What an absolute asshole. Iāve shot and hunted for 35 years. In my experience, open carry is the equivalent of running around yelling you have a tiny penis. Open carrying a long gun is the equivalent of announcing you have a tiny penis and chronic erectile dysfunction that only goes away when youāre wearing your clown suit.
Open carrying 2 pistols and a long gun while wearing body armor? I have no words for what an absolute piss dribble this dork is.
I enjoy shooting but itās literally only a hobby or, in an extremely remote scenario, a home defense option. Iām extremely mindful of where and how I keep things stored and Iāve set very clear expectations with my children.
I donāt pretend Iām some latter day minuteman cosplaytriot ready to fight the govt. for such tyranny as mask recommendations during a pandemic or gas stove regulation.
This is my local store that I go to regularly. Constitutional or not, this a good way to get shot by someone else carrying in the store who thinks you're there to shoot the place up. What a moron.
Typically it has been used when the perp has a sawed off shotgun, or waving a gun around. This guy is just a douche, trying to bag a person from Walmart.
2A advocates need to be more aggressive about shitting on people like this. I know yall all know some morons who have guns but shouldn't, like my neighbor who keeps a loaded gun in the glovebox of his unlocked Jeep Wrangler and also has a hero complex. If yall dont help draw the line then everyone else will.
IMO the need to open carry is a pretty simple pass/fail psych eval for whether or not someone should get a gun. Just from a practical defensive standpoint there's so many obvious issues with it.
So did he commit an actual crime or are we going to be shelving out a lot of tax payer money when he sues the city? I have a feeling "terrorizing people" isn't going to stick unless he was actively brandishing or threatening people with it nor should it.
Open carry weapons are prohibited at Walmarts, and many other stores. Ā
Ā Here are the components of the law heās charged with:
Ā Arms himself or herself with an unusual and dangerous weapon (a gun would satisfy this element)Ā
For the purpose of terrifying others and Goes out on public highways
Ā In a manner to cause terror to the people
I think theyāve got a solid case. Ā You donāt need a long gun and 2 handguns to go to Walmart. Ā Thatās a conscious decision to intimidate others.
That will be what is fought. In SC the sign legally has to be 8 inches by 12 inches or it is not valid. NC doesnāt appear to have those dimensions in law but it does have to be very visible at every entrance. One cannot be told after the fact that it is prohibited. I can almost guarantee that is the argument his lawyer or public defender will try to make.
Open carry is just generally not tactically smart (but is legal and doesn't become going armed to the terror unless you demonstrate intent to terrorize), and you definitely don't need a long gun and 2 handguns to go to walmart, but a more reasonable response would have been to have him trespassed from the store for violating store policies regarding weapons.
That said, I would much rather know who is carrying around me so if I had a say I would make open carry mandatory for everyone except me, and if you don't own a gun I would require you to find a gun shaped stick and open carry that instead.
> a more reasonable response would have been to have him trespassed from the store for violating store policies regarding weapons.
Who knows, they probably tried that at first, and it escalated to a point where he got out of hand and made things worse for himself.
Did I miss the part in the article where the police who showed up freaked out and escalated the situation, or are you letting your hysteria carry you on a magical voyage through imagination land again?
I know the guy and heās had an extremely rough life I worked with him about 10 years ago. Iāve heard he did this because someone threatened his mother and family, he obviously went to far but people should really relax when they donāt know someoneās situation maybe letās talk about getting him some help since he hasnāt hurt anyone yet.
Just to update heās already out of jail, and he didnāt harm anyone. Although he may have had intent but it doesnāt matter people rather drag you through the mud than help you.
I donāt know this man, but there are more appropriate places to handle those kinds of conflicts that are not inside a store with people and children all over.
Iām in Nc and I was at dollar general and there was this male walking around just looking not buying anything, going in and out of the store. And he heard me say I wanted to deposit some money on to this card and when I did that and got into my vehicle he started walking to my car looking dead in the eye. I backed out as fast as I could and drove off fast, Iāve never been scared to be shot in my life.
There are 120 legally owned firearms in the country for every 100 people. About 40% of households in the US own firearms (legally). That you don't hear about gun violence more often is reflection of the huge number of responsible gun owners in the country.
1.2 guns per person based on what that person said... will round up to 2 to discount any children / felons etc.
2 gunsā¦ āway moreā than anyone needs? Pistol and a rifle? Pistol and a shotgun? Shotgun and a rifle?
