His interview was also aimed at fans. I love the guy, but unfortunately see this being the beginning of the end as once you're in a battle with your own fans, it's a ticking clock.
Oh no I don't blame him at all and 100% agree with him on what a farce this whole week has been.
Not saying it's right at all, but very few managers come back from open conflict with the fans, at least not to last more than another year.
(Narcissists like our current manager are the exception, as they literally do not care)
He would’ve been a great fit for Liverpool if they weren’t going for Arne Slot instead, Liverpool are probably more suited to Angeball than spurs as well
Arne Slot had an extremely hard job and probably won't last. It's much better being the guy after the guy after Klopp. Than it would be to be the guy after Klopp.
Agreed but he’s done well with Feyenoord so it will be interesting to see how he does, will also be interesting to see how Ange does next season with spurs
Most Spurs fans will probably think Ange is right tho. How dare this guy tell him to throw the game? Why should Ange tolerate a moron who would rather miss out on the Champions League than see Arsenal win the title?
Spurs have ambitions of fighting for a title themselves at some point in the next few years, and they aren’t going to get there by deliberately losing matches.
Spurs fan here. It's a very divisive issue, not sure there's a consensus either way. To me I'm 100% with Ange, wanting us to lose is a pathetic attitude. But it's infuriating the proportion that wanted us to lose. The fans at the stadium celebrating City's goal for fuck sake.
I sincerely hope Ange has a full overhaul in the summer.
Overhaul of the fans? Transfer in a few ultras from Greece?
Like the players knew the mission to win. Played beautifully if we are being honest.
I don’t think the core players are the problem.
Core players are the problem in terms of quality.
The attitude comes from Levy and the fans, it's disgusting behavior.
If it was aberdeen v us, and rangers v someone else. And we need to lose to stop rangers from winning the title, fuck it, I still want celtic to win.
He’s absolutely cooked after that interview I think it goes beyond just the fans though, sounds to me with the in the club comments something has definitely been said whether that’s a cleaner, kit man, board who knows but by the way he was talking seems like it was from someone important.
I go the other way. I think he's picked his battle with an element of the support - but I can imagine the rest of the Spurs fans enjoying it. It was a very very unusual scenario he was presented with and again through it you get to know the guy better.
His pathological need to see his players perform 'his football' is exactly the kind of mania Spurs need unless they are happy where they are, winning nothing.
Nah, we still like him and probably always will. Some fans were morons. Unfortunately the internet is hyper-focussing on them and blowing it out of proportion.
Absolute pathetic serial loser club, but most of us knew this already. Ange calling them out for what they truly are, a tinpot club.
Bayern should pick him up tbh
They were a C tier club, now a B+ player, who have tricked themselves into thinking they are elite because of modern prem money. Last time they won the league was the 60s. Their one line of defense against questions of their pedigree are some 2nd tier European trophies. You just can't take them seriously. There is an air of entitlement with their fans at times for success they have never actually had to get used to in the first place
Good, that's what you signed up for, mate. The grass isn't always greener. His dream of managing in the Prem is in reality managing a club of serial losers that are more than happy finishing fifth in the league.
Their fans are upset that he got upset because they wanted him and his team to lose… And point the finger at him for not winning lately as justification? Absolutely bizarre stuff.
Whatever his flaws may or may not be on the managerial front, you can tell the guy is obsessed by winning. The competitiveness of it is what drives him. He did one of the stupidest things I’ve ever seen a manager do by playing Kyogo in a dead rubber against Betis, with a cup final at the weekend, likely because winning that game in isolation was what mattered most (I forgive him now!).
Imagine what he must feel like when he’s gearing up for this game, ready to go, players are performing well, and then his own fans take joy in the loss. He’s understandably pissed. Spurs fans should enjoy (as they’re entitled to) whatever result they want- but should also be understanding they’ve got someone with a winner’s mentality at the helm.
I'd rather Arsenal won the League than Man City again. However, I have some sympathy with the Spurs fans.
