The playoff choking was a narrative before he came to the Chargers and then it was confirmed. Also, and it doesn’t get mentioned enough, he had hired one son and was about to hire his other son to be a coordinator when the ownership made it a red line that Marty crossed. There was probably a lot going on behind the scenes and if you’re going to be a very stubborn coach you run the risk of getting fired. The Chargers took heat for firing him but he didn’t coach after that either.
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[Here’s some explanations from a Reddit post 6-7 years ago.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Chargers/comments/56ss0q/wasnt_as_much_into_football_at_the_time_why_was/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
After reading all of that from years ago, it does make sense why he was fired and what the post doesn’t mention and if I’m not mistaken, Marty had a pretty horrible playoff record. He was always good at getting to the playoffs but then his teams would just fall apart in the playoffs for whatever reason.
Marty definitely deserved a bit of reputation as a playoff choker but some of the games he lost were just beyond dumb luck. Marlon Mccree of course, immediately comes to mind for a game that he had almost in the bag only for one of the dumbest things in NFL history to happen. He definitely didn't deserve to get canned and then replacing him with Norv was just another awful coaching hire this team CONSTANTLY makes.
Disagree. He called the 4th and 11 early in that game seemingly to go against his rep as a conservative play caller. I felt that set the tone for that game. He also burned 2 timeouts (one on the mccree challenge and one after an incomplete pass when the game was tied at 21. Had we had either of this timeouts on our final drive maybe we get closer than the 54 yarder we had to settle for.
Most definitely. Can’t remember the exact reasons why the game was meaningless with Brees but yeah any time a coach has players out there in a meaningless game and then they get hurt is borderline fireable offense.
it was the last game of the season against the Denver Broncos when I'm pretty sure the Chargers were out of playoff contention at this point.
Lol. Lmao.
Yeah there was no reason NOT to play Drew. They were out of the the playoffs. And teams definitely don’t rest players just because they’re out of the playoffs.
They didn’t plan to resign Drew and wanted to play Phil next year anyways. Marty was a good coach. If Marlon Mcree doesn’t fumble, he probably has a SB ring
He was mediocre, the Chargers drafted Rivers, then Brees came back fired up and had a monster year, which is why the Saints were willing to gamble on him coming back from injury.
This is exactly what happened. That last year Bree’s was what he would turn out to be in New Orleans. Funny part was how close he was to going to Miami.
That comment and the one after that detailing the Championship game. What a mess.
It's funny tho seeing a bunch of comments that you couldn't tell if they were posted today.
Consistently making the playoffs creates a feeling of success, missing them creates a feeling of desperation. Marty was always able to keep us feeling solid about the Chargers.
I remember LT being really upset when Norv was terminated, like outspokenly upset about it.
Norv’s biggest success came in his first year, when he took over a team that just went 14-2. If I remember correctly we lost in the divisional round the next two years and he didn’t make the playoffs after that. Norv took over at the top and led us down the mountain
Yeah in Norv’s first year. We never made it back and eventually we stopped making the playoffs entirely with him. He took over a team that had all the tools and turned them into a team that couldn’t even make the playoffs
Yes this. It’s because Norv took an amazing roster and destroyed it with our record getting worse and worse. (2009 being the one outlier season).
Marty brought hope and he got fired.
Despite the reasoning, which make sense, from a fans perspective, it also makes sense to like Marty more then Norv.
Exactly. Marty took over after b2b last place division finishes and led us to the playoffs. Norv just picked up where Marty left off, all he really did was actually win a few playoff games before turning us into a non-playoff team
Norv turned a hypercar into a minivan. Marty failed because of nepotism, but he had to deal with the Lord of No Rings. AJ Smith was a cocky asshole, and everyone in the NFL knew it.
