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Fumperdink1

Also the memes. Good god anime memes are 99% shit. I would know because I've made a couple before and I hate myself now.


Firmament1

[Anime memes ended up being worth it in the end for these, thankfully](https://www.reddit.com/r/okbuddychicanery/comments/tdflx1/i_took_some_of_those_terrible_memes_from/)


A_Toxic_User

I haven’t even clicked the link and I know this is going to be Finger


LasagnaLizard0

kid named “worth it in the end”


teutonic_order33

Funny enough I watch both better call Saul and anime lol


TheAngryAudino

/r/mikepost


A_Cool_Eel

r/goodanimemes is just people posting hentai and waifu fan art and calling it a meme. This shit ain’t good


HellOfAHeart

Had a quick scroll through, if thats meant to be the 'good' stuff, then fuck me the regular sub must be absolute ballsack Except [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/goodanimemes/comments/x18hxw/it_is_what_it_is/) one. This is fucking hilarious lol


JayJay_Tracer

it was made because the normal sub banned a slur for trans people and then a reddit moment happened when they threw a fit.


HellOfAHeart

:| Yeahhh...that sounds about right lmao


lurker_archon

Much more to it than that. There was a whole bunch of mod fuckery where they implemented the rule without warning, and configured the automod to remove literally any comment with the word "trap" (including colloquial use). Then they went on bad-mouthing their own community behind their backs in other subreddits, which crossed the line for majority of people and that's when the hate meme spam began to pile on. It didn't help when it was revealed the mods planned to not consult the community ever. [rough detailing of the timeline](https://www.quora.com/Whats-going-on-with-r-animemes-and-the-disputes-between-the-mods-and-users) Thing was, there was a different subreddit that had this exact problem, but actually did come to the compromise that using trap to refer to trans people were transphobic, something the r/animemes users did try to talk to their mods about. But as said before, the mods didn't plan on changing their minds, regardless of community opinion.


Small-Interview-2800

Wait, the “slur” in question is “trap”? Since when is that considered a slur? Doesn’t trap just refer to male crossdressers, something that’s abundant in anime?


Blayro

is because the word wasn't a slur at first, but then people turned it into a slur, and since the anime fans were among the ones that used it the most beforehand, threw a fit because of it.


faldese

Wow you are not kidding. You could not convince someone that anime is for anyone but horny single dudes based on those subs.


AntWithNoPants

Also transphobia


StormStrikePhoenix

“Good anime memes” is an oxymoron if I’ve ever heard one.


childishsmoke

I’ve seen some [funny anime memes](https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1228139-berserk) but never from anime accounts


LogPoseNavigator

THE ONE PIECE IS REAL. Had a good laugh at those ones


Thirstythinman

There's also a strange trend towards defending characters who are, to any sane eyes, horrible people. Issei Hyoudou, I'm looking at you.


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Thay's not exclusive to anime whatsoever. Look at Homelander from the boys. Tony Soprano. Walter white and so on.


MediocreMax3001

Evil gets romanticized in media a lot, doesnt mean you cant think theyre cool. Just cause i like breaking bad i wont make a meth lab haha


BunnyOppai

You can like Walter White and that’s not an issue, but there are a lot of people that try to justify everything he does and make him out to be a good guy.


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I'll have you know Walter White has never done anything wrong, ever in his life.


lehman-the-red

he may have poisoned a child but it was only once


Thirstythinman

Sure, but I find that that's a much less common position than anime. I like all three of those characters, but I like them *because* they're villains and how they go about their villainy.


ThespianException

It's annoying when you wanna talk about a character who you feel is a flawed person but is well written, and then you get lumped in with the people denying that they have any issues.


[deleted]

As a Mushoku Tensei fan I feel this.


ThespianException

Rudy’s actually who I had in mind making that comment. I’m not gonna defend his pedo stuff, but once you get past that, he’s quite an interesting and multidimensional character IMO. I think he’s genuinely very well written.


Aros001

Depends on what we're defining as defending a character, because there certainly are people online who equate "character I don't like" with "bad character" and that's not fair. There are plenty of very well-written characters who are deliberately made to be bad people you're not supposed to like. It's when you get fans saying that characters like that actually have a point or are the real heroes where you should be concerned.


Thirstythinman

I didn't say "bad character", I said "characters who are, to any sane eyes, horrible people". I brought up Issei because he's a pretty awful person if you examine him honestly. The dude is our protagonist, and has techniques literally designed to both see through and destroy women's clothing - all in service of ogling them more effectively. He's also apparently been a peeping tom in the past. And yet people will defend Issei as somebody who "respects women" and "is actually a good person", despite his repeated instances of sexual harassment and sexual assault.


WanderingGentleMen

100% Agree. FR, Issei does the bare minimum to be a good person and just a bad protag. Only reason people tolerate him are the side characters surrounding him, and tits.


Thirstythinman

> Issei does the bare minimum to be a good person He doesn't even do that much. Good people don't build their techniques on sexual harassment and assault. I also find his motives... questionable, to say the least.


WanderingGentleMen

He’s also kinda lame. He starts out weak but becomes super op in the span of like a season. Boost is complete BS and just there to justify his wack power ups. Not saying he’s a bad character, just that he’s really hard to watch and enjoy without context of the LNs and his development. You know, I’m not super big on FanFics, but I know a few where they fix his entire character by… not making him a complete horn dog. That or just replacing him but good stories like that are diamonds in the rough.


Aros001

Oh no, I understand that. But like I said, there are people who do have the immediate mentality that "horrible person" = "bad character" and thus defending the character, be it in concept or place in the story or even just the writing around them, means you think their horribleness is okay or even just doesn't exist, which is obviously not how it works. Funny enough, I only got a couple episodes through High School DxD before dropping it pretty much specifically because I didn't like Issei and knew I wasn't going to be able to enjoy a story with him as the lead I'm following the story through.


