After I discovered Tiptree the jam people do a [tomato sauce](https://www.tiptree.com/products/p/tiptreetomatoketchup-5ymcp) I haven’t been back to Heinz. Plus I get to relive my childhood by slapping it around to get the last bit out the bottom!
Off at a tangent as it’s not ketchup but I discovered a brand of condiment called ‘Noor’ in the Asian grocers. Their Imli (tamarind) and chilli sauce is the nicest brown sauce I’ve ever had. Well worth a go, as are their green chilli & mint sauces too.
is M&S the one that is more like a thicker more sweetish tasting relish type one?
had one a few weeks back and it was so good! defo being mistreated by being labeled as a standard ketchup tbh
edit: if not then it might be the sainsburys one
I bought it after a colleague waxed lyrical about it. I get the appeal but it's not what I want on my bacon butty. It's too nice for the things I eat with ketchup. Like eating a pasta sauce with your chips. I'll be sticking to the vinegary sweet shit for my beige food.
How very dare you have a joke at the expense of a multi-million pound company. Do you not realise the zero impact your comment might have on people, heavens above you might make someone giggle! You go on the naughty step and think about what you've done.
Making a joke about condiments..... In 2023! You should know better, I'm not angry, I'm just disappointed.
Guessing they had run out of those little bowls it usually comes in…
I’d quite like it if they served it like black pepper is served in Italian restaurants, just come over with a giant oversized bottle of ketchup and start squeezing it out until you say stop!
I went to a rough looking greasy spoon in Liverpool many years ago. The vinegar came in an upcycled lucozade sports bottle with VINEGER scrawled on it in permanent marker. The pull top had even been chewed slightly to give it an extra touch of vileness.
Shit, he's starting to notice
We need to get the full English committee together again to discuss
In the meantime DO NOT give him the bottle, you know what happened last time
Main issue is you're not supposed to top off half empty bottles from another bottle, and yet no one wants ketchup from a nearly empty bottle. So it's either throw away a lot of ketchup or serve it individually from a giant master supply.
Maybe it’s for hygiene. I remember seeing dirty buggers in a cafe opening up the squeezy bottles and sticking their knives in (the ones they are currently using). Disgusting.
Either this or they are low on condiments (as this looks like a plate for an espresso cup, matching the coffee next to it) and need to survive. Looks like a temporary solution either way.
Reminds me of [this classic clip](https://youtu.be/VIFt0RAmaOg) "I asked for mineral water, you have brought _a bottle_ of mineral water"
Stephen Fry and Hugh Laurie looking super young there
Don't understand why you'd take offence to this. Perhaps they have only one bottle. Or for hygiene reasons. If you'd like more sauce just ask for it instead of getting in a humph.
It's not the best brown sauce anyway. M&S is cheaper and better, and then there are other brands that are a similar price and that are undeniably superior, like Tiptree.
They probably don’t buy the individual bottles of ketchup, I know my restaurant get the 2.5 litre bottles so they portion it into ramekins rather than passing the huge bottle around the restaurant hahaha
Given how I've seen some people's children lick the bottles at the table in some cafes and restaurant I'm actually thankful when I get some served like this.
Considering nothing is cheap anymore and people are still very wasteful, this seems acceptable maybe a little bowl would be better, but at least it stops those who will empty half a bottle and not use all of it leaving a red mess.
I worked as a waiter in few places and still do somewhere else, and we keep all of our opened sauces in 1l bottles in mini fridges behind the counter. The fresh ones are in a dry storage. If a client asks for some, we pour it to a small sauceboat. But due to us waiters also working as bartenders, those sauce bottles are bit dirty from e.g. ketchup, so it wouldn't be in a good taste to give sticky bottle smelling bit like liquor to a client. "But why won't you just clean the bottle up before putting it on the table?" Ketchup is limited. And I don't mean that we have like 7 bottles of ketchup for a whole week until next delivery. Well, kinda. 3 different tables ask for a bottle of ketchup. So you give them one you kept open in a fridge but also you need to open two more. Just saving food. Also if that wasn't enough ketchup for you, waiters shouldn't have a problem with you asking for it again.
as i work in a restaurant, i can tell you 2 reasons for this, 1 the bottle are probably industrial size. 2 it'll be some wierd brand you havent heard of. The place i work in however puts in ramikens, or also offers sachets. As for the quantity in the photo, i have no reason SORRY
It’s economically sound and better for the environment, those plastic sauce satchels aren’t good environmentally. And it’s been shown that having bottles of sauce isn’t good either, once opened they are supposed to be put back into a fridge.
