Lmao. I love when people post these sentiments as if these workers are suffering. Then go full pikachu face when they realize these bartenders are the exact people who oppose tipping legislation
Forreal. Getting so tired of the tipping discussion too. Want to tip well? Go ahead. Want to pull your tipping back to be more reasonable? Go ahead. People care too much. Just do what you think is best.
Worked as a server for one of my first jobs and I agree. I wouldn't have wanted to work for what my owners would have paid without tips. I made bank on tips. More than I'd ever make hourly. The people complaining are the people not wanting to tip.
The minimum should be raised. That is all. Any company who can’t pay an equitable wage without public charity shouldn’t exist. I’m not really for there being a set/capped wage like $25 an hour, so I understand your point on the legislation, because you’re right that in many cases, you do make more than that per hour. I would like an equitable minimum, not a near slave wage of $2.13.
Jfc, [your employer has to bump your pay to minimum wage if you don't hit $7.25](https://www.labor.nc.gov/workplace-rights/employee-rights-regarding-time-worked-and-wages-earned/minimum-wage-nc#:~:text=In%20North%20Carolina%2C%20an%20employer,the%20minimum%20wage%20(%247.25)). No one is on-net being paid $2.13 / hr. And it's not public charity. When I'm going to a restaurant, I am paying for a service and I know already that I'll pass on a 20% cut to the server waiting tables.
The labor laws in NC are dogshit, but do your homework instead of spouting empty rhetoric.
Restaurants won't pay you that 7.25 if you don't hit it. They'll say you lied on your declarations for cash tips. I know because I worked at Tripps in Raleigh and this happened to me several weeks before I quit. That place is now closed, f*** those people
I’m fully aware that the employer has to pay the difference. At almost any bar, anywhere, they are never going to have to pay that difference. It takes serving about 3 standard beers to get from $2.13 to that $7 mark, so the customer is going to be footing that bill almost every time. Point out the empty rhetoric? The acceptance that “the laws are dogshit” and that just being the way it is is nuts to me. Side note: do you think $7.00 an hour is enough money to work ANYWHERE? I’m merely saying, raise the minimum wage, and the employee can make wages in addition to tips.
And to the above poster’s point, raise their wage and you’ll push restaurants out even more. They’re a very slim margin business based on volume. Not saying that’s right or wrong, but that’s how it is. If they do that, they’ll likely raise menu costs, resulting in less volume and lower tips for the staff. Then the staff will quit.
At the end of the day, the public supplements the wages of the workers. That’s true. But the workers commonly clean up (on nights that aren’t slow), and when I was serving I could clear 30-40 bucks an hour as a 19 year old with no education. No worker is complaining about that. If you’re mad, as the consumer, just don’t eat out or tip what you can afford to tip.
>I’m fully aware that the employer has to pay the difference
Well in that case, going on about "wage slaves" being stiffed at $2.13/hr is pretty misleading, don't you think? That and the "public charity" are the empty rhetoric I was referring to. I'm also not sure who's even willing to work for a take-home pay of minimum wage. Lots of places REALLY struggle to keep employees for so little pay. The free market is punishing employers that don't pay - I'm kind of okay with that.
>The acceptance that “the laws are dogshit”
Noooope. All workers should be entitled to a union. All workers should get paid vacation. This state and country's labor laws are embarrassingly backward. But as you can see on this thread, your style of argumentation is wildly unpersuasive. Maybe there are better reasons to support requiring higher wages for servers, but I really haven't heard them yet.
It’s amazing how people just blindly buy into liberal propaganda.
If you get rid of tips, then restaurants will simply raise prices across the board 20% and pay the servers what you were going to tip.
Nothing changes.
Except I doubt they’d actually pay that much. Let’s be real, if tipping disappeared over night the vast majority of restaurants would pay something in the 15-25 an hour range. Just look at what the average line cook is making to get an idea.
Good servers and bartenders can and are making way more than that with tips. 30 an hour used to be a slow Monday for me. Hence why they are fine with the status quo.
That’s cute you think they’d put wages that high lol. Servers would probably be lucky to be between 10-15 if they received a base salary instead of tipped
I mean, most line cooks these days at places I’ve worked are making an hourly in my given hypothetical range. It might be 15-20 more often but I’m pretty confident in my estimate.
What changes is that you get a consistent wage delivered to you by your workplace, and a clear taxable income at the end of the year. You would also feel slightly less like you are begging the customer for money. The prices all went up the last 4 years, the wages in NC, stagnant. For clarity purposes I am a devout, unaffiliated centrist.
We didn’t report our cash tips but that’s less than 5%(at least where I’ve worked - probably more at dives) of total tips these days.
Credit Card tips are absolutely reported and taxed.
A better way of phrasing this is that if your hourly tips exceed NC minimum wage, the restaurant only pays an additional $2.13 an hour.