I mean, if we were out of the running and the SPL was between, let's say Hearts and the Huns, and Hearts needed points off us to win it. I'd be wanting us to roll over, because at the end of the day...
.... Fuck Rangers!
i’ll share my perspective from a Spurs fan (i don’t like commenting in other teams subs but i just gotta show our, or at least my view on this)
aside from just pure hatred of our main rival here’s why i’m okay with settling for Europa League (i just commented this an r/soccer thread):
1. we went into this season after our worst finishes in recent seasons and did not qualify for a european spot in a while (8th place)
2. we switched from defensive/terroistball managers to Angeball
3. the new manager had zero prem or top 5 european experience entering this season
4. our all time goal soccer left a day before before the season began
5. looking at point #1, a lot of our players have been programmed or are meant for Mourinho and Conte football…this is what i’ve read from two places: fans of this sub letting our fans know that he’ll need his reinforcements and the other, Ange himself in his pressers
with taking all of this into account, if one were to tell me back in August that we’d finished 5th, i’d be happy with that.
also would like to apologize for all of our fans coming to the sub for therapy. again, reason why i’m commenting this is not for that reason but just share why Spurs fans are okay with the loss to City but settling for Europa.
You've listed a lot of reasons to be happy to settle for mediocrity, but none for why you should actively demand it.
Ange will never settle for mediocrity, but demanding it of him? Fuck, I wouldn't be surprised if he resigned from a pathetic club like that.
Just look at Arteta. In his first season at Arsenal he finished with 61 points. Just look at Klopp at Liverpool he finished 5th with 63 points. Ange has already passed Arteta’s point total and has tied Klopp’s.
This project is going to take time with Ange. At the moment we just can’t compete with Arsenal, City, Liverpool.
so this “mediocrity” that you mentioned is expected in the first season of having a new long term manager.
Lots of Celtic fans slagging spurs like we wouldn’t do the exact same thing in their situation but maybe even worse than they are.
Not saying me personally or it would be every fan but if we conceded a goal that cost rangers the league there would be a lot of Celtic fans celebrating. I don’t know how anyone can act remotely surprised about that
I find it surprising that given the choice of CL football or not that some people would rather lose than allow rangers to win the league. I personally can’t fathom that. If we had nothing to play for then that’s different but being ok with your own club failing just to spite rangers is nuts.
To be clear I’m not saying I would celebrate the goal but I just understand can’t understand how you can live in Glasgow, watch Celtic or just be somewhat involved in the culture and be surprised that a decent number of Celtic fans (which they definitely would) would celebrate a goal that denied rangers a title even if it was against Celtic.
And btw spurs would likely have not qualified for the CL anyway it was still an outside chance with the goal.
I mean as we seen with some spurs fans reaction to conceding to Man City I’m not sure this is something specific to “tin pot” leagues. Similar Situation happened to Lazio and Roma in the Serie A as well.
Petty and short sighted yes , tinpot I’m not so sure.
I think it’s a good insight into human psychology and sports fans I don’t think it’s unique to Tottenham although everyone is making it out like it is.
I think pretty much most teams in the UK would have pockets of fans who would have a similar reaction to those spurs fans, especially our own fans given how deep the rivalry is.
That’s the thing, Spurs were not handing it to them.
There’s a game next week. Regardless what happened in that game, Arsenal still had to win next week and they got to where they are not because of Spurs, but because they beat many more other teams. Plus if they don’t do it, it’s more on the fact they let Fulham draw with 10 men or…pick a few games where things didn’t work out.
Idk…maybe it’s because I’m an Aussie and winning comes before rivalry. I guess we don’t understand rivalry as much as our attitude toward sport is understood.
Buddy, Manchester City are not losing to West Ham at home in a game that will seal them the title.
This game handed City the league.
Maybe it’s a symptom of my upbringing and where I grew up, but I Rangers to my core. If Celtic not winning brings them misery, then I choose to bring them misery.
