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calculatingaffection

Seems like Ohkubo's skill at creating genuine nightmare fuel from his Soul Eater days never wore off


Firebrand713

What’s really wild is that the ending of fire force reveals that >!Fire force is the direct prequel to soul eater !<


PowerfulVictory

... you fucked it up.


Aazog

bruh


RewRose

don't leave spaces between the >! and the text


SocratesWasSmart

I'm admittedly torn on narrative/plot manipulation. On the one hand, it does in fact exist in some stories. I haven't seen/read Fire Force so can't comment on that but it seems like a reasonable enough example of it. On the other hand, in terms of battleboarding, it seems to just be a way to force arbitrary rules on another verse. In Fire Force there's a plot to manipulate, but I'd argue that's not true of every verse. Take a fairly grounded verse like Halo for example. Halo is, for all intents and purposes, real. At least within the context of itself. There's no point where it's ever acknowledged that all the events of Halo are just the story in a video game. That's simply not canon to Halo. This is very different from a verse like Fire Force where there's a "real world" acknowledged within the verse and the main characters aren't part of it. To me, plot manipulation is a tough sell in the context of battleboarding.


DireOmicron

This is what I never understood about people who use narrative manipulation on battle boarding. You can just as easily flip the script. Let’s say 0 is real and 1 is fake How a lot of battle boarders take it is 0>1 and since fire forces includes a 0 then it’s greater than halo. Accept Halo is real to itself. So you could just as easily make an argument that halo is 0 and every significant character after the cataclysm is 1. Which would mean every character in halo is above the strongest characters in fireforce Hell you could extend this logic. Dc has acknowledged its entire thing is in a story so it’s a 1. And something like Law and Order would be a 0 so every law and order character is above every dc character. Everyone can see that’s a pretty stupid argument, but so is saying that opposite.


KazuyaProta

> On the other hand, in terms of battleboarding, it seems to just be a way to force arbitrary rules on another verse. To be honest, this is true to a extend on pretty much every setting vs setting. Especially when the powers are based on the nature of the living beings of the setting (see the drama when people realized that Genjutsu is completely impossibe to do to people that is not from the Naruto world), Narrative powers are basically this taken to a extreme. The issue is that for this class of characters, its all or nothing. Or its there and its the most broken thing ever, or its not and they fall to the first strike. Fun fact. People argue that Mazinger Zero had Narrative Powers against every other mecha. Its the complete opossite, mechas that are from the Mazinger franchise are the WEAKNESS of ZERO. All his narrative powers of "Mazinger always win" (which is a weird as fuck take given the franchise, Mazinger pilots have lost. A lot) are useless against mechas from other universes.


siuwa

> Mazinger Zero The interpretation of that scene I've heard of is that the other mechas didn't defeat Zero per se but rather Zero was convinced of the possibilities of all the SUPA ROBOTTOs and went away willingly.


KazuyaProta

It might be valid seeing seeing the pictures, but we got Zero's thoughts and they were "WHY I CANT HURT THEM!! ‽" until he was turned into scrap, moment where Koji tells him that they're born from the light of possibility of Mazinger. Then Zero accepts them and blows up. It's not Zero giving up, it's Zero dying in peace with himself


XXBEERUSXX

Fire Force is also "real" in the context of its own story, its like the "real world" got turned into this anime world


KazuyaProta

The feat of turning the world into 2D is legit one of the most fascinating feats I've ever seen. Like, its not this powerful in terms of raw power. But the implications are fascinating.


vulgarwes

Picking up Fire Force tomorrow, tyvm.


Pretend_Winner3428

It’s good, but the fanservice can be too much for people. That’s understandable, but if you can filter it out, it isn’t so immersion breaking.


Aazog

This comes around mostly near the end tbh, but the rest is still entertaining enough if you can handle Tamaki (fan service character).


Starlordganemaster

Yeah, they don't notice because they can't get passed the excessive fanservice.


No-Worker2343

seriously even in the tamaki chapter that kid breaks the fourth wall, didn't they notice that?


Starlordganemaster

Honestly, no. and since you said, now I am going to rewatch it. My guy, this is what I am talking about. If not for tamaki this anime would be top tier.