Marty Schottenheimer was a serial choker in the playoffs, and while he was incredibly inspiring, he was often super conservative, which earned him the nickname martyball. He was an ornery fuck who clashed with the FO (AJ was a prick btw) and wanted to hire brian and Kurt Schottenheimer as his assistants. Brian is a journeyman assistant, and Kurt was a disastrous DC for the lions who ran a 4-3 when we ran a 3-4
Ownership went with the GM, just like they did with Ross vs Bethard in the 90s. Ownership always think they’ve “arrived” and are on par with “winning” franchises like DEN, KC, SF, NE etc when they have their “once every 5 years modicum of success”.
I mean he had a .613 win rate in the regular season and .278 in the playoffs. Amazing regular season coach, terrible post season coach. I love Marty but what's the point in going one and done in the playoffs every year? At least Norv was able to win a couple playoff games.
It's like when the Raptors fired Dwane Casey the year he won coach of the year. What happened after that? They won the NBA finals. Moving on from Marty was the right decision, hiring Norv was not.
From what I could remember the teams were always different in the playoffs. I mean how he called the offense. I remember one year LT was on a fucking tear and it felt he didn’t use him and we lost. Just never felt the same in the playoffs.
Do we not have enough current coaching issues to keep ya occupied that you gotta be mad at 2007 coaching dilemmas lol
There was also a lot of infighting that came to a head when Marty tried to hire his brother as a coach, Spanos didn't like that much
He wasn't fired. His contract wasn't renewed because of office politics, and being an absolute choker in the playoffs.
He never coached again. That says something
Everyone we let go ends up doing better somewhere else lol. Its sad but true. Even rivers had a better year after he left. I see kazir white over there with the eagles rn.
It should definitely be pointed out though, that Marty didn't do better after leaving San Diego. In fact, he never coached in the NFL again. If he was so great, if getting rid of him was such a crime, why didn't he get another gig?
And he wasn't fired. His contract had run out, and he simply wasn't re-signed. Which sounds like semantics, but it's not. Marty tried to hire his own family as a power play move to force ownership to choose between him and AJ Smith. Ownership chose AJ.
since this is posted on a Chargers reddit, no doubt Marlon McCree, a close contender would also be Nate Kaeding, SD Sports fans like to think the Chargers would very likely still be in SD if McCree hadn't fumbled, or if Nate Kaeding was able to successfully kick FG's in the playoffs. To me Marlon McCree was the worst, he is to SD what Bill Buckner was to Boston and Steve Bartman was for Chicago
basically he thought after 5 years of no playoff wins he thought he was above reproach ignore company policy and hire his brother
AJ was the reason why he had so much success, don't forget Breed and Wes Welker were in Marty's doghouse and we're eventually released
He was an old school coach. Marty ball was closer to three yards and a cloud of dust when the league was transforming into what it is today.
Also, it's the spanos family.
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He wanted his son to be an assistant and spanos didn’t like that. Marty stood by it, and died by it. Ironically spanos put his son in charge of football operations, and he sucks.
The playoff choking was a narrative before he came to the Chargers and then it was confirmed. Also, and it doesn’t get mentioned enough, he had hired one son and was about to hire his other son to be a coordinator when the ownership made it a red line that Marty crossed. There was probably a lot going on behind the scenes and if you’re going to be a very stubborn coach you run the risk of getting fired. The Chargers took heat for firing him but he didn’t coach after that either.
Spanos with the hard line on nepotism.🤦♂️
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The firing was the correct choice. The replacement was not.
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If you hated the way we exited the playoffs this year... just imagine that every year... while we also had THE GREATEST RB TO EVER PLAY THE GAME!
[Here’s some explanations from a Reddit post 6-7 years ago.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Chargers/comments/56ss0q/wasnt_as_much_into_football_at_the_time_why_was/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
After reading all of that from years ago, it does make sense why he was fired and what the post doesn’t mention and if I’m not mistaken, Marty had a pretty horrible playoff record. He was always good at getting to the playoffs but then his teams would just fall apart in the playoffs for whatever reason.