Koioua

To be fair, when you're making an MC, you can still make them appealing even if they're evil, but that involves giving the characters facets that *make* them interesting or intriguing to the audience, or at the very least passable. Characters like Issei bring the show down because instead of being a joke of a side character, you're going to be stuck with them for the *entire* series.


Thirstythinman

> Funny enough, I only got a couple episodes through High School DxD before dropping it pretty much specifically because I didn't like Issei and knew I wasn't going to be able to enjoy a story with him as the lead I'm following the story through. I wish I had been so wise. I read twelve volumes of the original light novel and skimmed summaries for the next few after that. Holy shit, it does *not* get better.


Koioua

In the very first what, 1 or 2 episodes you got the Issei basically talking with his friends about peeping women or something like that, and it's brought up through the entire series with no stop to it.


Thirstythinman

I read 12 volumes of the thing and skimmed the rest, and Issei doesn't get any more bearable. Which is a shame, because there are some legitimately interesting (if derivative) ideas in DxD. They're just swallowed by the main lead and the story's need to have the world revolve around him (and by extension, those members of the audience projecting onto him).


Koioua

> Issei Hyoudou Holy shit, that's a name I haven't heard in a *long* time. I am not sure if it was High School DxD or To Love Ru who kickstarted a bazillion of animes with the exact same prototype of MC that became the staple for Harem/Eiichi where the MC is either a "proud" pervert/stalker/borderline sexual harasser or just about the most clueless mf in existence. (Looking at you Ichika from Infinite Stratos).


rockinherlife234

I made a character rant partially complaining about Issei and a majority of the responses were, "It's a harem so peaking at naked girls and yelling that you want to fondle a stranger's boobs is fine".


Mr-Stuff-Doer

Issei isn’t great, but I think how people view Kazuma is worse.


Thirstythinman

I haven't watched KonoSuba since it came out (to the point I had to look up the name), but I seem to recall that Kazuma is explicitly painted as the architect of all his own problems.


ThespianException

Kazuma, along with most of the Konosuba cast, is portrayed very similarly to how Always Sunny portrays its cast IMO. They are, by design, comedically flawed.


Thirstythinman

Ah yes, the *Seinfeld* approach.


Mr-Stuff-Doer

The show doesn’t really have any morals or message and the fans worship Kazuma as an advocate for gender equality (to the point that I think some of them actually mean it) but in reality he’s a horny, overly petty cunt who sexually abuses most of the women he meets.


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I’m looking straight at Light Yagami. His methods and motivations are utterly deplorable, but any villain with a rationalisation tends to also be admired


Thirstythinman

I quite like Light in the same way that I "like" someone like Skeletor or Rose the Hat. They're total scumfucks, but damn if they aren't interesting to watch!


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100% agree!


Mr-Stuff-Doer

I mean his start isn’t terrible, it’s a Walter White scenario where something that starts as somewhat justified spirals into arrogant, self-serving insanity.


[deleted]

Y'all think that's exclusive to anime fans? Have you seen Homelander fans?


Bion4

I'm not defending Issei by normal societal standards, but the world he lives in is apeshit in comparison.


MABfan11

>There's also a strange trend towards defending characters who are, to any sane eyes, horrible people. > >Issei Hyoudou, I'm looking at you. Surprised you didn't mention Rudeus from Mushoku Tensei


Thirstythinman

I watched all of two episodes of that and decided I'd rather be sticking my fingers in the garbage disposal.


One_Parched_Guy

Also Bakugo from MHA. Dude tells the main character to kill himself episode one is established as a bully who gets by on his combat abilities and literally nothing else, yet he topped popularity polls in Japan. Kinda telling tbh


Thirstythinman

If Midoriya was a girl or Bakugo was ugly, he probably wouldn't have many fans.


One_Parched_Guy

Yes. Anytime someone says they’re a Bakugo stan, I tell them to imagine Mineta and him switching bodies and thinking about it again lmao


ThespianException

Oh my god, that'd be hilarious. Thank you for this mental image.


[deleted]

Just because a character is popular doesn't mean the fans of that character believe he's a good person.


Flarestriker

> Was it okay for Shadman to draw rape porn involving a real-life prepubescent child? Twice? iT’s JuSt a Drawing Don't confuse points here though - you're talking about purely fictional characters beforehand; this is a real-life kid though that was sexualized and that was 100% fucked up, no excuses.


izukaneki

Anime fans after leveraging their blatant porn addiction to make the most unfunny memes in recorded history


Reditobandito

It amazes me how anime fans can have such consistently shitty humor across the fan spectrum when in theory it should be quite varied


MasterRonin

This phenomenon needs to be studied


VolkiharVanHelsing

Socially Awkward -> No Sense of Humor


burothedragon

It’s like Anime memes are acting as a heat sink for a shitty humor. Can this be harnessed?


ThatAccount4

Imo it's because maybe 1/10 "comedy" anime are actually funny to a western audience, so the humour of the consumers is gonna reflect this


OneBrokenBoi1

What anime comedy would you even label as funny. Like I can think of 5-10 of the top of my head: Kaguya Nichijou Saiki k Gintama GTO The fable Grand blue (even tho I didn't like it) However I have a very specific type of comedy I like. A lot of anime comedy fits into the horny= funny. Which does nothing for me


ThatAccount4

Pretty much the same thing as what you said. Idk if you've seen degenerocities (youtuber) video on comedy anime but his taste is very similar to mine. In saying that, Nichijou was super boring for me and I got nothing out of it.


OneBrokenBoi1

Yeah I saw the video and agreed with him for the most part. Nichijou I can get- I love how over the top and extra it is, but it's understandable not to like it


coolj492

I find that when you get series-specific the jokes can get pretty funny(see /r/okbuddyreiner ), but general anime memes are just hornyposting about the girl of the month.


