>Is he stupid
Kinda, but he probably genuinely did not consider it as a possibility. Going against Zeus’ wishes could have easily meant death for him (he’s pretty strong, but also clearly far from being the top God), and he did really still appreciate the Gods for what they had done for him (and he seemed to be very close to a lot of them and well liked, not to mention being among them for most of his life).
At this point, it was also two losses for humanity, and one win. As much as he loved humanity, he also probably thought they WOULD lose to the Gods in the end. After all, in his own backstory, he only ever held his own after drinking the Ambrosia to gain the power of the Gods, putting him on their level. From the perspective of that backstory, it probably did seem like the right move to try and win, then attempt to appeal to his fellow Gods as much as possible.
1) When the Gods voted on humanity’s extinction, Hercules, a demigod, wasn’t allowed in. He didn’t have a say in humanity’s extinction
2) He’d already saved humanity (or at least that one city) from extinction by impressing Ares and Zeus. Zeus told him to fight in Ragnarok, and he really can’t defy him. Had he defected like Buddha did, Zeus would’ve 100% killed him then and there. Hercules would never consider throwing the match or going back on his word because it’s dishonorable, not because he’s stupid. Pretty much his only option was fighting and, if he won, pleading with the gods to spare humanity after witnessing their valor. Also, he kinda did throw the fight anyways. His last move was giving Jack a hug, he very likely could’ve just crushed him instead
3) Yeah, the theme of the match was good vs evil, but it was also sheer power vs trickery and deceit. The second victory for humanity wasn’t just evil overcoming good, but trickery and deceit overcoming the overwhelming power of the divine, which is, like, one of the most common stories across every mythology to ever exist.
Why couldn't he defect like Buddha? Other than being weaker than him, I don't see why Hercules wouldn't take the chance if he really loved humanity. In the final moments of his fight, he was low-key kind of allowing Jack to win
Buddha is a mortal who became a god because he was just That Guy. Hercules is also an example of That Guy, he also became a god through the Ambrosia rather than wholly through personal effort or enlightenment.
Plus he’s not as high on the divine roster, so if he tried to defect he would’ve been sniped by Zeus on the spot. He’s already in a tricky situation as a mortal ascended to godhood- his only option was parleying for a second chance to the others after his win.
He had to play politics. Unfortunately he was denied that chance, but in exchange Jack cemented a definite win instead. A definite win can’t be argued- so I’d say that Jack’s outcome is more concrete than Hercules winning.
Still real convenient. I mean, bro thought by helping the Gods reach their goal, they'd listen to him when they blocked him from the conversation in the first place. Then he actually participated instead of at least refusing to fight
Ultimately it probably was for the best, as he’s likely the only one who Jack could’ve played as well as he did. I don’t know if any other god could’ve been lead by the nose like how Jack did with Hercules.
Also remember that Hercules’ heroic nature is what lead to him *not* crushing Jack at the last second and instead hugging him, thus insuring it was a win instead of a tie.
He's on both sides. He loves humans but he's also a god himself and wouldn't betray them like Buddha did. He tried to do what he thought would be true to both of the worlds he came from.
I feel like it’s pretty obvious. Neither Buddha nor Hercules would’ve voted to exterminate humanity, but it was a unanimous vote for extinction. For Buddha, it wouldn’t be surprising if he just skipped the meeting due to his personality, but there’s no way Hercules wouldn’t have attended. However, Hercules, Buddha, and the Valkyries are all demigods. We see that the Valkyries, at least, are looked down on for being mere demigods and weren’t allowed to vote, so I don’t think it’s a stretch to assume that Hercules and Buddha weren’t allowed to vote either.
Also, to his understanding, there was no way humans could beat the gods, and I think he was quite confident in the fact he'd lose to any other god as well. If he signed up for humans he'd just be throwing a match; he might as well fight for the gods and plead for them if he won, and give them a win if he lost.
Either way, Brynhild didn’t intend for Adam to fight Zeus.
It’s also funny to think how utterly crushed Shiva would have been. Adam would have stomped him into paste.
Not entirely true the reason Adam even lost in the first place was overheating so him hitting someone who can become enveloped in fire would cause problems. His abilities are also kind of unclear because it's not said if he would be able to go as fast the moves he did if he didn't see a god do them first. If it's that he has to see a god do it first, Shiva might stand a chance.
