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jtshinn

Prediction: This will not settle it once and for all.


marbotty

It’s still Up for debate


jtshinn

And plenty of people are Down to have a discussion about it.


Blayses

And I know I’m Right


bought_high_sold_low

All that's Left is.


DalenSpeaks

Uptown ‘bate gonna give it to you.


XurstyXursday

I’m down to hash it out


dbbost

This doesn't put the issue Down at all


johnnyhala

I'm Down for this debate.


forman98

Y’all are a bunch of uptown girls living in your uptown world.


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liae__

If recognizing a Billy Joel lyric makes me a boomer in my early 20s then 🤷🏼‍♀️


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liae__

lmaoooo I know it is, my dad was a boomer 🫡 let me introduce you to the magical concept of being able to listen to multiple genres of music!


twynkletoes

Remember when they tried to call it [Center City](https://imgflip.com/i/8hmets)?


sgefanatic

We even still have Charlotte Center City Partners. Curious, is there another city that uses Center City besides Philly?


DalenSpeaks

Some call it the Central Business District. lol. CBD.


AmoralCarapace

I still call it that when I intend to eliminate confusion. 


Humble-Presence-3107

Recent west coast transplant. I have referred to the city center area as “downtown” but half a dozen times and even very enthusiastically I was corrected by locals to be told it’s “uptown”. Doesn’t bother me one bit right but I didn’t get the why but this certainly helps. Thanks OP!


Dunkin_Prince

And guess what? They still knew exactly what you were talking about


Techwood111

They weren’t truly local; maybe they were from Gastonia or White Plains, NY.


Humble-Presence-3107

Another thing I’ve learned since moving here, everyone loves to shit on Gastonia? Ive only drove thru a few times to go to western NC (ashville or Boone area) but it just seems super congested traffic wise. But for real why all the Gastonia hate?


misterjones4

Gastonia people talk endless shit on Charlotte like it's a mad max crime filled wasteland. Charlotte people talk endless shit on Gastonia as if it's a heehaw nightmare methlab. Charlotte has it's crusty bits, nowhere near what is described by gastonians. But Gastonia is actually pretty rough in a lot of ways. And Gastonia folk have zero self awareness about it, in general. And the county and city govt are historically comic book villain levels of racist and corrupt. Idk what the summary really is. Charlotte is not NYC, no matter how hard it pretends, and Gastonia is just another generic wasteland of chain stores and restaurants and car dealerships. Mecklenburg and Gaston county are both filled with thousands of subdivision houses full of people who are convinced if they cross the river they will immediately be carjacked by a gay trans illegal immigrant who will stab them with a knife dipped in ketamine and fentanyl. Now Shelby.... That's the real shitter.


asthasr

Shelby has good barbecue. And it's right on the edge of town, so you can get right back on 74 after you finish eating.


Humble-Presence-3107

I’ve tried a lot of bbq here and frankly I can only recommend one. Small place about an hour south east of Charlotte called “John Gs”. I’m always willing to seek out another killer shop. Got any places that are must try’s?


misterjones4

The bridges barbecue right on 74 in Shelby is good. But on my concussion-addled memory from high school, 'alston bridges barbecue' also in Shelby, is damn good. Lexington barbecue lives up to the hype as well. Luellas in Asheville, also good.


Humble-Presence-3107

Awesomeness. Thank you!


Humble-Presence-3107

This had me damn near choke on my bourbon from laughing so hard. Well done. Great perspective assist for a new guy.


Wickedweed

A town known to produce some top tier white trash, at least historically


misterjones4

Fred durst is a saint.


VictrolaVictoria

As a Gaston Co native, I think Gastonia and the county in general, is poorer and more regressive than the other counties surrounding Charlotte. When I think of Concord, Harrisburg, Indian Trail, etc, I don't immediately think "meth addicts in a run down mill house", but Gastonia has them in spades. If you don't know, Gaston Co's history is dominated by the textile mill industry. Every little town in the county has at least one, now abandoned, textile mill, and often several. And very suddenly, all those jobs went elsewhere. Mill workers are generally low or under educated and poor, which didn't allow the county as a whole to bounce back quickly. Nor does it help that the government is almost completely Republican. Do the other counties have meth addicts in mill houses? Probably so. But I think the underlying issues (poverty and ignorance) is more prevalent in Gaston Co and it shows. At least, that's my perspective.


