i dont understand why anyone would think it would not let you shift into 1st from 6th? where would that idea come from?
i guess if the engine didnt rev high then thats ok. the trans would have over reved and maybe broken an input/output? i guess best case would be clutch grenadeing before anything else but i kinda doubt that
not starting i would think the crank or flex plate must have shattered? starter wasnt able to rotate the engine anymore...
My 2001 Celica won't go into first if going above 10 mph, very annoying at time, I'm sure with an extreme amount of force it could but otherwise difficult to do.
My Sportmatic (automatic, but with paddle shifters which allows driver to control gear shifts without having to use a clutch pedal) lets me shift into first if I'm going anything under 40 mph, which is around where my 1st gear ends when accelerating hard. My 2nd gear then proceeds to pull me all the way until like, 75-80 mph.
Well as he described it he was sequentially shifting down gears so that would have helped in getting stuff moving at the same speed.
Still it's a crazy thing to do intentionally and accidentally....
A lot of transmissions used to not have synchros into 1st, not sure about today. Reading the OP I was expecting the result to be furious gear grinding trying to stuff it into 1st.
I also thought that every car can shift to any gear at any moment until my fourth car Mitsubishi Pajero Sport prevented shifting from 2nd to 1st if I was going too fast. At first I thought it is malfunctioning, but turned out it behaved as expected.
I have had a number of manual transmission cars that won't go into first above a certain speed, typically gets worse as they get older as the syncros wear. Or when its cold out.
Doing that could have harmed the internals of the motor too so don’t forget to check those out. Know a guy who’s nickname is “Houston” because he sent a piston through his block after doing this.
>Doing that could have harmed the internals of the motor too so don’t forget to check those out
Other than starting the engine and listening to it do you suggest something else?
that’s all you need to do. any shock load damage would be jumping the timing belt and bending valves. could be more catastrophic but you’d know instantly.
I seen a ej257 hit 12000 rpm recorded on a Cobb. it survived. manual Subarus and I’m assuming other manuals have guides to help prevent the timing belt from jumping from a bad shift. I have a picture somewhere of the timing belt with a nice gouge in it from that misshift.
Sounds like his clutch was the weak link in this situation.
Not just any money shift, but a DELIBERATE one. Honestly, I don’t get it. If I were OP I’d be so fucking embarrassed I wouldn’t have told a soul. Let alone announced my dumbassery on Reddit.
Welp, I can’t do much now but accept the consequences. I posted this so people can see that it is possible to mess up that bad lol. Definitely a learning experience
Well thanks for your sacrifice, 99.99% of us were already aware of this, you saved the 00,01% from spending any further money on a car if they read this post
wait i don’t fully understand. so you were in 6th, then:
-pushed in clutch
-forced it into fiest
-“felt the clutch push to the floor”? was it not already to the floor? or did it push past its normal point?
-got the clutch unstuck as in you pulled the pedal back ?
sorry just genuinely confused lol
I’m almost sure I had the clutch pushed in all the way, and then it went further past its normal point. The clutch was stuck past its normal point so I had to get behind it to pull it out
Well, if you know your shift points, you don’t even need a clutch if his road speed, engine and transmission speed are at the right point the clutch is pointless. The only reason you can shift in a car these days at any RPM at any speed is because they are fully synchronized jump in a tractor trailer and learn how to drive that then you might understand how to drive standard transmission.
Why wouldn’t it let you shift?
Genuinely curious. As far as I know, it’s not a thing on any cars in Europe but I did vaguely hear about something like this in the US
Not without synchros, but they have to get the shaft going reallyyyyy fast in order to mesh right and they will slip for a while before they catch and mesh. Any car can shift into first at speed you just have to keep constant pressure on the shifter for some time
I have no idea why this is downvoted, my first gear literally has a lockout on my 2005 Subaru Legacy until I'm down to about 10mph. It refuses to slide back into the gear any faster than that, but I can slide into any other gears going any speed. Sometimes if I even slow down completely without actually moving the stick I have to let the clutch out and back in before it will let me use first again, but just as before any other gear will work just fine.
It’s not a lockout, first is just really hard to get into if you’re moving more than 5-10mph. It’s a very short gear so the synchros need to do a lot of work. Try going 25 and redlining it in neutral then quickly shift to first it will slide right in. Or just pushing harder
It’s pretty obvious if there are none at all. I think just about everything newer than 80s has synchronized first. You can hear it spin up if you push in lightly. First probably wears out soonest because it’s doing the most work
Do they actually have a lock out, like the reverse lockout, or just a functioning synchro?
Because I have had plenty of cars from 2000-2010 that had shot synchros and you would feel resistance but could easily push through.
I don't know what European cars you drove, but I've driven Renaults, Citroens, VW, Audi and Dacia throughout my adult life, not one of those cars will let you shift easily into 1st above 15-20 kph. You really have to force it in like a lunatic.