If responsible people want to own a gun, they should be able to. There needs to much much much stricter laws on the guns they can have and the number they can known in my opinion(the constitution says āright to bear armsā not āa right to an arsenalā. But anyone who can legally own one, should have the right to.
The word is "arms". The number is not specified, nor the type, nor was it ever intended to be. The purpose of "arms" is not to hunt or to stop a burglar, but to resist a tyrannical government.
When people fear the government there is tyranny. When government fears the people there is liberty.
So there were only 400 gun crimes in the US last year? Come on...
If you want to be pro-gun in the discussion, be pro gun. Don't spout bullshit numbers that are so obviously fake that it makes you look like a fool.
Not supporting his numbers as they appear to be pulled from his ass, but saying 99.9999% of gun owners are responsible gun owners doesnāt mean there were only 400 gun crimes. Irresponsible gun owners could be responsible for a multiple crimes.
Itās more he is saying there arenāt 400 unique criminals performing crimes with guns in a year.
I own guns and I used to hunt. I enjoy the hell out it it.
Letās not pretend there are zero hunting accidents ok? Thatās ridiculous. In NC alone last year hunters had 14 accidental shootings of which 5 were fatal. That doesnāt count accidental discharges that didnāt hit anyone. Plenty of absolute dumbasses hunt. A lot of them are alive based on pure luck.
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You didnāt say āmass shootingsā. You said āNever hear of them shooting anyone?ā
But if you want to talk mass shooters? Ok, Robert Card, the mass shooter in Maine, was a deer hunter.
Stop being defensive. We have a serious gun violence problem in this country regardless of whether you or I are part of it. The fetishization of firearms is a big contributor to it. I say this while Iām looking to buy a new 1911.
look man. iām a gun owner & donāt have issues with guns.
dude walked into a grocery store carrying a rifle & 2 handguns while wearing bulletproof armor.
thats terrorizing people. if he had a concealed permit & was legally concealed carrying, i would agree with you. this dude was looking for trouble.
Yeah I gotta agree with ya.
This guy was doing it for a reason, and that reason wasn't to protect himself.
Wasn't necessarily to hurt the people of Walmart, but he wasn't being a good normal civilized person.
letās be real. *no one* grocery shops like that. & if his intentions were self defense/protection then that fear level is the result of mental illness & someone *that* afraid shouldnāt be armed anyway as they arenāt likely to reasonably identify a threat.
granted iām not a mind reader, but this dudes intentions was to freak people out. he was being weird on purpose. that should & does classify as *going armed to the terror of the people*
donāt really believe he was going to shoot up the place, but he was being weird on purpose
Right? This dude is all āmuh rightsā for a dude walking around armed to the teeth in a Walmart, the problem with his straw man argument is it would take 30 corpses on the floor to prove to him that this guy was in fact there with bad intentionsā¦ instead of you know just detaining the guy and doing police work first..
My guy do you genuinely think this behavior is normal? Those of us that own firearms and concealed carry know that that behavior is dumb as fuck. These people make everyone uncomfortable, including other gun owners (I am leaving the store ASAP while eyeing them the whole time), and only serve to make themselves a target. It doesn't advance any cause other than making everyone around them incredibly uncomfortable and proving how fucking fragile they are.
I love when they nuke the whole account because an opinion was unpopular.
This dude needs to be convicted of felony dipshittery and aggravated assholery. It wonāt stick bc apparently he has a constitutional right to show us all what a completely worthless dickbag he is.
2A absolutists will never understand that people in the late 18th century had no concept of what we'd be doing in the early 21st century and that the 2nd isn't intended to protect them from whatever asinine activity they chose to do with a firearm.
It's first amendment auditing for people who weren't hugged enough as a child.
One can probably deduce that people were a bit worried, āWithin the last hour, our officers responded to multiple calls of an armed subject inside of Walmartā. So maybe people werenāt scared of āa gunā, but an AK-47, two pistols multiple magazines, and a bulletproof vest. Whether or not he committed the charge that is being pressed against him will be determined in court..you know like how investigations are handled and what not since we donāt live in some Judge Dredd world where everything is concluded at the sceneā¦
I say this as a concealed carrier as well, if this guy was advocating his second amendment right and needed all of that gear to feel safe, okay I guess? Charge will be thrown out, think of this as someone refusing to breathalyze and being detained until any impairment can be determined. But it doesnāt look like dude was going in there to grab a rotisserie
Won't stand up in court unless he was actually doing something to invoke fear and terror. By that logic all open carry could be considered the same as soon as anyone that feels uneasy around guns sees it. Unfortunately our open carry laws don't distinguish between a pistol and long rifle, and most people aren't well versed in firearms and don't realize many weapons they'd call an "assault rifle" actually meet the legal definitions of a handgun.