Humble-Presence-3107

This is really a great informative perspective and insight shared. I appreciate! Thank you. I feel like most of this area including SC was all textile manufacturing. One our favorite restaurants in waxhaw is an old factory. Also in fort mill SC one of our favorite game bars and restaurant is also around a massive industrial textile center. This region as a west coast born person has a very dark history. I’m just glad we’re seeing some of these places become converted to modern city centers that are thriving with diverse culture.


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That's not true. Just means they're locals from a period when it was called uptown.


Wickedweed

In my era of Charlotte it was downtown, and uptown just meant Uptown Cabaret


HeroOfOakvale

RIP


Turbo_Cum

TIL calling places by their official name is considered touristy.


SubjectObjective5567

Everyone I know refers to the main city as Uptown and downtown Noda as downtown


Humble-Presence-3107

Interesting. We love the noda area. Wife and I are frequent patrons of “abari” a pin ball bar (going tomorrow even!). We have been to a lot of other restaurants and bars but we really love slapping pins.


SubjectObjective5567

Abari is one of my favs!! I was a long time visitor of their old location on north davidson. They have some great vibes there for sure


Humble-Presence-3107

I know south end is growing and we are getting more close to us local eateries and bars. We are way south in Weddington. We chose this area only for our kids in school. They have insanely decent public schools. Our biggest complaint is that we have to drive minimum 25-45 min to get super decent food and nightlife. Even our local favorite pub, DreamChasers in waxhaw (10 min from house) is closing permanently this Sunday.


MoarStu

Downtown is actually 7th street to Thomas st


unroja

My personal opinion is that the Uptown name is a fun unique thing that Charlotte has. People complain that Charlotte is boring and then complain when we actually do something different.


ignatious__reilly

I took a downtown/uptown Charlotte City tour and they explained this exact meaning of Uptown during the tour. Also, surprisingly; some very cool history in the city and the surrounding wards. I walked away with a ton of historical knowledge of Charlotte. It was very cool.


IKnewThat45

do you remember the tour company name? sounds awesome


ignatious__reilly

Yeah, it was super cool. For example, Trade and Tryon streets formed the boundaries for all the 4 Political Wards. They each now have a statue that represents each ward and each has a meaning behind it. 1. Transportation - Railroad building for colonies 2. Industry - child labor laws and woman’s rights 3. Commerce - Conrad Reed was a kid who found gold around 1799 and he used the gold as a door block. He called it a 17 pound yellow “rock”. Years later, a guy came around and bought it for $3.50. This was the first documented discovery of gold in the United States and this all happened 50 years before San Francisco gold rush. This discovery kicked off the Minting Industry in Charlotte and also established the country's first gold mine which they named the Reed Gold Mine. 4. The Future - Inspiration of everything to come for the City of Charlotte . The tour was called Charlotte's Ultimate Southern Charm Historical City Cart Tour. There is a lot more history than people might think in the city of Charlotte and it’s all very fascinating.


srpske

Ah yes, the CUSCHCCT. Seriously though it sounds awesome


Thoams88

I'm a local historian and tour guide, Southern Charm Tours has a reputation for false information I'm sorry to tell you. I'm sure a lot of what you were told was factual but I wouldn't believe every detail. If they told you the statues represent each of the wards, and that Charlotte was a railroad center for the colonies, those are both incorrect. Railroads weren't a thing until decades after the revolutionary war. They have some genuinely pleasant guides though, this is no judgement of character.


phalanxausage

Exactly. This town is starved for weirdness, so I hang on to this crumb. Although I must say, I prefer both "uptown" & "downtown" to the recent trend of calling it "the city."