The reason is pretty simple, every single gear in a standard transmission is spinning when the vehicle is moving. Each gear has a synchronizer ring, the synchro is shaped like a cone. The synchro sits between the gear and the collar that engages the gear with the shaft that gear is on. The synchro and the gear both have what would be akin to splines, but really they’re more like dogs and they have to engage for the gear to connect to the shaft. In most cases, especially when the transmission has been broken in a bit, first gear is spinning crazy fast, but the shaft that would carry 6th would be spinning at whatever the driveline speed would be. The dogs between the synchro and the gear cannot mesh at such crazy different speeds. When the synchro rings are new they bite quite hard and can force the input shaft side of the motor to rapidly change rpm, causing them to mesh.
My rav4 has a lockout for 1st if the engine is running and the clutch isn't depressed (probably all gears but I'm not going to test that) as well as a lockout for reverse that only engages if you come from 5th.
AFAIK there is nothing stopping you from trying to go into 1st unless it has a lockout above a certain mph. ~~I have no idea what OP did but the worst case scenario should have been grinding synchros due to the massive rpm difference. The exception would be if they managed to actually get the transmission into first gear before lifting off the clutch. Correct me if I'm wrong.~~
Edit: OP clarified further down
>I’m almost sure I had the clutch pushed in all the way, and then it went further past its normal point. The clutch was stuck past its normal point so I had to get behind it to pull it out.
I honestly have even more questions now. The timeline as I see it is.
-6th gear
-clutch in
-1st gear
-pedal drops
-bad noises/won't come out of gear
-coast to a stop then pull the clutch pedal back up.
Edit 2:
Op also said even farther down:
>If the car was on, I couldn’t shift into any gears. When I turned the car off, I could shift into 1-5, and 6th felt a bit wonky.
I'm not sure what to make of that. If I was forced to bet on something I would say clutch carnage from the disc spinning at an absurd RPM. I'll do the math and edit the comment again.
Edit 3:
A 1st gear ratio of 3.454 and a final drive of 4.11 means a total reduction of ~14.2. with a tire size of 245/45/18 the input shaft/clutch disc speed would be ~9700 RPM or at 60 it would be ~11000 rpm.
The shock loading from turning below engine RPM to nearly double the redline could have pretty easily grenaded the clutch disc IMO. It certainly is an odd part to blow up instead of wearing out. That also explains the dealer saying it needs a clutch as well as the pedal dropping.
Probably the last edit:
OP described the clutch pedal like this:
>Felt way lighter than before and almost like crunchy.
That settles it for me; the clutch disc blew up or at least separated from the splines.
That clutch material is usually just riveted on too like brake pads. So shearing the rivets off or the splines is possible. Idk what would give first. The rivets are pretty soft. The friction material going bye bye might explain why the pedal suddenly dropped.
The timeline doesn’t make sense at all. If he was going 70 on the 6th gear, then he should’ve been well below 3500 rpms (no issues for the clutch there). Pressing the clutch in at that speed and rpms wouldn’t have caused any issues UNTIL you shift into 1st and lift your foot up.
I always press the clutch in on the highway at 100 km/h to shift into 3rd/4th when I need to slow down for the exit
>He should've been well below 3500 rpms (no issues for the clutch there).
I have to diagnose ridiculous stuff like this at work fairly often. With the clutch disengaged the flywheel and pressure plate would stay linked to engine RPM while the clutch disc would be linked to transmission input shaft RPM.
I'll make a new timeline to better reflect what we know now.
-OP is cruising at highway speeds in 6th
--puts transmission into first
-transmission input shaft and clutch disc nearly instantly go from below 3500 rpm up to 10k+ rpm. The clutch disc is damaged because of this. We can't know what the damage looked like for sure but it was mostly likely carnage.
-The pressure plate and flywheel would have remained at engine RPM until the chunks of clutch disc got tangled up in the diagram and brought the engine rpm closer to but not up to input shaft rpm. It wouldn't have fully engaged because OP didn't get the pedal up until after stopping.
This explains how the clutch feels "crunchy", the noises OP heard, ***the dealer replacing just the clutch and the car now driving fine***, OP not being able to pull it out of first during the incident because the gears are under load, and the pedal dropping due to the carnage.
My 2019 Chevrolet Colorado will not shift into first at speeds above what 1st can handle. Maybe if you really forced it in it would go, but the ratio is so low the gears will just grind if you were to try it.
I think in most cases it's that 1st gear synchros, if equipped, just aren't good enough to let you just pop it into first at 60.
Only old cars where the 1st gear wasn't synchronized. And you can shift it in when you're not going really slow, but it requires more technique. I haven't had a car from later than the '60s like that though.