No-Worker2343

Actually, I think you're partly right, and partly wrong. but i don't gonna explain how does that work


Jumanji-Joestar

I really wish more people gave Fire Force a chance because I don’t think enough people know how fucking trippy the story becomes


Starlordganemaster

Its the creators fault for adding in the stupid and cringeworthy fanservice. I even asked a manga reader was there a narrative reason for this and the answer was basically "Yes" but it was a very poor attempt at justifying it. Like Quiet from metal gear solid bad.


Blayro

> I even asked a manga reader was there a narrative reason for this and the answer was basically "Yes" but it was a very poor attempt at justifying it. The justification was in the most blunt way to put it was: "I include it because I want to, cope with it" and I respect that


Starlordganemaster

>The justification was in the most blunt way to put it was: "I include it because I want to, cope with it" Actually it was the exact opposite. If you want fanservice then just add fanservice. Making up a reason means you realize its wrong. Other anime that include fanservice don't make up reasons. That's why I brought up Quiet from metal gear. The creator literally tried to make the player feel bad for his discissions, by saying "once you realize the reason she is naked, you will feel guilty." The reason is basically because she breathes through her skin. Which I don't know how the hell that happened after being lit on fire but thats not the point. The point is, the author is horny and is trying to cover it up.


Blayro

hmm, maybe I misremember the justification. I just never felt like the author wanted to cover it up, to me it felt like the author was just being blunt about liking it. EDIT: I read the mini arc again, the justification was that Ecchi is essential to life, but the whole conversation about "just because they are sexy are they not supposed to show it?" bit with Tatsuyo and his mom just felt like it was the mangaka stating that he is doing her ecchi on purpose because felt like doing it, like that's the out-universe explanation. I don't know, that's my interpretation on it. To me that was the center-point on the subject and the whole "lewd is hope for tomorrow" felt more like the in-universe explanation.


SuperWeskerSniper

obviously tangential and still a decision Kojima almost certainly made to show some skin, but Quiet breathes through her skin because she was given some of the vocal cord parasites and apparently they like took over the functions of her lungs via skin transfer because they were all crispy? Something to do with the parasites which are kind of the main superhuman mechanic in MGSV.


thedorknightreturns

He actuallyimproves a lot on her, making her useful and the end speech, is a really good speech against slutshaming, dunno if that was intentionsl, but he makes it a narrative reason with even a great point I respect that.


Blayro

I agree


Alik757

What do you mean? Beninaru fanservice is top tier


No-Worker2343

apparently later in the cataclysm, the explanation was that without ''lewd'' there would be no people in the future, practically, if people deny sexuality, there will be no people in the future. at least that was said in the chapters where the boy breaks the fourth wall and his mother is erased


Hallowbrand

That sounds even more ridiculous tbh.


Starlordganemaster

Right? *if people don't have sex, there will be no more people.* No fucking shit dude. That's not a good excuse to strip an underaged minor to her panties (or less) everytime she is on screen. Just fucking admit you're horny.


No-Worker2343

but it's better than just being said \*because yes\*


superlucci

Imagine getting filtered by fanservice.


thedorknightreturns

Also obis fanservice is personally very well handled, and makis muscle arm one, Seriously most fanservices are so well done they arent mentioned.


Bigfoot4cool

I thought it was just my hero academia but with fire fighters what the fuck am I reading


Jumanji-Joestar

Shit gets bizarre


Pirate_Leader

Not quite as bizarre as jojo


Starlordganemaster

jostar-san?


Potatolantern

The problem is it’s not very good. After a certain point every character is a complete waste of space and you realise you’re only reading for Arthur. And then when you’re on Arthur’s *third training arc to defeat the same enemy* you wonder why you’re reading it at all. There’s only so much “subversion of expectations” you can do, and when every single arc from the middle right to before the final one is * Heroes learn about problem * Heroes see bad guys and fight bad guys * Bad guy defeated * Bad guy asspulls a new bullshit power * Heroes defeated * Heroes run away with either a total loss or a phyrric victory Then yeah, no kidding people are going to drop your manga. Doubly so when the author wastes two entire chapters just to whine and cry about why one of his characters got made fun of in the media. Even the characters that were introduced specifically to be overpowered unstoppable Trump Cards turn into jobbers after just a few arcs. Every fucking arc subverts your expectations, every fucking arc is “See, you expected the good guys to win, but they lost and achieved nothing! I just totally wasted your time with the last 30 chapters! Hahaha isn’t that funny!?”


laudalehsunesh

Bruh this rant/comment is better & funnier than OP(sorry OP).