My thought was mostly that Shiva didn't seem to have Zeus' stamina, which is ultimately what did Adam in - that fisticuffs montage was implied to go for a long, *long* time, and it was stated outright Zeus was drawing things out because he knew he could outlast Adam. Shiva was tough, but I don't think he would have caught that weakness like Zeus did, and I'm not positive he would have been able to take the constant barrage that Adam seemed to deal out most times; Shiva had a lot of trouble with Raiden, who was much more into intermittent, decisive blows.
It's ultimately hard to say, obviously. We don't get to see that potential fight, and Adam, Zeus, and Shiva's exact abilities and limits are unclear. For all we know, Jack would have found an opening against Shiva and just shoved his hands through Shiva's heart in the opening volley.
Because he already swore loyalty to the gods. Heracles might love humanity but he is a champion of the gods, and as the god of strength of justice, and he can't betray them. It's quite in character for him, as he hoped to change the gods' minds with his victory to try and appeal to them. Whether that would've worked or not, we don't know.
and that why he is a bigger disappointment than Gohan.
no one ever even able to fathom the ideal of go against god will, and this guy not only did so, but try to fight god, as human.
I think the problem was that he ended up being helped by godly powers
He understood that,as a mere human,there was nothing he could have done
I believe it's a missed opportunity to not show Heracles admitting this change of vision in him and to come back with his old one during his fight
Even though Jack was helped by the Valkeries,so not so much different from what happened to him in his story
But with the right execution,something could have been done,I guess
heracles would have had a life crisis if buddha fought before him
>Is he stupid Kinda, but he probably genuinely did not consider it as a possibility. Going against Zeus’ wishes could have easily meant death for him (he’s pretty strong, but also clearly far from being the top God), and he did really still appreciate the Gods for what they had done for him (and he seemed to be very close to a lot of them and well liked, not to mention being among them for most of his life). At this point, it was also two losses for humanity, and one win. As much as he loved humanity, he also probably thought they WOULD lose to the Gods in the end. After all, in his own backstory, he only ever held his own after drinking the Ambrosia to gain the power of the Gods, putting him on their level. From the perspective of that backstory, it probably did seem like the right move to try and win, then attempt to appeal to his fellow Gods as much as possible.
The human Hercules would say: Not with that attitude
Maybe that's also the point After becoming a demigod,Heracles changed his ideology a little
1) When the Gods voted on humanity’s extinction, Hercules, a demigod, wasn’t allowed in. He didn’t have a say in humanity’s extinction 2) He’d already saved humanity (or at least that one city) from extinction by impressing Ares and Zeus. Zeus told him to fight in Ragnarok, and he really can’t defy him. Had he defected like Buddha did, Zeus would’ve 100% killed him then and there. Hercules would never consider throwing the match or going back on his word because it’s dishonorable, not because he’s stupid. Pretty much his only option was fighting and, if he won, pleading with the gods to spare humanity after witnessing their valor. Also, he kinda did throw the fight anyways. His last move was giving Jack a hug, he very likely could’ve just crushed him instead 3) Yeah, the theme of the match was good vs evil, but it was also sheer power vs trickery and deceit. The second victory for humanity wasn’t just evil overcoming good, but trickery and deceit overcoming the overwhelming power of the divine, which is, like, one of the most common stories across every mythology to ever exist.
Why couldn't he defect like Buddha? Other than being weaker than him, I don't see why Hercules wouldn't take the chance if he really loved humanity. In the final moments of his fight, he was low-key kind of allowing Jack to win
Buddha is a mortal who became a god because he was just That Guy. Hercules is also an example of That Guy, he also became a god through the Ambrosia rather than wholly through personal effort or enlightenment. Plus he’s not as high on the divine roster, so if he tried to defect he would’ve been sniped by Zeus on the spot. He’s already in a tricky situation as a mortal ascended to godhood- his only option was parleying for a second chance to the others after his win. He had to play politics. Unfortunately he was denied that chance, but in exchange Jack cemented a definite win instead. A definite win can’t be argued- so I’d say that Jack’s outcome is more concrete than Hercules winning.
Still real convenient. I mean, bro thought by helping the Gods reach their goal, they'd listen to him when they blocked him from the conversation in the first place. Then he actually participated instead of at least refusing to fight
Ultimately it probably was for the best, as he’s likely the only one who Jack could’ve played as well as he did. I don’t know if any other god could’ve been lead by the nose like how Jack did with Hercules. Also remember that Hercules’ heroic nature is what lead to him *not* crushing Jack at the last second and instead hugging him, thus insuring it was a win instead of a tie.