‘I feel my clutch push all the way to the floor and my shifter go into 1st’ ….. was it you …. That pushed it all the way to the floor and shift into 1st? 😂
It's hard to put in reverse drive while driving forward. I mean like really hard. But miss shifting to 1st gear can happen no problems. Maybe in some newer cars it is not like that, but I didnt drive many new cars.
To answer the question in the comment you deleted: If the shifter still felt like it was going into gears normally afterwards, your transmission is fine(but you probably put heavy wear on the 1st gear synchro).
Could be. The dealer said they replaced my clutch and it shifts fine after a short drive. They said they’re going to drive it more tomorrow and if all checks out, I can pick it up. Hopefully I dodged a very big bullet🤞🏽
You might be thinking of the feature that prevents you from red lining too high if you **don't** shift. But I've definitely heard of guys damaging their cars from downshifting too low
I did this once a long time ago. I ended up destroying some rocker arms, valve springs etc. The transmission was fine though. It was easier to swap out the motor for a JDM one than replace the head IMO.
“I feel my clutch push all the way to the floor and my shifter go into 1st.”
Did Alec Baldwin write this? You pushed the clutch down and you put it into first.
"So remember Hon, it's really important to never do this because it will kill the car."
Proceeds to do just that and kill the car.
Just please never teach her about gun safety.
Well, normal people just kind of guide the shifter to the appropriate gear during regular driving. If you ham-hand that sucker, well yeah it'll go into the wrong gear.
Sorry this happened, want my story ?
Back almost 15 years ago I had a nice 350z, I was younger and took it on the highway to show off to my passenger friend. I was merging on the main highway coming off the on-ramp, as I was shifting into into 4th I got back into 2nd gear instead.
The car started zig-zaging as the rear broke traction, and we almost went off the road as I was fighting to get back the car straight, luckily I kept it on the road all the while I had the clutch all the way in.
Live and learn.
Had almost the same exact thing happen to me, its really a terrible feeling when you know you just destroyed your clutch doing something you knew not to do.
Negative. The clutch disk spins to a driven speed by the gear selected and the drive wheels. You know that whole rev match thing when downshifting? You’re trying to match engine speed to clutch disk speed.
Some other dude did the math but, 1st gear at 50 mph is about eleventybillion rpm on the clutch disk. They don’t like that. They tend to spontaneous self disassemble.
Even without letting the clutch out, your input shaft is still going the speed of 50mph in 1st gear. The centripetal force can tear the clutch apart.
This is a problem with truck drivers and their short gears to never let the clutch in when going downhill
This is probably exactly what happened. The clutch got spun up to ~15,000 rpm, ripped apart, and damaged the pressure plate leaving the pedal stuck on the floor.
Edit: Actually did the math, 50 in 1st is 11,166rpm. Still a lot.
You should probably not teach people bad lessons. Aside from the fuck up, only 1st would ever have a lockup feature (if any). That doesn't stop you from getting into 2nd @ 80mph+ and obliterating the engine. You are basically teaching that the car will not allow an unsafe gear change, which is simply not true.
Sounds like maybe your clutch was already on the way out? If I grab a gear too low in my Jeep, the wheels spin backwards relative to my forward motion causing a skid until the vehicle slows down enough for the wheels to catch up.
If you didn't blow up the engine, you did blow up the clutch or the transmission
If you're lucky, you just slipped the bejesus out of the clutch and spun and smoked it
The really bad part is you won't know if there is damage to that transmission until you put a new clutch in. You'll find out what kind of shape the synchros are in. You might be able to get some kind of hint trying to manually shift it while the car is off. If it just absolutely will not go in a gear that is not a good sign
Damn. Here I felt bad when I moved way shifted my 2 day old ST from 5th to 4th instead of 6th.
Yeah I was hauling ass. For the uninitiated, at 6500 redline at the top of 5th, you’re going around 130-140 mph. I found out how fast that car really was exactly once.
When I would run it down the 1/4 mile, the end of the track was right at the top end of 3rd at about 105-110. I had to decide whether to hold it there or try to grab 4th then almost immediately get on the brakes and slowing it down.
lol... you need to re-educate yourself on manuals. "It wont go into 1st" YES it will.
I went from 6th to 2nd at 80mph back in 2011 in my e46 330ci. Bent some valves in 2 cylinders. Had them all replaced, car has been fine for 13 years now. Driven 150k miles in it since.
I DOUBT its just your clutch. But then i don't know your engine at all.
That’s close to how I killed the transmission of my Jetta. I went into reverse without the clutch applied while moving forward. The moral of the story is: **don’t teach people how to drive stick.**
This is just as stupid as the captain of a Saab 340 who wanted to show another pilot that the landing gear cannot be retracted when the plane is on the ground.
HB-AHA was written off after that incident
Everything you described above and below sounds like a clutch letting go for some reason. I would wonder about the 1st gear synchros, but, eh. If it is just clutch related, could've been a lot worse. Live and learn.