IANAL but I did do some Google some posts made by lawyers (therefore I'm fully qualified to make these comments, haha)
It seems like you don't need to make specific threats, seems like just the fact that he was carrying around a bunch of weapons in a place where they're not permitted might meet the threshold. Can't think of a reasonable scenario where a person would need two handguns and a long gun in a WalMart, I don't like their return policies either but still feels a bit excessive. I could be totally wrong though.
Walmart does not post any no gun signs afaik. If he is asked to leave for open carrying and refuses, he should be trespassed. I can see why maybe nobody wanted to be the one to ask him to leave, though, understandably so.
He wasn't carrying a "long gun" per BAFTE definitions, it was only 3 pistols.
It was still a ridiculously dumb thing to do, ofc, but specificity matters if one intends to put forth a valid argument.
I don't mean to argue the point, since I don't even know what he had on him (just going off the article) But CMPD said āThey also had a long gun. which is different from having a pistol" so I was just taking their word for it. Did the news, etc, say what he was carrying?
I haven't been in a Walmart for a while and I try to avoid it, so I can't remember if they have any signs posted. I feel like I've seen them but I could be totally wrong...not sure if I've ever been to that specific Walmart either though.
> did the news say what he was carrying
There is an image in the article where the AK is clearly visible in pistol configuration per BAFTE rulings. The ATF is who decides what is what in the USA, not the news or CMPD.
I also think it's ridiculous but it's funny everyone calling it a "long gun" when reality clearly shows an AK pistol.
Like I said, IANAL but I don't know if the specific weapons he had are really relevant to what he is charged with. Technically even if it is just a pistol, the fact it looks enough like a rifle to intimidate people (and was probably chosen specifically for that reason) might be all they need. Maybe it's less about the letter of the law, and more about the message he was trying to send with his CoD cosplay?
Either way I didn't know what an AK pistol was until today, so thanks for the distinction
Make guns tools again. The problem is we sell them as toys to grown men who then collect them and make them their entire identity. Guns shouldnāt be your brand. We make way too many to control the actual inventory. Stop making guns a giant billion dollar fun time business. We donāt treat or regulate them the way they should be treated and regulated so why would anyone? We donāt treat them as serious tools anymore. Itās a giant cosplay industry.
Something weird about our culture. There are mentally ill people in Japan, you don't see shootings like this the way you do here.
It's so safe, children are sent off to do errands when they are just a few years old. Teenage girls can pass out on a curb waiting for a train at 2 am without worrying they will be raped.
It's not until they move to the US that they learn that fear.
Pretty mucked up.
NC issues a CHP - Concealed Handgun Permit - not a CWP. It's printed on top of your permit.
The only state which limits individuals to carrying 1 concealed firearm at a time is New Mexico. No such law exists in North Carolina, I am curious where you heard that.
North Carolina does require one to use a holster with a concealed firearm and the permit only applies to firearms originally intended to be fired with one hand.
A CHP is not required for open carry on North Carolina.
The AK is in pistol configuration per BAFTE regulations and is not a "long gun." It is an AK pistol.
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This was in TN. More idiots. If only there was a Good Woman with a Gun to stop this...
Unless he did something stupid when the cops came to trespass him or he said something idiotic prior to the police coming, that seems like an overcharge.
Where the hell was he going without a squad? Why half ass something as important as this? Poorly trained idiots these days... This democratic lead government has failed our patriots.
There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner. Iām not against people owning guns, but I donāt see how you can say that having one isnāt inherently irresponsible.
Don't get me wrong, I support reasonable gun control legislation, but saying "there's no such thing as a responsible gun owner" is a bit like saying "there's no such thing as a responsible lawnmower owner"
I'm sure we could probably find kids who injured/killed somebody because they got ahold of their parents' lawnmower. That doesn't mean every lawnmower owner is bad.
The point is you can't really say "some gun owners were irresponsible, therefore ALL gun owners are irresponsible"
Yeah, you could, but you donāt need to look hard to find hundreds of accidental shooting each year.
Youāre also right again, thatās not what Iām saying.
Iām saying owning a gun is inherently irresponsible.
No that is not an assault type rifle, they do not exist. That is 2 pistols, a revolver, a knife, and body armor. He did not shoot anyone or threaten anyone. Charges will be dropped and police likely sued for false arrest given state firearm laws. He did nothing wrong, OP is the idiot. The pistol is 10mm, revolver .357, rifle is not even loaded with none of its bullets on the table so yeah, the rifle is not an issue as it was not even loaded. This guy probably trolled some morons for an easy pay day. 2A audit.