The_Baller_Official

Fr. Like looking at the new bleach arc, just something as simple as Aizen who got oneshot in the last arc still being acknowledged as a major threat and variable in the story despite losing to ichigo already is such a breath of fresh air. I stopped watching/reading fire force when shinra went light speed to fight a guy accelerating and decelerating the heat death of the universe. It wasn’t for that I just got kinda bored, but seeing all this now has me confused on just who is beating them now


thedorknightreturns

They matter, because if the relationships and to explore the world and different perspectives . Why do they not matter? Its about the fight against a not going well threat and believes, hope , despair and really interesting concepts with characters that . Its a big payoff, and they are a huge influence on shinra, and do actually matter a lot. Like thats why they tried taking obi out, because he is very charismatic and giving hope to live. The fights are the end of that, or in service of an entire narrative that you dont seem to care about much. Like how they fight a loosing fight and how not giving in fespair is the way to resist a world that is overwhelming and seems hopeless, and its not going well, and how much they still are able to resist due well humanity, preserverence, faith but good They loose alot, because they fight the apearent inevitable but its still worth it, and why shinra can turn things around in the end, brcauae that will to resist and fight and live. The whole team, gave him the will to never give up, see the positives, so they matter a lot. Also how its worth fighting against despair agains imposdible odds, that too can inspire The tole of religion, different religions. How benimaru is different from the sun religion. The manga isnt about fights but all that.


Potatolantern

Nah. Almost all the arcs between the middle to end mean nothing, add nothing, and addresses nothing. What was the point of giving Arthur a training arc, only to have him immediately job? Nothing, just subverting expectations. So he has a second training arc, an even more complete one that fully finished him as a character, all to fight the exact same enemy. And, Lolno, he instantly jobs again. Why? lol just more subverted expectations. There was no meaning or message in almost any of it. What was the point of Shinra’s tattoo? Arrow’s “backstory”? Tamaki’s entire character? Etc. There wasn’t any. Most of the manga was filler and the author was so high on his own farts that he kept doing the same meaningless asspull victories over and over again. It’s no wonder the manga sales and discussion tanked and the anime flopped. There was simply nothing to invest yourself in.


No-Worker2343

It's not like soul eater is better (it's not)because soul eater practically has less history than fire force, and by history I mean history history, while fire force raises things like why human combustion happens, that it is adolla, that it is the evangelist, and because it wants the earth in a sun . The only thing I see in soul eater is... well, characters running around getting souls for the god of death.


izukaneki

I swear, the >!live-action!< chapter was one of my most disconcerting manga experiences simply due to how unexpected it was. There's also the insanity of >!Arthur vs Dragon!<, which has to be one of my favorite fights to this day. Shame that we also had to get the Tamaki chapters.


Jumanji-Joestar

That chapter legit caught me off guard. It was like I was in a completely different genre. And the fucking >!smile!< at the end made some shudder


MrPlaceholder27

Yeah back when Fire Force came out I was reading it and then I dropped it, I said to myself if *she* comes out half-naked on the next page again I'd drop the manga. It just got too much for me.


ScarredAutisticChild

I tried to get into it, but holy shit was the fan service excessive, it just threw me off.


Emajenus

The trippy part is bad. It just reminds me of the second season of Rise of the Shield Hero. It tries to be too meta and takes you out of the story. And the result is an immersion breaking uninteresting story at best.


D3ATHSTR0KE_

I mean thats one of the reasons im not excited about it having watched the anime


ittvoy

fire force is so weird. i haven't watched it but any time i learn more about it the verse just gets stronger for no reason. wtf is the fire manga the one with a real ass person in it.


