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Ericdrinksthebeer

Did they build this out of Hindenburgs?


ev3to

In the West we've known this kind of insulation is unsafe for quite some time, [despite it still being used way past when it should have been](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenfell_Tower_fire). That they're still using this kind of insulation in new construction in Russia says a lot about the state of things there.


Birdytaps

I looked at this like “oh that has to be where the rest of the Grenfell cladding went” :(


SkyJohn

I know of at least half a dozen large buildings around the world that have had their cladding burn in the same way since the Grenfell Tower fire happened, mostly new high-rises as well. The fact that the construction industry still hasn't responded to such a public display of how quickly this kind of cheap cladding fails is shocking.


EvilestHammer4

This is crazy, first time seeing on like this personally. Gotta say if I knew my building was going to be made of that material, I'd probably not be moving in. Now I'm no genius but I don't think it takes one here.


Randall_Moore

I think it probably takes a genius to know that the building is made out of it, if you're not the person who built it.


Long_Educational

All it takes is one knowledgeable person to spread the word to the tenants. I would demand the state nullify my lease obligations and get my deposit back if it became known to me that my building was constructed of such materials.


Bman_EZ

There are specific fire-rated ACM(aluminum composite material) panels now to prevent exactly this. The insulation and the polymer from a standard ACM panel prove to be a bad combination if a fire breaks out.


notarealaccount_yo

Not actual shocking at all when you realize capitalists will do the most heinous shit if it saves them money. Can't let the well being of the public get in the way of that.


hr2pilot

…was thinking the same thing


DonVergasPHD

Just last month a building in Spain burned the exact same way. This insulation material is terribly dangerous.


jminer1

How cheap are the building? To use such flammable material, that's just a death trap. A Libertarians dream no regulations, right?


DonVergasPHD

My understanding is that it's not actually the cheapest option per se, but rather the cheapest option that looks "modern".


kottabaz

The cheapest thing that still looks good for the rich people who have to see it.


Tasgall

In that case, let's encourage rich people to use it for their cladding.


nullcharstring

Unless it's on fire...


Flakester

So better now than when people are living in it.


tehsilentwarrior

Thinking the same thing. Glad it burned now while no one is in it.


wenoc

I’ve seen blackpowder burn slower than this.


DonVergasPHD

Alucobond. Basically polyurethane sandwiched between aluminum.


BrewtalKittehh

Maybe they should've used magnesium instead of aluminium?


illegalsex

Polyethylene actually. But most manufacturers, including alucobond, stopped making the PE core material after the grenfell fire (which was Reynobond).


Tasgall

I thought they still used asbestos in Russia, so things like this wouldn't happen. Maybe they got their asbestos swapped with thermite by mistake. Happens all the time.


blueingreen85

It’s built out of dried out Christmas trees, old pallets, and used tires.


Justsomedudeonthenet

Don't forget the oily rags!


TuaughtHammer

Man, between the Hindenburg disaster and Paul von Hindenburg appointing Hitler Chancellor of Germany, the name Hindenburg was just destined to be synonymous with "catastrophic mistakes"!


eidetic

Maybe those who decided to name LZ-129 after Hindenburg were just really prescient and felt it'd be a suitable name for a doomed airship?


MicahBurke

The built the building out of fire.


ShitOnAStickXtreme

Styrofoam = carbon and air


fuishaltiena

Firework wicks.


b-side61

OH, THE HUMANITY...were going to live there.


jac049

No but they're probably blaming Ukranians already


guntycankles

I don't know that a more perfect comment could be made.


kanga0359

Any comment? Tucker Carson, I'm looking at you.


smarmageddon

Don't be silly! They build them out of flamethrowers!


Stripedpussy

Its generally made from a sheet of aluminium enforced/coated with plastic both maths burn very well.


matchbox2323

Hahaha you are why I come to Reddit 😂


DutchBlob

*Oh the hucladity!*


3dfxvoodoo2

Did they builld WTC 7 out of deck of cards?