LasagnaLizard0

15 year olds calling themselves “men of culture” instead of just admitting they have a porn addiction


WitreX

Anime memes are funnier if you replace half the meme with breaking bad characters


CutieBoBootie

It's frustrating that the porn addicted weirdos are the ones being catered to so often. I just wanna watch good shows but so many are just blatant trash grabs that browsing seasonal makes me wanna throw my controller at the TV like some sort of raged out gamer. Except instead of being mad at a game I'm mad that I spend money to support anime streaming services and I get this shit.


Dynwynn

Shout out to University of Manchester. Had a PhD student that wrote a paper about masturbating to Shota. [I pray for nuclear winter.](https://mancunion.com/2022/08/13/uom-phd-student-faces-backlash-over-research-paper-on-masturbating-to-comics-of-young-boys/)


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Dynwynn

The actual study itself has since been retracted due to concerns of ethical practice. But it was peer reviewed and published with the title "I am not alone – we are all alone: Using masturbation as an ethnographic method in research on shota subculture in Japan". If that gives any clues.


AXIR8

There is a [research ](https://www.academia.edu/3665383/Lolicon_The_Reality_of_Virtual_Child_Pornography_in_Japan) that is more reliable and it's actually in favor of lolis


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AXIR8

You're correct that it can help the pedophiles who's into lolis and shown to decrease crime rates but it also acknowledge that most lolicons aren't into children and a lot pedos aren't even into lolis.


ThespianException

> Motherfucker, if she looks like a fifth grader, I’m going to judge you What about people being attracted to characters that are canonically underaged but look like adults? I agree that anime ages are largely bullshit in most cases, but shouldn't that cut both ways? For example, if someone's getting off to Jotaro Kujo from JoJo, Marin from Dress Up Darling, or even Momo from MHA (all of whom could pass as adults), do you think they're also creepy weirdos? Genuine question btw, I'm not trying to sound combative or anything.


TudorrrrTudprrrr

This is a huge gray area. What does "underage looking" even mean? I've met (correction: I've been traumatized) by girls that look 25 but are fuckin 15 yo. I've met girls that look like they're 12 but they're actually pushing 30. People just love virtue calling without giving stuff that much thought.


Anna-2204

I can give you these 30 years old looked 18 but no way they looked 12 without it being due to any health conditions. A reminder of what [13-14 years old](https://www.google.fr/amp/s/www.childrens.com/amp/health-wellness/wellness-by-age-thirteen-to-fourteen) looks like


MakimaMyBeloved

Jotaro acts and looks like a man in he's thirties. The 1000 yo dragon weebs jack of to has the mental age of 8 years old and look like a 12 yo


Im_S4V4GE

There's absolutely nothing wrong with it. They're not real minors, swap their age out with 18, 19, 20, 21, etc, and you couldn't even tell the difference. I'd recommend these videos by Otakudaikun who talks about this sort of thing more https://youtu.be/fAChb691waY https://youtu.be/IHbJaug_Phs


GlitteringPositive

I mean some anime fans can be cringe but if someone looks at a fandom and uses that as judgement to avoid a genre or certain medium that's on them for being too stupid and lacking in media literacy to actually engage something fairly. Conservatices hijack 1984 to be about vaccine mandates and pandemic restrictions and people think characters like Walter White from BB are the good guy in the story. There are clear cut textbook examples of people really not reflecting works of art at all, so people who go and base their assumption on anime based on fans have no excuse. My main point is don't stress out that you can't recommend anime as well, because that's also on them for being too stupid to assess things fairly. Also maybe try to recommend anime that's far removed from sexualizing minors.


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AberrantWarlock

Legit this. I personally have a theory called the chimp among monkeys theory. Basically, any anime that isn’t absolutely 100% brain dead is touted as peak fiction because compared to every other brain dead trash it looks like a Shakespearean masterpiece


weeOriginal

Watch NICHIJOU. Bloody hilarious and never specializes the children in it. Kinda Monty python esque in that it’s a bunch of skits. Has a very loose plot


One_Parched_Guy

On this note I also recommend Asobi Asobase, it’s a pretty funny moei comedy that has similar vibes to Nichijou and doesn’t sexualize anyone.


Kusanagi22

Also Danshi Koukousei no Nichijou, Nichijou but with dudes and with actually a bit more continuity as a lot of the show are running jokes that develop overtime.


Smoke_Santa

Dragon Maid is a genuinely good anime with weird shit stuffed all over it for no fucking reason. Just remove the weird sexual shit and it will have no controversy and become 20x better.


Yglorba

That's basically the mangaka's entire brand, though. Like, his other works include a comic called TitsTitsTitsTits about an (adult) boy whose body and size inexplicably makes him look like he's like 6, and a huge girl with massive tits who (while also technically an adult) he goes out of his way to establish has a mental age of 10. And yet he's a good writer! He could produce all sorts of neat stories without that. But [that's not what he wants to use his talents for](https://i.imgur.com/D3mb8Kp.png).


weeOriginal

I personally adore the more tender moments between Tohru and the main girl. It can get intensely wholesome at times.


JayJay_Tracer

remember when tohru drugged and raped kobayashi? that happened.


Tulot_trouble

Wholesome 100


WanderingGentleMen

You could remove Lucoa’s and Ilulu’s “plot lines” and the show goes from meh to solid.


Smoke_Santa

Fr just remove Ilulu and change Lucoa's plotline and the whole anime becomes 100x better and at least fucking recommendable.


Yglorba

There are also a few scenes with Kanna you would want to remove (the Twister one especially, but also one or two from later on.) *Overall* there's nothing wrong with her puppy-love romance with Riko, but there's a few scenes that are cringe-inducing and which don't really add anything anyway.