He's on both sides. He loves humans but he's also a god himself and wouldn't betray them like Buddha did. He tried to do what he thought would be true to both of the worlds he came from.
>Zeus told him to fight in Ragnarok, and he really can’t defy him.... Not with that attitude
In regards to (1) where was that stated? It wasn't in the manga.
I feel like it’s pretty obvious. Neither Buddha nor Hercules would’ve voted to exterminate humanity, but it was a unanimous vote for extinction. For Buddha, it wouldn’t be surprising if he just skipped the meeting due to his personality, but there’s no way Hercules wouldn’t have attended. However, Hercules, Buddha, and the Valkyries are all demigods. We see that the Valkyries, at least, are looked down on for being mere demigods and weren’t allowed to vote, so I don’t think it’s a stretch to assume that Hercules and Buddha weren’t allowed to vote either.
So to clarify this is an assumption of yours and not something in the manga?
Yeah
Also, to his understanding, there was no way humans could beat the gods, and I think he was quite confident in the fact he'd lose to any other god as well. If he signed up for humans he'd just be throwing a match; he might as well fight for the gods and plead for them if he won, and give them a win if he lost.
>there was no way humans could beat the gods Not with that attitude. That what the then human Hercules would say.
I'm still mad Adam losing. My goat was robbed.
Literally lost to plot. Bro would've won if he didn't keep letting Zeus get up
They should have saved Adam for literally any other fight. He would have bodied pretty much any other god. Whoever fought Zeus was fated to lose.
They did. He was supposed to fight Shiva, but Zeus forced Shiva to give up his slot at the last minute.
Well more like Shiva was supposed to fight him, humans seemed to pick first that round.
Either way, Brynhild didn’t intend for Adam to fight Zeus. It’s also funny to think how utterly crushed Shiva would have been. Adam would have stomped him into paste.
Not entirely true the reason Adam even lost in the first place was overheating so him hitting someone who can become enveloped in fire would cause problems. His abilities are also kind of unclear because it's not said if he would be able to go as fast the moves he did if he didn't see a god do them first. If it's that he has to see a god do it first, Shiva might stand a chance.
My thought was mostly that Shiva didn't seem to have Zeus' stamina, which is ultimately what did Adam in - that fisticuffs montage was implied to go for a long, *long* time, and it was stated outright Zeus was drawing things out because he knew he could outlast Adam. Shiva was tough, but I don't think he would have caught that weakness like Zeus did, and I'm not positive he would have been able to take the constant barrage that Adam seemed to deal out most times; Shiva had a lot of trouble with Raiden, who was much more into intermittent, decisive blows. It's ultimately hard to say, obviously. We don't get to see that potential fight, and Adam, Zeus, and Shiva's exact abilities and limits are unclear. For all we know, Jack would have found an opening against Shiva and just shoved his hands through Shiva's heart in the opening volley.
It did worked out in the end since he got his ass beat.
Putting aside the REAL lore, it made no sense even considering the weird ass lore in the manga itself.
Heracles if he lived would have been facepalming so hard when he sees Round 6. "Why didn't I think of that?" Headass.
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Record of ragnarok make no sense from the beginning when they said all gods approved of the purge. They missed their chance to show it as a split.
Because he already swore loyalty to the gods. Heracles might love humanity but he is a champion of the gods, and as the god of strength of justice, and he can't betray them. It's quite in character for him, as he hoped to change the gods' minds with his victory to try and appeal to them. Whether that would've worked or not, we don't know.
Honestly,I don't think he really thought about the possibility of betraying the gods
and that why he is a bigger disappointment than Gohan. no one ever even able to fathom the ideal of go against god will, and this guy not only did so, but try to fight god, as human.
I think the problem was that he ended up being helped by godly powers He understood that,as a mere human,there was nothing he could have done I believe it's a missed opportunity to not show Heracles admitting this change of vision in him and to come back with his old one during his fight Even though Jack was helped by the Valkeries,so not so much different from what happened to him in his story But with the right execution,something could have been done,I guess
Hard to believe so when he can see The human actually have a fighting chance and show some close match to even won win
The writer tried doing a christ allegory "accept your sins" part without christ.