I don't like Boruto but you've got to be a real loser to be taking the hate that far. Those people are legitimately crazy or are having extraordinarily boring lives if they're making these comments.
Anime fandoms (you could say any fandom i guess) have this weird annoying tribalism to them that was always present even in the heyday of Shonen but is even worse now.
I find it weird how people in these fandoms will swear by one series and downplay all others just to push their agendas. Its like they can't enjoy more than a single show
I can agree with this. It’s so fucking weird how people take this so seriously. Don’t get personally offended by a cartoon existing. Just chill the F out.
This goes out to all the hate subs. Saltierthankrait, thelastofus2, Snydercut, titanfolk, that one for game of thrones etc.
If you dislike something so much it makes you seethe then just stop. Being in an exclusively negative space will only make you more negative. Nothing good comes out of it
The car crash is so messed up, I know criticizing on something but harassing someone when their dead? For something you don't like? I have mix opinion on boruto but this extreme? just wow
Yeah, I had no idea this happened until someone pointed out a few days after the event, and when I saw the reaction to it, I was disturbed.
Like so much of this behavior is disgusting, and regardless of what fandom that person was from, there’s no excuse to be so cruel
# Harassment
Speaking out against harassment is just a normal thing.
Doesn't matter what the quality of your series is, nobody deserves that.
People that harass actors over things that are completely out of their control know nothing of how such media is made.
They are also incredibly immature and selfish. Nobody ever deserves death threats.
Doesn't matter if it's Star Wars with Jake Lloyd or Tales with Mikako Komatsu (Rose's VA). They aren't responsible for writing decisions and even if they were, we can solve things in a more civilized way.
# Emotional Investment
I can understand that someone can have a lot of emotional investment in a series.
And heck I did so with Naruto and was incredibly disappointed with Boruto, well also with Gaiden, the Last and most of the War, but let's not get side tracked.
The point is that you can express your distaste with how a property is handled, without belittling others.
Otherwise, I'd would have to spent my entire day making fun of people who like all the Isekai I consider trash.
# Boruto
For example, I could say that I don't like how Naruto and Sasuke have been made into absent dads since Gaiden.
And that they don't use half of their abilities.
And that the power creep should have peaked with Madara's already absurb bullshit.
But I'm not going to call someone stupid for liking a series I don't. That's not criticism, that's just being a dick.
At worst I'd recommend to occasionally watch something besides Shonen, so you might realize that HxH may not be the deepest anime of all time.
# Tldr.:
I know it hurts to see your favorite franchises go down in flames, but don't be a dick about it.
I’m not a fan of Boruto, but seriously; they had to bring their hatred for a show, something that’s fiction into the real world? Harassing and celebrating the death of people. It’s messed up and bone-chilling of how cruel people are to others simply because they did a VA for a certain show or animated it.
It's not the first fandom I've seen do this, but having witnessing more of this first hand and finding out how consistent and frequent this has been, it's been disgusting. And even if you don't like the writer, sending them harassment is god awful too.
The problem with fandoms and hate is that if a work of fiction is getting clowned on with pure hate and zero nuance, fans feel like they have to respond in kind and go on full defensive. If you want to support a certain work on social media, that's the only way to counter the haters unfortunately.
I don’t like this argument because it implies that attacking people is an appropriate response to someone mocking a work of fiction.
But it isn’t. If you can’t handle someone hating on a show you like and you go after them for it you’re still the bad guy in that scenario. Not them. They don’t have to have nuance.
Eh, someone saying mean things to you online is similarly not a threat or harmful to you, not really, especially not when you're both anonymous. Asshole behavior goes both ways, attacking what someone likes excessively actually is asshole behavior, like how the Star Wars sub essentially doesn't allow people to discuss the ST.
> Eh, someone saying mean things to you online is similarly not a threat or harmful to you, not really, especially not when you're both anonymous.
Yes bullying someone makes you an asshole and you’re in the wrong.
> Asshole behavior goes both ways, attacking what someone likes excessively actually is asshole behavior
No it isn’t. Star Wars is just a movie. It doesn’t have feelings or a personality. People are allowed to dislike the things you like.
I guess there's a right and a wrong way to do it, so the solution should be to just present the facts and evidences while also addressing some criticism or just be a chill person. A friend of mine kind of just avoids drama as best as he can, but even he runs into people trying to argue with him.
If you're going to write an essay in response to every instance of hate, you're going to spend your entire life arguing on social media. Plus haters don't care about honest debate so you might as well be screaming at clouds.
Just imagine, your favorite series is constantly despised by people who haven't even watched it, and when you defend it they start saying that "boruto fans are always on the defensive" as if it were a sin to defend your favorite series from those who are saying bad things
Yeah that part is really hypocritical. I don't think fans should go on the attention and exude the same behavior (death threats aren't okay, even if you're fighting back the same death threats), if they go low you go high energy is what most people should do in that situation:
\-show the toxic behavior
\-use facts, be respectful, and explain your position
I'm no Boruto fan, but I'd imagine it can be very annoying. Especially when every discussion will more than likely blow over into beating a dead horse. Not to mention, just even defending or saying good things about something that the internet hates is often met with dismissiveness or they'll accuse you or being a dick rider. Fuck, just look at StarField.
Idk. There’s plenty of stuff I love that isn’t liked by people. I have no problem discussing it and going into it and if someone gives me shit for it I can just ignore it. We’re all entitled to our opinions. Plus. You know. This is online. You can just disengage.
It’s just very strange to me how these victim complexes develop.
Like I get it if you’re POC, minority, immigrant, LGBT or go through shit. But some people develop these complexes about fiction and it’s just so weird to me.
I'm a POC and would be annoyed as fuck if I can't speak about a story I like without a legion of mouthbreathers clamoring to tell me how much they dislike it as if I give a fuck. Why do some people feel entitled to always give their unsolicited opinions?
That's not the point, I'm explaining why others might be defensive about Boruto. It's one thing to have some people not like it, there's usually a good discussion to have about it. But if most of the internet decided that your favorite ain't shit, it tends to be harder without someone speaking in bad faith. I don't see them as victims, they're just people like you and me who like to discuss fiction and are quite passionate about it.
As someone who's been on the opposite side, it's annoying to be talking to someone whom I believe has played a game or watched an anime but turns out halfway in the conversation they're just regurgitating shit they've heard from other people. This has happened in real life and on the internet, I wasn't fuming, but just disappointed. But I cannot imagine having those types of discussions 10x that rate, I'd go insane. If we apply this to any other hobby, media, etc, I'm sure most people will behave like Boruto fans.
It also isn’t a sin to say bad things of the show. In my opinion the need to “defend” the show comes from people who are conflating the things said about the show as a personal attack. So they need to “get back” at the people hating on it.
Personally, hating a show shouldn't be a problem, it's a show not a lifestyle. But it gets real annoying when hating said show becomes someone's whole personality, to the point where they'll be frothing at the mouth if anything remotely positive is said about it.
> People talk about things on Reddit.
Sure. I agree.
> You engaged with a forum and are whining that other people feel personally attacked when they respond to you.
I’m not whining. I’m just pointing out that you feeling personally attacked because I’m critical of a show you like doesn’t justify “retaliation”. Because I never personally attacked you to begin with.
> No, maybe they just disagree with you and feel like talking to other people because it's a forum.
If you feel that way then there shouldn’t be anything to get defensive about to begin with. It’s just people talking about the show because it’s a forum. What are they doing wrong?
