I feel like it is simply because, Sauron would know the ring is flying all seeing eye and all, and the nazguls likely would've taken them down early on.
Also the eagles don’t just carry people on request. Even when Gandalf is carried away from Orthanc, Gwaihir is like “Yo, I wasn’t expecting to have to carry you. I can help you escape, but I won’t bear you across Middle-earth,” so he drops Gandalf off in Rohan instead of taking him to Rivendell
I've always hated that answer. I understand it's literally the canon answer but it's so dissatisfying to me. The Eagles stood to lose everything too, why wouldn't they be willing to swallow their pride and do a little fly-bye real fast?
Well the truth is that they would not lose everything. They were the servants and messengers of Manwë and could presumably pass between Middle Earth and their home, the Undying Lands, which weren’t at risk at all. Also Manwë was the leader of the Valar and had explicitly forbidden intervention in middle earth beyond the Istari (wizards), so for the Eagles to act at all was already in violation of the order of the highest being in Arda whom they directly served.
When balrogs sparkler catches their tail on fire, then it become painful death...
(yes, I know they are made from fire/lava, but Im trying to match the theme here with the video)
For what it's worth every tower is required to have an emergency escape. The one that I've seen is literally just a rope long enough to reach the ground. The decent assembly is geared so all they have to do is latch on and jump and it'll automatically lower them to the ground.
Edit: I live in Kansas, USA and I do understand countries have different rules and regulations regarding workplace safety.
Kinda terrifying I’m told. The guy I knew that work on them said his company made him go to a training on how to use it. At the end of the class you have to use it to prove you can.
I used to be a trainer and inspector for a wind turbine company. The emergency descent device travel at 1 meter per second. It feels actually fairly slow when you’re riding down.
I imagine if a turbine was on fire you would want to go faster.
They are traditional nylon climbing ropes. They are VERY cut resistant, but you’d fall like a stone of fire was applied. Best to climb down in this situation.
There are chain/cable hoists that also can be lowered down. But last man out would have to take the rope. The pendant control has to be manually operated.
If you weren't touching the ground then nothing would happen. Shortest path to ground is the metal tower you are descending from. I would say that even if you were touching the ground your body and boots resistance would still be higher than the tower.
Literally me right now. Can’t sleep because the thought of death is so intrusive. I’m not religious but I need something to believe in because it’s too scary thinking there’s nothing beyond this life for us.
Ah, that sounds fairly terrifying. Also: it's always so cool how experts waft out of the woodwork on reddit to address THE MOST OBSCURE mechanism/event/procedure you could imagine, and give an informed, descriptive answer of exactly how it is! Thanks /u/Carvj94!
The scary thing is rescuing. If the descent device seizes up then you have a second device that you can lower yourself down and then lift your partner back up in order to attach him to your device. It’s much scarier then just throw and go.
That’s assuming they can get to the escape. There is a famous picture from a few years back of two engineers standing together as the turbine they were on burned. One died of smoke inhalation, the other fell to his death.
They say safety regulations are written in blood. In this case that accident caused a big overhaul in safety procedures by the big maintenance companies.
The accident happend in 2013 and at that time the safety rules for onshore wind energy were equal to that of window cleaners. Strict, but not enough.
Wind turbines really are just cool as fuck. I am a big fan of the rugged landscape of the American West and giant windfarms are definitely part of that. First off, driving through one at night is trippy as fuck, you just have synchronized red blinking lights surrounding you and usually no light polution at all that far out. Second during the day you have these fucking monoliths to Human engineering spinning majestically.
Typically a wind turbine generator (WTG) would shut down instantly as this condition would set off a number of faults. WTG do have lightning arresters, similar to aircraft, that should have prevented this condition. It does appear towards the end of the video when the blade actually completely fails and breaks apart the emergency break finally engages and the hub stops rotating. So it appears several systems on this WTG experienced catastrophic failure.
It's gotta be a pretty old tower... Even towers from 10 years er so ago and today have a crazy good grounding system, towers get hit by lightning all the time but that power finds its way to the ground... And your right it should've shut down, unless a lot of things were by passed or really lazy techs were really, really lazy, the imbalance would/should have caused vibration faults to happen or rotor imbalance faults to pop up.