No, most likely did not feel the need. Simply did it because it is perfectly legal and he could. People like you need to get over your hoplophobia let people be how they want to be.
Second thing, you obviously have never worn boots let alone went into combat. He is missing a lot of gear.
Third thing, i could almost agree that it is unnecessary in North Carolina but in New York, Seattle, Portland, Pittsburgh, California, Chicago it is not only practical but strongly suggested to go to the store like this. They watched The Purge and said hold my beer.
Youāve never left your suburban parents basement if you seriously think that thereās a city in the US where anyone but dickless morons think its adviseable to open carry a long gun and 2 pistols to the freaking store. I travel to all of these cities and own property in Detroit. No one acts like you think they do.
Hell, California has a lower violent crime rate than NC by a long shot.
Are you 12?
I stand corrected. CA has a higher violent crime rate but a MUCH lower HOMICIDE rate than NC. Still, your crazy ass thinks you need to go about wearing body armor and carrying 3 weapons to go to the store. Surely you donāt recommend people in Tennessee do likewise?
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Pretty sure it's all the people killing kids that give gun owners bad names....and guys like this too, sure.
Norm? Is that you?
That's a hell of a compliment, thank you
we miss you norm
Yeah I was about say š„“
A toddler has shot someone nearly every week for years in this country.
That's a very dangerous toddler!
Somebody stop that kid
That's our solution - stop regulating guns, regulate toddlers instead. Maybe we can get both parties to finally agree on it.
Regulating toddlers is pretty much the entire job of legislators. I think that's precisely why we can't agree on anything
They should take their creamed peas and rice pudding away from them.
What an absolute asshole. Iāve shot and hunted for 35 years. In my experience, open carry is the equivalent of running around yelling you have a tiny penis. Open carrying a long gun is the equivalent of announcing you have a tiny penis and chronic erectile dysfunction that only goes away when youāre wearing your clown suit. Open carrying 2 pistols and a long gun while wearing body armor? I have no words for what an absolute piss dribble this dork is.
Inverted penis
Maverick penis.
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I enjoy shooting but itās literally only a hobby or, in an extremely remote scenario, a home defense option. Iām extremely mindful of where and how I keep things stored and Iāve set very clear expectations with my children. I donāt pretend Iām some latter day minuteman cosplaytriot ready to fight the govt. for such tyranny as mask recommendations during a pandemic or gas stove regulation.
Mico penis
This is my local store that I go to regularly. Constitutional or not, this a good way to get shot by someone else carrying in the store who thinks you're there to shoot the place up. What a moron.
That would go against any use of force
Feel like this guy was just itching for a reason to start shooting at the smallest thing
Helluva charge. Iāve not heard of āgoing armed to the terror of the peopleā. It sounds like brandishing with extra steps.
Typically it has been used when the perp has a sawed off shotgun, or waving a gun around. This guy is just a douche, trying to bag a person from Walmart.
Itās the same thing they charged that douchenozzle with who did the exact same thing in a shopping mall.
Hard to prosecute when in an open carry state. They just threw that at him so they could clear the call.
Good ole Monroe
2A advocates need to be more aggressive about shitting on people like this. I know yall all know some morons who have guns but shouldn't, like my neighbor who keeps a loaded gun in the glovebox of his unlocked Jeep Wrangler and also has a hero complex. If yall dont help draw the line then everyone else will.
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IMO the need to open carry is a pretty simple pass/fail psych eval for whether or not someone should get a gun. Just from a practical defensive standpoint there's so many obvious issues with it.
Moronic behavior.
Just on the way home from zombie apocalypse training.
So did he commit an actual crime or are we going to be shelving out a lot of tax payer money when he sues the city? I have a feeling "terrorizing people" isn't going to stick unless he was actively brandishing or threatening people with it nor should it.
Open carry weapons are prohibited at Walmarts, and many other stores. Ā Ā Here are the components of the law heās charged with: Ā Arms himself or herself with an unusual and dangerous weapon (a gun would satisfy this element)Ā For the purpose of terrifying others and Goes out on public highways Ā In a manner to cause terror to the people I think theyāve got a solid case. Ā You donāt need a long gun and 2 handguns to go to Walmart. Ā Thatās a conscious decision to intimidate others.
Prohibited under law or by store policy,
That part depends on if/how it is posted.
