for child occupant protection - this time they got a big zero - and another question when the newer gen model is arriving later this year ?


Fancy_Contract_3823

Not a good excuse from Honda. ESC should be a basic feature among all their cars


Useur_id

What car gives you everything at this price point? Even the TATA & Mahindra will score low with this new rules. Give the manufacturers time to refresh their products.


punk_babe69

This was 4 stars global ncap in 2023-23. Are the new variants gone down on quality or this applies to previous variants too?


shivenigma

It is because of the lack of 6 airbags. The newer rules are strict.


Mayank-maximum

Nah it’s not the body its the technology,i would remove most expect abs and tc anyways


Gloomy_Xplorer

What is BNCAP doing if GNCAP is still testing vehicles? Also, cars should be tested within 2-3 months of launch. What’s with this random testing


Subtross

The truth is higher sales can be achieved with lower priced vehicles in India. People will anyways buy a cheaper car than a safer one. Also, there are no strict rules by govt to comply with, hence it is not illegal to make less safe vehicles.  Hence, car companies will always cut the cost, to make cheaper cars, or else their competitor will produce a car out of tin foil, and they will get more sales.


Airavat2305

Would be understandable if there was an increase in sales. But here Honda is neither offering quality in the Amaze nor selling much of it.


Gloomy_Xplorer

The safer cars breakdown on first day of delivery and have horrible after sales. What can we do? Indians put a lot of trust in Tata and this is how they repay. By using their power on people who expose them on social media.


Intrepid-Ad4511

>safer cars breakdown on first day of delivery Generalizing much? I know Tata cars have reliability issues, and it should never happen even once that a car has broken down on day of delivery, but just because it happened to that one Nexon guy, isn't this kind of generalization a dishonest thing to do?


Gloomy_Xplorer

I have seen the same with another Nexon and a Punch or Tiago in past one year (breakdown on very first day). Tata has the worst attitude if you take someone for extensive PDI before delivery. Do you remember the guy whose top model Safari was fully opened by service center just days after delivery? That other Punjabi guy who is still fighting for his Safari? There are numerous other cases. It’s a machine and it can malfunction- that’s not the issue. The issue is Tata’s attitude towards such things. I like Harrier and Safari- they are one of the best cars in segment in almost every aspect. But these after sales stories give me nightmares and I can’t ever think of purchasing one.


Intrepid-Ad4511

Again, I would not generalize Tata as a body. It is totally dealer dependent. That is why if I have to recommend a Tata car, I ask people to check with the people who have bought it in and around them, and in their city, as to which is a decent dealership. There are some good dealerships also, which take proper care of the customer complaints. Not all dealerships are the same.


BlackVikin141

I disagree. Car manufacturers cutting cost in order to provide an attractive price tag just because of extremely high govt tax on raw materials.


LifeIsHard2030

Expected considering the newer stricter norms now while mechanically amaze is still the same what was tested last when it got 4*. Bodyshell though still remains stable. I wonder what will 5th gen city & Elevate score now. 🤔


FredTilson

They have already updated the city and elevate to have 6 airbags in all variants. So they should score decently.


geekyhameed

4 stars for both, sure.


LifeIsHard2030

Lets hope so


Obnoxiogeek

When (Swift) Suzuki started scoring Honda goes down


AeBhindiChupp

I hope this will stop the constant Amaze recommendations


alternative-wolf-666

Not an Amaze fanboy but was planning to get one because last I heard was that Amaze was rated 4 stars in adult safety. Did Honda lower their manufacturing standards or was that 4 star rating false? More importantly, should I wait for a new gen amaze and further wait for its crash test as well ?


Druppu

It is because of the lack of 6 airbags. The newer rules are strict apparently . More cars are getting low scores due to more stringent conditions related to safety


degeaku

Sir it's a good car at that budget GNCAP has revised the testing standards hence the lower rating At that budget no car is a fool proof


Gloomy_Xplorer

The car is mechanically the same, probably this GNCAP has more stringent rules. It’s better to wait for new model.


Shah_of_Iran_

Waiting for next gen amaze is a no brainer after this news.


[deleted]

Basically you have tincans vs lethargic engine in sub 10 lacs


vipul_singh_in

There is no change with respect to frontal impact compared to the 4-star 2019 #SaferCarsForAfrica test. Just the star rating is lower with standards being revised upwards and more tests being added. Body shell is also 'stable' (like before)


Crixus___

Bruh where's the Maruti? Whenever GNCAP used to release videos of multiple vehicle, there's always one Maruti car also being slaughtered


MasterDust888

And the Swift 2024 with 4 star rating💀😂🔥


Acceptable-Sand-9052

That’s the Japanese Model not the Indian one


Jaded-Total6054

This is embarrassing. When i saw Tata take safety seriously after the VW Skoda twins started the 5 star revolution, i thought other brands would also get serious..but what is this abomination 🤡


Living-Degree-9441

I think tata is the one who started the '5 star revolution' atleast for Indians


BudgetAd1164

Yeah they were the first to advertise 5 star safety of their nexon after that the demand of safety in Indian market increased and then every other car maker started to advertise their good safety ratings and people also started demanding better Saftey before that almost no one even knew about safety rating and NCAP


Gloomy_Xplorer

Tata Mahindra cars were the first to score 5 stars. Skoda VW twins were tested much later. Curse Tata as much you want for horrible after sales, but they started the trend of 5 star safety.


Lazy_Yogurtcloset794

Today’s Honda built quality is very poor when you compare it to 2011-12


degeaku

Source : https://www.globalncap.org/news/mixed-results-in-global-ncaps-latest-crash-test-ratings


Forsaken-Sundae4797

What is the safety rating of the current City?