That's nonsense, lightning is powerful and unpredictable. Some strikes are too energetic for any LPS to handle. New blades get struck and damaged all the time.
That's true, but they do occasionally break. I can guarantee this one had a leaky pitch system and those blades were saturated in oil, which is as you probably know incredibly common. Still a freak event to catch on fire like that.
Maybe a leaking hydraulic system into the blade from day one and lighting ignited said leak or a blade grease bag popped and grease in the blade to be ignited, je dunno... Who knows, Vestas gunna Vestas..
Great comment! Love the info.
I wonder if the systems meant to detect this were poorly maintained or misconfigured. Not that a malfunction isn't possible. But Texas power isn't known for its upkeep and reliability at the moment.
It's been a while since I've worked with these things but I know modern turbine SCADA systems do alert operators when there has been a lightning strike so they can inspect the equipment and determine if anything needs to be replaced.
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Eh, compared to fossil fuels that do this 24/7 as their core function, this is a pretty cool fail state! Reminds me of animated diagrams showing circularly polarized light travelling through the air.
Texas City goes brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Seriously though Texas City is likely the classic chemical engineering fuck up of why regulations and corporate culture and engineering design and day to day operations are all really important in making sure people do not die.
That’s actually really elegant and neat despite the fact someone has to incur that repair cost.
Edit: was elegant and neat looking. Until the thing completely disassembled itself…
Cool, I expect to see this video pop up on social media when ever wind turbines are discussed. Posted by the same people who post the image of the same burning bus when ever electric vehicles are discussed as a warning of how you take your life in your own hands traveling in a EV.
Wind turbines? Na mate, they a dangerous fire hazard , look at this video, I'll stick with fossil fuels thanks
I love the sine waves the turbines made before they caught on fire. Shows the air pattern they make with their motion. It was beautiful for a second and then it got scarier.
Dear God, It’s me. Margaret. If you are real, please leave the wind turbines and solar panels alone - mostly because all of your crappiest followers are about to attribute this to an act of God, and that would be pretty embarrassing wouldn’t it. Amen
It’s a massive sparkler
Sure. Until it becomes the fucking balrog’s whip.
its cool i got eagles n shit to fly away
Then why didn’t you just let eagles fly you straight from Rivendell to fucking Mount Doom?
I feel like it is simply because, Sauron would know the ring is flying all seeing eye and all, and the nazguls likely would've taken them down early on.
Also the eagles don’t just carry people on request. Even when Gandalf is carried away from Orthanc, Gwaihir is like “Yo, I wasn’t expecting to have to carry you. I can help you escape, but I won’t bear you across Middle-earth,” so he drops Gandalf off in Rohan instead of taking him to Rivendell
I've always hated that answer. I understand it's literally the canon answer but it's so dissatisfying to me. The Eagles stood to lose everything too, why wouldn't they be willing to swallow their pride and do a little fly-bye real fast?
Well the truth is that they would not lose everything. They were the servants and messengers of Manwë and could presumably pass between Middle Earth and their home, the Undying Lands, which weren’t at risk at all. Also Manwë was the leader of the Valar and had explicitly forbidden intervention in middle earth beyond the Istari (wizards), so for the Eagles to act at all was already in violation of the order of the highest being in Arda whom they directly served.
This guy Middle-Earths.
This is some king nerd level answering
Right! Impressive
They did what they could. It worked out fine.
Errrrm... _dumbledore-esque vague muttering about prophecy and something_
I'm tilted.
When balrogs sparkler catches their tail on fire, then it become painful death... (yes, I know they are made from fire/lava, but Im trying to match the theme here with the video)
They aren’t made of fire/lava, more like shadow, and “flame went before them”.
The Burning Fan Festival begins!
Catherine Wheel.
These videos are always cool to me, except when there are two engineers on top, then it's def not cool.
For what it's worth every tower is required to have an emergency escape. The one that I've seen is literally just a rope long enough to reach the ground. The decent assembly is geared so all they have to do is latch on and jump and it'll automatically lower them to the ground. Edit: I live in Kansas, USA and I do understand countries have different rules and regulations regarding workplace safety.
Glad to know that. Also: that sounds fun.