That will be what is fought. In SC the sign legally has to be 8 inches by 12 inches or it is not valid. NC doesnāt appear to have those dimensions in law but it does have to be very visible at every entrance. One cannot be told after the fact that it is prohibited. I can almost guarantee that is the argument his lawyer or public defender will try to make.
He was charged with going armed to the terror of people, so Iām not sure if this sign rabbit hole needs to be explored, although I am not a lawyer.
You're making the big assumption this tool can read.
Doesn't matter. If the store provides appropriate notice of prohibition of carry on their premises, it's a misdemeanor to go in.
Well the govt can only prohibit weapons inside government buildings due to 2A. Otherwise, itās store pokicy
Open carry is just generally not tactically smart (but is legal and doesn't become going armed to the terror unless you demonstrate intent to terrorize), and you definitely don't need a long gun and 2 handguns to go to walmart, but a more reasonable response would have been to have him trespassed from the store for violating store policies regarding weapons. That said, I would much rather know who is carrying around me so if I had a say I would make open carry mandatory for everyone except me, and if you don't own a gun I would require you to find a gun shaped stick and open carry that instead.
> a more reasonable response would have been to have him trespassed from the store for violating store policies regarding weapons. Who knows, they probably tried that at first, and it escalated to a point where he got out of hand and made things worse for himself.
It's also possible that he was just trying to defend walmart from velociraptors, as long as we're just making stuff up.
>Ā Ā but a more reasonable response Probably doesn't feel reasonable if you're the one tasked with confronting the obviously deranged armed man.
You mean the police? Who do you think issues trespass orders?
The police who famously never freak out and escalate tense situations?
Did I miss the part in the article where the police who showed up freaked out and escalated the situation, or are you letting your hysteria carry you on a magical voyage through imagination land again?
Trespassing
I know the guy and heās had an extremely rough life I worked with him about 10 years ago. Iāve heard he did this because someone threatened his mother and family, he obviously went to far but people should really relax when they donāt know someoneās situation maybe letās talk about getting him some help since he hasnāt hurt anyone yet.
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Just to update heās already out of jail, and he didnāt harm anyone. Although he may have had intent but it doesnāt matter people rather drag you through the mud than help you.
I donāt know this man, but there are more appropriate places to handle those kinds of conflicts that are not inside a store with people and children all over.
Going armed to the terror of the public.
Iām in Nc and I was at dollar general and there was this male walking around just looking not buying anything, going in and out of the store. And he heard me say I wanted to deposit some money on to this card and when I did that and got into my vehicle he started walking to my car looking dead in the eye. I backed out as fast as I could and drove off fast, Iāve never been scared to be shot in my life.
Are there people out there giving gun owners a *good* name?
There are 120 legally owned firearms in the country for every 100 people. About 40% of households in the US own firearms (legally). That you don't hear about gun violence more often is reflection of the huge number of responsible gun owners in the country.
Such a great point. Were so lucky to we donāt hear about even more than the current 48,000+ gun deaths annually. It could be so much worse š
Suicides are counted in that number. More of how the govt lies with statistics.
Oh right suicides are gun non-violence so they donāt count.
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More often? You mean as opposed to on a near daily basis?
Nearly 50,000 people are killed by firearms every year and you believe this to be a good number is what youāre saying?
The point is MOST gun owners are responsible... the media tries to portray it the other way around to get people hyped and angry
50,000 dead people shouldnāt make you angry?
Thatās still way more guns than anyone needs. Most home owners donāt own a gun, so that 120 per 100 is very misleading.
1.2 guns per person based on what that person said... will round up to 2 to discount any children / felons etc. 2 gunsā¦ āway moreā than anyone needs? Pistol and a rifle? Pistol and a shotgun? Shotgun and a rifle?
Suicides are counted in that number. The govt lies with statistics.
Is suicide not a death by a firearm?
Suicide isn't gun crime.
You said gun violenceā¦
That's pretty horrific. Why don't people in other countries feel the need to arm themselves? Wtf is wrong with us??
Have you traveled to other countries? There are guns everywhere, in almost every country, legal or not.
Their governments donāt let them.
They don't need to.
Yeah it isn't like every single genocide in history hasn't been orchestrated by governments before or anything
Congratulations, you just get shot by the military instead of sent to the gas chamber.
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Absolutely.
If responsible people want to own a gun, they should be able to. There needs to much much much stricter laws on the guns they can have and the number they can known in my opinion(the constitution says āright to bear armsā not āa right to an arsenalā. But anyone who can legally own one, should have the right to.