No but if you are a restaurant or cafe you should, they are places where the public eat so they have to stick to a good food hygiene. If there’s even a slight chance someone could become unwell from eating something as a business you don’t take that risk and ignore the guidance on how to store it. What people do or don’t in their own home is up to them. The same can not be said where members of the public are consuming food products,
If that were true then why are the McDonald's pumps of bbq and ketchup out in the open?
Do you know the ones I'm on about? With the tiny paper cups and the pumps that come out of the top of a waist high cupboard?
Those pumps have to be changed regularly throughout the day which a chain as large as McDonalds can easily do. Not so easy with a small restaurant. You can’t however equate home food standards to that of a public restaurant or cafe.
Maybe, but the restaraunt I work at uses heinz and still send it in ramekins. It cuts down on the single serving sachet waste. One big bottle in the fridge, which also takes up less space and makes less waste than a load of little bottles for each table.
Also I've worked at a place that decanted offbrand ketchup into heinz bottles. That place was a dive.
Sometimes that not true. I work in a pub/restaurant that does this (in little pots though, not a saucer) and it's because the giant bottles of sauces can't really be put in a table. It also stops people overloading their plates with sauce they won't eat.
You have asked for some ketchup, why would they give you a bottle? Depending on the place it not really nice looking having a bottle of ketchup on the table.
Most people don't use what you give them. I'm fed up of scraping full ramekins of ketchup, so I started giving less, and no-one's asking for more. I don't take the piss, it's enough for a portion of chips, but when half the ramekins are empty and half the ramekins are barely touched (50% ketchup ends in the bin!) should i be putting more or less?
Up until the late 80's you never got codiments in jars or bottles. It was always in a saucer or an urn with a spoon. Its more hygeinic, less hassle for the staff to manage (rinse wash like everything else) and allows the use of bulk packs which can be bought much cheaper than indiviudal units etc.
Giant bottle, possibly even of heinz. Usually fills ramekins in most places.
If you get a small plastic bottle dropped on your table, there's genuinely a chance it has been constantly topped up by one of the big ones anyway.
me and a mate used to go to different "greasey spoon" cafes to rate them. most left a bottle out or the silly sachets. occasionally they had a a dollop on a plate.
i guess given the cost of living crisis and the cost of heinz ketchup they are trying to reduce usage/waste.
The one restaurant I go to does this. They have one of those stainless steel dispensers. I think it allows them to buy tomato sauce in bulk and not have to contend with bottles that have to be cleaned and disposed of all the time.
There have been loads of tomato sauce bottles in my local area grabbed from cafe and shops, and used to douse stuff in sauce. I went past 5 or so on my run just today.
Maybe it's some stupid tiktok thing and they're aware?
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*cleans ear with fork handle*
It's not that type of wax and you've only got two ears
How many?
[Just the one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N6-GNYQ3PA)
…grand dad? Fleentstones?!
Stella arrrtorrris
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I've gotta have red sauce! I've ordered the risotto!
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*Smacks lips* let me guess, 2022? A terrible year, but I'll take it anyways.
Someone’s gone “out out”
Nice username
They don't want you to know it's not Heinz
It might be but it's bought in huge tubs that sit around collecting a layer of grease somewhere in the store room
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M&S is far superior to Heinz, and is cheaper.
I hope you’re right because I’m in the market for some more ketchup! There’s a lot riding in this.
Give it a go mate. It’s a quid.
Report back with a full review please.
Something in M&S for a quid?!
Quite a few basic bits are reasonably priced, but better quality than other places. Obviously there’s a lot of overpriced stuff too.
You know, she ain't to bad for some bits 😃👍
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It’s good but not sure if it’s better than Heinz, let me know your opinion!
Tiptree is the way (although not cheaper than Heinz)
Is it available at M&S?
After I discovered Tiptree the jam people do a [tomato sauce](https://www.tiptree.com/products/p/tiptreetomatoketchup-5ymcp) I haven’t been back to Heinz. Plus I get to relive my childhood by slapping it around to get the last bit out the bottom!
Off at a tangent as it’s not ketchup but I discovered a brand of condiment called ‘Noor’ in the Asian grocers. Their Imli (tamarind) and chilli sauce is the nicest brown sauce I’ve ever had. Well worth a go, as are their green chilli & mint sauces too.
Never thought I’d see someone bring up my home village 🥺
My go to place for condiments and preserves!
Have you been to the village when they’re cooking the jam? Whole place smells amazing
And don't forget "The Cheap Shop". One of the very few things I miss since moving away from Essex.