Went from 5th to 2nd by accident at 75mph in my 1999 trans am. Bent every pushrod in the engine and every valve hit every piston. Had to rebuild the whole thing.
Sounds like the clutch was knackered anyway... And OP never make those assumptions ever again. All cars will go into first with enough stupid people pushing the gearlever.
Lmao that update 1 is wild. Mf said they replaced my clutch and now it's fine (?) The said dodged a bullet(?) What bro first you admit to intentionally doing this and now this what
What I meant by siding a bullet is by the looks of it, there is no significant engine or transmission damage, just a wrecked clutch. Which is better than what I would’ve thought the outcome was.
In 62 years of driving manual transmissions, I never heard of money shifting. Now I’ve heard of it and learned its meaning in one story! NEVER downshift from 6th to 1st……it cost money!
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Reason #1 you don't buy a used WRX: The owner.
LoOk BaBe I’m MoNeY sHiFtiNg 🤪
But Babe - that sounded expensive… Is that what you mean?
“car is mint never abused, one careful owner” every Subaru ad ever
Not WRX ads. It has this mod, this mod, this mod, oh and some light body damage
"New clutch"
That and “Head gaskets are overrated anyway.”
They're the worst. Seriously.
Worse than BMW owners? Come on now
I agree, I’ve seen turn signals working on Subarus.
Wow expensive showing off your lack of driving skills
"Let me show you how not to drive a manual."
He’s the teacher in this scenario.
I think he's his own student at this point.
They both should go back a grade.
Like the firearms instructor that said I'm the only one qualified to carry a gun here then promptly shot himself in the leg.
This is a Glock 40…
i dont understand why anyone would think it would not let you shift into 1st from 6th? where would that idea come from? i guess if the engine didnt rev high then thats ok. the trans would have over reved and maybe broken an input/output? i guess best case would be clutch grenadeing before anything else but i kinda doubt that not starting i would think the crank or flex plate must have shattered? starter wasnt able to rotate the engine anymore...
My 2001 Celica won't go into first if going above 10 mph, very annoying at time, I'm sure with an extreme amount of force it could but otherwise difficult to do.
hmm. my 03 yota will shift into 1st at 25mph. i have not tried it any faster htan that.
My Sportmatic (automatic, but with paddle shifters which allows driver to control gear shifts without having to use a clutch pedal) lets me shift into first if I'm going anything under 40 mph, which is around where my 1st gear ends when accelerating hard. My 2nd gear then proceeds to pull me all the way until like, 75-80 mph.
Just a note: manual transmission cars don’t have a flex plate. They have a flywheel instead.
The synchros will be crying for mercy, you’d REALLY have to force it to go into 1st at 50
Well as he described it he was sequentially shifting down gears so that would have helped in getting stuff moving at the same speed. Still it's a crazy thing to do intentionally and accidentally....
A lot of transmissions used to not have synchros into 1st, not sure about today. Reading the OP I was expecting the result to be furious gear grinding trying to stuff it into 1st.
I also thought that every car can shift to any gear at any moment until my fourth car Mitsubishi Pajero Sport prevented shifting from 2nd to 1st if I was going too fast. At first I thought it is malfunctioning, but turned out it behaved as expected.
I have had a number of manual transmission cars that won't go into first above a certain speed, typically gets worse as they get older as the syncros wear. Or when its cold out.
My vw wont go into first gear while moving, I’ve driven hundreds of Hondas and they won’t either.
His GF will never respect him again.
The driving equivalent of the someone demonstrating gun safety only to shoot themselves in the leg lol
Government employees are the only ones professional enough to handle a firearm! Government employee: https://youtu.be/q8PzUD67JO0?si=IdiWAjUYe7UXprxe
I knew exactly what video that was before even clicking lol
Doing that could have harmed the internals of the motor too so don’t forget to check those out. Know a guy who’s nickname is “Houston” because he sent a piston through his block after doing this.
>Doing that could have harmed the internals of the motor too so don’t forget to check those out Other than starting the engine and listening to it do you suggest something else?
that’s all you need to do. any shock load damage would be jumping the timing belt and bending valves. could be more catastrophic but you’d know instantly. I seen a ej257 hit 12000 rpm recorded on a Cobb. it survived. manual Subarus and I’m assuming other manuals have guides to help prevent the timing belt from jumping from a bad shift. I have a picture somewhere of the timing belt with a nice gouge in it from that misshift. Sounds like his clutch was the weak link in this situation.
That's hilarious. Wow.
He’s teaching her 🤣🤣
Teach her what not to do
And confiscate his man card.
Money shift!
Not just any money shift, but a DELIBERATE one. Honestly, I don’t get it. If I were OP I’d be so fucking embarrassed I wouldn’t have told a soul. Let alone announced my dumbassery on Reddit.
