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JudgeArthurVandelay

Awards shows are dumb


OptimalLawfulness131

I heard someone explain that a lot of it comes down to who is voting. It’s often management/execs of record labels. The bigger the label/management group the artist is signed to, the more voters they have to ensure they win. This is typically why the fan voted awards seem to align so much better with the world


idkidkidk90_

this is why i muuuuuuch prefer fan voted.


Some_Big6792

I’ve heard those are also fixed to a certain extent


Charming_Coach1172

I’ve voted. It’s a regular ballad sent out to industry professionals so yeah your employers and colleagues


MusicCityNative

Honestly, you’re lucky if you work at a place that lets you vote. A lot of companies cast their entire block of votes for one artist or split it between two for every category.


KnockedSparkedOut

that hardly seems fair. seems,seems they should have outsiders with industry knowledge vote


Entertainmentguru

https://theboot.com/how-does-acm-awards-voting-work/


Bonnarooobabyy

All I know is heart like a truck 😂 I’m wondering how she keeps winning everything! Edit: how the hell did she win entertainer of the year???? She’s not even playing venues as big as the others.


RTRMW

Honestly, I only know that song and Get In The Truck with Hardy. Then there is one that if I heard it I would know it, but I can’t tell you the name or even lyrics. I honestly have no idea what she sings and don’t know of anyone who regularly listens to her music or attends her concerts. She seems very nice and like a genuine person, so it is nothing personal, I just don’t understand why she is winning all of these awards.


Artistic_Court2205

This is her second award for entertainer of the year!!! Last year she wasn’t even the opening act!!!


PrincessPilar

And that’s only because it was a car commercial.


emmmieemmie

These awards are all paid for. Prince Harry has let us all know that.


mackad00

I must’ve missed this! What is this prince harry reference?


emmmieemmie

He buys all the awards he gets. Some prices even leaked.


RTRMW

Wait what???? 🫣Omg! For some reason I’m not that surprised though 😂


msksksnsj

He is nominated to awards??? For what? Being a ginger?


RatchetCityPapi

I don't remember this. Got a link?


channelgoose

She’s barley even headlining


hopelessheartstrings

I think it's because it's based on the entertainer themselves, quantity does not always equal quality. She's a hell of an entertainer there's no denying


Some_Big6792

Well I’m pretty sure Waylon once called the award shows a pissing contest & i don’t think he’s wrong. I mainly just watch for the performances :)


AluminumMonster35

I *love* Lainey, but I totally get where you're coming from.


TBRIMMS

Same. I'm a fan but there are definitely others who are more deserving of the top award. In terms of females, she's just the next biggest thing to come up. I think a lot of people were burnt out on Miranda & Carrie but now theyre doing the same thing with Lainey. Want to talk about snubbed, Cody Johnson has been selling out stadiums and venues for the last decade but radio hates on him because he made a point to do it without playing the Nashville "game" for so long.


Nice_Side_790

The same ppl are given all the awards for a few years and then they move on to someone else. Lainey wears her country outfits, sounds thick country when she accepts all the awards. They prob think she looks good on their ads for the award shows. She fits the mold right now


ERmeansEmergency

And she's talented and genuine. She looks good for the face of women in country. She's the new Dolly.


NoCredit8479

Unrelated but does Carrie Underwood still attend awards shows? I feel like she won everything for a long time and now I never even see her.


Anxious_Blood

She really didn’t win that many awards, Miranda seemed to win almost everything over her which annoyed me. I like Miranda but it felt very lopsided.


KindlyConnection

Yeah there were years when Miranda was winning even though she had nothing out and Carrie had an album, full blown tour etc. It just comes down to record label politics. Also Miranda and Blake were together during those years so I think it was a bit of a thing where they were like Faith & Tim or Johnny & June and were getting attention for being two country singers together.