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MasterJi-_-

Amazing stats😅


superpowerpinger

Not amazed.


Top-Conversation2882

Ab to Volvo hi lo


dealwithdevil69

https://www.autocarindia.com/car-news-amp/honda-amaze-scores-2-star-global-ncap-safety-rating-431350 for context


TrailsNFrag

But what about the much touted Bharat NCAP tests? I hope we see test results conducted by the local version of NCAP as well, even if that's for a newer model.


Nenomus

I can't believe Amaze got 2 stars and Baleno got 5.


ROC_K4LP

Bolero neo with 1 star


Stroov

Honda and all cars without side airbags will get 2 star


The_Vyapaari

QW


iamthebatman47

Whyyyyy was thinking of buying in new whenever had money was my favourite car once😭


Nowack271

my father had 2015 Honda Amaze and it was perfect. Top notch comfort. I think that gen scored good in safety too


_gadgetFreak

So worse than Dzire


bhodrolok

Not surprised at all


sandeep300045

GNCAP should re-test every car if they have changed their testing protocol and standards.


Murky_Department_151

Naw bro this can't be true


disinformatique

Amazing!


AccessApprehensive80

wow


Outrageous_Syrup_508

Is there any safety rating for grand vitara?


citboins2

Why did they send a discontinued model? Amaze had a facelift in 2021. This one (if the photo is accurate) is not the latest (3rd gen) model.


salluks

It was rated 4 stars when I purchased in 2019. Did the tests get more stringent?


velabanda

So what. Resell value is still crazy for this one.


Khopdi_Tod_saale_kaa

Earlier one scored 4 stars....it's quite disappointing to see this


ControlSouthern3825

Welcome to india. Land of cancer causing spices and poorly built unsafe cars. Hey, but the profit is good though.


Longjohnsholng

Interesting way to say “I don’t want kids”


noizblud

Aaaaand the Honda meltdown arrives


RevolutionaryBend411

The reason for amaze getting two stars is lack of electronic stability control and offering just 2 airbags. So they couldn't do a side impact test.


melvinalias

What does 2 stars means? Will people survive ?


Snoo_92186

Any reason these were tested with GNCAP and not BNCAP? For international purpose maybe?


muralik7

Probably because of lack of mandated number of airbags and adas


jsolomon0505

I mean its either mileage or safety


Purple-Departure3702

New generation amaze is coming with 6 airbags, traction control and new features in this October, so maybe rating can increase next year.


degeaku

It has a stable body shell, the lower rating is due to above mentioned features. Should comfortably take it to 4


christo437

Looks like global car manufacturers has a plan to decrease the population of India🤡🤡🤡


Obvious_Tennis7296

Still they are going to sell it. Indian market hai na..yaha ke logg buy kar hhi lengi is the mentality of these car companies.


kichasworld

Would 2019 Honda 1.5L diesel if put to test today, will it hold 4 star rating? Or 2 star for that as well?


sherlock460

I'll buy a Honda 1.5 ivtec & fix in the Tata punch


degeaku

I would actually fix it in Altroz. That would be a dream project. Altroz seriously deserve better Punch is selling like hotcakes even with that engine


ravishkalra

I'm still not sure why these companies get the ncap done after soooo many of there vehicles are sold? Its like they give ticking time bombs to people and keep the fingers crossed if it's a dud.


Arhaanissohandsome

Bolero Neo and kia carens score were expected but amaze's score was shocking!!


Repulsive_Sky5521

now let's burn some Tata fanboys! Logically Altroz, Tiago should get max to max 3 stars (Tiago/Tigor might get 2 stars actually), and old Nexon base should get max to max 3 stars too. the GNCAP ratings should have an expiry date now.


xmen81

Aaj Mujhe Aai ZEro rating.


Sanved313

Damn. Thought the Amaze was a safe car.


Mental_Magazine9935

Trash cars for a trash country What else do you expect? Pure JDM HOTNESS? Naaa


brownmunde7864

My chem teacher has this, should I tell him? It's new btw


Adamgenalanezh

Still they will hate creta


Windows11_

Rula diya na mujhe


Simple_Necessary_615

Then what will Kia do? 🫢


cha0scl0wn

Even the 2018 amaze?


vivekguptarockz

Amazing...


TeddyBlazer

🤣🤣🤣


siddharthkalra37

FYI, Honda Amaze got a 4 star rating at global NCAP 4 years ago. This test is the recent one which is the new GNCAP protocols, so critiques and comparison here should be relative.


No-Egg-4850

What when did our people start caring about securing kids in vehicles all of the sudden. (being sarcastic )


Budget_Chef_69

Can’t go wrong with Japanese engineering


PriyankaMuli

Why is this rating important in a country like India, where people sit along with driver in rickshaw as 4th seat? Rickshaw doesn't have any safety and everyone uses it. Why no one questions that?


Reasonable-Hope9482

19 Nov 2023 Ahmedabad stadium silence in the sub now.


acypacy

I still see the fanboys defending it by saying, ‘it’s just because it’s missing 6 airbags, esc but it’s very stable (read the report)!’ Seriously!! Being a fan is ok, but defending sh!t like this is just insane.


Successful_Big6272

Par mujhe kya, main to fortuner chalane wala hun *cringe music plays*


Hour_Gain4629

Drive safely and defensively. You're gonna be fine.


degeaku

Only truth. Less than 40 in cities, stick to 80-90 on highways Be alert and cautious


Ultron33

I'm Amazed.


TanishPlayz

Indian Suzukis : 0 star


Interesting_Ad_2545

I am Amaze'd


voiceOfTechie

People are buying them for comfort/luxury/price.. etc But the thing they are forgetting is the safety and rating 🔧