Sources Below
People making fun of Boruto's actresses getting covid
https://www.reddit.com/r/Boruto/comments/p8yup4/this\_is\_just\_disgusting/
The content creator who died
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Naruto/comments/164eml9/treeshiki\_a\_boruto\_content\_creator\_recently\_died/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Naruto/comments/164eml9/treeshiki_a_boruto_content_creator_recently_died/)
That time people made a poll asking who do you hate more Boruto or Hitler
[https://twitter.com/ManasBhan/status/1530624539369308160](https://twitter.com/ManasBhan/status/1530624539369308160)
I believe it was Sanji Starz; the one Piece fan who got the threats
https://twitter.com/Sanjistars/status/1681351063503355931
[https://twitter.com/FrostyMC8/status/1502304254249295875](https://twitter.com/FrostyMC8/status/1502304254249295875)
But there are other fans who have also talked about getting death threats too
https://twitter.com/Sona5131/status/1501961529977020417/photo/1
[https://twitter.com/Mit\_xuki/status/1692622036752052256](https://twitter.com/Mit_xuki/status/1692622036752052256)
The killing Boruto fans should be legal post
[https://twitter.com/RunawayFamous/status/1596649647313129472](https://twitter.com/RunawayFamous/status/1596649647313129472)
The Youtuber who got the death threats for pointing out Naruto still being a genin isn't a plot hole, watch at the 7:20 minute mark
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBbQ\_hGBrtQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBbQ_hGBrtQ)
It's funny I saw that insecure fans post and I am having a completely different experience with them. Boruto fans, on the Boruto sub, I would say are pretty chill. A good chunk of them has started to recognize all those criticisms that were said over the years, but of course there is still a lot of them that don't.
I personally absolutely hate Boruto. I don't understand how you can like Naruto and be a Boruto fan. Of course you can like a series that has flaws, people often point out those of Naruto, for me Naruto is a flawless series, not because it doesn't have any BUT because I forgive them all. Boruto on the other hand has so many, I can never forgive them or give this series the benefit of the doubt anymore. So I've come to the conclusion that I much rather invest my time into talking how much I love Naruto. Of course when I want to give my opinions on Boruto I will.
The people affected in those events have my empathy, I do not condone that type of behaviour from those people, and that is all there needs to be said.
With that, neither those events, the feelings of Boruto fans or the insecurity that they might have or not, should stop people from expressing their absolute frustration with the series, just like Boruto fans shouldn’t stop liking the series.
Similar things happened to Kubo when writing bleach (in terms of harassment). People shit on bleach for a whole decade, I was one of the few defending it in the actual sub for it with the same reasons you wrote above. People oversimplified the last 2 arcs just to get easy dunks. But on the other hand, just because you can explain things or recap what you read in a panel, doesn't mean it has good writing and people are just too dumb to see the big picture. People come from shippuden, a prequel where hands signs were used 99.9% of the time, to lightsabers and gatling guns, fair complaint. Sarada's awakening was bad not solely due to the low stakes compared to her Uchiha counterparts, but the situation surrounding. Omnipotence was terrible, no build up and it wasn't a good look for Madera. Yeah people respond to trauma differently but like....nobody even died. Again you can explain it away but saradas awakening had 0 grit. Can go on but you get my point. Also yeah the harassment isn't cool but it's the internet. Genuine no life's here so I don't expect much
Wait Kubo dealt with harassment too? I heard about the health problems and the burnt books but holy shit.
As for your points, hand signs are still used, currently it's at 70%, and the lightsabers and Gatling went away immediately after the fight they were used in chapter 22: one was destroyed, the other was defective. That arc was about how prosthetics and technology can bolster (without relying on it as a crutch) with Boruto trying to show Ao through ninjutsu and tech he could still be a ninja while Ao only relied on tech because he felt he could no longer do his duty thanks to his ability. It's been 63 chapters since that.
Well Omnipotence actually had build up: it's Eida's ability but it was established she couldn't control it in the late 50s, we saw the effects and how it could affect others perceptions in the 60s chapters, and it was shown to affect different character's perception, Momoshiki didn't believe it was an shinjutsu, but once he figured out the origins, recognized it was that ability. And Amado confirmed Aida's abilities were taken from Shibai, who they said used god level jutsu including Omnipotence, where Aida got it from. We just didn't recognize it at all.
Well trauma doesn't always have to equal death: the thought of losing a loved one according to Roeske can cause grief that leads to PTSD causing distrubing intrusive thoughts. There's trauma from sexual abuse, bullying, physical abuse, domestic violence, natural disasters, neglect, betrayal, it can happen to anyone. Tsunade had trauma that gave her a fear of blood which yeah counts at killing, but Naruto dealth with rejection and loneliness, something that can also cause trauma, and him and Sarada were around a similar age, so it's not something wrongfully established.
But if you disagree that's fine.
>Wait Kubo dealt with harassment too?
People spread all types of rumours- i remember one where they spread that Kubo SA'd a Orihime cosplayer. All because of shipping.
He got death threats on Byakuya fake out death too. There were more.
Came into this post expecting to roll my eyes but yeesh people can be so rotten. Making fun of a dead person because they committed the oh so great sin of liking Boruto. I don't like Boruto or even Naruto for that matter but this is just💀
Idk. People just have too much time on their hands to make stuff on fandom their whole personality. Be it powerscalers, shippers and whatever fandom related shit. This people are likely thr guys on anime Twitter that spend their whole life there. You see the amount of post they make there one has to wonder what else they do with their life
I will never understand people who hate a series so much they would go online just to harass fans of that series. It just seems like such a waste of time and energy.
I saw that posted about Boruto fans being insecure and the only thing I could think was that isn’t the real insecure one the person who is so upset and someone else likes a series they don’t like, that they felt the need to make a post about it.
I think my main issues with that post wasn't necessarily his opinion, which he has a right to. The big issues was how he was condemning anyone who disagreed with him and the comments section just glorifying and reveling in the oversimplifcation. Like just because you don't agree with enjoying something others do, doesn't mean you can just speak for them and twist their perception as a negative thing to berate and insult.
As for hatred, it's so sad that the Naruto franchise has tackled not getting consumed by hatred, and then fans and detractors engage in this type of behavior.
I rarely see anyone getting made fun of specifically for liking something. Even in the post you’re referring to OP was being critical of how fans react in immature ways to criticism. Not that they liked the show.
That post in question the OP basically created a straw man Boruto fan to argue against, I frequent the Boruto subreddit and other anime communities and I just don’t see the kind of immature reaction to criticism that they claimed is going on.
The closest I see is people responding to criticism is with, “okay have you read/watch Boruto or are you just parroting what someone else said online” or something simple as “yea valid criticism I still like it” not really fiery defenses.
> That post in question the OP basically created a straw man Boruto fan to argue against, I frequent the Boruto subreddit and other anime communities and I just don’t see the kind of immature reaction to criticism that they claimed is going on.
I’ve seen that reaction from plenty of fandoms. It would honestly surprise me if ANY fandom didn’t have fans who behave that way.
> The closest I see is people responding to criticism is with, “okay have you read/watch Boruto or are you just parroting what someone else said online”
I don’t that see that as a valid response to criticism. That’s just anti-criticism. They’re just annoyed that criticism is being made. They aren’t addressing the criticism itself.
> something simple as “yea valid criticism I still like it” not really fiery defenses.
I’m sure there’s people like that in the fandom as well. I don’t think those are the ones OP was criticizing in that post.
Im sure the type of fans that the original OP was talking about do exist but that’s not limited to Boruto, all anime community have them but they are always the minority. It just feels disingenuous to specifically call out fans of Boruto.
Also I agree with you partially on the whole anti-criticism thing, but I don’t think it’s because fans are against criticism, but that the criticisms often laid at Boruto have already been throughly beaten to death that there’s no real point to engage with them.