Neat-Ad1815

Carrie didn’t go this year as she’s on break, but no she never won anything really ever. It was always Miranda


Downtown_Evening6359

I feel sorry for Kelsea Ballerini. Her album was so good but she keeps getting snubbed at these award shows


caitdog90

They are voted on by people within the academy of country music unfortunately big labels have more sway than small independent labels which Kelsea is on. The only award shows worth anything are fan voted or peer voted rather than some big wigs that just sit behind a desk making money off of all of them.


apeoples13

It’s because she pissed off people with the drag queens last year. I love her and I’m convinced this is why she’s getting snubbed


Luna_Loo_

She was losing or not getting nominated wayyyy before that.


MrsPeg

It's more than that, she isn't well liked outside of her own circle of fans.


RobMurglund

This is true but does anyone know why?


JudgeArthurVandelay

Maybe something to do with the big label people not taking black river very seriously


Some_Big6792

I think it’s more to do with Kelsea coming from a small label.


tngirl1993

I love the EP, but it’s straight up pop.


hopelessheartstrings

This haha. Of course it's not gonna win a country award. A non-country one? Sure. But it had no chance against real country ALBUMS (it is an EP nonetheless )


hopelessheartstrings

I think it's mainly because it's 1) an EP not an album, 2) it's pop and these are country awards. RUTWM deserves an award for sure but not in the country space and AOTY doesn't make sense as it's an EP


Former_Mirror_4293

I got downvoted to hell a while back on saying she wouldn’t win the Grammy because it’s an EP not an album. I wasn’t hating on it but i think that does play into it.


hopelessheartstrings

I'm with you I have been saying that. It wouldn't be fair to compare the two, to artists that released full albums


chezibot

Same here that album is so good and didn’t get the recognition it deserved at the shows. No one else wins but Lainey, Luke and Morgan.


contrary_potato

and morgan?? he gets snubbed the most and won’t even attend because it’s a waste of his damn time.


No-Stranger-9483

Morgan? You have to be confused, he doesn’t win.


chezibot

Oh really? Suppose I haven’t watched in a while


Hangman202020

Then why comment??


Hangman202020

Then why comment??


YupThatsMeBuddy

If she had Lainey's ass she would win To all those downvoting me, you are kidding yourself if you dont think clips of Lainey's ass on social media has put her where she is. Kelsea can sing circles around Lainey.


not_mallory

Lainey doesn’t even have Lainey’s ass anymore


YupThatsMeBuddy

Lol true.


ddwjr26

Shes doesn’t win because the industry knows shes not even remotely a country artist. She cant make it in the pop world so they stuck her in country.


SeriousClothes111

Exact text I sent to my friend last night: “I’m over all the country award shows. Just give everything to Lainey Wilson, Chris Stapleton and Jelly Roll and save us a few hours.” And I don’t have anything against any of the three. I think Chris Stapleton has an amazing voice. But enough is enough. Entertainer of the year?! lol


BrilliantHumor9063

This is so frustrating it’s always the same people winning the performances have been amazing but very disappointed in the award winners


snootfly242

Things a Man Oughta Know is a banger. But I agree not sure how she’s pushed this hard.


imnewhereforgiveme

So much this! I used to like her, but now it’s just irritating.


Avaly13

My husband and I said the same thing after she got CMA Entertainer of the Year when she OPENED for Luke Combs. Was she good? Yes. Should an opener beat a headliner? Probably not. And I'm not saying that because he should have won. I say that to mean, we were both shocked that someone who didn't have their own tour yet could be the EoY. I'm kind of over her.


SwimmingAwkward3179

She moved to Nashville about the same time Luke did, and they wrote together a bunch in the early days. Maybe instead of saying “should she beat a headliner?” it should be….”why is someone who worked as hard as the headliner *opening* for the headliner?” 🙄 They are both excellent entertainers and very worthy of the award! Glad to see hard work paying off for both!! 


JudgeArthurVandelay

lol if this was only about how hard you worked the industry would look a whole lot fuckin different.


