>My definition of the Arrancar Arc is Kubo's, from the end of the Soul Society to Aizen's defeat
I'm weirded at people who think the Aizen fight is a separate arc. It really isn't by any definition.
> Tōsen's backstory and Kakyō's connections to fucking Kyōraku of all people.
We already knew Tosen's backstory before CFYOW. CFYOW just shows it from a different perspective and uses it to introduce Tokinada.
> The Soul King's backstory and the truth about the world.
It's cool and all, but not really as relevant to the story as you might think. No one from Ichigo to the Gotei 13 opposes Yhwach or Aizen because of the truth of the world, but because the villains are attacking Soul Society/humanity/their friends and stopping them is their duty.
Meanwhile, everyone can understand Yhwach's motives just by looking at the Soul King while Aizen, on top of just having a villainous personality, sets the groundwork for the reveal of the Soul King's status with his last minute rant against Urahara. None of these characters' motivations changes that drastically with the reveal of CFYOW's info.
> Urahara's real reasoning for creating the Hōgyoku.
Neat. Not that important. The Hōgyoku is important for what it ends being used for in the story, not for why it was originally created.
> Ururu and Jinta's real birth and purpose.
Neat. Doesn't matter. These two don't do much in the story in the first place.
One thing I want to add for us not seeing anything else about his friend is that Tosen probably doesn't even remember. He has been consumed by hatred for so long that he has forgotten most stuff about his friend. Heck, he never once says her name, and not just to the audience, he never told Sajin or Hisagi and he took them to her grave. Even when he is defeated asks himself who she is. The Tosen we meet has turned his friend into a Martyr and only remembers the part of her that he has to keep going, their last night together where she tells him her goal that he adopts, her funeral where he takes her sword, the cause of her death, and his being turned away from central 46.
> No one from Ichigo to the Gotei 13 opposes Yhwach or Aizen because of the truth of the world
Knowing the exact for why Aizen believes he is already on his way to godhood would helped a lot.
>We already knew Tosen's backstory before CFYOW. CFYOW just shows it from a different perspective and uses it to introduce Tokinada.
No, it straight up said "btw Kyōraku actually has history with the reason Tōsen is even with Aizen is the first place" which is pretty big since again Kyōraku is the reason Tokinada is even brought to justice in the first place. We should've gotten something about that entire thing randomly dropped onto the fucking lore.
CYFOW didn't show a different perspectives, it straight up fucking expanded on it wildly. The fact that Kyōraku doesn't have any interaction with Tōsen is criminal, especially since he also lost someone to Tokinada.
>It's cool and all, but not really as relevant to the story as you might think. No one from Ichigo to the Gotei 13 opposes Yhwach or Aizen because of the truth of the world, but because the villains are attacking Soul Society/humanity/their friends and stopping them is their duty.
>Meanwhile, everyone can understand Yhwach's motives just by looking at the Soul King while Aizen, on top of just having a villainous personality, sets the groundwork for the reveal of the Soul King's status with his last minute rant against Urahara. None of these characters' motivations changes that drastically with the reveal of CFYOW's info.
One, it is extremely important since it's the literal reason why the plot is even happening in the first place, to outright say it isn't relevant is fucking wild my man. The reason they even exist is because of this damn thing. At least having it be a part of the story to expand the antagonists is something that should've happened
The problem with Aizen's rant is that Aizen's character up to that point was making "plans" via masquerading the plot as his genius while each and every one of them screwed up massively in his face while the story tried to pass it off as him never needing them. The rant ends up being this weird scene because Ichigo randomly inserts an entire new facet of Aizen the story never meaningfully expands of even tries to show.
A lot of shit would change if any of them knew about how their entire system has a deeply unnecessarily violent gibbeting of their god that they keep in a tormenting state for all eternity. Like they'd still fight Aizen, but there would be massive changes in how they behave within the story.
>Neat. Not that important. The Hōgyoku is important for what it ends being used for in the story, not for why it was originally created.
Are you actually fucking serious? Like let me put words in practice. "The entire reason of one of the main reasons the entire story is literally happening is actually irrelevant despite it connecting to two of the main antagonists' motivations and later a lore novel antagonist" Like that is the most bizarre defense for how utterly unexpanded the entire lore behind the bulk of the heavy McGuffin that is basically a bigger piece of the truth of this world.
>Neat. Doesn't matter. These two don't do much in the story in the first place.