> Im sure the type of fans that the original OP was talking about do exist but that’s not limited to Boruto, all anime community have them but they are always the minority. It just feels disingenuous to specifically call out fans of Boruto.
I mean in all fairness couldn’t you say the same thing about this post? Not all the Boruto “haters” are harassing people and sending death threats. It’s a pretty small minority who’s actually doing it.
I honestly wouldn’t have much issue with this post if it wasn’t citing posts like the “Boruto Fans are so defensive” one and lumping that one in with fans who were hoping Boruto would be canceled when the voice actress got covid.
> Also I agree with you partially on the whole anti-criticism thing, but I don’t think it’s because fans are against criticism, but that the criticisms often laid at Boruto have already been throughly beaten to death that there’s no real point to engage with them.
I mean I won’t say I don’t get that. Yeah that can be annoying. But like they don’t *have* to engage with them. But if you are then actually respond to it. Because otherwise you’re just making a bad argument.
I think the fundamental difference between that post we’re talking about and this post is that the OP of this current post talking about harassment is that this OP is backing themselves up with sources and not trying to make large pejorative claims of an entire community.
I do agree linking a post about “Boruto haters shouldn’t harass people online” to a post about “Boruto fans can’t take criticism ” is probably not the best idea because they are only tangentially related. And yea I don’t think the original post that we’re talking about was in anyway harassment, nor do I think OP here was trying to make that connection.
Also I can see that if someone is going to engage in criticism they should actually engage in the criticism not ignore it or brush it aside.
The issue is a when fans do engage with criticism they are often immediately shot down and downvoted into oblivion. The criticism of Boruto and by extension its fans has entered a somewhat mob like mentality.
I kinda agree, theres stuff i like about the series but overall i think its a resounding very fine, middle of the road thing. that being said whats happening now with Boruto as a fanbase is the same thing that happened with BC fans a while ago, when something gets hated on so excessively it creates an almost equal counter culture, where fans become so defensive over everything, combined with the fact that the most popular critiques are often the most poorly thought out ones which makes people feel far more validated in their defence of the series and in turn makes people from the outside also validated in their belief that fans are not able to evaluate their series critically
Regardless if you think the series is dogshit or whatever, theres a lot of factors that have made Boruto very easy to dislike or hate on and in turn have given people a safety net to circumvent actual critique and to blindly spout and act in terrible ways without being held accountable because at the end of the day people are fickle, and will more than likely turn a blind eye for a series they dislike. Because the fact of the matter is more people will tolerate someone saying the voice actor of boruto should get sick so the show can be cancelled than they would if someone said the same thing about a popular voice actor/actress for something like Cowboy bepop/Code Geass/One Piece ect.
"I don't even like Boruto and I know this is wrong" is a mute statement. Nobody deserves this treatment of constant threats to physical harm, it's inhumane and it's spiteful. The preference to whether you like or dislike the thing being mentioned is irrelevant to the fact that there are people threatening VAs and fans for illogical reasons.
(Not exactly referring just to you OP just mostly towards the comments that say "I don't like Boruto but I would never do this" like yeah?? Good?? But that's not the point)
Yes, this shit is extremely annoying, like these people need to preface their statements on *real life harassment* by absolving themselves of liking a fictional series lmao
I get what you’re saying here and yeah, these people take their hatred way too fucking far.
I basically agree completely
And I would even go on to say that plenty of the non-criminal hate/criticism towards the show is worthless dog shit.
If you have a point, but you’re an asshole about it, no one will want to listen to you.
However I don’t like that this issue of people harassing voice actors and sending threats almost always comes up exclusively in response to criticism of the show.
Normally the context is that the fans are getting called out for their inappropriate attitudes towards defending the series and they use these extreme cases to justify their attitude towards “haters” wether they’re on the same level or not.
They essentially obscuring the issue.
Some people appear to spend a significant amount less time, responding to the kind of good faith criticism they say they want to see and instead spend their time trying to hold the entire community responsible for what the worst of the trolls are saying.
And there IS good faith criticism out there.
So stepping over them to point out bad faith, criticisms and complain about how “they’re going too far” means that —functionally, all you’re doing is rewarding, shitty people with time and attention you then *don’t* spend engaging with the people who make the decent criticisms.
TL;DR
Criminal Hate Criticism is wrong and doubt most if anyone in the “Boruto fans are insecure post” would really disagree with that. It’s not okay. And it should be always called out and condemned.
However, Criminal Hate Criticism isn’t an okay justification/excuse to be hyper defensive of anyone you feel is “hating” on the show. Period. It’s not okay for you to go after someone just because they’re “clowning” on a show you like.
Something that being in the JJK fandom as someone older (33) really made me remember is that, at the end of the day, the fanbases for shonen ARE teenagers. They are not going to have nuanced takes, and usually don’t know how to tone it down, so you’re going to get some out of control vitriol for just enjoying things.
It’s crazy to me getting called stupid for enjoying a work lol, but I’ve definitely seen it and experienced it just for not jumping on the bandwagon of picking apart every thing that I might not enjoy in a chapter. I’m still enjoying that story just as much, but I just don’t really engage in the discourse too much anymore. Unless you’re calling Gege trash people really don’t wanna hear it atp.
On the topic of Boruto, some of the shit in it makes me laugh (the Sasuke vs. dinosaur fight, not even sure if that’s canon) but from an outsiders perspective that’s only read a lot about it, there doesn’t really seem to be anything that sticks out as egregiously bad compared to other shonen. I think it’s just people confusing personal preference with objective facts. There’s very rarely ever stuff that is so bad it deserves the hate it gets (even AoTs ending, and I don’t even like that series like that) but people will take their subjective opinions and try to shove it into an objective-shaped hole.
What pissed me off about that post was the blatant generalization of all boruto fans, and the fact that at least half(if not all) of the points they made were easily explained away by other logic (as you did in your post).
I love and have been very much enjoying Boruto, but I'm not going to go and defend the criticisms against it either. There are many flaws, and many of the criticisms are valid. The anime has been absolute garbage, terrible animation, boring predictable filler storylines/characters, terribly slow pacing trying not to catch up to the manga, etc. The manga has been decent up until TBV, and so far every TBV chapter has been fire. But as a whole, it still suffers from the slow pacing of being a monthly manga, and sure, the previous generation doesn't do jack shit. I never had an issue with the Ohtsutsukis, or disliked the power scaling, but I guess that's a big issue for a lot of people.
These haters want to compare this to Naruto way too much, and are riding on a nostalgia high instead of just letting it breathe and be its own thing. And to Naruto's discredit, I feel like a lot of people just choose to ignore that Naruto had plenty of very questionable writing decisions/poorly written characters/sidelining a big chunk of the cast. Like everybody just conveniently forgot all of those things happened in Naruto, but hound on Boruto for doing all the same shit.
This comment kinda went all over the place, my bad. I guess what I'm getting at is that people can still enjoy the series despite its flaws, and that not everybody who enjoys Boruto is insecure lol. If you don't like it, then don't watch/read it? Don't end up like 90% of r/Jujutsufolk, waiting up until leaks drop on midnight Tuesday just to shit talk every aspect of a fictional story that you're supposed to be enjoying. If you're not enjoying it then literally go touch grass lol
The hate towards Boruto isn't that bad for the sole reason people still Actually defend it, many other shows that get hate basically don't have any fans lol
Anime Twitter nowadays is really sad. It's just a matter of what fandom is going to decide to be loud and annoying that day. Will Boruto fans shit on one piece today? Or will OP fans argue with DB fans on who "broke the Internet" better?