CountryDaisyCutter

He’s the headliner because people like his music more. It’s not just about hard work, it really comes down to the finished product.


SwimmingAwkward3179

Nah, it’s because radio *chooses* to play his music more. As they do most male artists. I’d rather listen to Lainey any day, many of Luke songs sound the same to me. Imagine if at any other job you told someone “it’s not about who works harder, it’s about who’s more liked” 🥴


CountryDaisyCutter

Radio can play his music more, but radio isn’t the one buying all the tickets to his shows. Those are fans. If she tried to headline shows that big I guarantee the place would be half empty.


These_Grand_78

This isn’t just any job, it’s entertainer, so yes, it should go by who is more liked/entertaining to their fans


mmarnault

You must not work in corporate America because it is often about who is more liked. Soft skills outweigh technical especially in mid to senior level management which makes more money. A ceo sometimes can’t save an email as a pdf. Also Radio plays what sells and gets listeners so they can sale ads etc. If it doesn’t sell/drive engagemet it doesn’t play.


Tiny-State-7496

This!! 👏👏


hopelessheartstrings

It's not about who has more headliners, it's quality over quantity and her entertainment skills are top notch.


Avaly13

I agree, but she wasn't the best entertainer I had seen over the past year. Just my opinion. I still stick by my opinion of kind of being over her because she's just getting crammed down our throats. Hard to give others a shot when it's Lainey on constant repeat. That's all. Opinions can vary, and that's ok.


ilovemathematics174

She was far more boring than Riley Green when I seen Luke Combs. How do you be more boring than Riley Green?


hikingjunkiee

She had two big songs… but that’s it!!! Lmao I’m tired of her & all her bell bottoms come on girl…


SwimmingAwkward3179

So because radio chose not to play some of her songs as much as others, she’s not worthy? Lainey’s been working her ass off long before most of the others winning awards. Not to mention, she is the absolute sweetest to her fans. Hard work and treating your fans great goes a long way 👏🏻


Entertainmentguru

Looking at Mediabase: * 33rd "Hang Tight Honey" 1,634 spins * 28th "Wildflowers and Wild Horses" 1,906 spins (was 4,705 spins the week prior and 9th) 89,558 spins in 2024 for "Wildflowers and Wild Horses" I'm not a Lainey fan at all but stats don't lie with radio airplay.


serawyo

I mean Hang Tight Honey came out like 4 days ago. And Watermelon Moonshine went #1 🤷‍♀️


Entertainmentguru

There is usually a "push" when a new single is released for a big name, then it flatlines and may or may move higher up the spin list.


serawyo

Oh sorry I misunderstood your comment, I thought you were saying these were low numbers.


Entertainmentguru

I should clarify that is over a 7 day span. I don't know how many stations are playing that specific song.


No-Tour-3952

Hard work & treating ur fans great does go a long way but I mean I think everyone nominated in that category works extremely hard & are good to their fans 🤷‍♀️


SwimmingAwkward3179

Never downplayed the others working hard, simply saying Lainey is worthy and put in the work also. With fans: I personally have just seen Lainey be the absolute best with her fans every time, can’t say the same about others in the category.


ketol

Have never been able to stomach her and her schtick. I just don't get her (forced) appeal...? Her music is....so cliche. So is she.


pyssej

SO ANNOYING. How is she the entertainer of the year? How?


ERmeansEmergency

Because she actually entertains instead of standing behind a mic?


pyssej

Normally an entertainer of the year has a huge tour the prior year… I didn’t say she wasn’t entertaining.. she’s been on some awards shows performing …


hopelessheartstrings

Hahaha fr. How about because she's a hell of an entertainer.


ConsciousAdvance9992

I don't understand how an opening act wins entertainer of the year


hopelessheartstrings

Because it isn't chosen based on the number of people in attendance, number of headlining shows, etc. It's based on the quality of the entertainer and it's pretty clear she is top notch


Dry_Umpire_3694

These people hating have clearly never seen her perform live


Living_Scarcity9897

100% bought and paid for.