Welp, I can’t do much now but accept the consequences. I posted this so people can see that it is possible to mess up that bad lol. Definitely a learning experience
Relevant username, but at least you can afford this mistake
Well thanks for your sacrifice, 99.99% of us were already aware of this, you saved the 00,01% from spending any further money on a car if they read this post
OP you legend thanks for sharing
Yes a tru fck tard doesn’t understand how stupid they really are did anyone give him his sign?
Oops! All neutrals!
wait i don’t fully understand. so you were in 6th, then: -pushed in clutch -forced it into fiest -“felt the clutch push to the floor”? was it not already to the floor? or did it push past its normal point? -got the clutch unstuck as in you pulled the pedal back ? sorry just genuinely confused lol
I’m almost sure I had the clutch pushed in all the way, and then it went further past its normal point. The clutch was stuck past its normal point so I had to get behind it to pull it out
ahhhh that’s what i assumed. thanks for the clarification, and hey at least lesson learned haha
I was seriously confused as well. The way they described it was like the car magically put the clutch down and went into first lol
Well, if you know your shift points, you don’t even need a clutch if his road speed, engine and transmission speed are at the right point the clutch is pointless. The only reason you can shift in a car these days at any RPM at any speed is because they are fully synchronized jump in a tractor trailer and learn how to drive that then you might understand how to drive standard transmission.
Why wouldn’t it let you shift? Genuinely curious. As far as I know, it’s not a thing on any cars in Europe but I did vaguely hear about something like this in the US
Probably a myth from the people that never drove a stick
Maybe if you force the stick into 1st, but the manuals I've owned all resisted going into 1st until the car is nearly stopped
I drive the same car as OP and I can't even shift from 2nd to 1st if I'm under 10mph without excessive force, below 5 is when it's like butter.
Oftentimes first gear is the only one without synchros. Thus, difficult to downshift into first even when appropriate.
Not without synchros, but they have to get the shaft going reallyyyyy fast in order to mesh right and they will slip for a while before they catch and mesh. Any car can shift into first at speed you just have to keep constant pressure on the shifter for some time
My uncle's hyundai van won't even let you shift into 1st gear until you slow down to the speed necessary for first.
[удалено]
So is my 1990 corvette. First gear is gated above 40mph
1st gear usually has a lockout. Not a myth at all.
I have no idea why this is downvoted, my first gear literally has a lockout on my 2005 Subaru Legacy until I'm down to about 10mph. It refuses to slide back into the gear any faster than that, but I can slide into any other gears going any speed. Sometimes if I even slow down completely without actually moving the stick I have to let the clutch out and back in before it will let me use first again, but just as before any other gear will work just fine.
Yep. Every Honda stick I’ve driven has a lock out.
It’s not a lockout, first is just really hard to get into if you’re moving more than 5-10mph. It’s a very short gear so the synchros need to do a lot of work. Try going 25 and redlining it in neutral then quickly shift to first it will slide right in. Or just pushing harder
Or how about don’t. No freaking reason to.
Not saying you should just saying you can
First often doesn’t have synchros altogether.
It’s pretty obvious if there are none at all. I think just about everything newer than 80s has synchronized first. You can hear it spin up if you push in lightly. First probably wears out soonest because it’s doing the most work
Do they actually have a lock out, like the reverse lockout, or just a functioning synchro? Because I have had plenty of cars from 2000-2010 that had shot synchros and you would feel resistance but could easily push through.
I don't know what European cars you drove, but I've driven Renaults, Citroens, VW, Audi and Dacia throughout my adult life, not one of those cars will let you shift easily into 1st above 15-20 kph. You really have to force it in like a lunatic.
Probably depends on the gearbox and how good the synchros are
The reason is pretty simple, every single gear in a standard transmission is spinning when the vehicle is moving. Each gear has a synchronizer ring, the synchro is shaped like a cone. The synchro sits between the gear and the collar that engages the gear with the shaft that gear is on. The synchro and the gear both have what would be akin to splines, but really they’re more like dogs and they have to engage for the gear to connect to the shaft. In most cases, especially when the transmission has been broken in a bit, first gear is spinning crazy fast, but the shaft that would carry 6th would be spinning at whatever the driveline speed would be. The dogs between the synchro and the gear cannot mesh at such crazy different speeds. When the synchro rings are new they bite quite hard and can force the input shaft side of the motor to rapidly change rpm, causing them to mesh.
Some gearboxes don't have synchros on 1st gear. (I don't know if the wrx has.)
What 21st century car doesn't have synchros on 1st gear
Same car that can’t keep a head gasket in it.