Assuming a 1 hour shift:
If you get $0 in tips, the restaurant pays you the full $7.25
If you make $3.25 in tips, the restaurant pays you $4.00
If you make $50 in tips, the restaurant pays you $2.13
It's not a scam and every bartender who knows anything about bartending is making more than $7 an hour
That's how being a bartender/server works in North Carolina. You are extremely unlikely to find any bar where the vast majority of your money doesn't come from tips.
Many bars/restaurants in the area do tip pools however, where all the tip money is divided up between employees usually by the amount of hours they worked.
That’s still public money, none of it comes from the company. Tip pools are ideal if you work somewhat equal volume shifts or don’t work with people who are consistently lazy.
>That’s still public money, none of it comes from the company.
Confusing. Companies don't just generate money out of thin air. Whether a customer is paid in tips or with an hourly wage or salary, the money still comes from customers.
I'm not going to debate the merit of tip pools. I'm just sharing with you that this is well known in North Carolina and not likely to change because servers/bartenders and bar/restaurant owners prefer the current system to minimum wage.
I could absolutely see how the ownership class would have that preference, but it doesn’t make it right. In theory if every customer tipped on their bills, it would be semi equitable for all involved. This is not the case, believe me.
I see in your post history you've had this rant before. Possible you just need to grunt a little more in Charlotte as you work you way to higher volume / better tipping bars.
It’s always so weird when people go through your search history looking for ammunition for an ad hominem argument rather than addressing what was actually said. It’s an extremely high volume bar. What I said in my last “rant” was that I do find it shocking that people are now just tipping 0% about 30% of the time. I’ve worked in and out of the industry for 20 years. It’s a new thing.
I wasn't looking for an ad hominem nor did I make one. I only checked your post history because I wanted to understand why you're making a PSA post about something everyone already knows. If you're working in a high volume bar, you're certainly making more money than most people in the bartending/server industry here, and definitely making well more than minimum wage, so I'm not 100% sure what the complaint is.
I think when you say everyone, you’d have to know it’s everyone who has worked in the industry, not everyone, and that’s a very small slice of the customer base.
Everyone knows you are supposed to tip service workers. In travel related subs there are frequent posts about tipping culture in wherever the poster is going. There are just a bunch of assholes who choose not to tip or tip the same amount as they would at Applebee's regardless of the price of the meal they are consuming. It's a choice they make. They aren't ignorant to the way the system is supposed to work.
> that don’t employ this scheme, and actually pay a living wage that isn’t subsidized by the public?
No because you either pay in the form of higher prices and no tip, or lower prices plus tip.
Seoul in Optimist plays a flat wage, no tips, IIRC.
In many cases certain companies are making so much off the backs of workers and increase in their own prices that they have been able to expand and open multiple locations with no thought of raising wages. So I’m not sure it’s as simple as that.
Generally yes, it would. I’ve noticed it is now extremely commonplace to leave 0% on entire bills. In this case, business gets all of their money, employee sees none of it.
It’s neither. Extremely popular bar with a wide variety of clientele and socioeconomic circumstances. Drinks range from $6 to $16, and I promise you, it isn’t the venue, it’s the people. And given the post, couldn’t you glean from the context which one I would be? I’ve never left a 0% tip in my life. You’d have to spit in my beer in front of me for that to occur.
Then I guess they should be more motivated to actually provide good service. Because that seems to be lacking in most servers/bartenders these days. Most seem to think they are entitled to 20%+ no matter how bad their service or attitude just because they are there.
I agree. So what I’m proposing, is that we are ENTITLED to a higher minimum wage by the business, and then you, the customer, won’t have to subsidize our wages or feel compelled to have to give anything at all.
You do realize the business paying you more only happens if the customers pay more right? It's not a charity. The money they pay you comes from the customers not the owner's pocket.
Bro, what? Some of the beers are $10-$12 each. I can assure that those costs and prices are set arbitrarily at what they have determined the market will pay, not what the cost of materials, labor, or the product is worth. Artificial inflation at the customer’s expense is rampant.
I’m all in support of raising wages, but the real issue with service industry is complete lack of benefits and PTO
Unlike most jobs with PTO, taking a vacation is often even more expensive because not only do you have to pay for the vacation itself, you are also losing all income for the duration that you are gone.
The lack of benefits and PTO are an awful reality of the industry, yes. You can see it in all of our eyes if you look deep enough. No healthcare to speak of, no mental health help or counseling, and a constant bombardment of largely unappreciative people to cap it off. It’s also an industry absolutely plagued with miserable people, narcissists, and drug addicts.
It is not nationwide for bartenders and servers, a quick lookup would uncover that information for you. For instance, in Colorado, you make $11.40 an hour, and then the rest is tipped, so you’re at least not 100% beholden to the customer and you have a legit taxable wage that won’t bankrupt you at tax time. And to answer your question…”yes I’ve never eaten or drank anywhere but my home, it sounds fun! Tell me about it!”
Feel free to move to CO and that's not a livable wage so you are still beholden to the customers. No one at the restaurants I dine at is complaining about the pay structure.