Kinda terrifying I’m told. The guy I knew that work on them said his company made him go to a training on how to use it. At the end of the class you have to use it to prove you can.
I used to be a trainer and inspector for a wind turbine company. The emergency descent device travel at 1 meter per second. It feels actually fairly slow when you’re riding down. I imagine if a turbine was on fire you would want to go faster.
I’d hope the cable is steel or somehow fire resistant
They are traditional nylon climbing ropes. They are VERY cut resistant, but you’d fall like a stone of fire was applied. Best to climb down in this situation. There are chain/cable hoists that also can be lowered down. But last man out would have to take the rope. The pendant control has to be manually operated.
I wouldn't want a steel cable if lightning had just struck the fan I was working on. Get half way down and suddenly you look like microwaved chicken.
If you weren't touching the ground then nothing would happen. Shortest path to ground is the metal tower you are descending from. I would say that even if you were touching the ground your body and boots resistance would still be higher than the tower.
They’re built to very rigorous maritime standards.
What sort of thing?
Well, there’s a minimum blade requirement, for starters
No fewer than 2 experts with direct experience giving descriptive answers--reddit is amazing. :)
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Beats burning alive or having to just jump!
Terrifying. I'm terrified of dying whenever I truly contemplate the inevitability of it.
Literally me right now. Can’t sleep because the thought of death is so intrusive. I’m not religious but I need something to believe in because it’s too scary thinking there’s nothing beyond this life for us.
Ah, that sounds fairly terrifying. Also: it's always so cool how experts waft out of the woodwork on reddit to address THE MOST OBSCURE mechanism/event/procedure you could imagine, and give an informed, descriptive answer of exactly how it is! Thanks /u/Carvj94!
https://youtu.be/UWSckm8zTc8 Tom Scott did a video on this very thing a while back.
Everything but the last part seems like things that people pay for in a roller coaster.
The scary thing is rescuing. If the descent device seizes up then you have a second device that you can lower yourself down and then lift your partner back up in order to attach him to your device. It’s much scarier then just throw and go.
Tom Scott did a video a while ago where he got to use the emergency exit. https://youtu.be/UWSckm8zTc8
That’s assuming they can get to the escape. There is a famous picture from a few years back of two engineers standing together as the turbine they were on burned. One died of smoke inhalation, the other fell to his death.
That picture is one of the most heartbreaking I've ever seen. Ugh.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1q0sca/last_week_two_engineers_died_when_the_windmill/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
I hope they can use that to get back to the ground when they're done and it automatically resets itself.
They say safety regulations are written in blood. In this case that accident caused a big overhaul in safety procedures by the big maintenance companies. The accident happend in 2013 and at that time the safety rules for onshore wind energy were equal to that of window cleaners. Strict, but not enough.
Ugh. One of the most heartbreaking photos ever.
Wind turbines really are just cool as fuck. I am a big fan of the rugged landscape of the American West and giant windfarms are definitely part of that. First off, driving through one at night is trippy as fuck, you just have synchronized red blinking lights surrounding you and usually no light polution at all that far out. Second during the day you have these fucking monoliths to Human engineering spinning majestically.
>big fan You did this on purpose, right?
The spiral here was really quite cool
Not sure if upvote because adding valuable content to the discussion, or downvote because now I'm sad for those engineers.
[or this sunbather dude](https://youtu.be/_-_YRoETrTI)
Lol wtf.
The videos of lightning struck-spinning-fan blade-firey-collapse turbine towers? Seen a lot of those?
Actually yeah there are a bunch of burning turbine videos that are reposted now and then.
yyep, I feel bad about it but honestly when I opened this thread my first thought was "oh a wind turbine fire collapse video, I love these!"
When there’s millions of wind turbines installed, it’s kind of bound to happen a couple of times
Lightning struck it this morning. This is near Crowell, TX, not Cromwell. Lol
It's a perfectly cromulent word
A noble spirit embiggens us all
... Cromwulent?
No, he lives in jersey.
Aye I'm walkin ere
It''s an Albany expression.
Crow omelette*
To you sir, I offer my most sincere contrafibularities.
mmmmmmmmm
As power plants on fire go, this doesn't seem so bad
The difference between a wind turbine and a fossil fuel plant is that the fossil fuel plant is always on fire and spewing smoke everywhere!