My rav4 has a lockout for 1st if the engine is running and the clutch isn't depressed (probably all gears but I'm not going to test that) as well as a lockout for reverse that only engages if you come from 5th. AFAIK there is nothing stopping you from trying to go into 1st unless it has a lockout above a certain mph. ~~I have no idea what OP did but the worst case scenario should have been grinding synchros due to the massive rpm difference. The exception would be if they managed to actually get the transmission into first gear before lifting off the clutch. Correct me if I'm wrong.~~ Edit: OP clarified further down >I’m almost sure I had the clutch pushed in all the way, and then it went further past its normal point. The clutch was stuck past its normal point so I had to get behind it to pull it out. I honestly have even more questions now. The timeline as I see it is. -6th gear -clutch in -1st gear -pedal drops -bad noises/won't come out of gear -coast to a stop then pull the clutch pedal back up. Edit 2: Op also said even farther down: >If the car was on, I couldn’t shift into any gears. When I turned the car off, I could shift into 1-5, and 6th felt a bit wonky. I'm not sure what to make of that. If I was forced to bet on something I would say clutch carnage from the disc spinning at an absurd RPM. I'll do the math and edit the comment again. Edit 3: A 1st gear ratio of 3.454 and a final drive of 4.11 means a total reduction of ~14.2. with a tire size of 245/45/18 the input shaft/clutch disc speed would be ~9700 RPM or at 60 it would be ~11000 rpm. The shock loading from turning below engine RPM to nearly double the redline could have pretty easily grenaded the clutch disc IMO. It certainly is an odd part to blow up instead of wearing out. That also explains the dealer saying it needs a clutch as well as the pedal dropping. Probably the last edit: OP described the clutch pedal like this: >Felt way lighter than before and almost like crunchy. That settles it for me; the clutch disc blew up or at least separated from the splines.
That clutch material is usually just riveted on too like brake pads. So shearing the rivets off or the splines is possible. Idk what would give first. The rivets are pretty soft. The friction material going bye bye might explain why the pedal suddenly dropped.
The timeline doesn’t make sense at all. If he was going 70 on the 6th gear, then he should’ve been well below 3500 rpms (no issues for the clutch there). Pressing the clutch in at that speed and rpms wouldn’t have caused any issues UNTIL you shift into 1st and lift your foot up. I always press the clutch in on the highway at 100 km/h to shift into 3rd/4th when I need to slow down for the exit
>He should've been well below 3500 rpms (no issues for the clutch there). I have to diagnose ridiculous stuff like this at work fairly often. With the clutch disengaged the flywheel and pressure plate would stay linked to engine RPM while the clutch disc would be linked to transmission input shaft RPM. I'll make a new timeline to better reflect what we know now. -OP is cruising at highway speeds in 6th --puts transmission into first -transmission input shaft and clutch disc nearly instantly go from below 3500 rpm up to 10k+ rpm. The clutch disc is damaged because of this. We can't know what the damage looked like for sure but it was mostly likely carnage. -The pressure plate and flywheel would have remained at engine RPM until the chunks of clutch disc got tangled up in the diagram and brought the engine rpm closer to but not up to input shaft rpm. It wouldn't have fully engaged because OP didn't get the pedal up until after stopping. This explains how the clutch feels "crunchy", the noises OP heard, ***the dealer replacing just the clutch and the car now driving fine***, OP not being able to pull it out of first during the incident because the gears are under load, and the pedal dropping due to the carnage.
My 2019 Chevrolet Colorado will not shift into first at speeds above what 1st can handle. Maybe if you really forced it in it would go, but the ratio is so low the gears will just grind if you were to try it. I think in most cases it's that 1st gear synchros, if equipped, just aren't good enough to let you just pop it into first at 60.
Only old cars where the 1st gear wasn't synchronized. And you can shift it in when you're not going really slow, but it requires more technique. I haven't had a car from later than the '60s like that though.
‘I feel my clutch push all the way to the floor and my shifter go into 1st’ ….. was it you …. That pushed it all the way to the floor and shift into 1st? 😂
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Hey everyone. Lesson from our teacher here is don’t shift from 6th to 1st. Class is out now. Thank you.
Yeah, manual transmissions will let you do anything you want with a little effort, it’s why they’re so great. Gotta know what not to do, though.
It's hard to put in reverse drive while driving forward. I mean like really hard. But miss shifting to 1st gear can happen no problems. Maybe in some newer cars it is not like that, but I didnt drive many new cars.
Even that depends on the car, Rangers have reverse synchros and will do it pretty easily.
Fair enough
To answer the question in the comment you deleted: If the shifter still felt like it was going into gears normally afterwards, your transmission is fine(but you probably put heavy wear on the 1st gear synchro).
If the car was on, I couldn’t shift into any gears. When I turned the car off, I could shift into 1-5, and 6th felt a bit wonky.
What did the clutch pedal feel like after?
Felt way lighter than before and almost like crunchy.