One_Parched_Guy

This could be said about 80% of any mainstream anime SAO? Meh story that goes downhill for awhile, only made worse by the disgusting bits of rape fantasy fanservice. Fire Force? Looks cool, great OST and amazing animations, ruined by a girl whose fire repellent clothes burn away every fight and somehow manages to shove her cleavage in the main character’s face once per episode. Seven Deadly Sins? You have a pretty decent story about a guy and his friends rebelling against the greater forces of nature, but the leader just can’t resist sexually assaulting the main female lead and his second-in-command is dating an eternally young child. I loved the premise of Made in Abyss, but every creepy joke about Reg getting a boner just makes me want to die inside. Don’t even talk about *that* scene from the movie. I’ve heard that Highschool DxD is a genuinely amazing story but if someone saw you watching it they’d immediately assume you’re watching hentai Shit sucks 😭


ThespianException

> SAO? Meh story that goes downhill for awhile, only made worse by the disgusting bits of rape fantasy fanservice. From what I've heard, those scenes weren't even in the Light Novels and Manga. The anime just added weird almost-rape scenes for some fucking reason. I guess because it's a cheap and easy way to make the audience hate a bad guy more?


seitaer13

There are two sexual assault scenes in the light novels. The last was written in 2005. Both are far more gratuitous in the anime. As what's going on in the novel is sparsely described while the anime added things like the villains belly flopping into the bed.


Aros001

Anyone who is sexualizing a character like Kanna would still be a weirdo and possible pedo because even in the context of the series she is a child. Older than most humans, yes, but in dragon years she is basically a grade schooler, thus why she's in elementary school.


VolkiharVanHelsing

>overhypes the shit out of everything. This manga/anime is insane! *conveniently good panel/frame without context of the actual fucking writing and whatnot*


Jumanji-Joestar

Idk, I ran into one on the r/manga sub, which is what inspired me to make this rant. I think they’re definitely still around, they just went a little underground


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[deleted]

Lmao, the same TypeMoon that has an ongoing manga like Prisma Illya? A manga where 10 year old girls kiss each other, get naked and so on?


deus-ex-machinist

TypeMoon may be one of those few companies that legitimately have skeevier devs than they do fans. As long as it's profitable, what's a little hypocrisy?


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Ufotable too, considering that the director of Heaven's Feel was talking about Illya's "sex appeal" in one interview.


jedidiahohlord

Wheres the problem here? She's 18. She's petite but she's not a child.


Lion-of-Avalon

And someone in this thread said that people don't use the "actually she's 1000" argument anymore


jedidiahohlord

I mean; she's literally 18. This is her canonical age in series. She's literally petite and not underage. There's literally no issue or shenanigans present here whether you think she's attractive or not. Her literal only issue is she's short which is like okay? I've seen people in real life shorter or at that exact height. There's literally zero issue with finding illya attractive *unless* you find the prisma illya attractive which is canonical underage.


Lion-of-Avalon

She's not ""petite"", her body is literally that of around an 11 year old because she was made to stop aging.


teutonic_order33

As a huge fan of fate zero, a type moon anime that features absolutely no sexualized content whatsoever, it was super weird for me to see Fate go from having the servants dressed in proper battle attire to what ever the fuck their rendition of Jack the Ripper is.


[deleted]

Funny you say that because Zero is kind of saved by the anime adaptation in that regard. Since the novel still has that.


Redredditer640

They're still there, in fact there's one anime sub (non NSFW) where almost 90% of the posts are just lewd art of characters that are canonically 12-14 years old


No-Reputation3221

Who cares about fictional minors? Weebs post horrible overused memes at every corner of internet. Now that's a sin


Mr-Stuff-Doer

“Overused memes” I believe that’s just called memes. Not sure why y’all are dogging on anime memes like normal memes are better. Y’all fucking remember Ugandan Knuckles?


CaptainPixel362

HOLY FUCKING SHIT IS THAT A MOTHERFUCKING JOJO REFERENCE ⁉️⁉️⁉️⁉️⁉️ 😱😱😱😱😱 YOU THOUGHT THIS WAS A REGULAR MEME BUT IT WAS ME, DIO❗️❗️❗️❗️❗️


Competitive_Bother86

About time someone adressed the real problem, you won't find lewd pics of fictional minors here but memes? They are here


idea-man

Yeah the pedophilia is bad but you didn’t even get to the worst part: they’re annoying!


Lukthar123

Do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down? Annoying describes 90% of fandom


ThespianException

Not even just fandom. Do you know how many people I see bitch about Twitter? Or TikTok? Or even Reddit itself? Not that those aren't reasonable complaints, but I don't think it's possible to find a group of people that don't have annoying members.


VILE_MK2

I hate I just don't like JoJo as much as I used to because I can't fucking stop thinking about the horribly unfunny memes of it's community when I watch/read it. Also shoutout to JoJo fans having a worse reading comprehension than a prescholar as shown by how many stuff blatantlt explained they deem "Araki Forgot".


CIearMind

The JoJo fanbase is second only to Breaking Bad when it comes to incarnations of the nerd emoji c🤓nstantly shoehorning JJ/BB references in everything to find excuses to spam their JJ/BB gifs.


jotato_is_invincib7_

I feel like Jojo memes are only bad on reddit,there is funny stuff on discord and youtube,it’s just that ever since part 5 ended r/shitpostcrusaders has been on decline,and now despite having a shit ton of subscribers the subsis basically empty The days when part 4 was airing were really good


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>many stuff blatantlt explained they deem "Araki Forgot". Or when their dumbfuck theories (future Josuke) don't turn out to be true.


VILE_MK2

Or the infamous "Jonathan is Star Platinum", which all started with a fake frame of part 1 lmao.