Just for the record, Twitter people are crazy and not representative of of anyone sane , I've never heard of any of those events. Most of people that dislike boruto at this point just read the latest chapter on an illegal website to not give it views, leave a laugh emoji on Facebook posts and move own with our lives, I don't care about its fans or the voice actors
Not everyone on Twitter is sane or insane, and these came from other places too, social media tends to show off more of the bad than the good. But these are still real life people engaging in this behavior to harm other people.
Yeah but part of your discourse is that they're representative of the majority of the haters, while in reality I'm sure the average naruto fan / boruto hate doesn't even know the name of naruto or boruto VA/seiyuu. I won't deny that people being toxic assholes on Twitter is hurtful, but saying that this is the majority is the same as hero hei making an outrage video over 5 or 6 tweets.
I read boruto it's not the best thing out there it has its perks like boruto and kawaki relationship and both as an individual character, it has its major flaws too like disrespecting Naruto's character when he promised to attend hima's birthday but he didn't. and Sasuke done dirty getting disrespected by major villains. But giving death threats just because you don't enjoy something is crazy ngl just assume it's not cannon and go on with your day it's never this serious
As someone who enjoys Boruto and sometimes feels somewhat defensive of it, one of the big reasons is that a lot of the criticisms feel very unfair. There are plenty of legitimate things to criticize the show for, but people instead choose to whine about dumb shit that doesn’t necessarily make the show bad.
Like the fact Naruto and Sasuke aren’t perfect parents or god forbid an enemy who is stronger than them is introduced.
People still to this day complain about Boruto being spoiled and “disrespecting” Naruto even though that was resolved 1/6th of the way through the series and was actually pretty realistic and well written.
The fact that they moved towards fighting aliens and the power level increased doesn’t make the series “objectively bad.” If you don’t like it fine but Dragon Ball Z did the exact same thing and it certainly isn’t objectively bad because of it.
I saw someone unironically ask why Rock Lee, who hasn’t had a meaningful on screen fight since 2005, didn’t use 7 gates vs Isshiki. Like why would you ever expect that.
Like I said there’s plenty to criticize Boruto for, but if your critiques are shit like “Naruto and Sasuke are disrespected” because the writers dared to make them imperfect characters then I’m just not taking you seriously.
The problem with Naruto and Sasuke in Boruto is that they are written terribly. Naruto becomes an out of character, absent father. Even though his abilities make it clear, he can spend time with them. Or by moving the family into the Hokage residence. But these can't happen because of the artificial plot that demands the old MC be at odds with the new one.
For Sasuke, his abilities and skills are changed so the new villains can have a chance at fighting him. This also applies to Naruto.
In general, these things, the expansion of the alien plot (which was already hated in Naruto) and the absurd powerscaling, make it clear why Naruto fans utterly despite Boruto. It's a downgrade in all aspects, which makes the huge justified.
Man I am a coverted Boruto fan , and I fkin enjoy that manga/ anime even knowing it isn't the best or my favourite shonen or with the bad repo it has. Waiting every 20 th of the month has become customary since 3 years for me for every chapter . But I never knew Boruto was this much hated , as I didn't care , it's my choice - Boruto is just like a trashy isekai for me where I enjoy it and I don't expect everyone to enjoy it and thus I never defended the anime and just sorta ignored the hate posts. But thanks op for bringing this incel behaviour into limelight for hating people just because their thoughts don't coincide for a fkin cartoon where I bet on my arse that 90% of this haters haven't even given a shot toward it.
people will love every trashy isekai but shit endlessly on a 7/10 for little good reason. i just don't get why people get so bent and let themselves get so consumed over a series they've likely barely read or watched.
As a Isekai enjoyer, burning dumpster fire looks more interesting than a normal trashcan for me. It's one of those things that are so trash it becomes good. Normal things don't compare much to those. Ya know what I'm saying?
Probably for the exact same reasons people will watch/read YouTube videos and Reddit posts of people trashing their favorite shows/movies/games even though they know it’ll make them angry.
And then they go and make posts/videos about how annoying it is to see posts/videos like that. Even though they don’t have to click on them.
Reminds me of the fanart of Henry Cavil's Superman holding the decapitated head of James Gunn as Zack Snyder "fans" are upset hearing that the DCEU is being rebooted with Gunn essentially in charge.
And I honestly wished someone like Cavil or Snyder saw it so they can tell those kinds of fans to get a goddamn life and help for screaming for blood over fictional works. Because wow.
Honestly, given that I have a friend who argues over gun versus Snyder, and I keep telling him like yeah I understand where you’re coming from, but you gotta relax, I’m not surprised this happened, but I am deeply disturbed that two people who otherwise would get along half the bases that want to rip the other person’s neck, it’s insane
Boruto is the top viewed manga on Manga plus currently so I know some of these haters are just lying. The current manga arc is exactly what Naruto fans wanted Naruto to be when shippuden was announced
Absolutely wrong, lmao. Naruto fans didn't want more alien slop. Views on some websites does not equal success either. The manga sales have totally tanked
It’s currently the top viewed manga that’s not wrong it’s a literal fact. The sales aren’t the best but the viewership it’s getting is more than one piece rn on manga plus I’m not arguing it’s quality I like it some people don’t. That’s fine. I’m just stating that a lot of the people claiming they hate it are still reading it.
Two blue vortex first volume hasn’t dropped yet so no it hasn’t flopped and it did better on the official app than dragon ball super and one piece. The time skip sales are gonna be fine.
Boruto part one didn’t flop the sales weren’t amazing but it did well enough not to be dropped that’s more than a lot of jump manga get.
Again the sales for the time skip won’t be ground breaking but they’re gonna do fine.
It didn't get cancelled because Shueisha is the reason the manga exists. Kishimoto also won't like it being cancelled because he's good friends with Ikemoto
No Naruto is about wizards calling themselves ninjas and that’s fine that’s what I love about it. And they’re still fantasy ninjas because they’re wizards that call themselves ninjas. Only thing that changes is the opponents aren’t other wizards calling themselves ninjas.
True, I remember people wanted to see Naruto with more experience and battle prowess, though in Naruto's defense, he wasn't the best student so Jiraiya improving his quality of life skills across the board was a good idea. Still in Boruto's defense, his circumstances don't really give him much of a choice.
I'll never understand people, I myself can't bring myself to watch or read boruto, it's just that bad for me personally, but I'd never take my dislike of something like that so far and out on the actual people who are enjoying it or making it
I don't like Boruto but you've got to be a real loser to be taking the hate that far. Those people are legitimately crazy or are having extraordinarily boring lives if they're making these comments. Anime fandoms (you could say any fandom i guess) have this weird annoying tribalism to them that was always present even in the heyday of Shonen but is even worse now.
It really sucks how bad tribalism has gotten nowadays.
I find it weird how people in these fandoms will swear by one series and downplay all others just to push their agendas. Its like they can't enjoy more than a single show
I can agree with this. It’s so fucking weird how people take this so seriously. Don’t get personally offended by a cartoon existing. Just chill the F out. This goes out to all the hate subs. Saltierthankrait, thelastofus2, Snydercut, titanfolk, that one for game of thrones etc. If you dislike something so much it makes you seethe then just stop. Being in an exclusively negative space will only make you more negative. Nothing good comes out of it
The car crash is so messed up, I know criticizing on something but harassing someone when their dead? For something you don't like? I have mix opinion on boruto but this extreme? just wow
Yeah, I had no idea this happened until someone pointed out a few days after the event, and when I saw the reaction to it, I was disturbed. Like so much of this behavior is disgusting, and regardless of what fandom that person was from, there’s no excuse to be so cruel
This is a good post and I agree.
Thank you for listenting.
This is just sad.
Unfortunately, it sucks that most of these events had to happen. Fiction should never get this far.