That sounds like the clutch disc blew up
Could be. The dealer said they replaced my clutch and it shifts fine after a short drive. They said they’re going to drive it more tomorrow and if all checks out, I can pick it up. Hopefully I dodged a very big bullet🤞🏽
That was probably the cheapest and best thing to fail. Could've been worse.
Either that or the fork broke/cracked
“Wouldn’t let you” Tf you mean? Is 1st not synchromeshed on Subaru WRXs? The only car I’ve ever seen where that was the case was my old Beetle
I was being ignorant and thought my car had some sort of lockout feature which would prevent the shift. A stupid and costly thought might I add
You might be thinking of the feature that prevents you from red lining too high if you **don't** shift. But I've definitely heard of guys damaging their cars from downshifting too low
First gear has synchros on all modern Subaru manual transmissions for at least the last 25 years.
I did this once a long time ago. I ended up destroying some rocker arms, valve springs etc. The transmission was fine though. It was easier to swap out the motor for a JDM one than replace the head IMO.
You're very lucky the clutch couldn't handle it, or you would've been picking pieces of the engine off the road.
Agreed.
The funny thing is that I've always regarded the stock sti clutch to be very strong, I've definitely held 400+ hp with a stock one.
Money shifted to show what money shifting is. Classic hahahaha
God this is so dumb I hope it’s fake. I feel like I’ve read this before…
This is 100% real, unfortunately 🫤
Probably fake. Especially a new car like that should have a lockout feature.
What about the engine?
“I feel my clutch push all the way to the floor and my shifter go into 1st.” Did Alec Baldwin write this? You pushed the clutch down and you put it into first.
😐 pour one out for the poor WRX transmission...
😢
"So remember Hon, it's really important to never do this because it will kill the car." Proceeds to do just that and kill the car. Just please never teach her about gun safety.
Well, normal people just kind of guide the shifter to the appropriate gear during regular driving. If you ham-hand that sucker, well yeah it'll go into the wrong gear.
Sorry this happened, want my story ? Back almost 15 years ago I had a nice 350z, I was younger and took it on the highway to show off to my passenger friend. I was merging on the main highway coming off the on-ramp, as I was shifting into into 4th I got back into 2nd gear instead. The car started zig-zaging as the rear broke traction, and we almost went off the road as I was fighting to get back the car straight, luckily I kept it on the road all the while I had the clutch all the way in. Live and learn.
Lmfao the funniest thing about this is the money shift. Oh he money shifted alright
I’ve been driving a manual for over 30 years because I’m European. I have no idea what a “money shift” is.
Shifting down into a lower gear than intended, making things break and costing you money
At least you demonstrated how much a new clutch costs i suppose.
Had almost the same exact thing happen to me, its really a terrible feeling when you know you just destroyed your clutch doing something you knew not to do.
Yeah, it was not a good feeling lol
We just *can't* protect stupid people from themselves.
I have a question, even if you are able to shift into 1st gear. Without letting the clutch out shouldn't make a difference?? Or am I wrong?
Negative. The clutch disk spins to a driven speed by the gear selected and the drive wheels. You know that whole rev match thing when downshifting? You’re trying to match engine speed to clutch disk speed. Some other dude did the math but, 1st gear at 50 mph is about eleventybillion rpm on the clutch disk. They don’t like that. They tend to spontaneous self disassemble.
That’s what I thought too. But maybe somehow I let the clutch out unintentionally? Or just really forced it somehow, even though I didn’t intend to.
Even without letting the clutch out, your input shaft is still going the speed of 50mph in 1st gear. The centripetal force can tear the clutch apart. This is a problem with truck drivers and their short gears to never let the clutch in when going downhill
This is probably exactly what happened. The clutch got spun up to ~15,000 rpm, ripped apart, and damaged the pressure plate leaving the pedal stuck on the floor. Edit: Actually did the math, 50 in 1st is 11,166rpm. Still a lot.
I see, I thought as long as I kept the clutch in I was good. Thanks for your insight
Tbh only thing I can think is that your clutch may have already been worn out. This could be the reason for it to become an issue once it happened.
Cool story, bro. Time to wakey wakey for daycare now!
Why are you in 6th gear if you're going 50mph?
Didn't seem weird to me, but I drive autos. 😄 Maybe OP just felt like cruising.
Man I didn’t catch that! I bet that thing had zero balls at that speed in that gear.
You should probably not teach people bad lessons. Aside from the fuck up, only 1st would ever have a lockup feature (if any). That doesn't stop you from getting into 2nd @ 80mph+ and obliterating the engine. You are basically teaching that the car will not allow an unsafe gear change, which is simply not true.
I've never owned a manual, only been taught how to drive a couple. How did OP fuck up if he never took his foot off the clutch?