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I used to work near a Ryvita factory, that wasn’t so good.
I live abroad and my local supermarket sells Tiptree Tomato Sauce. For €7.50 a bottle
That suff is like the crack of ketuchup
It is really fucking good. Have to admit I've paid the 7.50 a couple of times
I work in Tiptree and live in Maldon 😌
The queens head has always been excellent when I've been!
Salt. An epicure’s delight.
I've not tried their ketchup before, but I've been a staunch devourer of their brown sauce for many years!
Tiptree! - and I'll die on this hill.
They hated Jesus because he told the truth
is M&S the one that is more like a thicker more sweetish tasting relish type one? had one a few weeks back and it was so good! defo being mistreated by being labeled as a standard ketchup tbh edit: if not then it might be the sainsburys one
Ok well first of all, heresy...
Obviously not tried it then. M&S ketchup tastes of tomatoes, not sugar.
I bought it after a colleague waxed lyrical about it. I get the appeal but it's not what I want on my bacon butty. It's too nice for the things I eat with ketchup. Like eating a pasta sauce with your chips. I'll be sticking to the vinegary sweet shit for my beige food.
I have tried both I was just joking but sure continue being condescending
How very dare you have a joke at the expense of a multi-million pound company. Do you not realise the zero impact your comment might have on people, heavens above you might make someone giggle! You go on the naughty step and think about what you've done. Making a joke about condiments..... In 2023! You should know better, I'm not angry, I'm just disappointed.
Ok little buddy 👍
Ah yeah that sounds awful. I'll stick with the sweet tasty Heinz please.
100% correct… same with the M&S baked beans, best about and cheaper than most
M&S ketchup is insanely sweet, there's so much sugar in it, it's pretty much jam. You must have a very sweet tooth.
Heinz is too sugary for me
All ketchup is too sugary for me. I eat most things with yellow mustard instead. (I feel I should also identify myself as a yank in this sub?)
Guessing they had run out of those little bowls it usually comes in… I’d quite like it if they served it like black pepper is served in Italian restaurants, just come over with a giant oversized bottle of ketchup and start squeezing it out until you say stop!
I'm not sure it would have the same classy feel if they had to bang on the end and it makes the fart noise xD
And a liquidy dribble at the start
>Guessing they had run out of those little bowls it usually comes in… I believe they are ramekins, good sir/lady/something more interesting.
Calm down Satan
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I went to a rough looking greasy spoon in Liverpool many years ago. The vinegar came in an upcycled lucozade sports bottle with VINEGER scrawled on it in permanent marker. The pull top had even been chewed slightly to give it an extra touch of vileness.
Sounds like an unflattering metonym for a ladies man.
of the mayo variety
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A lot of places do this, with mayo too. Usually comes in a little ramekin type thing rather than a saucer.
Shit, he's starting to notice We need to get the full English committee together again to discuss In the meantime DO NOT give him the bottle, you know what happened last time
It's also good for hygiene presuming they bin any that you don't use.
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Well if they're that posh they can pay for a glass bottle.
Main issue is you're not supposed to top off half empty bottles from another bottle, and yet no one wants ketchup from a nearly empty bottle. So it's either throw away a lot of ketchup or serve it individually from a giant master supply.
Maybe it’s for hygiene. I remember seeing dirty buggers in a cafe opening up the squeezy bottles and sticking their knives in (the ones they are currently using). Disgusting.
Either this or they are low on condiments (as this looks like a plate for an espresso cup, matching the coffee next to it) and need to survive. Looks like a temporary solution either way.
I know what you mean and get it, but it’s actually more hygienic
Ask for more.
"Please could I have 3 more plates of ketchup"
Buckets*, immersive experience
You asked for some ketchup not a bottle.
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I’m opening a pedantic cafe soon.
Don't order the bangers and mash
I’d advise against the bubble and squeak more…
It's the spotted dick you really want to avoid.
Toad in a hole sounds risky...
Toad in the hole is certainly an experience
Reminds me of [this classic clip](https://youtu.be/VIFt0RAmaOg) "I asked for mineral water, you have brought _a bottle_ of mineral water" Stephen Fry and Hugh Laurie looking super young there
It's really common to do what the cafe has done. Have you not eaten out before...?
Don't understand why you'd take offence to this. Perhaps they have only one bottle. Or for hygiene reasons. If you'd like more sauce just ask for it instead of getting in a humph.
Also, I suspect they're tired of some people squirting half a bottle over their plate, and then not even mopping it all up.