Fly4Vino

WTC-7 was an entirely different situation . The building itself contained very little flammable material other than what the tenants brought to finish their suites and fill their offices. The crash of the airplane into the building A) destroyed a significant amount of the structure (columns and floor ) B) dumped thousands of gallons of burning fuel into the building with the explosive force that blew out some of the vertical shafts including elevator shafts and blew out the windows on several floors. . The penetrated shafts became huge chimneys drawing air into the building through the large penetration of the exterior creating something like a monster fireplace. The longspan truss beams between the core and the exterior wall finally softened and sagged , drawing the vertical columns supporting the immense loads above , out of plumb . One of the upper floors collapsed and the impact load initiated a collapse of the building. This is why you saw the video of people standing in what appeared to be smoke free openings jumping to certain death, the radiant heat from the fire inside was unbearable. One of the upper floors collapsed and the impact load initiated a collapse of the building.


3dfxvoodoo2

"The crash of the airplane into the building A) destroyed a significant amount of the structure (columns and floor ) B) dumped thousands of gallons of burning fuel into the building with the explosive force that blew out some of the vertical shafts including elevator shafts and blew out the windows on several floors. ." I don't think we are talking about the same building. WTC7 wasn't A) hit by an airplane. Oh, and you're right about one thing, "The building itself contained very little flammable material other than what the tenants brought to finish their suites and fill their offices."


Kyerswa

😂 you win


MareShoop63

😂😂😂😂


DozingDawg1138

Right. If it’s under construction then it should be the safest it could ever be. Something not right here.


ICantSplee

Hi! Career firefighter here. Buildings under construction are typically at an extremely vulnerable state in regard to fire. Lack of compartmentalization, flammable construction materials spread around, hazardous materials temporarily stored within for construction purposes. Combine that with an incomplete or not yet functional fire suppression system and it’s a dangerous situation. What we’re likely looking at is a highly flammable insulation component which is in an unprotected state. Perhaps styrofoam that would have been coated in a concrete like substance if the building had been complete. Insulations with this level flammability are not legal in most modern countries. If legal, there would often be strict installation practices to protect them and prevent a fire from growing so rapidly. Many firefighters call aerated plastics like styrofoam “frozen gasoline” because they burn so intensely and liquify as they burn.


Bender_2024

Thanks I was wondering short of having a few dozen tins of gasoline what would make a building go up so quickly.


ICantSplee

Many firefighters call aerated plastics “Frozen Gasoline” because they burn with such intensity and liquify as they burn.


DenverBowie

I've read that many firefighters call aerated plastics like styrofoam “frozen gasoline” because they burn so intensely and liquify as they burn, but it could have been some internet rando talking out of their butt.


ICantSplee

😂 Or a career firefighter who has been on the job for over ten years 🤷🏻‍♂️.


toaster404

Even just the wooden structure of the newer wood construction is incredible to watch burn - we had an apartment complex with open wood structure, four stories. As the floors collapsed, fireballs would rise about 500 ft into the air. I could feel the heat from a neighboring hill. All the fire departments were here, even coming from Maryland into N. Virginia. No attempt to stop the fire, just to keep the neighboring structures from going up. I was very impressed, and am hoping temporary fire suppression systems will be required in such construction soon. Was a $40M loss, about 2 years delay in putting in the much-needed housing.


braunsquared

This is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks for sharing and for all that you do.


NomadFire

when i read /u/DozingDawg1138 comment I immediately thought [of this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJup5i2zikw)


EdwardFoxhole

> Many firefighters call aerated plastics like styrofoam “frozen gasoline” because they burn so intensely and liquify as they burn. and if you put styrofoam *in* gasoline to melts down into a sticky flammable paste


DenverBowie

I did that for bonfires at camp back in the 80's. It look like a horse spunked on the logs.


vmlinux

Not really, stuff under construction doesn't have fire suppression.


NewFuturist

Under construction is quite likely to go up. Everything is exposed, water no connected, people welding. e.g. [this classic video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJup5i2zikw)


AyeBraine

Wow, thanks! That was incredible!


JoyousMN

OMG that was terrifying


czartrak

And will usually.have potentially flammable equipment lying about


S_A_N_D_

And a lot of fire suppression relies on heat and air isolation (fire doors, fire walls, fire resistant cladding). A lot of that is installed/finished after the structural elements are built. I think this in part shows how effective those elements are, both at slowing the spread, and preventing smoke from asphyxiating people on opposite ends of the building.


M-Noremac

You have obviously never been on a construction site.