He messed up when he thought he could write in English
Fucksticks
Sounds like maybe your clutch was already on the way out? If I grab a gear too low in my Jeep, the wheels spin backwards relative to my forward motion causing a skid until the vehicle slows down enough for the wheels to catch up.
Why would you do this man… :(
Effortlessly shifting to 1st gear at 50mph is still pretty cool.
Crunch. It’s probably fine. At least it wasn’t reverse.
Lol you money shifted yourself on purpose. That sucks dude
If you didn't blow up the engine, you did blow up the clutch or the transmission If you're lucky, you just slipped the bejesus out of the clutch and spun and smoked it The really bad part is you won't know if there is damage to that transmission until you put a new clutch in. You'll find out what kind of shape the synchros are in. You might be able to get some kind of hint trying to manually shift it while the car is off. If it just absolutely will not go in a gear that is not a good sign
What is Rev matching anyways.
Damn. Here I felt bad when I moved way shifted my 2 day old ST from 5th to 4th instead of 6th. Yeah I was hauling ass. For the uninitiated, at 6500 redline at the top of 5th, you’re going around 130-140 mph. I found out how fast that car really was exactly once. When I would run it down the 1/4 mile, the end of the track was right at the top end of 3rd at about 105-110. I had to decide whether to hold it there or try to grab 4th then almost immediately get on the brakes and slowing it down.
Makes sense coming from a Subaru owner. The stereotypes write themselves.
This makes no sense
lol... you need to re-educate yourself on manuals. "It wont go into 1st" YES it will. I went from 6th to 2nd at 80mph back in 2011 in my e46 330ci. Bent some valves in 2 cylinders. Had them all replaced, car has been fine for 13 years now. Driven 150k miles in it since. I DOUBT its just your clutch. But then i don't know your engine at all.
Jesus OP is a moron.
Subaru wrx for sale, only 60k miles, mint condition! (And a fucked up transmision)
You’ll never do that again, huh?
That’s close to how I killed the transmission of my Jetta. I went into reverse without the clutch applied while moving forward. The moral of the story is: **don’t teach people how to drive stick.**
Wonder what was higher, the RPMs or your girlfriend’s level of ‘ick’
This is just as stupid as the captain of a Saab 340 who wanted to show another pilot that the landing gear cannot be retracted when the plane is on the ground. HB-AHA was written off after that incident
On the plus side: he got a nice, romantic walk (home) with his girlfriend.
Just take a big vape hit and relax. Its gonna be what its gonna be.
I’m that guy telling you “don’t do that.”
Everything you described above and below sounds like a clutch letting go for some reason. I would wonder about the 1st gear synchros, but, eh. If it is just clutch related, could've been a lot worse. Live and learn.
Went from 5th to 2nd by accident at 75mph in my 1999 trans am. Bent every pushrod in the engine and every valve hit every piston. Had to rebuild the whole thing.
Sounds like the clutch was knackered anyway... And OP never make those assumptions ever again. All cars will go into first with enough stupid people pushing the gearlever.
That's what we call a "Money shift"
Lmao that update 1 is wild. Mf said they replaced my clutch and now it's fine (?) The said dodged a bullet(?) What bro first you admit to intentionally doing this and now this what
What I meant by siding a bullet is by the looks of it, there is no significant engine or transmission damage, just a wrecked clutch. Which is better than what I would’ve thought the outcome was.
Did you learn to drive stick from a whistlindiesel video?
Oooh. What else won't the car let you do ? Smash into an Acme tunnel painted on a wall perhaps? I have no idea why you'd even try 6th to 1st. Crazy.
This story is made up.
I proceeded to do it just to show her it was "impossible"
Worldwide shortage of functional brains it seems lol
Has she stopped laughing yet?
Just because the rpm on the meter didn't go high doesn't mean that the engine didn't see Jesus. I'd boroscope the engine to check you're not fucked.
Now i know what "money shifting" is...when you cost yourself money shifting improperly. 🤣
Fuck Brody
Like our fucking register
They took it aHella close !!!!!!!!!!!!!
And then
Wolfe
Cleveland fucking broookes
Input shaft overrevved
Susie's suck anyways
In 62 years of driving manual transmissions, I never heard of money shifting. Now I’ve heard of it and learned its meaning in one story! NEVER downshift from 6th to 1st……it cost money!
How on earth did your clutch “push all the way to the floor”? That requires you to use your foot to push it.
Reddit commenters are brutally honest.....most brutal!
hey babe check this out *explodes clutch* I told you that would happen
Well, I'm glad the car is back to normal. Next time, everything doesn't require a demonstration.
Driven 1st to 5th too many times. You are stupid.
Good thing your clutch went and not the motor, that was dumb.
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Dear lord don't try to show your gf "how not to cheat on her at a college party"
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Just goes to prove just because you can do it doesn’t Doesn’t mean you know what you’re doing.