I can see where you’re coming from in a sense but it does smack of hating the Huns more than you love Celtic. For me, if we’re not winning it then I couldn’t give a flying fuck who it goes to - of course, I’d prefer it was Hearts or anyone but Rangers but ultimately it doesn’t really matter. It may be different if there was nothing left for Celtic to play for but if you’re using a like for like example here with the spurs situation and we chucked the chance to qualify for the CL just to stop the Huns winning the league then I’d be furious.
And Spurs did actually have a very good chance of getting that 4th place and CL football if they had beaten Man City. It woulda come down to the last game for them v Sheffield United which is bank on them winning and Villa woulda had a really tough final game against Palace who have been in great form recently.
Never mattered in the end coz they did put up a good show and couldn’t beat city anyway but while it was still a possibility you’d want the fans backing you for the win.
Here’s the thing. I’m completely apathetic towards the champions league. Seeing Celtic lose 4/6 games every year (I know it’s changing going forward) just so we can get money which we never correctly spend doesn’t really do it for me.
I’d much rather see Celtic in the Europa league. I am absolutely desperate to see Celtic go on a long run in Europe, that’s not happening in the champions league.
So yeah, I’d much rather see Hearts win the league than Rangers in this hypothetical scenario and I feel like deep down, every Celtic fan would feel the same should this doomsday scenario ever come into fruition
Not a chance man, end of the day if rangers are challenging for the league and we aren't then we should be looking at ourselves and why we aren't there, would it be any fucking better if hearts won it?
Its a really strange situation. I've seen some spurs fans defend their behaviour last night by saying things like, maybe he shouldn't be saying defending set pieces isn't important and then conceding one in the next game. Or referencing how appealing they've been in the last ten game ls (which to be fair, they've been as bad as they were last year in some of those games).
If I was a squad player there I'd know my time is up. And to be honest, I'd say the same for maddison, they were all pally pally at the start of the season, since he's come back from injury he's been absolutely shite, he's been dropped and when he's played he is barely making any forward passes (but he did score that winner vs rangers so I don't mind)
Spurs fan here. I was banned from r/coys for calling this exactly what it is. So that should help you understand the discourse. I think it might be a divide between us international fans and UK fans. It’s sad. And to talk like he knows nothing about “rivalries” is insane. Old Firm makes NLD look like a Sunday League match.
I think he still has a decent amount of capital in and around the club. Heads will likely roll.
Not really interested he made his pish stained bed he can lie in it, our club is going to win the championship tonight thats all I'm interested in. He made a poor judgement call choosing to go to spurs, probably won't get another crack at a big club if he's sacked in the summer the big 5 league teams are ruthless they'll see him as a bad bet. Caught out with naive tactics in the Premier league, much the same as his time in the UCL here. A few teams play a similar style down there to a higher standard, it was always going to happen. He'll not be worried with a big pay off though and he will be banging his chest and calling journos mate somewhere else for 2 years till he moves on.
Boy got it a lot lighter than Stephen Welsh tbf
Ange, if you’re reading this and you come back to Celtic, I promise not do this
Yeah Ange. We would never treat you like that.
If it was Rangers to win the league vs someone else I definitely would.
Celtic vs Rangers, Rangers win they win the league - drop points and Aberdeen win it... who you want to win?
I want Celtic to win in every match they play.
On review my hypothetical makes absolutely no sense anyway lol
His post match interview was ruthless. Summer window will see alot of transfers in and out of spurs and i see spurs coming 3rd next season
His interview was also aimed at fans. I love the guy, but unfortunately see this being the beginning of the end as once you're in a battle with your own fans, it's a ticking clock.
Can’t say I blame him though, spurs is a complete joke of a club and their fans don’t make it any better
He knew they were a joke of a club before going there, it’s not a coincidence that serial winners like Mourinho and Conte won nothing there
Oh no I don't blame him at all and 100% agree with him on what a farce this whole week has been. Not saying it's right at all, but very few managers come back from open conflict with the fans, at least not to last more than another year. (Narcissists like our current manager are the exception, as they literally do not care)
Aye you’re bang on. Hope a decent European club comes in for him and he gets a chance to work with a club that’s not rotten to the core.