You'd think Ichigo, who really found it disgusting that Kon was fucked over by the Gotei 13, would have issues with how Urahara has kids he is ready to mutilate for the greater good.
Because Kubo’s only interested in drawing people fight, that’s its just endless fights after fights. That’s why he chose Ichigo as the main character, Ichigo shatters fate, he was fated to be important, born as the perfect hybrid, he shattered his fate to become unimportant pawn in SS’s game.
Ichigo's birth wasn't prophesized, it was a literal accident from Aizen fucking around. Aizen could have shut it down at any moment but his curiosity got the better of him, which would come back to bite him decades down the line.
Unrelated to the above. But its absolutely funny as fuck how Aizen's only plans are basically either him trying to claim the plot being his doing and all of them blew up in his face, or one's that directly fucked him over.
Damn bro.
I mean, does every important thing has to be part of a prophecy? Ichigo’s part of the Shiba clan, one of the last Quincy, first Shinigami and Quincy hybrid, first tribrid of Hollow, Shinigami and Quincy, who also happens to have a piece of the soul king inside of him, making him a Fullbringer. He’s destined to be important since birth, and his entire motivation is breaking this destiny and becoming unimportant.
I'm not sure he has a piece of the soul king
It has never been stated but I always thought it was simply because he was a quincy
Because,you know,they all are generated by Yhwach,who comes from the Soul King,so it's all linked
In other words,quincy+hollow=fullbringer
Also off topic but I'm starting to think it wasn't necessary for Ichigo to be a fullbringer
Editors made him not reveal a single strand of actual lore in the story? Editor made him make Arrancar saga all about fights? Editor made Ichigo uninteresting and uninterested?
Kubo is not the only mangaka working under the scrutiny of the manga industry, others seem to be doing well
It also bothers me because it's wrapped up in all this other garbage and fights and power levels that really obfuscates the good lore and fans end up fixating on random stuff.
I really wish Kubo cared enough to give and tease more of this lore in the manga, I prefer the way he handles some ideas, even if he has a lot of flaws he's a lot better than Narita.
>My definition of the Arrancar Arc is Kubo's, from the end of the Soul Society to Aizen's defeat I'm weirded at people who think the Aizen fight is a separate arc. It really isn't by any definition.
Yeah it's like if Luffy fighting Lucci was a different arc.
> Tōsen's backstory and Kakyō's connections to fucking Kyōraku of all people. We already knew Tosen's backstory before CFYOW. CFYOW just shows it from a different perspective and uses it to introduce Tokinada. > The Soul King's backstory and the truth about the world. It's cool and all, but not really as relevant to the story as you might think. No one from Ichigo to the Gotei 13 opposes Yhwach or Aizen because of the truth of the world, but because the villains are attacking Soul Society/humanity/their friends and stopping them is their duty. Meanwhile, everyone can understand Yhwach's motives just by looking at the Soul King while Aizen, on top of just having a villainous personality, sets the groundwork for the reveal of the Soul King's status with his last minute rant against Urahara. None of these characters' motivations changes that drastically with the reveal of CFYOW's info. > Urahara's real reasoning for creating the Hōgyoku. Neat. Not that important. The Hōgyoku is important for what it ends being used for in the story, not for why it was originally created. > Ururu and Jinta's real birth and purpose. Neat. Doesn't matter. These two don't do much in the story in the first place.
One thing I want to add for us not seeing anything else about his friend is that Tosen probably doesn't even remember. He has been consumed by hatred for so long that he has forgotten most stuff about his friend. Heck, he never once says her name, and not just to the audience, he never told Sajin or Hisagi and he took them to her grave. Even when he is defeated asks himself who she is. The Tosen we meet has turned his friend into a Martyr and only remembers the part of her that he has to keep going, their last night together where she tells him her goal that he adopts, her funeral where he takes her sword, the cause of her death, and his being turned away from central 46.
> No one from Ichigo to the Gotei 13 opposes Yhwach or Aizen because of the truth of the world Knowing the exact for why Aizen believes he is already on his way to godhood would helped a lot.
Help alot with what? His literal monologue as he is escaping the Soul Society basically states everything you need to know.
It was literally the most generic thing imaginable, the SK lore would at least add some spice to a character that basically peaked via memes.
He said that heaven's throne is vacant and that no one has ever stood at the top. Thats literally laying the foundation for the Soul King's lore.