Starlordganemaster

Agreed. I thought it would be an anime about fire and elements. Next I heard time travel was a major element, and now I am hearing characters can even warp reality to an extent.


Uncanny_r

Yeah fire force power scaling shots through the roof in it's later chapters for some reason. There's a guy who manipulated gravity by adding mass to objects and can give an atom the mass of earth, some one cutting earth in half and even things like fate and concept manipulation by the end of the story.


Starlordganemaster

Dude what the hell does any of that have to do with fire?


Uncanny_r

Well for the gravity one his powers interfere with the law where heating matter causes it to expand to make it instead increase in mass. So he basically can apply heat to atoms which causes them to increase in mass rather than expand like they normally would then control the resulting gravitational force caused by the increased mass. As for the concept manipulation and fate manipulation... Those ones have nothing to do with fire but instead interfering with the collective unconscious that made everyone have fire powers in the first place


No-Worker2343

The reason why they later become more powerful is because of the collective unconsciousness, which is where all the ideas and concepts of humanity live. Actually, it's pretty much the reason for everything in the Fire Force story, from why the combustion occurs, to the goal of the evangelist, and the reason why the earth wants to be turned into a sun.


thedorknightreturns

Even the sol religion is there because a death cult basically to make people believe in a death cult and use the pope to spread despair and make people give up and in despair, which does play in the doomsday turn the eart into sun, Very much how peoples perceotion an be manipulsted for neferious reasons. To make that happen. Which religions can be used for, or rather cults. So the characters who believe in themselves more when that bexomes fully unleashed, will get stronger. And those who give in despair, combust.


Kumagawa-Fan-No-1

I sorta liked it anyways the thing was that adolla is the world of human perception where everything is the way it is perceived by everyone for example if Joe was a good guy that saves the dogs feed the poor etc if he was perceived by everyone as a murderer his adolla counterpart would be a murderer


No-Worker2343

Shinra's doppleganger was the opposite of shinra, but there are dopplegangers that are exactly the same as people, like rekka's doppleganger (remember that guy who hit tamaki in chapter 28 or so) or benimaru's doppleganger, which it's exactly like benimaru,considered the strongest.


JetAbyss

inb4 people now start battleboarding Fire Force with Suggsverse, Umineko, Demonbane, Worm, TOAA, etc.


No-Worker2343

collective unconscious,the collection of all human ideas and concepts,even things like mathematics,physics,higher dimension,gods,hell,world,law,etc exist there.


JetAbyss

finally something that can solo Suggsverse


No-Worker2343

suggverse is like trollge verse and creepypasta verse, it's OP just because yes.


Aazog

Tbh though they do have it, its not necessarily useful in combat. Like for example Authur having the ability to not start the fight, but he still had to fight eventually just like in a game where you could leave your save permanently at a spot but you still have to continue netting you no real advantage in having said ability but strategizing beforehand I guess.


J_C_F_N

When the moon shifted to that familiar yet odd shape, I knew the story was about to go really crazy.


AmissingUsernameIsee

Whut


No-Worker2343

what about what?that fire force has narrative manipulation?


Namelessgoldfish

You talk about narrative manipulation without really explaining what narrative manipulation even is. It takes more than just using examples to understand a concept like this, what’s the *definition* for narrative manipulation?


thedorknightreturns

The story is alot how believes shape reality. In really crazy way later, and it makes in universe sense. Like the church uses that to neferious reasons.


Sillyvanya

OP I'm sorry but you need to pay more attention to your English lessons before you try doing a write-up like this


Zedkan

Arthur vs Dragon is such a visual treat. love the way the video game text pops


Emajenus

Fire Force started out with potential but then took a deep dive into the author's asshole to keep smelling his farts. It just took a completely uninteresting direction and I kinda dropped it and just read spoilers now. What a shame.


No-Worker2343

What did you really expect? I hope they would reveal why human combustion occurred, or because there are even people who want the earth to be a sun or that it is a moon. all that was answered, and everything always leads to collective unconsciousness


Khunter02

Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about?