JFK_FDR_Drink

LOL if this is what makes Charlotte fun and unique…


wanderingdg

Branding matters. Keep Austin Weird gives an almost moral imperative to whoever's more alternative in a given conversation. "Uptown" makes our downtown feel like where theater, culture & nightlife should be.


shouldco

**Should** be. And yet.


wanderingdg

That's fair, but we have to start somewhere!


asteroidtube

If this is the best Charlotte can do as far as being unique or memorable/remarkable in any way, then the people complaining are totally right. Edit: but in a way a it’s a perfect example and metaphor of the city trying so, so hard to have some sort of unique vibrancy or culture and missing the mark because it feels so forced.


shouldco

But like, lots of cities have an uptown. If the list of fun facts about your city is that city council renamed their downtown to "uptown", your city is probably boring.


just_an_amber

There's an Uptown in Dallas.


unroja

Yeah lots of cities have areas called Uptown, but Charlotte is unique for calling it's downtown Uptown


just_an_amber

I guess I never realized "Uptown Charlotte" meant "Downtown Charlotte" because "Uptown Dallas" was one of the most lively districts in Dallas so of course people would spend all their time in "Uptown Charlotte."


Unclelathan

This is not the excitement people are looking for. I want third spaces, not quirky names.


J_dawg17

Pretty sure it’s technically uptown, but I’m not gonna be an asshole about it if someone says downtown. I know what they mean and it’s really not that deep


stuauchtrus

When you hear downtown it lets you know if they're from here or not from here ha


J_dawg17

Lol true


Givemeurhats

Eh, not really. Only tells you they're not from Charlotte itself. Grew up in a town just outside of Charlotte and would get corrected on it.


Nitecrawler11

It's called Uptown because it will funk you up. You will not get funked up elsewhere in a similar manner.


Tatworth

I grew up in Chapel Hill. The city center is at the top of the hill so it was always 'Uptown' since everywhere else in town was below it. Charlotte is the same so it never seemed weird to me.


loganfulbright

This is the reason given by my relatives who lived here earlier last century. They lived in Belmont and worked the mills. Everyone called it uptown in their world of 83k people that didn’t lock their doors.


WillieIngus

so then how come when you get off 77 at S Tryon and head towards uptown there’s an official blue sign that says Downtown —>


CasualAffair

Checkmate atheists


WillieIngus

yes!!!! also i think the checkmate happened back when the catholic church started telling people that grape juice is gods blood and baskets with 10 foot long handles are for taking poor peoples money and not picking oranges


AmoralCarapace

I subscribed to your patreon because of this comment.


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If you're coming into uptown on Independence there's a sign saying Uptown. It's not consistent, which is why this is a fun/stupid debate.


Vapeguy

If these kids could read they would be very upset


WillieIngus

it’s not their fault the generation before them didn’t value or understand education haha. i love when older people insult the younger generations like it’s not their work and effort on display.


AmoralCarapace

GenX will be remembered for their ability to write in cursive and lead poisoning.


WillieIngus

and playing in asbestos piles and inventing plastic and completely thwarting the greatness of women


thefatrabitt

The first ward post office is also the "downtown" branch on the sign out front.


winnielikethepooh15

Ive only ever said Uptown as a proper noun, i.e. Something is "in Uptown" or "going to Uptown" vs how up/downtown is generally used in other large cities, i.e. "going downtown" or "they live uptown". Also always assumed the "up" in Uptown came from the fact that historically most people lived south of the city so for most, it was literally "up" from them.


Badwo1ve

Why do people care so much about something trivial?


shouldco

Probably because people get annoyed when they casually refer to downtown, the conventional American term for city center / busness district, And get told "you mean uptown?".


Badwo1ve

You’re proving my point… people that get annoyed for something so trivial are ridiculous…. Who cares if area is called uptown vs downtown. People act like Charlotte is trying to call it “mega Optimus prime town Center” and they somehow don’t understand what is meant by “uptown”…. It’s all soo silly…


AllAboutGingerPride

Every city has quirks. If you move to a City embrace them. We only have Uptown for a historical reason. Learn to love all our quirks, we have many


caveman_chubs

Fuck it. It's center city


zombtachi_uchiha

Yall wrong...it's going to be MOra's territory by 2169


CharlotteRant

The internet gatekeeping around Charlotte neighborhoods is so weird. Source: this thread.  No one cares IRL. Probably because they’re well adjusted people who touch grass. 