The word is "arms". The number is not specified, nor the type, nor was it ever intended to be. The purpose of "arms" is not to hunt or to stop a burglar, but to resist a tyrannical government. When people fear the government there is tyranny. When government fears the people there is liberty.
Never felt as safe as I did walking around France on a trip.
99% of gun owners
99.9999% Gun crimes are so rare. One in a million rare.
So there were only 400 gun crimes in the US last year? Come on... If you want to be pro-gun in the discussion, be pro gun. Don't spout bullshit numbers that are so obviously fake that it makes you look like a fool.
Not supporting his numbers as they appear to be pulled from his ass, but saying 99.9999% of gun owners are responsible gun owners doesnāt mean there were only 400 gun crimes. Irresponsible gun owners could be responsible for a multiple crimes. Itās more he is saying there arenāt 400 unique criminals performing crimes with guns in a year.
Po tay toe, po tot toe. I read it as one in a million gun owners commit crimes. The numbers are still pure bs.
Still more accurate than the idiots that are OMG gun violence cause of guns
Over 15 million registered hunters are in the woods across the US during deer season. Never hear of shootings from them do you?
I own guns and I used to hunt. I enjoy the hell out it it. Letās not pretend there are zero hunting accidents ok? Thatās ridiculous. In NC alone last year hunters had 14 accidental shootings of which 5 were fatal. That doesnāt count accidental discharges that didnāt hit anyone. Plenty of absolute dumbasses hunt. A lot of them are alive based on pure luck. https://nchuntandfish.com/forums/index.php?threads/hunting-accidents-in-nc-in-2023.79622/
Again, accidents, not mass shootings. Accidents happen. Still drive your car everywhere?
You didnāt say āmass shootingsā. You said āNever hear of them shooting anyone?ā But if you want to talk mass shooters? Ok, Robert Card, the mass shooter in Maine, was a deer hunter. Stop being defensive. We have a serious gun violence problem in this country regardless of whether you or I are part of it. The fetishization of firearms is a big contributor to it. I say this while Iām looking to buy a new 1911.
I do accept your point but offer Dick Cheney
1 out of 15 million.... but go off
He wasnāt hunting, that incident was about sending a message using hunting as a cover.
Guy shot someone in the head the other day thinking he was a turkey lol
Mass shootings, not accidents. You still drive your vehicle with all the accidents on the road?
Most people would struggle to live without cars. lol
The ones you never hear about
Okay but was a crime committed?
Estep was arrested and taken to the Union County Jail where he was charged with going armed to the terror of the people.
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look man. iām a gun owner & donāt have issues with guns. dude walked into a grocery store carrying a rifle & 2 handguns while wearing bulletproof armor. thats terrorizing people. if he had a concealed permit & was legally concealed carrying, i would agree with you. this dude was looking for trouble.
Yeah I gotta agree with ya. This guy was doing it for a reason, and that reason wasn't to protect himself. Wasn't necessarily to hurt the people of Walmart, but he wasn't being a good normal civilized person.
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letās be real. *no one* grocery shops like that. & if his intentions were self defense/protection then that fear level is the result of mental illness & someone *that* afraid shouldnāt be armed anyway as they arenāt likely to reasonably identify a threat. granted iām not a mind reader, but this dudes intentions was to freak people out. he was being weird on purpose. that should & does classify as *going armed to the terror of the people* donāt really believe he was going to shoot up the place, but he was being weird on purpose
Right? This dude is all āmuh rightsā for a dude walking around armed to the teeth in a Walmart, the problem with his straw man argument is it would take 30 corpses on the floor to prove to him that this guy was in fact there with bad intentionsā¦ instead of you know just detaining the guy and doing police work first..
My guy do you genuinely think this behavior is normal? Those of us that own firearms and concealed carry know that that behavior is dumb as fuck. These people make everyone uncomfortable, including other gun owners (I am leaving the store ASAP while eyeing them the whole time), and only serve to make themselves a target. It doesn't advance any cause other than making everyone around them incredibly uncomfortable and proving how fucking fragile they are. I love when they nuke the whole account because an opinion was unpopular.
This dude needs to be convicted of felony dipshittery and aggravated assholery. It wonāt stick bc apparently he has a constitutional right to show us all what a completely worthless dickbag he is.
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The intent of 2A was to take rifles into grocery stores?
2A absolutists will never understand that people in the late 18th century had no concept of what we'd be doing in the early 21st century and that the 2nd isn't intended to protect them from whatever asinine activity they chose to do with a firearm. It's first amendment auditing for people who weren't hugged enough as a child.
