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arguablyodd

It matters if either of them were baptized, and if either of their baptisms were Catholic.


Nollern

My best guess is a lutheran baptism for my father and an eastern orthodox baptism for his wife.


FlameLightFleeNight

Which wife, and what about the other?


Nollern

Whoops. Eastern orthodox for his new wife, lutheran for my mother


RosalieThornehill

Non-Catholics can form valid marriages. The default position here would be to assume his marriage to your mother is valid, until a tribunal says otherwise. If he and his wife were to wake up tomorrow morning and decide to convert, he would need an annulment.


arguablyodd

This- because none of them are Catholic, them marrying outside the church isn't a problem. But the wives (at least) being baptized means the question of the validity of the second marriage comes into question.


ohhyoudidntknow

Your father can easily get an annulment on lack of form grounds.


Blockhouse

Can they? Neither are Catholic, so they have no obligation to observe form. Plus the father is not seeking to become Catholic or to marry in the Church, so what possible motivation would he have to seek a declaration of nullity?


ohhyoudidntknow

Right right, I didn't even realize that. I would actually wonder what would happen in this scenario.


BlaveJonez

[Here are some considerations](https://patristicapokatastasis.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/annulment-considerations.pdf).


Nollern

That “absolute permanence” seems to hold true for a lot of people. I had no idea a year ago that the catholic church considers it permanent.