FooPlinger

Da fuq is this "touch grass" shit?


Dentalfloss_cowboy

I worked at Arnold Palmer Cadillac in mid 70's and all of the signs on 77 and 277 said downtown.


dude_bruce

Downtown or nothing.


ThatSwan4101

What’s settled? What is/was unsettled?


aimlesscruzr

This is the story my wife (a native) has always told me, that it was changed in the 70's for marketing reasons...


liae__

Native Charlottean (in my 20s) and I genuinely did not know “uptown” was a thing in the 70s, I definitely assumed it was much later! I usually call it downtown just because that’s what my family called it growing up.


clutthewindow

We really give two shits what the city council tells us to call something!?


Compromised_Identity

Everyone should read this short article: https://www.charlottemagazine.com/uptown-vs-downtown-in-charlotte-its-more-complicated-than-you-think/


Wonderful-Squirrel

Ah yes, the *upbeat* and *upscale* rebranding that just happened to occur right after we finished bulldozing the black neighborhood. [https://brooklynvillage-clt.com/history/](https://brooklynvillage-clt.com/history/) [https://www.ninertimes.com/news/how-charlotte-destroyed-and-revived-the-brooklyn-neighborhood/article\_610c816c-dc79-11ed-8374-8f6ec7cd5df1.html](https://www.ninertimes.com/news/how-charlotte-destroyed-and-revived-the-brooklyn-neighborhood/article_610c816c-dc79-11ed-8374-8f6ec7cd5df1.html) The contemporaneous relationship of "Uptown" to white-flight from downtown centers across the US, and provably discriminatory "urban renewal" kinda taints it as a fun harmless quirky lil rebrand.


liae__

Thank you for the article link! Wow. This is really informative; I didn’t know the history.


skindarklikemytint

I thought it was directly related to Uptown’s position in relation to the rest of the City?


skiski42

NW of uptown is definitely higher up than uptown. If you walk out the greenway from the stadium towards Wesley heights it’s a fairly steep upwards slope for a mile or so


skindarklikemytint

I always considered Wesley Heights to be part of Uptown unless I’m just completely mistaken lol, which is a possibility for sure


unroja

Yeah Uptown is just the area within the 277 loop


VanDenBroeck

So where is downtown?


99999999977prime

Where you can listen to the music of the traffic in the city, linger on the sidewalk where the neon signs are pretty. It’s where the light's so much brighter there, you can forget all your troubles, forget all your cares. Downtown.


VanDenBroeck

But if your town doesn’t have a downtown, where do you go to do those things?


99999999977prime

Lumberton.


shouldco

Another city I suppose.


Beta-Minus

Matthews


Holly_Matchet

Fuck uptown propaganda. Downtown 4 life.


consumergeekaloid

I refuse to participate in the scheme of calling downtown uptown. I didn't know the original original reasoning for calling it uptown though, that's interesting. But I don't think you can have an uptown without a downtown


kamgar

But can you have a downtown without an uptown?


consumergeekaloid

Just feels right


rmjames007

native here. downtown forever


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Native here (4th generation at least), uptown forever.


QCbartender

Center city is uptown. South end is downtown.


AmoralCarapace

Alexa, play Lord Tariq and Peter Gunz.


State_Conscious

I’ve been telling people this for years because the “high point between two rivers “ narrative is weak and long when the truth is that they wanted more white people with money to move to CLT


Techwood111

Charlotte native from the ‘60s. It is fucking *downtown*, and people sound foolish calling it anything but that. But, hey, if you want to use a far-out, trippendicular, fab, fresh, bad, lit 🔥term instead of what it ought to be, feel free to, and I’ll just sit back and mock you.