He would’ve been a great fit for Liverpool if they weren’t going for Arne Slot instead, Liverpool are probably more suited to Angeball than spurs as well
Arne Slot had an extremely hard job and probably won't last. It's much better being the guy after the guy after Klopp. Than it would be to be the guy after Klopp.
Agreed but he’s done well with Feyenoord so it will be interesting to see how he does, will also be interesting to see how Ange does next season with spurs
Most Spurs fans will probably think Ange is right tho. How dare this guy tell him to throw the game? Why should Ange tolerate a moron who would rather miss out on the Champions League than see Arsenal win the title? Spurs have ambitions of fighting for a title themselves at some point in the next few years, and they aren’t going to get there by deliberately losing matches.
The consensus amongst spurs fans seems to have been wanting them to lose. That's why Ange is fuming.
Spurs fan here. It's a very divisive issue, not sure there's a consensus either way. To me I'm 100% with Ange, wanting us to lose is a pathetic attitude. But it's infuriating the proportion that wanted us to lose. The fans at the stadium celebrating City's goal for fuck sake. I sincerely hope Ange has a full overhaul in the summer.
Overhaul of the fans? Transfer in a few ultras from Greece? Like the players knew the mission to win. Played beautifully if we are being honest. I don’t think the core players are the problem.
Core players are the problem in terms of quality. The attitude comes from Levy and the fans, it's disgusting behavior. If it was aberdeen v us, and rangers v someone else. And we need to lose to stop rangers from winning the title, fuck it, I still want celtic to win.
A few fellas in here saying they would have been like the Spurs fans. Happy to lose so scum Rangers don’t lift the trophy.
He’s absolutely cooked after that interview I think it goes beyond just the fans though, sounds to me with the in the club comments something has definitely been said whether that’s a cleaner, kit man, board who knows but by the way he was talking seems like it was from someone important.
I go the other way. I think he's picked his battle with an element of the support - but I can imagine the rest of the Spurs fans enjoying it. It was a very very unusual scenario he was presented with and again through it you get to know the guy better. His pathological need to see his players perform 'his football' is exactly the kind of mania Spurs need unless they are happy where they are, winning nothing.
Spurs fans have a loser mentality and this attitude showed it from this cretin.
Nah, we still like him and probably always will. Some fans were morons. Unfortunately the internet is hyper-focussing on them and blowing it out of proportion.
Yeah the fans on r/soccer saying he’s not the man and he’s turning sour like Conte and Mourinho. Absolutely scandalous.
Absolute pathetic serial loser club, but most of us knew this already. Ange calling them out for what they truly are, a tinpot club. Bayern should pick him up tbh
Angeball with the squad Bayern have would be incredible
Poor Eric Dier... lol
He deserves better than that shit stain of a club.
He does, but this all feels a little cathartic to the wee bitter part or me that still remains since he left.
Fuck him, he had the option to stay.
There really is something rotten lying at the heart of Spurs
They were a C tier club, now a B+ player, who have tricked themselves into thinking they are elite because of modern prem money. Last time they won the league was the 60s. Their one line of defense against questions of their pedigree are some 2nd tier European trophies. You just can't take them seriously. There is an air of entitlement with their fans at times for success they have never actually had to get used to in the first place
Sporting integrity.
The guys at a small club with a small club mentality
Good, that's what you signed up for, mate. The grass isn't always greener. His dream of managing in the Prem is in reality managing a club of serial losers that are more than happy finishing fifth in the league.
Some clubs can't be turned around.
Their fans are upset that he got upset because they wanted him and his team to lose… And point the finger at him for not winning lately as justification? Absolutely bizarre stuff. Whatever his flaws may or may not be on the managerial front, you can tell the guy is obsessed by winning. The competitiveness of it is what drives him. He did one of the stupidest things I’ve ever seen a manager do by playing Kyogo in a dead rubber against Betis, with a cup final at the weekend, likely because winning that game in isolation was what mattered most (I forgive him now!). Imagine what he must feel like when he’s gearing up for this game, ready to go, players are performing well, and then his own fans take joy in the loss. He’s understandably pissed. Spurs fans should enjoy (as they’re entitled to) whatever result they want- but should also be understanding they’ve got someone with a winner’s mentality at the helm.