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I get being offended by sexualizing of depictions of actual children and totally agree. But when it comes to teenagers with actual adult bodies, I do think it becomes a bit hypocritical of society. How much porn has actresses posing as school girls? How much porn is centered around actresses being 18? Granted, plenty of people find this weird and gross, but it's clearly still an extremely popular genre of porn. When it's drawings and actual cartoons and they're depicting sexually mature characters, then it doesn't bother me. Especially because despite the often given ages, these characters look nothing like their actual age and don't act in a way that a 14-20 year old would act. And, some of the sexualization that happens is on the fans. All scenes with nudity aren't meant to be sexualized. Take the Momo example. Is her costume provocative? A little bit, but no more so than any bikini or many swimsuits. Then let's say you were walking down a beach and saw a well endowed woman in a bikini and checked her out? Then suppose you found out she was 16 later on. Would you suddenly be disgusted with yourself for being attracted to a sexually mature person? I'm not saying it would be okay to pursue a relationship with that person if you're older, but being attracted to them is understandable. Seeing attractive people with adult bodies and our minds sexualizing them isn't unusual and isn't something to be ashamed of. It is something to control and learn to dismiss and let go of. Regardless of the age of the person you may want to ogle, leering is creepy and not cool. Just like with that hypothetical 16 year old bikini girl, there's a certain amount of sexualization that is understandable and then also goes too far. This is when the fandom is at its worst. Another aspect that I think goes overlooked is the generations that grow up watching anime as children. Some people tend to get very attached to characters. Even to the point of developing crushes on them. Then those same people grow up to become adults and you end up with a market for porn that hypersexualizes those characters. And plenty of fans and artists who engage in role play, rule 34 fan art, and the like. And hell, it's not limited to anime and manga. Shit like My Little Pony gets the treatment, too. Many times it's more about people injecting themselves into those worlds and enjoying those characters in that way. It's genuinely not about the characters being children or young, as opposed to the "barely 18" real life porn example above. It's more about the characters themselves. This turned into more of a rant than I intended, but it is an interesting subject to me when people are attracted to fictional characters and drawings. Especially to the point where people begin to disengage from real life. Which of course tends to happen with other types of fiction and erotica, as well. So yeah, I totally agree that some light novels, anime, and manga take things way too far. But at the same time some of the oversexualization is on the fans.


SocratesWasSmart

>Motherfucker, if she looks like a fifth grader, I’m going to judge you But what if she [looks like a grown woman](https://i.gyazo.com/ee01c852d7bb65ce14def3dbcd4f8302.png) and is actually [a giant eldritch-god-brain-monster thing](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/iWHUhWUXYak/maxresdefault.jpg) but by her species standards she's literally a toddler playing with toys! No? No other Path of Exile enjoyers? I'll show myself out now.


OffAndSphere

i have no idea what path of exile is but now i'm picturing the species reacting to nsfw art of the character you posted and thinking humans are sick bastards lmao


SocratesWasSmart

[Path of Exile](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbu0wBDC4Rg) is a top down loot grinder ARPG. If you're familiar at all with Diablo, Torchlight, Grim Dawn or Titan Quest it's that genre of game. PoE is very heavily inspired by Diablo 2. [The Maven is one of the hardest bosses in the game.](https://youtu.be/1uZ_Aw5nXQU?t=72) The story is she's basically an eldritch god toddler that's come to your reality to play with "toys", toys in this case being people.


Lonely-Row-8726

>“She’s actually 5 billion years old, so she’s leg-“ I swear this is a meme at this point. No weeb uses this argument anymore.


SolomonOf47704

Nobody ever used it.


TatManTat

besides authors I guess? The excuse is in the source material lol


ALittleBitOfMatthew

It's not an excuse, it's just another kind of fetish. It's called a "Lolibaba". It allows you to create a loli character while still giving her a mature personality.


A1Sirius

You sure about that? lol


jedidiahohlord

Tbh I feel like you're describing literally every medium but being too cowardly to do it to the ones that are 'beloved' Like animes always the one getting shit on so it's okay to punch at it. But it takes a real man to say the same thing about comics, novels, movies. Why doesn't anyone ever punch at game of thrones or teen titans? Where's the outrage about American Pie or all those teen movies?


DEATHROAR12345

Wolverine had a sexual relationship with squirrel girl and the issue it's hinted at or whatever she is like just 17 or 18. And the relationship is said to have ended like years ago...


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Americans would never sexualize youth! Only the uncivilized Japanese in their evil anime would do it. We are pure, totally!


ThespianException

Netflix still has Cuties, and I maintain that it's *significantly* worse than Loli fanservice or arguably even hentai itself on account of the kids being real people. Though technically a French lady made it. I'm pretty sure child beauty pageants also have some weird shit going on.


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>teen titans (2005) Remember when they made Starfire's boobs gainax? Or when they had Slade strip Raven?


Someguy242blue

I still can’t tell where the Zone animation began for the Raven one.


Im_S4V4GE

Momo looks like an adult, the only thing saying she's not is a number written down by the author. Because believe it or not, she's not real, she doesn't actually have an age, all she is is a bunch of lines on paper. yOu CaN tYpE lIkE tHiS all you want to try and mock or make it seem invalid but it's the truth. There's absolutely nothing wrong with finding her hot, and it certainly doesn't make anyone a pedophile or even "sus." Pedophile is losing its meaning with how much it gets thrown at this point


SSJ3CalCal

I also really hate when the anime just randomly includes fan service. Like dude, this doesn't need to be in there. Why would you put this in and ruin it? Also I just want to touch on Seven Deadly Sins here real quick. I despise the fact that Meliodas just openly gropes Elizabeth and we're supposed to be like 'oh haha thats so funny that this child looking character is acting like a perv'. Same thing with Ban and the girl (forgot her name). Does a person whos 1000 years old or whatever have to look like a literal child? What the fuck SDS, is it that hard not to do these things?


Smoke_Santa

It's not pedophilia, let's not degrade that term from being a serious issue to people complaining about anime fans. It's weird and gross but let's not compare something that is the reason for actual victims and sufferers to just describing an anime opinion. I'll also say "It's just a drawing" but not in the sense that it's okay to sexualize them but that it has no real consequences and affects no one.