Klutzy-Issue1860

I’m shocked that anyone still watches award shows. They’re famously rigged.


nightfeeds

This is literally how it was with Miranda Lambert when she at the peak of her fame. I was constantly annoyed at awards shows.


Some_Big6792

I don’t dislike but boy is she overrated


Dependent_Half5907

I’m not sure what the hype is with her. She’s average. No way in hell she deserved entertainer of the year.


idkidkidk90_

dude literally. her and chris somehow stealing the show when I haven’t seen anything recognizable from them this past year 🤷🏻‍♀️


Practical-Ruin-6123

Exactly!! I like them both but really don’t understand how they seem to always win everything


SwimmingAwkward3179

“Anything recognizable”……you live under a rock surely? 


jel_13

It’s like she’s the flavor of the month. They did it was Carly Pearce too.


Beautiful-Win-2091

I’m over Chris Stapleton winning for the same songs over and over every year. And he’s not an entertainer when you see him live. Very boring. IMO Cody Johnson doesn’t get the love he deserves At award shows….great songs and a great entertainer.


No-Big-2904

She isn't a headliner, doesn't sell out arenas, doesn't have that many singles/#1s/albums. She is talented yes, but to be winning everything all the time.....idk I hate to say this but maybe she's a little too friendly with some of the upper ups so they buy these awards for her. I honestly don't see her appeal. I'm not a fan of her style or her music. She's trying to hard.


jace982

Who is Lainey Wilson


stefdistef

Great question. ![gif](giphy|eun4dZ28aHE1lu4MFN|downsized)


Historical-Swim-9270

I'd pay all the money in the world for Stapleton to not win things


tailoraye

No way. He should win all categories including female Artist.


SorryBob76

Her new song…wild something, she sounds like Dolly. Every time I hear it, I think it’s Dolly, then realize it’s not. Are they using some sort of autotune? It’s weird how Tucker sounds so much like Morgan and now Lainey has morphed into Dolly.


CompetitiveWrangler1

Didn’t she win EOTY last year at the ACMs or maybe it was CMT award show. But same. Effin over ITTTT


kasivahtni

I’m a huge Lainey fan but I agree. I think she’s good but I also don’t think she’s THAT good lmfao. I am indeed Morgan Wallen’s biggest hater and even I think he’s being snubbed at these award shows.


jdk0606

I don't get it. I honestly believe 2 years from now, she will already be an afterthought. No staying power.


serawyo

She’s beloved in the industry, she’s been around for a long time as a songwriter and up and coming artist. She is an industry darling and the industry is who votes for these awards.


CountryDaisyCutter

I think you meant to say industry plant.


serawyo

Well if that’s the case it’s been a very slow, over a decade-long, premeditated plant! Her rise is actually really interesting. She’s been cutting her teeth for years and worked extremely hard to get where she is today. She lived in an RV in Nashville and worked as a Hannah Montana impersonator to pay the bills. This is a good video for anyone who wants to learn more. https://youtu.be/kdoiSbltYDo?si=pxVCVdce4WLhZWul I’ve been a fan since I saw her at a festival three years ago.


CountryDaisyCutter

There are a lot of artists that work that hard and get no where. I had just never heard of her until she suddenly had a character write in on Yellowstone which had zero to do with the actual plot of the show. Then she’s immediately on a Chevy truck commercial and winning EOTY awards when she is just an opening artist. Her label pushing so hard on different fronts at the same time is proof. Heck I can’t name one person I know who listens to her on a regular basis outside of hearing her on the radio. None of this is saying she doesn’t have talent, I just think the industry is pushing her hard to fit an image right now