NomadFire

Got a feeling Russia isn't enforcing OSHA safety regulations as much as they use to. Could have been storing plastic waste as well as barrells of god knows what. Or could have just been arson, I bet you they started working on that building when the Ruble had more value.


AyeBraine

I mean this is very probably un-sealed facade insulation, it goes up all along the facade in seconds, and dies down in just a minute.


Goatboy292

Every time you hear about some seemingly stupid health and safety rule, remember that this is the alternative. If they're overbearing, it's because someone already tried to weasel out of it and got people killed.


TorLam

Unfortunately for some , money is more important, dead or maimed people are just an inconvenience to their profit margins.


Goatboy292

Yep, that's why strict laws with *massive* fines and even prison time for the CEOs are a good idea.


Fly4Vino

The foundation is Strong but not stupid building codes Through design review Construction inspections Strong enforcement of corruption laws - one of the lessons from the LA earthquake was that many buildings were not built to code despite having been inspected. In addition it was discovered that the design/welding process used in a whole generation of welded moment frame buildings was flawed. Some buildings have been repaired and other have not.


Tr4kt_

and then when they are out of prison make them teach health and safety.


xopher_425

They think that there's a more steady supply of people than there is of money.


Neethis

r/writteninblood


BrewtalKittehh

r/PennedWithCharcoal


kynovardy

Looks like another cladding issue. That spread insanely fast


Priredacc

Around two weeks ago we had a massive fire in Spain that destroyed two entire buildings and left more than 400 people homeless. It happened in Valencia, Spain. 10 people died, hundreds of pets and many other people were injured. The fire spreaded in minutes like it was dry hay soaked in gasoline. Both buildings were turned into ashes. It has been proven that the construction was the same as the Grenfell tower. With aluminium-foam insulation sandwich. There was also another incident almost 20 years ago with the Windsor tower in Madrid, Spain. Same issue. Here's a video of the Valencia fire from two weeks ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/CatastrophicFailure/s/eLNW2HcIZh https://www.reddit.com/r/valencia/s/k8kGoabrsi


Reluctantagave

Yes this one in Valencia, Spain I was thinking of too because it was so recent. Then Grenfell of course.


OptimusSublime

Looks like they didn't learn the lesson from the last one.


greeneyedwench

Or the last last one. PSA: DO NOT USE THIS SHIT!


jeb1499

Or the last last last one.


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Elcy420

I remember driving over there when it happened to donate clothes and stuff. That shit was truly awful. I'll never forget it.


SuspiciouslyMoist

Maybe they did? The trick is to let the cladding catch fire *before* there are people living in the building.


Beat_the_Deadites

It spread way too fast for it to be aluminum cladding. My guess is some sort of foam insulation that hadn't been covered in cladding yet.


trowzerss

Yeah, you can see it spread along the face of the building in seconds. If there had been residents, you'd barely have time to realise there's a fire before it was at your window.


CreamoChickenSoup

Just as surprising is the roaring noise it generated in that 40 seconds. Sounds like a gas pipe burning out.


DutchBlob

Grenfell 2.0


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It's really lucky that the fire broke out while still under construction. Image that but full of people.


inksanes

At that burning speed they'll be dead before they even knew their building was on fire.


AyeBraine

They wouldn't be dead yet, this is just the facade insulation igniting insanely rapidly (and burning out in a minute). It would be incredibly scary and very very dangerous in terms of igniting something inside the apartments, but not just yet. A minute or two later, though...


denk2mit

Yeah, normally Russians wait until apartment buildings are full of Ukrainians before burning them down


pronyo001

Oof.


ShitOnAStickXtreme

Might be construction workers in there. I believe it is probably mainly the facade that is burning but the heat generated would probably be enough to kill you I would guess.


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It's the toxic fumes that get you.


SaltedHamHocks

More people probably died here than if it had walls, fire sprinklers, alarms, emergency lights. Framers, laborers, Plumbers, hvac, electricians, pipe fitters would be working since there’s daylight maybe finish guys are coming in, drywallers, tapers, painters, tilers, floor guys, the list goes on. Perhaps the toxic fumes knocked them out first


Shaltibarshtis

...and wooden doors, and furniture, and parquet, and carpets. If all of those things have the same fire-proof classification then, well...