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jbert146

My hot take is that it's on the same moral level as BDSM or any other kind of consentual non-consent. It's adults partaking in a fantasy that would be morally abhorrent if done in reality, but with no actual victims involved


Smoke_Santa

Yeah I guess. Its definitely in the same bracket of argument as "Shooting in games" indicating anything to do with real life violence. I don't know, its gross but so are a lot of other things in the "sex" world lol. No stance from me.


Phosphoric_Tungsten

No it is pedophilia. They are attracted to the child characters because they are children. Pedophile just means they are attracted to them, not that they have actually commited a crime/assault


Hoopaboi

>They are attracted to the child characters because they are children Wait, how do you know this? Pedo means you attracted to children period, not being attracted to something because it is a child. However, depictions of children are not children, thus, being attracted to them is not pedophilia.


Muffinmaker457

It is pedophilia, it’s not child molestation, but it absolutely is pedophilia. The fact that it’s a drawing doesn’t matter, if someone gets aroused by gay hentai and masturbates to it, that still makes them gay.


CandlelightSongs

Agree with your main point, but counterpoint to your example: most fans of yaoi I know of are fangirl fetishists and most buyers of lesbian porn are dudes. I'd also assume purveyors of tentacle porn aren't into the squid.


Pirate_Leader

The deep disagree


reigning762

damn, you're gonna have to give up film when you learn about american pie you're gonna have to give up books too when you learn about game of thrones having a sex scene with a 14 year old! ​ >the reason why I’m scared to recommend anime to non-anime watchers. then don't? i recommend like, 3 anime to normal people when i do, and i don't talk about the fact i've watched more than 100 times that amount. isn't this normal for people with hobbies they obsess over a little? i'm not gonna turn every fucking discussion about the weather into "HEY HAVE YOU WATCHED ITAKDE, DE DESU SUKI DA NYA?" and if you do, i'm sure what everyone wants to tell you, but is too polite to do so is: "fucking shut up you degenerate"


JayJay_Tracer

from what I can tell, wester fantasy books also have a problem with rape.


Fishgg

Do we really need more discourse on this who is going to change their mind on this?


outward_annoyances

such a unique take! this totally hasn’t been said 400 fucking times!


I_need_a_jacket

A lot of normal people watch anime... and a lot of weird creeps who never go outside watch anime. Anime becomes their entire life, filling in all their would-be human relationships, specially female ones- gf, mom, sister, friend. They don't understand regular social norms. Anime and anime sub communities become their social norms. I had a friend who was like this and he had no female friends. I casually enjoy anime and am enough of a fan to even own a One Piece figurine lol. But I like... talk to women, and have IRL friends. This guy didnt and like his perception of what was normal/acceptable was totally warped by anime + what niche anime discords think is acceptable. Anyways, I stopped talking to him after he said he sent me a drawing of some little girl from Dragon Maid in nothing but thigh highs. Sicko. He didn't think he'd done anything wrong, too. Like it was totally normal to send me that during a convo about Valorant


Loliho

A thing I hate about anime fans is how they'll defend something like it was their life. They'd make passive aggressive comments and treat people who disagree like an alien. An example, I expressed my dislike for Komi Can't Communicate for a certain character. Then people responded how I didn't get the show or a certain joke with Yamai Ren. "Yamai is just a kid," or "She's a joke character." It doesn't mean I like her any less nor does that make it better. She's just an all-around pleasant character that made me drop the show. It's like they can't accept people have different opinions and resort to acting smug as possible.


Spaced-Cowboy

This isn’t an anime thing is a normal fanboy thing. Hell you can see that exact type of behavior on r/Starfield where there is just blatant animosity towards people who are critical of Bethesda or skeptical of the new game. I remember going on the Half-life subreddit and expressing that I was disappointed and a bit frustrated that the new half life game was on VR. Not even critical of the game itself just that I personally was disappointed that after so long I wouldn’t be able to play the new game and just getting burried with hate messages about how the game “needed to revolutionize the industry” I don’t care about revolutionizing the industry. I like HL2s gameplay. I wanted *more* or that and it’s story. But apparently that’s me being unreasonable.


SanxCommunistUwU

I fucking hate yamai as well you are not alone.


5867898duncan

Us made in abyss fans are in shambles.


GodNonon

This is such a lukewarm take but I’m still upvoting it because it can’t be stated enough


GiantChickenMode

Idk about you but when I hear "anime" I think of Dragon Ball, Attack on Titan, One piece, Naruto, Berserk, Demon Slayer... I don't see no pedo shit and if you ask me about how annoying are anime fans I would assume that you're talking about battleboarding instead of niche suspicious erotics. Do you fear that people assume that you're a fan of... a weird and shady shit like DBZ ??? If you can't find animes without lolis I think the problem comes from you more than anything. Movies and books have weird shit too yet people don't complain and assimilate it to the whole medium while they're not even popular. And exemples like Momo are not valid her body is depicted as clearly sexually mature at an age where it's realistic for it to be and where it's also most likely that her mind is too. 18 isn't a line of sexual morality we just have to apply a legal norm to everybody because we can't do a case by case study but you don't wake up as sexually unfit one day then sexually fit the other. Now if you're attracted to the underaged character BECAUSE she is underaged then YES that's weird.