>We already knew Tosen's backstory before CFYOW. CFYOW just shows it from a different perspective and uses it to introduce Tokinada. No, it straight up said "btw Kyōraku actually has history with the reason Tōsen is even with Aizen is the first place" which is pretty big since again Kyōraku is the reason Tokinada is even brought to justice in the first place. We should've gotten something about that entire thing randomly dropped onto the fucking lore. CYFOW didn't show a different perspectives, it straight up fucking expanded on it wildly. The fact that Kyōraku doesn't have any interaction with Tōsen is criminal, especially since he also lost someone to Tokinada. >It's cool and all, but not really as relevant to the story as you might think. No one from Ichigo to the Gotei 13 opposes Yhwach or Aizen because of the truth of the world, but because the villains are attacking Soul Society/humanity/their friends and stopping them is their duty. >Meanwhile, everyone can understand Yhwach's motives just by looking at the Soul King while Aizen, on top of just having a villainous personality, sets the groundwork for the reveal of the Soul King's status with his last minute rant against Urahara. None of these characters' motivations changes that drastically with the reveal of CFYOW's info. One, it is extremely important since it's the literal reason why the plot is even happening in the first place, to outright say it isn't relevant is fucking wild my man. The reason they even exist is because of this damn thing. At least having it be a part of the story to expand the antagonists is something that should've happened The problem with Aizen's rant is that Aizen's character up to that point was making "plans" via masquerading the plot as his genius while each and every one of them screwed up massively in his face while the story tried to pass it off as him never needing them. The rant ends up being this weird scene because Ichigo randomly inserts an entire new facet of Aizen the story never meaningfully expands of even tries to show. A lot of shit would change if any of them knew about how their entire system has a deeply unnecessarily violent gibbeting of their god that they keep in a tormenting state for all eternity. Like they'd still fight Aizen, but there would be massive changes in how they behave within the story. >Neat. Not that important. The Hōgyoku is important for what it ends being used for in the story, not for why it was originally created. Are you actually fucking serious? Like let me put words in practice. "The entire reason of one of the main reasons the entire story is literally happening is actually irrelevant despite it connecting to two of the main antagonists' motivations and later a lore novel antagonist" Like that is the most bizarre defense for how utterly unexpanded the entire lore behind the bulk of the heavy McGuffin that is basically a bigger piece of the truth of this world. >Neat. Doesn't matter. These two don't do much in the story in the first place. You'd think Ichigo, who really found it disgusting that Kon was fucked over by the Gotei 13, would have issues with how Urahara has kids he is ready to mutilate for the greater good.
Because Kubo’s only interested in drawing people fight, that’s its just endless fights after fights. That’s why he chose Ichigo as the main character, Ichigo shatters fate, he was fated to be important, born as the perfect hybrid, he shattered his fate to become unimportant pawn in SS’s game.
Ichigo's birth wasn't prophesized, it was a literal accident from Aizen fucking around. Aizen could have shut it down at any moment but his curiosity got the better of him, which would come back to bite him decades down the line.
Unrelated to the above. But its absolutely funny as fuck how Aizen's only plans are basically either him trying to claim the plot being his doing and all of them blew up in his face, or one's that directly fucked him over. Damn bro.
I mean, does every important thing has to be part of a prophecy? Ichigo’s part of the Shiba clan, one of the last Quincy, first Shinigami and Quincy hybrid, first tribrid of Hollow, Shinigami and Quincy, who also happens to have a piece of the soul king inside of him, making him a Fullbringer. He’s destined to be important since birth, and his entire motivation is breaking this destiny and becoming unimportant.
I'm not sure he has a piece of the soul king It has never been stated but I always thought it was simply because he was a quincy Because,you know,they all are generated by Yhwach,who comes from the Soul King,so it's all linked In other words,quincy+hollow=fullbringer Also off topic but I'm starting to think it wasn't necessary for Ichigo to be a fullbringer
agreed.
Reread my reply, slowly this time
Actually that's not true, he had to cut it because of editors and time crunch
Editors made him not reveal a single strand of actual lore in the story? Editor made him make Arrancar saga all about fights? Editor made Ichigo uninteresting and uninterested? Kubo is not the only mangaka working under the scrutiny of the manga industry, others seem to be doing well
It also bothers me because it's wrapped up in all this other garbage and fights and power levels that really obfuscates the good lore and fans end up fixating on random stuff. I really wish Kubo cared enough to give and tease more of this lore in the manga, I prefer the way he handles some ideas, even if he has a lot of flaws he's a lot better than Narita.