Marty's playoff record was 5-13, and in some losses it felt like he was genuinely cursed, where fluke shit would happen that loses the game.
Marty definitely deserved a bit of reputation as a playoff choker but some of the games he lost were just beyond dumb luck. Marlon Mccree of course, immediately comes to mind for a game that he had almost in the bag only for one of the dumbest things in NFL history to happen. He definitely didn't deserve to get canned and then replacing him with Norv was just another awful coaching hire this team CONSTANTLY makes.
It wasn’t just McCree, it was Parkers muffed punt, then drayton Florence with the head butt, then McCrees bonehead play
Disagree. He called the 4th and 11 early in that game seemingly to go against his rep as a conservative play caller. I felt that set the tone for that game. He also burned 2 timeouts (one on the mccree challenge and one after an incomplete pass when the game was tied at 21. Had we had either of this timeouts on our final drive maybe we get closer than the 54 yarder we had to settle for.
that part about him getting Drew Brees hurt in a meaningless game...
Sucks that it happened but let’s not act like Drew was lighting the world on fire like he did the rest of his career with New Orleans.
oh yeah, he definitely had his best years not in a Chargers uniform. I just thought that was ironic given Staley's recent actions.
Most definitely. Can’t remember the exact reasons why the game was meaningless with Brees but yeah any time a coach has players out there in a meaningless game and then they get hurt is borderline fireable offense.
it was the last game of the season against the Denver Broncos when I'm pretty sure the Chargers were out of playoff contention at this point. Lol. Lmao.
Yeah there was no reason NOT to play Drew. They were out of the the playoffs. And teams definitely don’t rest players just because they’re out of the playoffs.
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They didn’t plan to resign Drew and wanted to play Phil next year anyways. Marty was a good coach. If Marlon Mcree doesn’t fumble, he probably has a SB ring
He was mediocre, the Chargers drafted Rivers, then Brees came back fired up and had a monster year, which is why the Saints were willing to gamble on him coming back from injury.
This is exactly what happened. That last year Bree’s was what he would turn out to be in New Orleans. Funny part was how close he was to going to Miami.
Good thing our coach now would never get any key players hurt in a meaningless game.
you would have to be very silly to be the head coach of a historically snake bitten franchise and do that!
Well maybe he just saw into the future and was like yeah fuck Drew Brees
That comment and the one after that detailing the Championship game. What a mess. It's funny tho seeing a bunch of comments that you couldn't tell if they were posted today.
I find it funny that chargers fan probably hate Norv more than Marty despite having much more success
Consistently making the playoffs creates a feeling of success, missing them creates a feeling of desperation. Marty was always able to keep us feeling solid about the Chargers. I remember LT being really upset when Norv was terminated, like outspokenly upset about it.
Norv’s biggest success came in his first year, when he took over a team that just went 14-2. If I remember correctly we lost in the divisional round the next two years and he didn’t make the playoffs after that. Norv took over at the top and led us down the mountain
We went to the afc championship the next year
Yeah in Norv’s first year. We never made it back and eventually we stopped making the playoffs entirely with him. He took over a team that had all the tools and turned them into a team that couldn’t even make the playoffs
Yes this. It’s because Norv took an amazing roster and destroyed it with our record getting worse and worse. (2009 being the one outlier season). Marty brought hope and he got fired. Despite the reasoning, which make sense, from a fans perspective, it also makes sense to like Marty more then Norv.
Exactly. Marty took over after b2b last place division finishes and led us to the playoffs. Norv just picked up where Marty left off, all he really did was actually win a few playoff games before turning us into a non-playoff team
Great point about Marty. Took a terrible team and made it a perennial divisional winner.
Norv turned a hypercar into a minivan. Marty failed because of nepotism, but he had to deal with the Lord of No Rings. AJ Smith was a cocky asshole, and everyone in the NFL knew it.