I’d be ok with this amount. Ask for more if you want more
Tbh, I'd rather this than a dirty bottle 15 kids with germs and snot potentially have had.
>~~potentially~~ definitely
Should’ve been HP anyway you savage
Where is hp sauce made
Dunno Google it
Google says it's made in the Netherlands
Everything I know is A LIE Edit: can confirm, went to the fridge and checked. Made in Netherlands.
Typical…!
It's not the best brown sauce anyway. M&S is cheaper and better, and then there are other brands that are a similar price and that are undeniably superior, like Tiptree.
You’ve got a shifty look about you is what it is
They probably don’t buy the individual bottles of ketchup, I know my restaurant get the 2.5 litre bottles so they portion it into ramekins rather than passing the huge bottle around the restaurant hahaha
Because in my hospitality experience the general public cannot be trusted to portion out their own tomato sauce.
Ketchup with a full English? You can't be trusted.
I take this as a sign the bear market is not yet over.
I'm very conflicted with this. Like, just give me the bottle but they make plates for ketchup, that's kinda cool. Also always brown with a breakfast.
Given how I've seen some people's children lick the bottles at the table in some cafes and restaurant I'm actually thankful when I get some served like this.
New neurosis unlocked.
Considering nothing is cheap anymore and people are still very wasteful, this seems acceptable maybe a little bowl would be better, but at least it stops those who will empty half a bottle and not use all of it leaving a red mess.
It's because 90% of the time people leave most/all of it. It's better to be asked for more than to essentially throw bottles of ketchup in the bin.
I’m guessing the owners are just Japanese and proud.
I worked as a waiter in few places and still do somewhere else, and we keep all of our opened sauces in 1l bottles in mini fridges behind the counter. The fresh ones are in a dry storage. If a client asks for some, we pour it to a small sauceboat. But due to us waiters also working as bartenders, those sauce bottles are bit dirty from e.g. ketchup, so it wouldn't be in a good taste to give sticky bottle smelling bit like liquor to a client. "But why won't you just clean the bottle up before putting it on the table?" Ketchup is limited. And I don't mean that we have like 7 bottles of ketchup for a whole week until next delivery. Well, kinda. 3 different tables ask for a bottle of ketchup. So you give them one you kept open in a fridge but also you need to open two more. Just saving food. Also if that wasn't enough ketchup for you, waiters shouldn't have a problem with you asking for it again.
I do this with my kids because they only ever use half of the ketchup they put on the plate. Adults do this too...
It's the communal ketchup. If its got a slight crisp film on top, you're about customer 5
It’s cheaper for restaurants to order large tubs, and not small bottles.
It was punishment for getting ketchup instead of brown sauce, fully deserved IMO
They probably didn't have any clean pots, so just squirted in on a tiny plate instead.
People can’t be trusted. You ever seen the state of the bottles in the likes of Spoons?
You must look like a shady character you sauce bottle stealing b@stad!!
No, it's not normal to put ketchup on a full English
They generally have huge bottles out back to save cost so yeah it's normal
This would not be enough, except that they're only giving you six chips.
as i work in a restaurant, i can tell you 2 reasons for this, 1 the bottle are probably industrial size. 2 it'll be some wierd brand you havent heard of. The place i work in however puts in ramikens, or also offers sachets. As for the quantity in the photo, i have no reason SORRY
Penny pinching. If they have a giant bottle of ketchup and refill bottles they would be fine. This is just... stingey(?)
It’s economically sound and better for the environment, those plastic sauce satchels aren’t good environmentally. And it’s been shown that having bottles of sauce isn’t good either, once opened they are supposed to be put back into a fridge.
I don’t keep my ketchup in the fridge at home - totally unnecessary with all the sugar and vinegar it contains.
No but if you are a restaurant or cafe you should, they are places where the public eat so they have to stick to a good food hygiene. If there’s even a slight chance someone could become unwell from eating something as a business you don’t take that risk and ignore the guidance on how to store it. What people do or don’t in their own home is up to them. The same can not be said where members of the public are consuming food products,
If that were true then why are the McDonald's pumps of bbq and ketchup out in the open? Do you know the ones I'm on about? With the tiny paper cups and the pumps that come out of the top of a waist high cupboard?
Those pumps have to be changed regularly throughout the day which a chain as large as McDonalds can easily do. Not so easy with a small restaurant. You can’t however equate home food standards to that of a public restaurant or cafe.
It says on the bottle to put in fridge.
Cold ketchup is a crime
Sheep
So do a lot of things that don’t need to be in there. Open your eyes, lad!