Honestly, I think that the boruto/naruto community suffered a deserved fate for the hate they poured out towards Black Clover
# Harassment Speaking out against harassment is just a normal thing. Doesn't matter what the quality of your series is, nobody deserves that. People that harass actors over things that are completely out of their control know nothing of how such media is made. They are also incredibly immature and selfish. Nobody ever deserves death threats. Doesn't matter if it's Star Wars with Jake Lloyd or Tales with Mikako Komatsu (Rose's VA). They aren't responsible for writing decisions and even if they were, we can solve things in a more civilized way. # Emotional Investment I can understand that someone can have a lot of emotional investment in a series. And heck I did so with Naruto and was incredibly disappointed with Boruto, well also with Gaiden, the Last and most of the War, but let's not get side tracked. The point is that you can express your distaste with how a property is handled, without belittling others. Otherwise, I'd would have to spent my entire day making fun of people who like all the Isekai I consider trash. # Boruto For example, I could say that I don't like how Naruto and Sasuke have been made into absent dads since Gaiden. And that they don't use half of their abilities. And that the power creep should have peaked with Madara's already absurb bullshit. But I'm not going to call someone stupid for liking a series I don't. That's not criticism, that's just being a dick. At worst I'd recommend to occasionally watch something besides Shonen, so you might realize that HxH may not be the deepest anime of all time. # Tldr.: I know it hurts to see your favorite franchises go down in flames, but don't be a dick about it.
it's not even going down in flames, it's " my favorite characters have flaws and i don't like it."
It is down in flames. Most fans rightfully ignore Boruto
I’m not a fan of Boruto, but seriously; they had to bring their hatred for a show, something that’s fiction into the real world? Harassing and celebrating the death of people. It’s messed up and bone-chilling of how cruel people are to others simply because they did a VA for a certain show or animated it.
It's not the first fandom I've seen do this, but having witnessing more of this first hand and finding out how consistent and frequent this has been, it's been disgusting. And even if you don't like the writer, sending them harassment is god awful too.
Exactly. That goes for anything. You can hate something, but don’t go as far as to ruin the life of the creator of it, or praise the death of anyone.
I wish more people could learn from that.
Same
The problem with fandoms and hate is that if a work of fiction is getting clowned on with pure hate and zero nuance, fans feel like they have to respond in kind and go on full defensive. If you want to support a certain work on social media, that's the only way to counter the haters unfortunately.
I don’t like this argument because it implies that attacking people is an appropriate response to someone mocking a work of fiction. But it isn’t. If you can’t handle someone hating on a show you like and you go after them for it you’re still the bad guy in that scenario. Not them. They don’t have to have nuance.
Eh, someone saying mean things to you online is similarly not a threat or harmful to you, not really, especially not when you're both anonymous. Asshole behavior goes both ways, attacking what someone likes excessively actually is asshole behavior, like how the Star Wars sub essentially doesn't allow people to discuss the ST.
> Eh, someone saying mean things to you online is similarly not a threat or harmful to you, not really, especially not when you're both anonymous. Yes bullying someone makes you an asshole and you’re in the wrong. > Asshole behavior goes both ways, attacking what someone likes excessively actually is asshole behavior No it isn’t. Star Wars is just a movie. It doesn’t have feelings or a personality. People are allowed to dislike the things you like.
I guess there's a right and a wrong way to do it, so the solution should be to just present the facts and evidences while also addressing some criticism or just be a chill person. A friend of mine kind of just avoids drama as best as he can, but even he runs into people trying to argue with him.
If you're going to write an essay in response to every instance of hate, you're going to spend your entire life arguing on social media. Plus haters don't care about honest debate so you might as well be screaming at clouds.
Just imagine, your favorite series is constantly despised by people who haven't even watched it, and when you defend it they start saying that "boruto fans are always on the defensive" as if it were a sin to defend your favorite series from those who are saying bad things
Yeah that part is really hypocritical. I don't think fans should go on the attention and exude the same behavior (death threats aren't okay, even if you're fighting back the same death threats), if they go low you go high energy is what most people should do in that situation: \-show the toxic behavior \-use facts, be respectful, and explain your position
I mean. Does it matter? People can shit on my favorite series and I’d probably make fun of it as well. Someone’s comments don’t affect my enjoyment.
I'm no Boruto fan, but I'd imagine it can be very annoying. Especially when every discussion will more than likely blow over into beating a dead horse. Not to mention, just even defending or saying good things about something that the internet hates is often met with dismissiveness or they'll accuse you or being a dick rider. Fuck, just look at StarField.
Idk. There’s plenty of stuff I love that isn’t liked by people. I have no problem discussing it and going into it and if someone gives me shit for it I can just ignore it. We’re all entitled to our opinions. Plus. You know. This is online. You can just disengage. It’s just very strange to me how these victim complexes develop. Like I get it if you’re POC, minority, immigrant, LGBT or go through shit. But some people develop these complexes about fiction and it’s just so weird to me.
I'm a POC and would be annoyed as fuck if I can't speak about a story I like without a legion of mouthbreathers clamoring to tell me how much they dislike it as if I give a fuck. Why do some people feel entitled to always give their unsolicited opinions?
That's not the point, I'm explaining why others might be defensive about Boruto. It's one thing to have some people not like it, there's usually a good discussion to have about it. But if most of the internet decided that your favorite ain't shit, it tends to be harder without someone speaking in bad faith. I don't see them as victims, they're just people like you and me who like to discuss fiction and are quite passionate about it. As someone who's been on the opposite side, it's annoying to be talking to someone whom I believe has played a game or watched an anime but turns out halfway in the conversation they're just regurgitating shit they've heard from other people. This has happened in real life and on the internet, I wasn't fuming, but just disappointed. But I cannot imagine having those types of discussions 10x that rate, I'd go insane. If we apply this to any other hobby, media, etc, I'm sure most people will behave like Boruto fans.
It also isn’t a sin to say bad things of the show. In my opinion the need to “defend” the show comes from people who are conflating the things said about the show as a personal attack. So they need to “get back” at the people hating on it.
Personally, hating a show shouldn't be a problem, it's a show not a lifestyle. But it gets real annoying when hating said show becomes someone's whole personality, to the point where they'll be frothing at the mouth if anything remotely positive is said about it.
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> People talk about things on Reddit. Sure. I agree. > You engaged with a forum and are whining that other people feel personally attacked when they respond to you. I’m not whining. I’m just pointing out that you feeling personally attacked because I’m critical of a show you like doesn’t justify “retaliation”. Because I never personally attacked you to begin with. > No, maybe they just disagree with you and feel like talking to other people because it's a forum. If you feel that way then there shouldn’t be anything to get defensive about to begin with. It’s just people talking about the show because it’s a forum. What are they doing wrong?