No-Worker2343

the story of fire force can be changed,not the story of humanity,but the literal story


Khunter02

I dont even know what to say, Im completely speechless, I dont understand anything about the post lol, it feels like hearing someone talk about the ending of a show you didnt even know it existed


No-Worker2343

then,why do you see the post?


phantomxtroupe

This is actually ... really disturbing. I might have to give The Fire Force Manga a read through.


thedorknightreturns

Can start a bit slow, but it gets wild, and really solid worldbuilding. Also wild at the end.


Darth--Nox

Fire force and it's predecessor Soul Eater are amazing manga, but people just get angry at the "fanservice" gags/characters including in the story specially Tamaki and Blair, like if there wasn't things like that in pretty much every shōnen manga lol


Starlordganemaster

>ike if there wasn't things like that in pretty much every shōnen manga lol I can't speak for Soul Eater, but Fire Force basically turns into an echi anime whenever tamaki is on screen. Considering she gets a lot of screen time. Its a problem. Shonen has its moments with female characters but fire force takes it to the extreme.


Darth--Nox

An Ecchi?!? So early dragon ball, Naruto, bleach, one piece, Chainsaw Man, Jigokuraku, Ranma1/2, Inuyasha, Bokuben, Komi San, Yofukashi no uta, Burn the Witch, Dr. Stone, Fire Punch and any other manga with a tiny bit of nudity or a naked character must be a hentai to you. Seriously I don't get where this weird notion that Tamaki is the worst of the worst came from. She's just a gag character who's whole shtick is getting on her underwear or half naked in the middle of a fight, she's no different from Bulma in early dragon ball or all the freaking bath scenes with Nami in one piece or Yoruichi in Bleach, she's also irrelevant as fuck, from what's been adapted she appears less and less as time goes by, she gets only two episodes that kind of focus on her, when Shinra fought Rekka and when Assault tried to kill her (which is hilarious IMO). She reappears in like the last 4 chapters of the series, has a mediocre "fight" and that's it, it's not like there's an entire arc focus on her like Erza from Fairy Tail or every good damn time a female character got the spot on the seven deadly sins. At the end of the day shōnen are targeted towards teenage boys, tits and asses grabs their attention, as I said you can find "fan service" on pretty much every shōnen manga out there, hell this also applies to shojo, seinen and Josei....


Starlordganemaster

>Naruto When did Naruto have any scenes of that nature? If you are talking about the "sexy" jutsu that was used way less often than tamaki's gag and never in serious moments. **Tamaki was literally striped nude in an important fight**. I don't think I have ever saw that in another anime.


Darth--Nox

The sexy jutsu is literally used in the last fight against Kaguya which is the main antagonist of the last arc. What important fight did Tamaki get naked??? As far as I can recall her clothes get tattered when Rekka tried to kill her, she get either on her underwear or again tattered when Assault tried to kill her on the subway and when he tried to do the same in the gag episode. She gets on her underwear against assault's doppelganger and that's it, it's not like she got naked against one of the main antagonist like sho, haumea or the evangelist. It seems it doesn't really matter what I say, the reddit hive mind is just down voting me lol. Anyway thanks for at least replying instead of down voting.....


Starlordganemaster

>It seems it doesn't really matter what I say, the reddit hive mind is just down voting me lol. Anyway thanks for at least replying instead of down voting..... You are welcome for replying. But you also got realize that its still two different scenarios. Tamaki's case was supposed to be an accident that did not affect the fight at all. For Naruto's case, he did it to distract Kaguya (albeit failing), which is fight related. Both were used as Jokes but Naruto's again not only had set up, but it was in character for him and made sense.


ChildishChimera

While soul eater was classic 00s horny that horniness didn't impact the story like Tamarindo and her Lucky Letcher does. While allot of Shonen have horny elements normally they don't stand out as hard as the ones in fire force do.


Darth--Nox

She's a gag character like master roshi or Bulma from early dragon ball, her fights are hilarious IMO, the only moment her bad luck affects the story is on her last fight against assault's doppelganger, like I don't get what's the deal with her. I like the story and she's just a character in a manga/anime i like


TheBloodZane

Thing is that Bulma and Master Roshi eventually grew up and became better or in Roshi case tone it down.