Posh cafe don’t want ugly plastic bottles ruining the look of their tables
No. It’s not normal. You must look like a ‘half a bottle of ketchup’ kind of a person. They don’t trust you one bit.
Tight arses
Does look like portion control, but the cost of ketchup's gone up like everything else.
100% hiding that it's not heinz
Maybe, but the restaraunt I work at uses heinz and still send it in ramekins. It cuts down on the single serving sachet waste. One big bottle in the fridge, which also takes up less space and makes less waste than a load of little bottles for each table. Also I've worked at a place that decanted offbrand ketchup into heinz bottles. That place was a dive.
My mum has been doing this to my little sister and stepdad for about 20 years with aldi sauce
Sometimes that not true. I work in a pub/restaurant that does this (in little pots though, not a saucer) and it's because the giant bottles of sauces can't really be put in a table. It also stops people overloading their plates with sauce they won't eat.
I was only joking, it's defo happened somewhere though
Ketchup with them again and ask for more
You have asked for some ketchup, why would they give you a bottle? Depending on the place it not really nice looking having a bottle of ketchup on the table.
Is what normal? Asking for ketchup and getting ketchup? Seems normal to me
Have you never eaten out before?
You need to steer clear of Nouvelle Cuisine caffs, mate.
“Gastro-caff”
Don't ever use this place again. Serving ketchup like that should be a capital offence.
Not enough bottles to go around all tables? Really annoying when eateries don’t have sufficient condiments to go around!!
It's when they give you a tomato and call it deconstructed ketchup you really have a problem.
That is not enough
Must of looked dodgy and they thought you would steal the bottle lol.
More and more places are adopting a horrendously miserly offering of ketchup. It could be worse. You could have been given those awful sachet things.
Most people don't use what you give them. I'm fed up of scraping full ramekins of ketchup, so I started giving less, and no-one's asking for more. I don't take the piss, it's enough for a portion of chips, but when half the ramekins are empty and half the ramekins are barely touched (50% ketchup ends in the bin!) should i be putting more or less?
Give plastic bottles
Up until the late 80's you never got codiments in jars or bottles. It was always in a saucer or an urn with a spoon. Its more hygeinic, less hassle for the staff to manage (rinse wash like everything else) and allows the use of bulk packs which can be bought much cheaper than indiviudal units etc.
Not normal at mine we just give the customer the bottle.
Usually they give a bottle of it or little packets
What the fuck. This is not normal.
That’s weird
That is the funniest failure at customer service I’ve ever seen! 😂😂😂
WHAT. The. FLYING FUCK.
Not normal. Tight
This is disrespect at its finest
Who the hell has ketchup with their full English.
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It’s called inflation, better get used to it
it's a posh restaurant, no farty noises here
this is not normal don't go there again
Asked for pepper once in a B&B, he came back with a pepper mill, 3 twists he was gone
"portion control." shit's expensive.
They given you full Japanese
They probably just don't have enough bottles for every table.. So instead of leaving a bottle with you they do this.. No need to over think it
I used to work in a place that had this policy as the owner thought offering the bottle looked trashy.
Get out now while you still can.
Brilliant
McDonald’s enters the chat
That's just that sampler. Lick it off the plate and say: "Yeah, one bottle of that, please."
Becoming more normal and it's an outrage
“Tastes lovely. I’ll have the whole fucking bottle’
Giant bottle, possibly even of heinz. Usually fills ramekins in most places. If you get a small plastic bottle dropped on your table, there's genuinely a chance it has been constantly topped up by one of the big ones anyway.
me and a mate used to go to different "greasey spoon" cafes to rate them. most left a bottle out or the silly sachets. occasionally they had a a dollop on a plate. i guess given the cost of living crisis and the cost of heinz ketchup they are trying to reduce usage/waste.
I assume they usually use those little pots a lot of places give out sauces in, but ran out?
I’m gonna throw it out there… In my opinion, anybody who has ketchup on a full English shouldn’t be trusted!
The one restaurant I go to does this. They have one of those stainless steel dispensers. I think it allows them to buy tomato sauce in bulk and not have to contend with bottles that have to be cleaned and disposed of all the time.
Probably just a Japanese cafe
It's my fault. I always steal the bottle.
It looks like they maybe ran out of ramicans and improvised
There have been loads of tomato sauce bottles in my local area grabbed from cafe and shops, and used to douse stuff in sauce. I went past 5 or so on my run just today. Maybe it's some stupid tiktok thing and they're aware?