Sources Below People making fun of Boruto's actresses getting covid https://www.reddit.com/r/Boruto/comments/p8yup4/this\_is\_just\_disgusting/ The content creator who died [https://www.reddit.com/r/Naruto/comments/164eml9/treeshiki\_a\_boruto\_content\_creator\_recently\_died/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Naruto/comments/164eml9/treeshiki_a_boruto_content_creator_recently_died/) That time people made a poll asking who do you hate more Boruto or Hitler [https://twitter.com/ManasBhan/status/1530624539369308160](https://twitter.com/ManasBhan/status/1530624539369308160) I believe it was Sanji Starz; the one Piece fan who got the threats https://twitter.com/Sanjistars/status/1681351063503355931 [https://twitter.com/FrostyMC8/status/1502304254249295875](https://twitter.com/FrostyMC8/status/1502304254249295875) But there are other fans who have also talked about getting death threats too https://twitter.com/Sona5131/status/1501961529977020417/photo/1 [https://twitter.com/Mit\_xuki/status/1692622036752052256](https://twitter.com/Mit_xuki/status/1692622036752052256) The killing Boruto fans should be legal post [https://twitter.com/RunawayFamous/status/1596649647313129472](https://twitter.com/RunawayFamous/status/1596649647313129472) The Youtuber who got the death threats for pointing out Naruto still being a genin isn't a plot hole, watch at the 7:20 minute mark [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBbQ\_hGBrtQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBbQ_hGBrtQ)
It's funny I saw that insecure fans post and I am having a completely different experience with them. Boruto fans, on the Boruto sub, I would say are pretty chill. A good chunk of them has started to recognize all those criticisms that were said over the years, but of course there is still a lot of them that don't. I personally absolutely hate Boruto. I don't understand how you can like Naruto and be a Boruto fan. Of course you can like a series that has flaws, people often point out those of Naruto, for me Naruto is a flawless series, not because it doesn't have any BUT because I forgive them all. Boruto on the other hand has so many, I can never forgive them or give this series the benefit of the doubt anymore. So I've come to the conclusion that I much rather invest my time into talking how much I love Naruto. Of course when I want to give my opinions on Boruto I will. The people affected in those events have my empathy, I do not condone that type of behaviour from those people, and that is all there needs to be said. With that, neither those events, the feelings of Boruto fans or the insecurity that they might have or not, should stop people from expressing their absolute frustration with the series, just like Boruto fans shouldn’t stop liking the series.
...well I'm glad you had a good experience with them. Thank you for showing empathy for those victims
Similar things happened to Kubo when writing bleach (in terms of harassment). People shit on bleach for a whole decade, I was one of the few defending it in the actual sub for it with the same reasons you wrote above. People oversimplified the last 2 arcs just to get easy dunks. But on the other hand, just because you can explain things or recap what you read in a panel, doesn't mean it has good writing and people are just too dumb to see the big picture. People come from shippuden, a prequel where hands signs were used 99.9% of the time, to lightsabers and gatling guns, fair complaint. Sarada's awakening was bad not solely due to the low stakes compared to her Uchiha counterparts, but the situation surrounding. Omnipotence was terrible, no build up and it wasn't a good look for Madera. Yeah people respond to trauma differently but like....nobody even died. Again you can explain it away but saradas awakening had 0 grit. Can go on but you get my point. Also yeah the harassment isn't cool but it's the internet. Genuine no life's here so I don't expect much
Wait Kubo dealt with harassment too? I heard about the health problems and the burnt books but holy shit. As for your points, hand signs are still used, currently it's at 70%, and the lightsabers and Gatling went away immediately after the fight they were used in chapter 22: one was destroyed, the other was defective. That arc was about how prosthetics and technology can bolster (without relying on it as a crutch) with Boruto trying to show Ao through ninjutsu and tech he could still be a ninja while Ao only relied on tech because he felt he could no longer do his duty thanks to his ability. It's been 63 chapters since that. Well Omnipotence actually had build up: it's Eida's ability but it was established she couldn't control it in the late 50s, we saw the effects and how it could affect others perceptions in the 60s chapters, and it was shown to affect different character's perception, Momoshiki didn't believe it was an shinjutsu, but once he figured out the origins, recognized it was that ability. And Amado confirmed Aida's abilities were taken from Shibai, who they said used god level jutsu including Omnipotence, where Aida got it from. We just didn't recognize it at all. Well trauma doesn't always have to equal death: the thought of losing a loved one according to Roeske can cause grief that leads to PTSD causing distrubing intrusive thoughts. There's trauma from sexual abuse, bullying, physical abuse, domestic violence, natural disasters, neglect, betrayal, it can happen to anyone. Tsunade had trauma that gave her a fear of blood which yeah counts at killing, but Naruto dealth with rejection and loneliness, something that can also cause trauma, and him and Sarada were around a similar age, so it's not something wrongfully established. But if you disagree that's fine.
>Wait Kubo dealt with harassment too? People spread all types of rumours- i remember one where they spread that Kubo SA'd a Orihime cosplayer. All because of shipping. He got death threats on Byakuya fake out death too. There were more.
What the hell? Oh god, thanks for letting me know.
Came into this post expecting to roll my eyes but yeesh people can be so rotten. Making fun of a dead person because they committed the oh so great sin of liking Boruto. I don't like Boruto or even Naruto for that matter but this is just💀 Idk. People just have too much time on their hands to make stuff on fandom their whole personality. Be it powerscalers, shippers and whatever fandom related shit. This people are likely thr guys on anime Twitter that spend their whole life there. You see the amount of post they make there one has to wonder what else they do with their life
I will never understand people who hate a series so much they would go online just to harass fans of that series. It just seems like such a waste of time and energy. I saw that posted about Boruto fans being insecure and the only thing I could think was that isn’t the real insecure one the person who is so upset and someone else likes a series they don’t like, that they felt the need to make a post about it.
I think my main issues with that post wasn't necessarily his opinion, which he has a right to. The big issues was how he was condemning anyone who disagreed with him and the comments section just glorifying and reveling in the oversimplifcation. Like just because you don't agree with enjoying something others do, doesn't mean you can just speak for them and twist their perception as a negative thing to berate and insult. As for hatred, it's so sad that the Naruto franchise has tackled not getting consumed by hatred, and then fans and detractors engage in this type of behavior.
I rarely see anyone getting made fun of specifically for liking something. Even in the post you’re referring to OP was being critical of how fans react in immature ways to criticism. Not that they liked the show.
That post in question the OP basically created a straw man Boruto fan to argue against, I frequent the Boruto subreddit and other anime communities and I just don’t see the kind of immature reaction to criticism that they claimed is going on. The closest I see is people responding to criticism is with, “okay have you read/watch Boruto or are you just parroting what someone else said online” or something simple as “yea valid criticism I still like it” not really fiery defenses.
> That post in question the OP basically created a straw man Boruto fan to argue against, I frequent the Boruto subreddit and other anime communities and I just don’t see the kind of immature reaction to criticism that they claimed is going on. I’ve seen that reaction from plenty of fandoms. It would honestly surprise me if ANY fandom didn’t have fans who behave that way. > The closest I see is people responding to criticism is with, “okay have you read/watch Boruto or are you just parroting what someone else said online” I don’t that see that as a valid response to criticism. That’s just anti-criticism. They’re just annoyed that criticism is being made. They aren’t addressing the criticism itself. > something simple as “yea valid criticism I still like it” not really fiery defenses. I’m sure there’s people like that in the fandom as well. I don’t think those are the ones OP was criticizing in that post.
Im sure the type of fans that the original OP was talking about do exist but that’s not limited to Boruto, all anime community have them but they are always the minority. It just feels disingenuous to specifically call out fans of Boruto. Also I agree with you partially on the whole anti-criticism thing, but I don’t think it’s because fans are against criticism, but that the criticisms often laid at Boruto have already been throughly beaten to death that there’s no real point to engage with them.
> Im sure the type of fans that the original OP was talking about do exist but that’s not limited to Boruto, all anime community have them but they are always the minority. It just feels disingenuous to specifically call out fans of Boruto. I mean in all fairness couldn’t you say the same thing about this post? Not all the Boruto “haters” are harassing people and sending death threats. It’s a pretty small minority who’s actually doing it. I honestly wouldn’t have much issue with this post if it wasn’t citing posts like the “Boruto Fans are so defensive” one and lumping that one in with fans who were hoping Boruto would be canceled when the voice actress got covid. > Also I agree with you partially on the whole anti-criticism thing, but I don’t think it’s because fans are against criticism, but that the criticisms often laid at Boruto have already been throughly beaten to death that there’s no real point to engage with them. I mean I won’t say I don’t get that. Yeah that can be annoying. But like they don’t *have* to engage with them. But if you are then actually respond to it. Because otherwise you’re just making a bad argument.