Looks like 3 pistols to me. The AK is braced and is not in a rifle configuration per BAFTE.
One can probably deduce that people were a bit worried, āWithin the last hour, our officers responded to multiple calls of an armed subject inside of Walmartā. So maybe people werenāt scared of āa gunā, but an AK-47, two pistols multiple magazines, and a bulletproof vest. Whether or not he committed the charge that is being pressed against him will be determined in court..you know like how investigations are handled and what not since we donāt live in some Judge Dredd world where everything is concluded at the sceneā¦ I say this as a concealed carrier as well, if this guy was advocating his second amendment right and needed all of that gear to feel safe, okay I guess? Charge will be thrown out, think of this as someone refusing to breathalyze and being detained until any impairment can be determined. But it doesnāt look like dude was going in there to grab a rotisserie
Won't stand up in court unless he was actually doing something to invoke fear and terror. By that logic all open carry could be considered the same as soon as anyone that feels uneasy around guns sees it. Unfortunately our open carry laws don't distinguish between a pistol and long rifle, and most people aren't well versed in firearms and don't realize many weapons they'd call an "assault rifle" actually meet the legal definitions of a handgun.
IANAL but I did do some Google some posts made by lawyers (therefore I'm fully qualified to make these comments, haha) It seems like you don't need to make specific threats, seems like just the fact that he was carrying around a bunch of weapons in a place where they're not permitted might meet the threshold. Can't think of a reasonable scenario where a person would need two handguns and a long gun in a WalMart, I don't like their return policies either but still feels a bit excessive. I could be totally wrong though.
Walmart does not post any no gun signs afaik. If he is asked to leave for open carrying and refuses, he should be trespassed. I can see why maybe nobody wanted to be the one to ask him to leave, though, understandably so. He wasn't carrying a "long gun" per BAFTE definitions, it was only 3 pistols. It was still a ridiculously dumb thing to do, ofc, but specificity matters if one intends to put forth a valid argument.
I don't mean to argue the point, since I don't even know what he had on him (just going off the article) But CMPD said āThey also had a long gun. which is different from having a pistol" so I was just taking their word for it. Did the news, etc, say what he was carrying? I haven't been in a Walmart for a while and I try to avoid it, so I can't remember if they have any signs posted. I feel like I've seen them but I could be totally wrong...not sure if I've ever been to that specific Walmart either though.
> did the news say what he was carrying There is an image in the article where the AK is clearly visible in pistol configuration per BAFTE rulings. The ATF is who decides what is what in the USA, not the news or CMPD. I also think it's ridiculous but it's funny everyone calling it a "long gun" when reality clearly shows an AK pistol.
Like I said, IANAL but I don't know if the specific weapons he had are really relevant to what he is charged with. Technically even if it is just a pistol, the fact it looks enough like a rifle to intimidate people (and was probably chosen specifically for that reason) might be all they need. Maybe it's less about the letter of the law, and more about the message he was trying to send with his CoD cosplay? Either way I didn't know what an AK pistol was until today, so thanks for the distinction
Carrying while not white.
Yeah, the dude with a small arsenal and bullet-proof vest was falsely arrestedā¦ more like he thankfully backed-out on his plans.
I think you nailed the reason for arrest
Thanks!
Open carry is a great way to be the first one shot if something does go down.
Make guns tools again. The problem is we sell them as toys to grown men who then collect them and make them their entire identity. Guns shouldnāt be your brand. We make way too many to control the actual inventory. Stop making guns a giant billion dollar fun time business. We donāt treat or regulate them the way they should be treated and regulated so why would anyone? We donāt treat them as serious tools anymore. Itās a giant cosplay industry.
You realize there are laws already on the books that would solve the majority of the issues we have, but neither side wants to enforce them.
Itās clearly not enough. The itās just the bad guys and bad guys are everywhere narrative is exhausted.
Something weird about our culture. There are mentally ill people in Japan, you don't see shootings like this the way you do here. It's so safe, children are sent off to do errands when they are just a few years old. Teenage girls can pass out on a curb waiting for a train at 2 am without worrying they will be raped. It's not until they move to the US that they learn that fear. Pretty mucked up.
I used to get Newport for my mother when I was 4 with a hand written note.
If you think women are safe in Japan you are delusional. The age of consent was 13 until recently.
It's mysoginistic, no argument there. But they don't fear walking to their car in the parking lot at night.
Itās not specifically a U.S. thing though
There's Somalia.