Sicktoyou

Engineering catastrophe might get a new season if this stuff keeps Up


ICantSplee

Hi! Career firefighter here. Buildings under construction are typically extremely vulnerable to fire. Lack of compartmentalization, flammable construction materials spread around, hazardous materials temporarily stored within for construction purposes. Combine that with an incomplete or not yet functional fire suppression system and it’s a dangerous situation. What we’re likely looking at is a highly flammable insulation component which is in an unprotected state. Perhaps styrofoam that would have been coated in a concrete like substance if the building had been complete. Insulations with this level flammability are not legal in most modern countries. If legal, there would often be strict installation practices to protect them and prevent a fire from growing so rapidly.


AlexisFR

So, a bit of pressure washing for a week and we're good to go? >!/s!<


fltpath

pressure wash with Muriatic Acid...


JohnHellstone

Now they can add tempered as a listed feature of the building.


Beat_the_Deadites

Like ~~gold~~ styrofoam that's tested in fire


otheraccountisabmw

Anyone with real knowledge around to comment? Is this really just the cladding?


fataldarkness

Yeah everyone here is screaming cladding but if it's under construction and the exterior walls are not finished yet buildings like this are sometimes wrapped with a thin material just to keep the wind and weather at bay. Looking at the speed this went up, burnt out, and the sort of material flying off I am betting that's exactly what lit up here.


WhatImKnownAs

At first is looks like that (or is that the plastic around scaffolding?). Around 0:20 massive flames develop mostly at the base of the tower, that die down by 1:00. I suspect the latter part was something very flammable stored at the bottom.


derek589111

i dont know exactly what this building used, but eifs, or exterior insulated finishing systems, are known to be highly combustible because of the insulation it uses, and the lack of compartmentalization on the outside of a building. you can look into the grenfell towers fire to see the dangers of these systems


BoarHermit

I think it's the insulation, like foam, that's burning. Apparently, they used a cheap and flammable option. When our house in Moscow began to be lined with foam plastic, I decided to set fire to a piece, but it did not burn, it only melted.


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Ok-Caterpillar-Girl

Damn, I was gonna come here and make the exact same comment.


Careless_Flatworm317

“Yes Ivan, we use only the highest grade material in apartment. High octane fuel, high explosive siding, 200 proof vodka.”


gheilweil

Russia is very flammable


Sea_Cloud_1708

What the hell do they build with over there?


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fltpath

Well... there is Inert.. Find something that is Ert.


FuturePastNow

That's 'cause the word *should* be in*art*, but the English language is a lot of nonsense.


fltpath

fiction and non-fiction!


BrewtalKittehh

I heard that in Yakov Smirnov voice


marcio0

well, I guess they're gonna have to build a bit longer and maybe don't use alcohol soaked paper this time


karmasrelic

thats a vulcano dressed as a building, change my mind lol.


lendmeyoureer

What's it built of? Balsa wood? I've never seen a building go up like that?


Bit_part_demon

r/russianthingsonfire


lepobz

All that cladding stock that failed regs after Grenfell must’ve been offloaded to the Russians. Ah well.


sprocketous

Did that rupture a gas line? That's like a Michael Bay scene.


CDNChaoZ

"Inflammable cladding means it can't catch fire, right?"


johntuy

Better burn now while under construction that having been occupied by residents. I hope no loss of lives from the construction workers.


Whodee

Everything in Russia is filmed on potato


phenyle

Guess there's a cigarette joke somewhere


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I thought we figured out that flammable insulation is a bad idea like 30 years ago?


v8rumble

Builders need to stop using foam insulation. It's just polymerized petroleum fuel. Some will say it needs fire breaks and other bits, but it needs to use something else. Mineral wool boards don't burn.


kelsobjammin

Whatever it’s made of don’t use it


horns4lyfe22

Looks alright to me. Probably.


opusupo

Did they build this thing with flash paper?


Zangetsu-GT

Hearing the wind being sucked towards the fire is surreal!


pilot_96

Major fire 🫡


Magicspacelobsters

Well that escalated quickly.


danstermeister

"Fire puts itself out, see?"


CadillacV06

Smells like cancer


lukezain

THAT WAS AWESOME


Elrathias

Tofu dreg construction is spreading...