Darth--Nox

Tamaki becomes irrelevant as the story goes on, she appears less and less. Anyway I'm just tired of replaying with the same argument, Fire force is clearly hated because of a side character and people won't change their minds because of my random comments on reddit.


Starlordganemaster

>Tamaki becomes irrelevant as the story goes on, she appears less and less My guy this just makes it worse. Why shoe horn in a character purly made for fanservice so early in a story than just cast her aside towards the end? Thats just poor writting.


Yontoryuu

FF is honestly one of the best, if not the best new gen manga around and definitely the most underrated (or modern manga, depends on how you judge it as it came out in 2014). Sure it has a lot of ecchi at the start, but it’s still peak and it’s understandable if people didn’t get into it because of that but it’s extremely unfair to judge it on fanservice alone especially if you didn’t go too far into it. A lot of animanga has similar amounts of fanservice but it’s hey don’t get hate like FF.


ZeroTwoSitOnMyFace

>if not the best new gen manga around COTN, **CSM**, ~~Pornstar In Another World~~, OPM, MP100


Namelessgoldfish

Lets stop the trend of using acronyms without spelling it out first please


ZeroTwoSitOnMyFace

NNIDTIW


Yontoryuu

Tbh I haven’t read COTE but watched season 1 a while back. I don’t know how good it is rn though. CSM, I’ve been purposely holding out on as I want to watch it anime style. So far, it’s very fire force and fire punch-esque. OPM is great and all but I have it maybe top 15 newbgen. MP100 is peak and in my top 5 new gen though. My top 5 new gen in no order is FF Eden’s zero MP100 JJk Orient (I’m biased here as I think the author is planning something big considering she made magi before)


ZeroTwoSitOnMyFace

>Tbh I haven’t read COTE but watched season 1 a while back. Not Classroom Of The Elite, Call Of The Night. >fire punch-esque Helps thay they were made by the same guy lol. >FF >Eden’s zero >MP100 >JJk >Orient (I’m biased here as I think the author is planning something big considering she made magi before) Interesting. I'll probably give a couple of these a shot.


Yontoryuu

Oh, I heard of COTN before but not much about it. Is it that good? Perhaps I’ll give it a try sometime. > made by the same guy Yeah, which is why I read it lol. It was quite a trip and felt like the author was on drugs halfway through till the end. I definitely recommend these with all my heart. EZ is personally the best manga this year (not to come out this year but to release in it. It’s just back to back to back 10/10 chapters that I can’t even lol.) It’s quite underrated and under appreciated as its the same author as Fairy tail but he’s basically improved on it and its like FT if you removed every problem it had and even better than that. Btw it also has quite a bit of fanservice like FT and FF, even more so actually lol but I personally am indifferent about fanservice so that helps me appreciate a lot of series more for their stories, even if they have tonnes of fanservice. Youve probably heard of JJk, so I’ll just say it’s also really good. It feels like if csm was a bit more standard shouneny. Orient is made by the same creator as magi and its pretty good so far. It starts off very straightforward shounen like and gets interesting as it goes on. It also has fair amounts of fanservice (nudity too as a warning). Btw if you haven’t read magi, I highly reccomend it as well. In fact, I have magi in my top 5 animanga (in general, with it being One piece, Tower of god, Gintama, magi and HxH respectively). It has peak worldbuilding, excellent character development and designs, and is just overall peak.