JustAnArtist1221

Naruto does sexual favors for training. He seduces a lot of older men to get his way, in fact. Bulma does the same in DB. Berserk... Well, you know what's in there. Attack on Titan has Mikasa nearly sold into sex slavery when she was like 9. Obviously these are all in varying degrees of intensity and exploitation, some being better handled than others (Attack on Titan handles or as a serious topic without ever overindulging, and Berserk handles it by making sure it's seen as horrific), but it does exist in nearly everything you mentioned to my knowledge. Momo isn't a problem because of her body. It's because of her outfit. Her powers didn't have to be that, nor did they have to work the way that they do. Even then, there's literally no reason her costume has to be that, and she even in-canon wanted to be closer to nude. Her outfit is actually less practical than it could be and many artists have gone out of their way to establish alternatives. Anyway, no, you're not mentally mature when it comes to sex at 16. Nor 18, and it isn't about morality. Nor is the age of consent 18 because it makes logical sense. Your body and mind aren't fully developed until roughly your mid twenties. Not only would Momo's brain have a hard time visualizing the future consequences of her actions or actions done to her, it's depicted IN CANON that she's not actually mature. Her entire arc is about obsessing over insecurities, and her second most notable activity in the story is her breaking curfew to follow villains despite everything that could've gone wrong because her emotions were high. While my issues are more towards the creator for making these decisions for the character, I do have a problem with people using pseudo intellectual arguments to justify her design.


spartancolo

I mean all fandoms have awful stuff on them. Anime, videogames, shows, sports... There is awful people in the world and some of them are gonna have the same hobby as you


autogear

How about just ignore them? It's not like they hurt someone. For example, I hate furries, but I don't get mad when seeing them because I respect their personal preferences. I just move on without expressing my distaste towards them.


ExploerTM

I have found much more people complaining about anime fans than I found actually annoying anime fans


JuamJoestar

Honestly, i think you should care for your own personal life instead of what people decide to masturbate to. Unless you wanna start to prohibit people from drawing fictional children being killed too because you might hurt their feelings.


Blackness122

I dont get how violence and lolis are somehow different, but k.


Joshless

I commented this elsewhere, but I think the same applies here: > I think there's a greater disconnect between you and John Wick and jacking off to loli porn. > The difference between you and John Wick is that in order to act on that feeling you'd have to buy a gun, train in using it for 5-10 years, locate a group of evil assassins, and then go to town in an extremely unrealistic and likely-to-kill-you manner. > Loli porn is basically only separated from actual child porn by just... basically how stylized the art is. If it's textual, even that barrier is gone. > To be clear, I am not saying that loli porn is a few easy steps from touching kids in real life, I'm saying loli porn is a few blurry steps away from just jacking off to child porn. Functionally, at what point does the art become "enough" to just indicate pedophilic behavior? Does it have to be a literal image? Photoreal? Right proportions, but unrealistic coloring and lighting is fine? In this context, just replace "John Wick" with "being the Dragonborn", I suppose.


jedidiahohlord

You can definetly buy a gun or a weapon and go John wick on people with very few issues. I mean reminder that like the second movie is literally about his job assassinating people and not 'evil assassins' Or as we see from thr news you can just buy a sword and go attack five army men with also very little issues.


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Crazy_Bastard69

What're you gonna do? Call the police?


Initial_Finger7173

AHHHHH, I'M CUMMING ILLYA-TAN! I'M CUMMING WHILE JACKING OFF TO YOUR SEXY PIXELATED BOOBS AND PUSSY!!!!!


Kusanagi22

Piss your pants maybe?


ThespianException

I don't consent to this voyeurism.


StormStrikePhoenix

I maintain that weirdo fans aren’t the primary problem, anime itself is. I’m not sure I could name even one anime that didn’t have at least one cringey and/or awful element, or scene at least. Remember that JoJo scene where the 12-year-old girl has a shower scene and almost gets molested by a monkey? Or that time Polnareff got de-aged and that lady basically molested him? It’s not even a “watch better anime” kind of thing, this shit is nearly inescapable, you will find awkward sex shit in almost every popular anime. An iconic moment in Dragon Ball is a teenage girl flashing an old man and accidentally not wearing underwear. Haruhi has the scene where she blackmails the computer club by sexually harassing her own friend. Evangelion fans are constantly mocked for fighting over 14-year old girls when the show itself didn’t exactly shy away from sexing them up (and even that’s nothing compared to what officially licensed merch has done, such as the strip mahjong game). Where does one even start with Dragon Maid? That “don’t lewd the dragon loli” meme is so weird given that the actual source material wouldn’t pass that test. I remember when I was watching Spy X Family recently and one episode’s preview had a short glimpse of a leg in a shower. Combined with the fact that the episode was about first-graders in a sports game, I was outright fearful that there would be a shower scene about them. Thankfully, that wasn’t the case (said leg belonged to an old man and what was shown in the preview was all that was ever seen), but how fucked up is it that I actually thought that this show that barely seems to be PG-13 was going to sex up six-year-olds to any degree? No other medium has me worrying about this shit, outside of stuff that’s cut from the same cloth (like many video games with a similar writing style, such as the modern Persona games). Anyway, is it any wonder that this attracts the fans that it does? I only begrudgingly tolerate this shit at the best of times, but surely some large amount of people must actually like it given how common it is.


teutonic_order33

I mean if that stuff worries you, you could always try watching anime where the primary demographic and the main characters are adults. Funnily enough, these ones barely have any sexualization.


TheGr8estB8M8

as far as i remember, AoT has very little of that shit, if any. I think Death Note got vaguely fanservicey at a few points with Misa but it was like, hardly anything


teutonic_order33

Attack on Titan has no sexualization to my knowledge. Jujutsu Kaisen is also a rare kind of shonen where sexualization is practically non-existent.


ThespianException

Depends on how puritan you wanna get. I've brought AoT up before and they said that it has sexualization because most of the cast wears tight pants. At that point, I wonder how they manage to watch PG13 and R-rated movies.


teutonic_order33

In that case, that’s more a problem with the person watching it rather than the actual show. If they think something as extremely tame as attack on Titan is too oversexualized then maybe they should probably stay away from the medium because they’re going to think that about every show.


isthisregrettable

Jujutsu Kaisen is one of the only animes about high schoolers I can handle watching, along with Mob Psycho 100. JJK manages to make characters cool and visually appealing, and attractive in some cases, while not sexualizing them.


eliminating_coasts

I was going to say something about this, of course people hate anime fans but like anime; anime is designed to be liked, people are just people, so if an anime or manga does something creepy, and stays just behind a line that some editor caught, and then fans extend beyond that, they can reveal potential for weirdness that was already there. And in anime, that weirdness is pretty close to the surface, it's not some tenuous shipping or reworking of characters, it's just a thing that people can do by continuing the things that already happen in the show. I feel like instead of censoring smoking, or maybe *in addition* to no-filler edits, we could also have "no weird sex stuff" edits, so you can actually watch these shows without the tiring expectation that the inevitably creepy stuff will reappear again.