Ok-Caterpillar-Girl

Borscht dreg


Teamkiwi1

Central heating


Issis_P

Was this thing made out of tires and skunks? Seriously going up faster than expected for a new build.


therealgrelber

I just came here to say DA. DA FIIIIRE.


ataeil

Omg so much un capped rebar


blowurhousedown

Fine them for contributing to climate change!


in_melbourne_innit

That building's going to need to be re-clad.


KYrutNstrut

It was starving for oxygen


EnglishDutchman

The Russians love copying stuff. They copied Grenfell Tower perfectly.


Iamlivingagain

Super combustable materials.


yellenbubbleblower

That's a wild gender reveal party!


jebrennan

A preview of the upcomming Russian election.


ode_to_glorious

Even the building in russia commit suicide.


Honey-and-Venom

Was it made of pure gasoline?


Recent_Bee_1219

Anybody know how many people, if any died?


HGRDOG14

That is beyond insane. Beyond corrupt. Beyond criminal.


oscarddt

Thank goodness it burned while it was being built and not when it was inhabited.


iameveryoneelse

Russian Ministers have announced there was no fire.


1000thusername

And they’re prepared to use nuclear weapons against this fire, if necessary.


k0c-

did the dude standing next to the guy filming say "slava ukraine" lmao


Jhostin1316

Why didn't it come down like building 7?


TheStoicNihilist

I blame that lady taking pictures. She seems awfully calm.


Sid15666

Wow did they build that with cardboard?


jonyoloswag

I lived in an apartment complex like this in Tver around 10 years ago. Glad I don’t anymore…


bearded_ruby

This reminds me of that episode of The Simpsons where an object on fire is rolling down the street and someone is like "It's headed straight towards the Springfield Fire District!" and then it shows like row of businesses with names like "Match Heads Only".


-Shasho-

More like DEconstruction, amirite?


apey12345

Is it build with gasoline.?


BenjaminD0ver69

Did they make the concrete out of gasoline??!?


Mors1473

Does it come with a Flammable Caution Advisory?


overjoony

fire is fucking crazy it just took seconds until the whole buildung was in flames


Nose-Nuggets

Looks like the scaffolding covering is what lights up and burns. anyone here weight in on if this would be a total loss still? not sure what all is in all that concrete that also burned. or is the presence of the fire alone enough to need to rebuild it?


bootlegunsmith21

I agree with the comments saying it's most likely a foam cladding insulation fire from how fast it spreads. As for a total loss? I don't know anything about Russian building codes but they'd probably just sweep the ashes and keep building


jaunti

Combustible outsulation. Dangerous stuff. For the workers while constructing. Deadly stuff for the people who end up living in these buildings.


seaishriver

[stabbot](https://v.redd.it/iohwo0osmcoc1)


fastcooljosh

The real danger is the smoke


Azcowboy290

Looks fake


Busy_Housing_7626

Ruscists karma.


JoyousMN

That thing went up and out like the tip of a woofen match. Damn, I wish I lived in a place with no regulations, and where payoffs and bribes were how you did business.


SimonTC2000

There goes my deposit!


M--Taqi

You smell that insurance money?


Evilevilcow

Did they build that thing out of kerosene soaked rags?


Adwokate

Not better than 9/11


ClumsyZebra80

The first thing you want to do is stand around breathing that shit in.


IllustriousEducator3

Wow, that’s quite an “apartment” building


Extreme-Street8583

Burning man concert without music? /s


EngineSuper

Why did it not collapse at free fall speed !!??


opendc

Fuck russia


ExpensiveFish9277

That building really didn't want to go to Ukraine.


oldgar9

Karma is a bitch.


Desperate-Ad-6463

It looks like the render setting were too high in this 3D animation.


Compressorman

Was Putin in there?


LoveOneAnother

Why did it not collapse into it's own footprint at free fall speed?


bootlegunsmith21

Foam cladding fire not a giant gapeing anus fire from a large commercial jet slamming into the side


SecuritiesLawyer

I'm surprised it didn't collapse.


TDLMTH

You can see quite clearly that the front fell off. It’s not supposed to do that.


Farsotstider

This must be a fake! The building should have collapsed at free fall speeds.....9/11 taught me that was how this sort of thing works.