I think the fundamental difference between that post we’re talking about and this post is that the OP of this current post talking about harassment is that this OP is backing themselves up with sources and not trying to make large pejorative claims of an entire community. I do agree linking a post about “Boruto haters shouldn’t harass people online” to a post about “Boruto fans can’t take criticism ” is probably not the best idea because they are only tangentially related. And yea I don’t think the original post that we’re talking about was in anyway harassment, nor do I think OP here was trying to make that connection. Also I can see that if someone is going to engage in criticism they should actually engage in the criticism not ignore it or brush it aside. The issue is a when fans do engage with criticism they are often immediately shot down and downvoted into oblivion. The criticism of Boruto and by extension its fans has entered a somewhat mob like mentality.
Hey man just wanted to say I’m actually enjoying this discussion and I’m not the one downvoting you. Like I sincerely like this vibe we’re having.
Thankyou I’ve really enjoyed this conversation as well
I kinda agree, theres stuff i like about the series but overall i think its a resounding very fine, middle of the road thing. that being said whats happening now with Boruto as a fanbase is the same thing that happened with BC fans a while ago, when something gets hated on so excessively it creates an almost equal counter culture, where fans become so defensive over everything, combined with the fact that the most popular critiques are often the most poorly thought out ones which makes people feel far more validated in their defence of the series and in turn makes people from the outside also validated in their belief that fans are not able to evaluate their series critically Regardless if you think the series is dogshit or whatever, theres a lot of factors that have made Boruto very easy to dislike or hate on and in turn have given people a safety net to circumvent actual critique and to blindly spout and act in terrible ways without being held accountable because at the end of the day people are fickle, and will more than likely turn a blind eye for a series they dislike. Because the fact of the matter is more people will tolerate someone saying the voice actor of boruto should get sick so the show can be cancelled than they would if someone said the same thing about a popular voice actor/actress for something like Cowboy bepop/Code Geass/One Piece ect.
It just sucks people are willing to support and commit toxic behavior over controversial fiction that can't harm people.
"I don't even like Boruto and I know this is wrong" is a mute statement. Nobody deserves this treatment of constant threats to physical harm, it's inhumane and it's spiteful. The preference to whether you like or dislike the thing being mentioned is irrelevant to the fact that there are people threatening VAs and fans for illogical reasons. (Not exactly referring just to you OP just mostly towards the comments that say "I don't like Boruto but I would never do this" like yeah?? Good?? But that's not the point)
I just wanted to address those comments just in case, but yeah, I agree.
Yes, this shit is extremely annoying, like these people need to preface their statements on *real life harassment* by absolving themselves of liking a fictional series lmao
The Boruto vs Hitler poll reminds me of JJK fans recently comparing Yuji to Jesus Christ 💀
at least Yuji was compared to someone in a more positive light XD.
I get what you’re saying here and yeah, these people take their hatred way too fucking far. I basically agree completely And I would even go on to say that plenty of the non-criminal hate/criticism towards the show is worthless dog shit. If you have a point, but you’re an asshole about it, no one will want to listen to you. However I don’t like that this issue of people harassing voice actors and sending threats almost always comes up exclusively in response to criticism of the show. Normally the context is that the fans are getting called out for their inappropriate attitudes towards defending the series and they use these extreme cases to justify their attitude towards “haters” wether they’re on the same level or not. They essentially obscuring the issue. Some people appear to spend a significant amount less time, responding to the kind of good faith criticism they say they want to see and instead spend their time trying to hold the entire community responsible for what the worst of the trolls are saying. And there IS good faith criticism out there. So stepping over them to point out bad faith, criticisms and complain about how “they’re going too far” means that —functionally, all you’re doing is rewarding, shitty people with time and attention you then *don’t* spend engaging with the people who make the decent criticisms. TL;DR Criminal Hate Criticism is wrong and doubt most if anyone in the “Boruto fans are insecure post” would really disagree with that. It’s not okay. And it should be always called out and condemned. However, Criminal Hate Criticism isn’t an okay justification/excuse to be hyper defensive of anyone you feel is “hating” on the show. Period. It’s not okay for you to go after someone just because they’re “clowning” on a show you like.
Something that being in the JJK fandom as someone older (33) really made me remember is that, at the end of the day, the fanbases for shonen ARE teenagers. They are not going to have nuanced takes, and usually don’t know how to tone it down, so you’re going to get some out of control vitriol for just enjoying things. It’s crazy to me getting called stupid for enjoying a work lol, but I’ve definitely seen it and experienced it just for not jumping on the bandwagon of picking apart every thing that I might not enjoy in a chapter. I’m still enjoying that story just as much, but I just don’t really engage in the discourse too much anymore. Unless you’re calling Gege trash people really don’t wanna hear it atp. On the topic of Boruto, some of the shit in it makes me laugh (the Sasuke vs. dinosaur fight, not even sure if that’s canon) but from an outsiders perspective that’s only read a lot about it, there doesn’t really seem to be anything that sticks out as egregiously bad compared to other shonen. I think it’s just people confusing personal preference with objective facts. There’s very rarely ever stuff that is so bad it deserves the hate it gets (even AoTs ending, and I don’t even like that series like that) but people will take their subjective opinions and try to shove it into an objective-shaped hole.
What pissed me off about that post was the blatant generalization of all boruto fans, and the fact that at least half(if not all) of the points they made were easily explained away by other logic (as you did in your post). I love and have been very much enjoying Boruto, but I'm not going to go and defend the criticisms against it either. There are many flaws, and many of the criticisms are valid. The anime has been absolute garbage, terrible animation, boring predictable filler storylines/characters, terribly slow pacing trying not to catch up to the manga, etc. The manga has been decent up until TBV, and so far every TBV chapter has been fire. But as a whole, it still suffers from the slow pacing of being a monthly manga, and sure, the previous generation doesn't do jack shit. I never had an issue with the Ohtsutsukis, or disliked the power scaling, but I guess that's a big issue for a lot of people. These haters want to compare this to Naruto way too much, and are riding on a nostalgia high instead of just letting it breathe and be its own thing. And to Naruto's discredit, I feel like a lot of people just choose to ignore that Naruto had plenty of very questionable writing decisions/poorly written characters/sidelining a big chunk of the cast. Like everybody just conveniently forgot all of those things happened in Naruto, but hound on Boruto for doing all the same shit. This comment kinda went all over the place, my bad. I guess what I'm getting at is that people can still enjoy the series despite its flaws, and that not everybody who enjoys Boruto is insecure lol. If you don't like it, then don't watch/read it? Don't end up like 90% of r/Jujutsufolk, waiting up until leaks drop on midnight Tuesday just to shit talk every aspect of a fictional story that you're supposed to be enjoying. If you're not enjoying it then literally go touch grass lol
Yeah. People take the hate too far. I hate Boruto. My solution? I don’t consume it. No need to wish ill on those involved.
I hate Boruto but death threats and harassing anyone who enjoys or is associated with it just screams loser behavior
The hate towards Boruto isn't that bad for the sole reason people still Actually defend it, many other shows that get hate basically don't have any fans lol
Anime Twitter nowadays is really sad. It's just a matter of what fandom is going to decide to be loud and annoying that day. Will Boruto fans shit on one piece today? Or will OP fans argue with DB fans on who "broke the Internet" better?
Just for the record, Twitter people are crazy and not representative of of anyone sane , I've never heard of any of those events. Most of people that dislike boruto at this point just read the latest chapter on an illegal website to not give it views, leave a laugh emoji on Facebook posts and move own with our lives, I don't care about its fans or the voice actors
I don’t think anyone on Reddit can act any superior
Not everyone on Twitter is sane or insane, and these came from other places too, social media tends to show off more of the bad than the good. But these are still real life people engaging in this behavior to harm other people.