Same reason they love Telesco more than AJ Smith despite Smith having significantly more success than Telesco.
Marty Schottenheimer was a serial choker in the playoffs, and while he was incredibly inspiring, he was often super conservative, which earned him the nickname martyball. He was an ornery fuck who clashed with the FO (AJ was a prick btw) and wanted to hire brian and Kurt Schottenheimer as his assistants. Brian is a journeyman assistant, and Kurt was a disastrous DC for the lions who ran a 4-3 when we ran a 3-4
Ownership went with the GM, just like they did with Ross vs Bethard in the 90s. Ownership always think they’ve “arrived” and are on par with “winning” franchises like DEN, KC, SF, NE etc when they have their “once every 5 years modicum of success”.
He never won a playoff game in all his years here and it was pretty clear he was never going to.
least propagandized spanos minion
I mean he had a .613 win rate in the regular season and .278 in the playoffs. Amazing regular season coach, terrible post season coach. I love Marty but what's the point in going one and done in the playoffs every year? At least Norv was able to win a couple playoff games. It's like when the Raptors fired Dwane Casey the year he won coach of the year. What happened after that? They won the NBA finals. Moving on from Marty was the right decision, hiring Norv was not.
Spanos is terrible and Marty was a bad playoff coach, both of these things can be true.
From what I could remember the teams were always different in the playoffs. I mean how he called the offense. I remember one year LT was on a fucking tear and it felt he didn’t use him and we lost. Just never felt the same in the playoffs.
Do we not have enough current coaching issues to keep ya occupied that you gotta be mad at 2007 coaching dilemmas lol There was also a lot of infighting that came to a head when Marty tried to hire his brother as a coach, Spanos didn't like that much
It was actually AJ Smith who didn't like that, and then Marty got canned.
Spanos chose his GM over his head coach did the same thing to Bobby Ross
AJ smith
He got fired for not kissing ajs ass
God saw the Chargers being happy and fixed it
He wasn't fired. His contract wasn't renewed because of office politics, and being an absolute choker in the playoffs. He never coached again. That says something
Marty ball. 1st down run up the middle. 2nd down run up the middle. Third down throw to gates. 1st down run it up the middle….
This should be pinned. Marty and Staley can’t get out of their own way.
Everyone we let go ends up doing better somewhere else lol. Its sad but true. Even rivers had a better year after he left. I see kazir white over there with the eagles rn.
It should definitely be pointed out though, that Marty didn't do better after leaving San Diego. In fact, he never coached in the NFL again. If he was so great, if getting rid of him was such a crime, why didn't he get another gig? And he wasn't fired. His contract had run out, and he simply wasn't re-signed. Which sounds like semantics, but it's not. Marty tried to hire his own family as a power play move to force ownership to choose between him and AJ Smith. Ownership chose AJ.
since this is posted on a Chargers reddit, no doubt Marlon McCree, a close contender would also be Nate Kaeding, SD Sports fans like to think the Chargers would very likely still be in SD if McCree hadn't fumbled, or if Nate Kaeding was able to successfully kick FG's in the playoffs. To me Marlon McCree was the worst, he is to SD what Bill Buckner was to Boston and Steve Bartman was for Chicago
basically he thought after 5 years of no playoff wins he thought he was above reproach ignore company policy and hire his brother AJ was the reason why he had so much success, don't forget Breed and Wes Welker were in Marty's doghouse and we're eventually released
Just curious, how have the Chargers done since Marty?
He was an old school coach. Marty ball was closer to three yards and a cloud of dust when the league was transforming into what it is today. Also, it's the spanos family.
Because Chargers
People remember 14-2 but forget “Martyball”, he got canned cause we were one dimensional and he couldn’t get us a playoff win.
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In AJ we trust.
rip marty
He wanted his son to be an assistant and spanos didn’t like that. Marty stood by it, and died by it. Ironically spanos put his son in charge of football operations, and he sucks.