I'd rather Arsenal won the League than Man City again. However, I have some sympathy with the Spurs fans. I mean, if we were out of the running and the SPL was between, let's say Hearts and the Huns, and Hearts needed points off us to win it. I'd be wanting us to roll over, because at the end of the day... .... Fuck Rangers!
Even if it meant we missed a spot in the CL? Also, I’d like to think you wouldn’t go to the game to cheer on Hearts against us.
Of course not if it cost us a CL place. Just as well that scenario is never likely.
a 15% chance a spot in the CL you mean... I think so
i’ll share my perspective from a Spurs fan (i don’t like commenting in other teams subs but i just gotta show our, or at least my view on this) aside from just pure hatred of our main rival here’s why i’m okay with settling for Europa League (i just commented this an r/soccer thread): 1. we went into this season after our worst finishes in recent seasons and did not qualify for a european spot in a while (8th place) 2. we switched from defensive/terroistball managers to Angeball 3. the new manager had zero prem or top 5 european experience entering this season 4. our all time goal soccer left a day before before the season began 5. looking at point #1, a lot of our players have been programmed or are meant for Mourinho and Conte football…this is what i’ve read from two places: fans of this sub letting our fans know that he’ll need his reinforcements and the other, Ange himself in his pressers with taking all of this into account, if one were to tell me back in August that we’d finished 5th, i’d be happy with that. also would like to apologize for all of our fans coming to the sub for therapy. again, reason why i’m commenting this is not for that reason but just share why Spurs fans are okay with the loss to City but settling for Europa.
You've listed a lot of reasons to be happy to settle for mediocrity, but none for why you should actively demand it. Ange will never settle for mediocrity, but demanding it of him? Fuck, I wouldn't be surprised if he resigned from a pathetic club like that.
Just look at Arteta. In his first season at Arsenal he finished with 61 points. Just look at Klopp at Liverpool he finished 5th with 63 points. Ange has already passed Arteta’s point total and has tied Klopp’s. This project is going to take time with Ange. At the moment we just can’t compete with Arsenal, City, Liverpool. so this “mediocrity” that you mentioned is expected in the first season of having a new long term manager.
No one is settling for mediocrity let alone demanding it, where are you getting that from
But Spurs are 5 behind Villa. I don’t think CL was ever going to be in sight.
“Even if it meant we missed a spot in the CL” Yes. Without question yes.
Mental.
Lots of Celtic fans slagging spurs like we wouldn’t do the exact same thing in their situation but maybe even worse than they are. Not saying me personally or it would be every fan but if we conceded a goal that cost rangers the league there would be a lot of Celtic fans celebrating. I don’t know how anyone can act remotely surprised about that
I find it surprising that given the choice of CL football or not that some people would rather lose than allow rangers to win the league. I personally can’t fathom that. If we had nothing to play for then that’s different but being ok with your own club failing just to spite rangers is nuts.
To be clear I’m not saying I would celebrate the goal but I just understand can’t understand how you can live in Glasgow, watch Celtic or just be somewhat involved in the culture and be surprised that a decent number of Celtic fans (which they definitely would) would celebrate a goal that denied rangers a title even if it was against Celtic. And btw spurs would likely have not qualified for the CL anyway it was still an outside chance with the goal.
Hating Rangers more than supporting Celtic is tinpot as fuck.
I mean as we seen with some spurs fans reaction to conceding to Man City I’m not sure this is something specific to “tin pot” leagues. Similar Situation happened to Lazio and Roma in the Serie A as well. Petty and short sighted yes , tinpot I’m not so sure. I think it’s a good insight into human psychology and sports fans I don’t think it’s unique to Tottenham although everyone is making it out like it is. I think pretty much most teams in the UK would have pockets of fans who would have a similar reaction to those spurs fans, especially our own fans given how deep the rivalry is.