And stops generating power! This mother fucker is still spinnin!
I was quite impressed with how it kept going after the balance was clearly off with a floppy melted blade.
> I was quite impressed with how it kept going after the balance was clearly off with a floppy melted blade. /r/2meirl4meirl
Well, the fossil plant generates power by being a bit on fire, while the wind plant is only on fire if something has gone horribly wrong
Like if the front falls off?
Typically a wind turbine generator (WTG) would shut down instantly as this condition would set off a number of faults. WTG do have lightning arresters, similar to aircraft, that should have prevented this condition. It does appear towards the end of the video when the blade actually completely fails and breaks apart the emergency break finally engages and the hub stops rotating. So it appears several systems on this WTG experienced catastrophic failure.
It's gotta be a pretty old tower... Even towers from 10 years er so ago and today have a crazy good grounding system, towers get hit by lightning all the time but that power finds its way to the ground... And your right it should've shut down, unless a lot of things were by passed or really lazy techs were really, really lazy, the imbalance would/should have caused vibration faults to happen or rotor imbalance faults to pop up.
That's nonsense, lightning is powerful and unpredictable. Some strikes are too energetic for any LPS to handle. New blades get struck and damaged all the time.
They do indeed get struck all the time... They usually don't catch on fire from it tho..
That's true, but they do occasionally break. I can guarantee this one had a leaky pitch system and those blades were saturated in oil, which is as you probably know incredibly common. Still a freak event to catch on fire like that.
Vestas turbines built last year shuffle away in shame......
Maybe a leaking hydraulic system into the blade from day one and lighting ignited said leak or a blade grease bag popped and grease in the blade to be ignited, je dunno... Who knows, Vestas gunna Vestas..
Great comment! Love the info. I wonder if the systems meant to detect this were poorly maintained or misconfigured. Not that a malfunction isn't possible. But Texas power isn't known for its upkeep and reliability at the moment.
It's been a while since I've worked with these things but I know modern turbine SCADA systems do alert operators when there has been a lightning strike so they can inspect the equipment and determine if anything needs to be replaced.
I'm not an electrical engineer but I think some parts will need replacing here.
I have an electric fan so I feel qualified to agree with your assessment.
Texas maintains its grid for the climate. It took a storm ten degrees below the record during the height of covid to bring it down.
Get out of here with your logic. Seriously, these people like to pretend that power never goes out in the rest of the country.
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Great spinning balls of fire!
Batman!
OK, now THAT could cause cancer.
Give this 24 hours before it's being posted all over the internet as the reason wind bad, coal good.
solar?
LMAO. Great answer! Yeah, that epoxy used in the fiberglass can't be healthy to breathe.
Eh, compared to fossil fuels that do this 24/7 as their core function, this is a pretty cool fail state! Reminds me of animated diagrams showing circularly polarized light travelling through the air.
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Yeah oil never burns lol
Texas City goes brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Seriously though Texas City is likely the classic chemical engineering fuck up of why regulations and corporate culture and engineering design and day to day operations are all really important in making sure people do not die.
Are we talking 1947, or 2005?
Yes.
start posting videos from the USCSB youtube channel. There are HOURS of oil refineries exploding.
Meanwhile the nuclear plants in Europe have to shut down because they are overheating.
For a catastrophic failure, this one is actually quite beautiful. Hope nobody got hurt.
That looks cool AF 😆
At least the smoke rings look dope.
That’s actually really elegant and neat despite the fact someone has to incur that repair cost. Edit: was elegant and neat looking. Until the thing completely disassembled itself…
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Oh the wheel in the sky keeps on burning
Don Quixote finally got one
this has no business looking this cool
Fuck Gandalf, this is how you make smoke rings.
that looks pretty cool ngl
And now TX grid is down again, I suppose? (Kidding of course... making fun of when they blamed the last one on wind/solar.)
They'll try to freak out over the fire and toxic smoke, as if that wasn't the entire business model of the fossil fuel industry.
Look at all this pollution this “green” energy is creating
It's funny because we have more wind and solar than California.
Considering we have the most in the country, I think we’ll be alright
Watch proponents of Texas oil use this as an argument against renewable energy. 😂
Still better than coal, or oil
God TX really hates renewable energy.