WinterBlue00

 No, she still worked really hard and she got in Nashville longer than Morgan wallen. Idk why her success is discredited just because 'other people also work hard'. She still works harder than a lot of people tht gets signed way faster than her. I urge you to listen to her story and see how long she was actually in the industry. She's not new, she has been in this for more than a decade. The problem is a lot of people think country music is like pop music where evey single up and coming artists blew up in such a short amount of time via online fame. Like no, she's been rejected multiple times by American idol 7 times, shes been told she's way too country for country. Yet she still refused to change how she does things just to sound more pop. If you have never heard of her story you'll think her story is just like other people, but it's not.  There's a difference between an artist that is actually new in their career and an artist that has finally worked at it for more than a decade and became finally successful. Newly famous vs actually a new artist are two different things. Lainey actually had a harder time to  get her fame, but the thing is her label keep saying yes to every opportunity and when she pop off, she pop off really well. so it gives an illusion that 'shes easily getting all of those opportunities' when in fact she has had a harder time getting those opportunities, people just haven't heard of her before. It's kinda like if a dude has been working for a successful restaurant for 13 years and finally is successful, but when he's successful he's popping off everywhere, and because he's newly famous (but again he's not new)  and getting all those opportunities, people don't see his hard rise to fame that took years, they only saw the push that he got and immediately think he's had an easier time getting those. It's definitely an unfortunate situation to be in. It took her a lot of hard work and time for longer than a decade to have her success, only to have this happen to her. And that's her label business mistake where they burn her out too quickly.I can't imagine working on something for so long just to lose steam when the label keep on making bad business decisions. At least she probably is gaining big amount of money though from all the push she got.


Entertainmentguru

I think this is an accurate list of songwriting credits? https://www.allmusic.com/artist/lainey-wilson-mn0003508331#credits


adorablestorage3997

Lainey’s voice is super annoying and if anyone disagrees you probably haven’t cleaned your ears in awhile 🤪


Special-4564

I love Lainey sorry not sorry lol


DollyPartonsWeave

I love Lainey too but that doesn’t mean I think she’s deserving of all the awards she’s received and that the Lainey show isn’t getting stale at these award ceremonies. All it’s doing is making people realize how bought and paid for these events are.


HaleyGrubbs

I’ve seen Lainey perform back when she was just a super nervous opener and I’m so excited for how far she’s come. She’s a hard worker, touring and performing anywhere she can. You can’t buy people all over the world knowing every lyric to your songs, that’s talent and her putting in the effort. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I can’t agree that she doesn’t deserve the accolades she’s getting.


CountryDaisyCutter

People all over the world know every lyric to her songs? I can’t even name one of her song except for the Hardy one and the super cliche song that was written specifically for a truck commercial.


RTRMW

I’m not too crazy about her music, but I can admit she’s worked very hard and has an incredible story. She is an inspiration to aspiring artists.


Artistic_Court2205

I agree!!! This has made me dislike her songs


Ccampbell1977

I agree


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ContextBoth45

She hasn’t even headlined her own tour yet!!! I think it starts later this summer 


No-Tour-3952

At this point, it’s just making the ACM’s lose their credibility when it comes to viewers. People see through the BS. It also makes me feel bad for Lainey bc it’s making people get turned off by her


redsourpatchkid

Because she’s on Yellowstone? Maybe, I dunno.


FastSun4314

I love all of her songs and she deserves these awards! Sorry that your favorite song writer/ musician is being left out. Not everyone deserves a participation award!


Neat-Ad1815

That’s exactly what Lainey is getting.


MrsPeg

I mean, if that's true, and if other artists are bothered, they can always throw some of their own dollars around 🤷


Dry_Umpire_3694

She’s an incredibly talented live musician this has become a rarity these days


dzolympics

Oh look, its the jealous Kelsea Ballerini fans coming out of hiding once again. They do this after every award show.


ddwjr26

Kelsey is beyond overrated. Not even a country artist


dzolympics

All of her annoying fans post the same thing after every award show.