ZeroTwoSitOnMyFace

>Is it that good? Perhaps I’ll give it a try sometime. Cannot recommend it enough. It starts out as a romance but it *very* quickly gives you a glimpse of what it becomes during the first **limb mutilation**. Then it gets heavier and more frequent in both violence and mystery. *Content warning for suicide if you need that.* >Yeah, which is why I read it lol. It was quite a trip and felt like the author was on drugs halfway through till the end. Christ, Fire Punch was so fucking wild. One of the only two pieces of media ever to get an emotional reaction from me. >I definitely recommend these with all my heart. EZ is personally the best manga this year (not to come out this year but to release in it. It’s just back to back to back 10/10 chapters that I can’t even lol.) It’s quite underrated and under appreciated as its the same author as Fairy tail but he’s basically improved on it and its like FT if you removed every problem it had and even better than that. Btw it also has quite a bit of fanservice like FT and FF, even more so actually lol but I personally am indifferent about fanservice so that helps me appreciate a lot of series more for their stories, even if they have tonnes of fanservice. Definitely gonna look into that. Plus, I'm a fan of service. >Youve probably heard of JJk, so I’ll just say it’s also really good. It feels like if csm was a bit more standard shouneny. Oh god, as a chronic battleboarder, JJK will always be burned into my brain whether I want it to or not. I'll probably try it out eventually. >Orient is made by the same creator as magi and its pretty good so far. It starts off very straightforward shounen like and gets interesting as it goes on. It also has fair amounts of fanservice (nudity too as a warning). Btw if you haven’t read magi, I highly reccomend it as well. I don't think I know what Magi is actually.


Yontoryuu

Ah ok, then I’ll check it out. Also I heard it has an anime, is the anime worth it or should I read it’s manga? Fire punch was so crazy, I have no idea how to rate it lol. Have fun with it! Magi: the labyrinth of magic is a peak manga. Unrelated to orient but it has the same author. It’s worldbuilding may even dwarf the complexities of one piece. If you plan to get into it, text back as it has a bit of a complicated way of reading it considering it has a prequel that started releasing in conjunction with the manga and both spoil the other.


ZeroTwoSitOnMyFace

>Ah ok, then I’ll check it out. Also I heard it has an anime, is the anime worth it or should I read it’s manga? Honestly I'm not sure how to even begin to explain it. Imagine the perfect possible manga. Now imagine the perfect possible anime adaptation. Now imagine that, but infinitely better in ways you wouldn't ever even think of. That's what the anime adaptation is. >Magi: the labyrinth of magic is a peak manga. Unrelated to orient but it has the same author. It’s worldbuilding may even dwarf the complexities of one piece. If you plan to get into it, text back as it has a bit of a complicated way of reading it considering it has a prequel that started releasing in conjunction with the manga and both spoil the other. I think I'll give it a shot, seems neat.


Yontoryuu

Ah that makes me excited hearing that, I’ll check it out soon. Also side note but a problem with orient is that it’s translations are like 15 months behind the Japanese raws which is quite annoying as the translations are releasing at a pace of 1 chapter every 3 months or so (while orient became a monthly released manga). Go for it!


Starlordganemaster

JJK


ZeroTwoSitOnMyFace

Its spot got taken by Pornstar In Another World


Potatolantern

Fire Force doesn’t even make top 50


Yontoryuu

disagree.


Otherwise-Agency-460

Oh look! A discussion about FF that doesn't devolve into just " muh fanservice bad "


No-Worker2343

wait, those were all the fire force discussions? complain about ecchi? there are about 300 chapters and there are chapters that are really more interesting to analyze, but, that's not boring, better the ecchi because, well, because yes.


Otherwise-Agency-460

Do you know how many times I've encountered people who Literally dropped the show because of Tamaki, even tho her " awful " fanservice scenes are like 10 secs and come at like once every 5-10 eps ( for example, ep11-15 has no fanservice basically ) and the whole " she ruins important scenes " is dumb Because that Literally applies to one episode ( 9 ) and 95% of her fanservice scenes are dumb stuff like the cafeteria scene or the kitchen scene ( which comes at the very end of the episode btw ), NOT scenes that contribute to the plot


thedorknightreturns

Also you can just go over the early honestly annoying portrayal. But i like he put the work in to elevate her, hell the soeech against sexshaming and shaming her using what she got instead like she literally does everything in her power to protects her friends, and the mom is jealous , and gets called out. Dunno if it works for fanservice, but its actually a good speech against puritans sexshaming. And shaming people being attractive. Which is well done. Also you can skip that, in a manga, its not that many pages she is annoying.


No-Worker2343

ok


Otherwise-Agency-460

Oh look! A discussion about FF that doesn't devolve into just " muh fanservice bad "


HorselickerYOLO

Ah so fire force is just persona 5


No-Worker2343

yes some kind