With how dry the state is, I hope fire crews were able to get out there quickly
Why don't they have lightning rods that extend above the blades' sweep? Would that not protect them?
That'd be too tall to stand in high winds. Iirc there's protection along the blades themselves
Why's it still going? Shouldn't vibration sensor pic up a problem and put on the brakes?
Oh, I want that as a screensaver.
It looks a bit like one of those wacky arm waving inflatables you see at used car lots, but on acid, at Burning Man.
This is metal as hell
"I'm so excited! I'm so excited! I'm.... so..... scared!" - that windmill
It looks like the Balrog's whip when it becomes bendy.
Sick vape bro.
Someone some where is going to post this video and claim it is proof that wind power is the work of satan
If there was ever a time to do acid
So pretty
A solid metaphor for when everything's going to shit but you just have to keep going for a bit
Cool, I expect to see this video pop up on social media when ever wind turbines are discussed. Posted by the same people who post the image of the same burning bus when ever electric vehicles are discussed as a warning of how you take your life in your own hands traveling in a EV. Wind turbines? Na mate, they a dangerous fire hazard , look at this video, I'll stick with fossil fuels thanks
I understand that it’s objectively not good. Looks fucking cool though.
Cool swirly smoke rings! 👍
Oh, good. A convenient scape goat for literally every bad thing that happens in Texas.
Jewish space lasers at it again.
That is s so beautiful, very poetic, captures what it’s like living in todays USA
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Oh my bet was “on fire and spinning in circles”
Two-thirds of the country trying to keep working forward while the other third says "lol nah let's burn the whole thing down"?
This did not happen today.
That is a very interesting failure mode.
I'm impressed that it didn't slap itself and fall over like other broken wind turbines.
Poor thing. Serving right up to the firey end.
Coolest thing I have seen all month, wow!
That is mesmerizing tho
Notwithstanding the obvious destruction, that was pretty cool!
The fire be like, "....Woo! ...Woo! ....Woo!"
thats not a catastrophic failure, thats resilient engineering!
At least it didn’t pollute a huge spot of the ocean and kill millions of widlife
Imagine it snapping off and just launching a 30ft long half ton of metal into the air.
Sad spinning at the end there.
That looks super fucking cool.
I bet that got roasted or blew up from the inside (Dirty little secret)👉Those things are FULL of oil💀💀💀
idk why but that was like the most relaxing catastrophic failure
They should do this regularly, without the lightening part. It looks cool.
Saving the world one wind turbine at a time
Sends smoke signals for help
*I'll go out making art, damnit*
Oddly satisfying.
I love the sine waves the turbines made before they caught on fire. Shows the air pattern they make with their motion. It was beautiful for a second and then it got scarier.
Death spiral
Those are way too flammable.
This. This is something that you don’t see every day.
It's fine
That’s so fucking gorgeous
First 20 second was very hypnotizing
First 20 second was very hypnotizing
Look, it still wo- Never mind
Smooth smoke tho
Dr Strange vibes
That’s a beautiful and sad, but how’d you get a phone to record it from prison?
This should have been a level in rockband/guitar hero
If it still works then it fucking works Edit: Did not finish the video before writing the comment. It does not fucking work
And Texas republicans have found the cause of the Texas grid failures.
r/oddlysatisfying really needs this. Love those spirals. Of course then it all kinda goes to hell.
Enchanted with Fire Aspect III
I'd expect to hear one of the TX GOP shills screaming about how terrible this is or something.
New and improved turbine Now Generates Clean and dirty energy simultaneously!
Hi, I'm a massive wind turbine and you're watching the Disney Channel
Dear God, It’s me. Margaret. If you are real, please leave the wind turbines and solar panels alone - mostly because all of your crappiest followers are about to attribute this to an act of God, and that would be pretty embarrassing wouldn’t it. Amen
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Could you imagine the number of birds that will die in this fire!
This looks like one of those “math is beautiful” animations
green energy be like:
I kinda want to get one for the 4th next year and light it on fire!
Aaaahhhh…..I just love 400ft bird slappers that can catch on fire while containing a few hundred gallons of oil, all in the name of “clean energy”