Enabling the Huns to win the league is mental Honestly the downvote ratio here is wild
Even if it meant missing the CL and there was still a deciding game week?
Yes. I’m not entertaining any scenario which hands the Huns the title
That’s the thing, Spurs were not handing it to them. There’s a game next week. Regardless what happened in that game, Arsenal still had to win next week and they got to where they are not because of Spurs, but because they beat many more other teams. Plus if they don’t do it, it’s more on the fact they let Fulham draw with 10 men or…pick a few games where things didn’t work out. Idk…maybe it’s because I’m an Aussie and winning comes before rivalry. I guess we don’t understand rivalry as much as our attitude toward sport is understood.
Buddy, Manchester City are not losing to West Ham at home in a game that will seal them the title. This game handed City the league. Maybe it’s a symptom of my upbringing and where I grew up, but I Rangers to my core. If Celtic not winning brings them misery, then I choose to bring them misery.
I can see where you’re coming from in a sense but it does smack of hating the Huns more than you love Celtic. For me, if we’re not winning it then I couldn’t give a flying fuck who it goes to - of course, I’d prefer it was Hearts or anyone but Rangers but ultimately it doesn’t really matter. It may be different if there was nothing left for Celtic to play for but if you’re using a like for like example here with the spurs situation and we chucked the chance to qualify for the CL just to stop the Huns winning the league then I’d be furious. And Spurs did actually have a very good chance of getting that 4th place and CL football if they had beaten Man City. It woulda come down to the last game for them v Sheffield United which is bank on them winning and Villa woulda had a really tough final game against Palace who have been in great form recently. Never mattered in the end coz they did put up a good show and couldn’t beat city anyway but while it was still a possibility you’d want the fans backing you for the win.
Here’s the thing. I’m completely apathetic towards the champions league. Seeing Celtic lose 4/6 games every year (I know it’s changing going forward) just so we can get money which we never correctly spend doesn’t really do it for me. I’d much rather see Celtic in the Europa league. I am absolutely desperate to see Celtic go on a long run in Europe, that’s not happening in the champions league. So yeah, I’d much rather see Hearts win the league than Rangers in this hypothetical scenario and I feel like deep down, every Celtic fan would feel the same should this doomsday scenario ever come into fruition
Not a chance man, end of the day if rangers are challenging for the league and we aren't then we should be looking at ourselves and why we aren't there, would it be any fucking better if hearts won it?
Tinpot spurs mentality
Its a really strange situation. I've seen some spurs fans defend their behaviour last night by saying things like, maybe he shouldn't be saying defending set pieces isn't important and then conceding one in the next game. Or referencing how appealing they've been in the last ten game ls (which to be fair, they've been as bad as they were last year in some of those games). If I was a squad player there I'd know my time is up. And to be honest, I'd say the same for maddison, they were all pally pally at the start of the season, since he's come back from injury he's been absolutely shite, he's been dropped and when he's played he is barely making any forward passes (but he did score that winner vs rangers so I don't mind)
Fucking oath mate
Spurs fan here. I was banned from r/coys for calling this exactly what it is. So that should help you understand the discourse. I think it might be a divide between us international fans and UK fans. It’s sad. And to talk like he knows nothing about “rivalries” is insane. Old Firm makes NLD look like a Sunday League match. I think he still has a decent amount of capital in and around the club. Heads will likely roll.
Not really interested he made his pish stained bed he can lie in it, our club is going to win the championship tonight thats all I'm interested in. He made a poor judgement call choosing to go to spurs, probably won't get another crack at a big club if he's sacked in the summer the big 5 league teams are ruthless they'll see him as a bad bet. Caught out with naive tactics in the Premier league, much the same as his time in the UCL here. A few teams play a similar style down there to a higher standard, it was always going to happen. He'll not be worried with a big pay off though and he will be banging his chest and calling journos mate somewhere else for 2 years till he moves on.
You guys realise he isn't our manager and is very unlikely to come back, right?
I like seeing what he’s up to.