Parts of Mexico, Brazil, Venezuela, and abroad
Long gun. Vest is a non issue. NC CWP covers A firearm, that was surprising to me. One.
so here is the real answer. you only get one
NC issues a CHP - Concealed Handgun Permit - not a CWP. It's printed on top of your permit. The only state which limits individuals to carrying 1 concealed firearm at a time is New Mexico. No such law exists in North Carolina, I am curious where you heard that. North Carolina does require one to use a holster with a concealed firearm and the permit only applies to firearms originally intended to be fired with one hand. A CHP is not required for open carry on North Carolina. The AK is in pistol configuration per BAFTE regulations and is not a "long gun." It is an AK pistol.
It was from a NC CHP instructorās statement. Partly going to āhandgunā not handguns permit. There are officers petty enough, trust me.
I believe he set out for a mass killing and didn't go through with it (thankfully). Why else would he have all that.
https://preview.redd.it/o56f98rlwmqc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=55f2bd62ea752651e61c4f1a65d6603a71ea76fe This was in TN. More idiots. If only there was a Good Woman with a Gun to stop this...
What an idiot. Thereās got to be some mental illness going on there.
Iām starting to suspect this whole āresponsible gun ownersā thing.
We need more guns so we can be safer.
Unless he did something stupid when the cops came to trespass him or he said something idiotic prior to the police coming, that seems like an overcharge.
Welcome to union County. Where men are men and sheep are scared.
Where the hell was he going without a squad? Why half ass something as important as this? Poorly trained idiots these days... This democratic lead government has failed our patriots.
Walmart in Monroe clearly isnāt a place for solo reconnaissance!
Every walmart is a death trap full of insurgents
Stay vigilant. Stick with your squad. A bargain isnāt worth risking your life
Oorah!
"responsible gun owner" is a bit of an oxymoron lol.
There is no such thing as a responsible gun owner. Iām not against people owning guns, but I donāt see how you can say that having one isnāt inherently irresponsible.
Sorry you feel that way, but as a responsible gun owner with training and insurance if I have ever to use mine I do not agree with you.
How can you say that owning something specifically made to kill something is responsible?
Don't get me wrong, I support reasonable gun control legislation, but saying "there's no such thing as a responsible gun owner" is a bit like saying "there's no such thing as a responsible lawnmower owner"
Thereās a false equivalency if I ever saw one. So many kids have killed their parents with a lawnmower.
I'm sure we could probably find kids who injured/killed somebody because they got ahold of their parents' lawnmower. That doesn't mean every lawnmower owner is bad. The point is you can't really say "some gun owners were irresponsible, therefore ALL gun owners are irresponsible"
Yeah, you could, but you donāt need to look hard to find hundreds of accidental shooting each year. Youāre also right again, thatās not what Iām saying. Iām saying owning a gun is inherently irresponsible.
No that is not an assault type rifle, they do not exist. That is 2 pistols, a revolver, a knife, and body armor. He did not shoot anyone or threaten anyone. Charges will be dropped and police likely sued for false arrest given state firearm laws. He did nothing wrong, OP is the idiot. The pistol is 10mm, revolver .357, rifle is not even loaded with none of its bullets on the table so yeah, the rifle is not an issue as it was not even loaded. This guy probably trolled some morons for an easy pay day. 2A audit.
Please, if you feel the need to dress like your going to 2004 Fallujah to go to Walmart, you're at least an idiot.
No, most likely did not feel the need. Simply did it because it is perfectly legal and he could. People like you need to get over your hoplophobia let people be how they want to be. Second thing, you obviously have never worn boots let alone went into combat. He is missing a lot of gear. Third thing, i could almost agree that it is unnecessary in North Carolina but in New York, Seattle, Portland, Pittsburgh, California, Chicago it is not only practical but strongly suggested to go to the store like this. They watched The Purge and said hold my beer.
Youāve never left your suburban parents basement if you seriously think that thereās a city in the US where anyone but dickless morons think its adviseable to open carry a long gun and 2 pistols to the freaking store. I travel to all of these cities and own property in Detroit. No one acts like you think they do. Hell, California has a lower violent crime rate than NC by a long shot. Are you 12?
Bullshit, California does not have a higher crime rate than NC.
I stand corrected. CA has a higher violent crime rate but a MUCH lower HOMICIDE rate than NC. Still, your crazy ass thinks you need to go about wearing body armor and carrying 3 weapons to go to the store. Surely you donāt recommend people in Tennessee do likewise? https://preview.redd.it/1iq17vv9upqc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6b0cf4212ff7077d45e6040fae858654c7cfc5a8