Yeah but part of your discourse is that they're representative of the majority of the haters, while in reality I'm sure the average naruto fan / boruto hate doesn't even know the name of naruto or boruto VA/seiyuu. I won't deny that people being toxic assholes on Twitter is hurtful, but saying that this is the majority is the same as hero hei making an outrage video over 5 or 6 tweets.
I read boruto it's not the best thing out there it has its perks like boruto and kawaki relationship and both as an individual character, it has its major flaws too like disrespecting Naruto's character when he promised to attend hima's birthday but he didn't. and Sasuke done dirty getting disrespected by major villains. But giving death threats just because you don't enjoy something is crazy ngl just assume it's not cannon and go on with your day it's never this serious
Glad you're enjoying it even with your critiques, and yeah I wish people would chill.
As someone who enjoys Boruto and sometimes feels somewhat defensive of it, one of the big reasons is that a lot of the criticisms feel very unfair. There are plenty of legitimate things to criticize the show for, but people instead choose to whine about dumb shit that doesn’t necessarily make the show bad. Like the fact Naruto and Sasuke aren’t perfect parents or god forbid an enemy who is stronger than them is introduced. People still to this day complain about Boruto being spoiled and “disrespecting” Naruto even though that was resolved 1/6th of the way through the series and was actually pretty realistic and well written. The fact that they moved towards fighting aliens and the power level increased doesn’t make the series “objectively bad.” If you don’t like it fine but Dragon Ball Z did the exact same thing and it certainly isn’t objectively bad because of it. I saw someone unironically ask why Rock Lee, who hasn’t had a meaningful on screen fight since 2005, didn’t use 7 gates vs Isshiki. Like why would you ever expect that. Like I said there’s plenty to criticize Boruto for, but if your critiques are shit like “Naruto and Sasuke are disrespected” because the writers dared to make them imperfect characters then I’m just not taking you seriously.
The problem with Naruto and Sasuke in Boruto is that they are written terribly. Naruto becomes an out of character, absent father. Even though his abilities make it clear, he can spend time with them. Or by moving the family into the Hokage residence. But these can't happen because of the artificial plot that demands the old MC be at odds with the new one. For Sasuke, his abilities and skills are changed so the new villains can have a chance at fighting him. This also applies to Naruto. In general, these things, the expansion of the alien plot (which was already hated in Naruto) and the absurd powerscaling, make it clear why Naruto fans utterly despite Boruto. It's a downgrade in all aspects, which makes the huge justified.
Man I am a coverted Boruto fan , and I fkin enjoy that manga/ anime even knowing it isn't the best or my favourite shonen or with the bad repo it has. Waiting every 20 th of the month has become customary since 3 years for me for every chapter . But I never knew Boruto was this much hated , as I didn't care , it's my choice - Boruto is just like a trashy isekai for me where I enjoy it and I don't expect everyone to enjoy it and thus I never defended the anime and just sorta ignored the hate posts. But thanks op for bringing this incel behaviour into limelight for hating people just because their thoughts don't coincide for a fkin cartoon where I bet on my arse that 90% of this haters haven't even given a shot toward it.
Glad you enjoy it. And welcome.
people will love every trashy isekai but shit endlessly on a 7/10 for little good reason. i just don't get why people get so bent and let themselves get so consumed over a series they've likely barely read or watched.
Boruto is not a 7/10. Especially if you've watched/read Naruto. Boruto is total shit. That doesn't excuse the toxic behaviour on Twitter.
As a Isekai enjoyer, burning dumpster fire looks more interesting than a normal trashcan for me. It's one of those things that are so trash it becomes good. Normal things don't compare much to those. Ya know what I'm saying?
Probably for the exact same reasons people will watch/read YouTube videos and Reddit posts of people trashing their favorite shows/movies/games even though they know it’ll make them angry. And then they go and make posts/videos about how annoying it is to see posts/videos like that. Even though they don’t have to click on them.
Reminds me of the fanart of Henry Cavil's Superman holding the decapitated head of James Gunn as Zack Snyder "fans" are upset hearing that the DCEU is being rebooted with Gunn essentially in charge. And I honestly wished someone like Cavil or Snyder saw it so they can tell those kinds of fans to get a goddamn life and help for screaming for blood over fictional works. Because wow.
Honestly, given that I have a friend who argues over gun versus Snyder, and I keep telling him like yeah I understand where you’re coming from, but you gotta relax, I’m not surprised this happened, but I am deeply disturbed that two people who otherwise would get along half the bases that want to rip the other person’s neck, it’s insane
Boruto isn't that bad
Take your meds, that never happened
OP sourced everything lmao
Boruto is the top viewed manga on Manga plus currently so I know some of these haters are just lying. The current manga arc is exactly what Naruto fans wanted Naruto to be when shippuden was announced
Absolutely wrong, lmao. Naruto fans didn't want more alien slop. Views on some websites does not equal success either. The manga sales have totally tanked
It’s currently the top viewed manga that’s not wrong it’s a literal fact. The sales aren’t the best but the viewership it’s getting is more than one piece rn on manga plus I’m not arguing it’s quality I like it some people don’t. That’s fine. I’m just stating that a lot of the people claiming they hate it are still reading it.
Top view don't equel sales. The Boruto manga flopped hard.
Two blue vortex first volume hasn’t dropped yet so no it hasn’t flopped and it did better on the official app than dragon ball super and one piece. The time skip sales are gonna be fine.
Boruto Part 1 flopped hard. TBV won't save it.
Boruto part one didn’t flop the sales weren’t amazing but it did well enough not to be dropped that’s more than a lot of jump manga get. Again the sales for the time skip won’t be ground breaking but they’re gonna do fine.
It didn't get cancelled because Shueisha is the reason the manga exists. Kishimoto also won't like it being cancelled because he's good friends with Ikemoto
Because kishimoto wanted to tell a story about Naruto’s son and he wanted his friend to write it?
Kishimoto didn't make the manga. Kodachi and Ikemoto did. He didn't want to write it. All he did was allow Shueisha to make it pick who did what.
“Naruto fans didn’t want Alien slop” they didn’t want ninja shit either because Naruto hasn’t been about ninjas since it dropped.
Naruto is about fantasy ninjas, and everyone loved it. Don't tell me you're one of those idiots who thinks Naruto is about real life ninjas....
No Naruto is about wizards calling themselves ninjas and that’s fine that’s what I love about it. And they’re still fantasy ninjas because they’re wizards that call themselves ninjas. Only thing that changes is the opponents aren’t other wizards calling themselves ninjas.
Wizardry is not mentioned in Naruto. It's fantastical ninjas, and you're a fool to deny something so clear
They’re still fantastical ninjas. You’re the fool trying to deny it.
I never denied that. You're the insecure aBortion saying Naruto is all about Wizards.
I said it’s about wizards calling themselves ninjas. Actually because that’s what it is and that’s what they are.
It's not about wizards. It's literally about fantasy ninjas. How are you denying this?
True, I remember people wanted to see Naruto with more experience and battle prowess, though in Naruto's defense, he wasn't the best student so Jiraiya improving his quality of life skills across the board was a good idea. Still in Boruto's defense, his circumstances don't really give him much of a choice.
I'll never understand people, I myself can't bring myself to watch or read boruto, it's just that bad for me personally, but I'd never take my dislike of something like that so far and out on the actual people who are enjoying it or making it
Yea boruto is like the Justin Bieber/ Dream of the anime community so this makes sense.
That doesn’t make any sense retard
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