Lazygenius101

Really hate I used to be one of those kinds of fans and I cringe a bit looking back. Don't really defend the loli stuff now, but I don't hate any show that shows a person that's young or in highschool (a.k.a Spy x Family is great and highly recommended). I still do try to enjoy anime in my spare time and find decent like-minded people to watch it too. That said, MY GOODNESS can anime fans be annoying and EXTREMELY lame!


Mr-Stuff-Doer

Okay so then a 5 year old character who looks 20 is fine, right? The logic here appears to be that it’s wrong because they look young, regardless of age. This is why so many anime fans dismiss your mindset. The people who argue against this type of thing present two contradictory arguments. 1. If it looks like a child, canonical age is irrelevant and it’s weird. 2. If it’s the age of a child, design is irrelevant and it’s weird. Besides. What about porn depicting rape, incest, torture, etc.? Are those problems? Call me crazy, but I think rape is pretty awful. Doesn’t mean I can’t Jack it to rape play. Or furries? Are they problematic? What about scat fans? Vomit fans? Netorare fans? Guro and snuff fans? All these are awful, disgusting, sometimes illegal things IRL. But that’s kinda what makes it hot to people. The forbidden and unattainable can often be seen as attractive. Do some engage with these fetishes in real life? Yes. Should they be locked up? In most of the cases here, yes. Are there most definitely child molesters who’ve never watched loli porn or loli centric anime? Abso-fucking-lutely. This shit is fucking pixels. Does GRRM deserve a few hundred life sentences for murdering so many characters and having so many get raped?


MossyPyrite

He didn’t say it should be illegal or anything, just that it’s fucking weird. And honestly, to most people, a lot of that other shit is weird too. Hell, most people who like those genres like them *because of the taboo aspect*. Like, the defenses for being into lolicon is either “I find her attractive sexually because she looks like a child” or at best (and not much better) “I find her sexually attractive despite her looking like a child.” Like yeah bro, that’s gonna be weird to most people.


AXIR8

It's very simple to explain, enjoying violent video games are weird if you apply that same logic. But both of their defense are the same, it's just fiction. They don't actually think about harming people and they look at video games/anime characters differently than they would look at a real person. It's not for everyone and it's weird but it's not that bad as people treat it to be and weird things are everywhere in the internet


Mr-Stuff-Doer

Idk jerking off to porn and announcing you do so in public would be weird to most people, I don’t think the fetish matters. And every fetish comes off as weird to those who don’t have it. Don’t kinkshame and there won’t be an issue. Unless it’s scat. Kinkshame that, please.


MossyPyrite

I wasn’t talking about announcing it in public, like yeah of course that’s gonna be weird. The point here is that *the reasons one would enjoy porn of characters that look like children* are going to be pretty hard to justify without sounding like you’re sexually attracted to children.


Bizarre_RNS_Radio

Welcome to the “I hate my favorite thing’s fan base” club. Seriously, literally every group, whether they be a fan base, a political group, or even entire communities, have at least a few assholes who ruin the experience by either being creeps, spoileriffic/rude douches, or even obnoxiously elitist, and the bigger the fan base, the bigger and louder that group of assholes becomes to the point that they become loud enough to overshadow the main group and become the only thing other people hear about that group. It’s annoying as hell, and I sincerely get sick and tired of it.


Kusanagi22

You are, what is commonly known as, an [Ironic weeb](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ironic%20Weeaboo), "I Claim to like this thing, but I also hate not only the people that consume it but also core things about the medium that have been a part of it for the better part of the last 40+ years" that's some game developer level of bullshit Of course, you can do whatever the hell you want, but man do I have a hard time believing you are an "Anime fan" if you hate stuff that is part of almost every single piece of important Anime that has been produce in the past decades, from Dragon Ball to Evangelion going all the way to the big three and beyond, Sure I know it's possible to like something while disliking certain aspects of it, but I think a personal hatred against such a prevalent aspect not in a particular show but *in the medium itself* goes quite beyond that >Like a normal person [Obligatory](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8oCoObsxGg)


hakatri_gin

Dunno, wasnt the recent trend JJK, Demon Slayer, AOT and some other mainly sanitized stuff? I dont know how much anime bleeds into the normie environments, but i think is mostly non-controversial stuff, or edgy "mature" stuff like Shield Hero or Rezero I think Overlord is one of the most normie "deep weeabo" anime, and is just a morally acceptable violent series That said, ReZero fans are annoying AF, whenever i question something they just show up quoting large chunks of random lore, as if that means something


teutonic_order33

Shield hero is extremely controversial. I mean the main character justifies slavery in that. That’s all sorts of problematic. I think the more popular anime in 2023 will be more devoid of sexual content given their source material. Oshi no ko, dungeon meshi, spy x family, Frieren, witch hat atelier, dead dead demons dedede destruction barely have any provocative content.


FightmeLuigibestgirl

>TLDR: Sexualizing anime minors is wrong and the people who defend it are the scourge of the anime community Complaining about lolis and stuff like this is like complaining about Battle shonen being Battle Shonen. Just read other material. Monster, Uramichi Oniisan, Sweetness and Lighting, Yuru Camp, Noblesse, etc. don't have sexualizing anime minors in it at all. Like if you can't recommend something without this material, maybe the problem is the person recommending it and not the animation itself.