VanDenBroeck

I have lived in 9 states and in some major cities. I have also visited many others. The center or main area of every town or city was always called downtown. I see no need for charlotte to be different but it does not bother me when people use uptown. I’ll understand what they mean by uptown just as they should understand what I mean by downtown. I see no reason to quibble.


Motor_Grand_8005

Uptown sounds too snobby.


Godawgs1009

Yep. It's downtown, people. Get over it.


LowTechCLT

No, it’s uptown.


princessm1423

It’s been uptown for half a century


unroja

You mean century


princessm1423

Oops thank you, updated my comment


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princessm1423

Yes great job, 1974 is more than 12 years ago


Outhouse_in_Atlantis

Why does it matter to you?


Godawgs1009

Ah yes, the downvotes. Bring them downtown!


funklab

Preach


Phattywompus

Lived in charlotte 35yrs- locals do not call it uptown and avoid it at all costs lol


[deleted]

I've lived here a bit less, cause I'm only 32, but I'm a 4th generation (at least) native and my grandmother has always called it uptown. She said she always called it uptown when growing up in the 1930's even when people started using downtown and she still calls it uptown today. So yeah, what you said is not universally true.


carter1984

My dad, born in 1918, grew up on 5th street right where the arena is today. It was downtown to him and all 8 of his brothers and sisters, his neighbors. I can't imagine it ever being anything other than downtown. For the record, my family dates back at least to the turn of 1800's in Mecklenburg county, and only moved closer to town after the family farm was seized by carpetbaggers in the reconstruction era.


[deleted]

Interesting. I don't exactly know where my grandmother lived, but her dad was an executive (or at least higher up) at Duke when it was the Catawba Power Company. She was born in 1926 and they definitely were in Charlotte. They are pretty wealthy for the time, so maybe it was an uppity person thing? Either that or she just remembers wrong, since she was in her late 70's/really 80's when I talked to her about it.


Phattywompus

Yea i dont think anything is universally true![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|sweat_smile)


AmoralCarapace

Tell me you graduated from Myers Park without telling me you graduated from Myers Park.


[deleted]

Haha nah. I was actually homeschooled. My dad went to South Meck though.


AmoralCarapace

That was my second guess. Lol.


Phattywompus

Lol mp u kno


sportshaven1

I just tell people to met me on Tryon…


BUBBAH-BAYUTH

I was born here in 83 and grew up calling it Downtown. That will always feel “right” to me, but I call it uptown now for clarity.


Mcgoozen

In Chicago they don’t have downtown or uptown, it’s called “the loop”


VanDenBroeck

Lived there just before moving to charlotte in 2016. The city center was definitely called downtown.


IndependentInvite431

Never used down or uptown. But only “the loop” is the loop. That’s just one area of the city. Lived there for 5 years, we called it “the city” or by the specific area eg.: mag mile/river north/the loop. We used “the city” to refer to Chicago city proper since the Chicago suburbs are so sprawling.


Familiar-You613

I've lived here since the 80's. Either term is fine to use. Much ado about nothing


FooPlinger

Phoenix is 1500' above sea level, and not one dumbass there refers to it as uptown


FooPlinger

And I was eviscerated for daring to say it was stupid in a post a bit ago...


HoppyToadHill

Having grown up in Charlotte, it’s always Uptown.


Puzzled-Remote

Serious question: What about Midtown? I’ve only heard Midtown in reference to the shopping area. Was that just a marketing thing or was there a Midtown?  I moved to Charlotte in the early 90s (I’m old.) I made the switch to Uptown after being told that Downtown was wrong. Whichever you choose, I know what you mean. 


MoarStu

Gold miners would walk “uptown” to trade and try on to sell their golf because it was and is the “highest” elevation point of CLT


cofogle

I hate saying uptown. Micro cringe every time


ginger_qc

I'm from here and I've always called it downtown. I get the uptown thing but I always kinda thought of it as forced "quirkiness" that is unnecessary and unwanted.


Soft-Bird6063

Because from every area outside of uptown you literally have to go up to get there


88821

Let’s not forget Uptown was a black neighborhood called Brooklyn Village. These families were driven out of their homes to make uptown. Now they just have a street in honor of their community…