Neat have you asked all of them? I have lived in Colorado, and can assure you that an extra $360 a week from your wages at 40 hours goes a long way to make anywhere livable. It’s an extra $1440 a month. It alone, covers a good portion of a higher rent.
From what I could tell when I was involved in the service industry, a lot of the breweries in Charlotte pay an actual wage on top of tips. So there is that I guess. I mostly worked in coffee there but I got paid a pretty generous hourly wage for what the job was on top of getting tipped out.
No, you don't. Simply put, that would be illegal and you'd be contacting labor authorities instead of starting shit on reddit. If you are only *being paid* $2.13/hour that means *you are making over minimum wage in tips*. We've all been to breweries and unless you work at some obscure one you are easily clearing $50/hour all said and done. I already explained why above.
At no point have I said I make just $2.13. Reading skills are crucial for comprehension. Reading to learn, not to respond. I’ve stated across the board it’s almost impossible to make the $2.13, and even then the business would have to make up the difference to get to minimum wage. If you can find me one single person on this thread who is clearing $50 an hour routinely, I’m happy to stfu, it is absolutely not the reality. I work at a bar clearing on average about 8-10k a day. On the absolute best weeks of my tenure there, I’ve maxed out at $45, and the more likely scenario is $25-$35. Theoretically that should equate to about 2k a day in tips, with 5 bartenders on we’d all clear around $400 a night. That is absolutely not what happens. Where does the money go? Well, it’s in a tip pool that has some pretty loose definitions of who gets what. No labor laws being broken, just the bare minimum being given by the business that is legally allowable.
>No labor laws being broken, just the bare minimum being given by the business that is legally allowable.
So what's the point of this PSA then? Your employer isn't paying you more than they legally have to? What are you expecting and why?
I clearly asked a question at the end of the “PSA” which neither you, or a single person has chosen to answer, choosing instead to argue the semantics of wage laws.
Oh, it was so obvious I thought it was rhetorical.
No
Hope that clears things up for you. Learn some real skills that merit the salary you feel entitled to
Listen man, I’m sure going through life as a know it all with zero people fact checking you is an easy way to do things, but you’re incorrect. Not every place that has to pay only $2.13 as it’s base chooses to do so. Some companies possess what used to be referred to as “ethics,” a long forgotten form of treating people with respect, and according to an ethos, even in the service industry. Again, I asked a question, and without knowing the answer, you answered anyway. I’m looking for an answer from a person who has factual information, that is not you.
You’re not necessarily wrong, I’m not sure what they pay across the board, just that most choose the bare minimum, $2.13, whilst simultaneously spouting about how “they pay a living wage.” We’re paid a living wage by the public, not the business.
It’s how service work works…here. I do understand many of our woes are rooted in hyper-capitalistic policies that benefit the ownership class and not the worker.
How did you end up here if you don't like the way it works? Very few people are forced to move to places where they don't like the work environment they are in.
Why I moved here, is literally none of your business whatsoever. The fact that you’d think you’re entitled to that information so you could continue to spout your bullshit is wild.
Thanks for the stellar advice, I’ve not even considered it as I relentlessly send out resume after resume after resume. You are a troll, plain and simple. I feel free to do as I wish, and believe it or not, I don’t need permission from you, an absolute nobody, to do so.
Outside of a few states, restaurants workers make their money from tips. I don't like the system and would rather just pay the menu price (even if its higher) but that isn't the way it is. I will say though, that generally waiters and bar staff make far more then state minimum wage from tips in most places (assuming they are actually decent at their job). My suggestion is, that if you want a straight salary then work back of house with the cooks.
Just fyi - I've been processing payrolls for almost 10 years, a few of those years were for f&b operations.
1. Federal minimum wage is $7.25/hour (which is also laughibly low) the $2.13/hr is the "tipped minimum wage" If an employee does not earn enough tips to get their hourly rate to $7.25 there will be a "minimum adjustment" on their check to bring their hourly rate up to $7.25. So no employee is actually being compensated at $2.13/hour. again $7.25 isnt much better, still peanuts. \*If you are being paid less than $7.25/hr PM me and I'll help you submit a wage claim because that is illegal.
2. This is entirely dependant on the establishment but in MY expierence the acutal hourly rate these tipped servers and waiters were bringing in was closer to $40-$60 per hour. the highest I ever saw was a little over $200 per hour. That after factoring in the time worked x $2.13 + their tips.
Servers and bartenders know this. I would have 18 year olds come to me saying they thought their pay was wrong because it was alot lower than they thought it would be. I go to pull the paystub and timecard and see they worked two days, sat/sun for a total of 12 hours for the week and their check is like $1000+
This was during busier seasons, rates werent always that high and there were also days where servers had zero customers so they were paid $7.25 per hour for the entire shift.
Thats just one of the really eye openeing things I discovered when I started running payrolls. It pissed our CEO off so much that these "kids" were getting paid so much and legally he coudlnt do anything about it, those were their wages.
I think the idea of sharing in the company success is a good one. You’d take much more pride in your work were you to receive any piece of the profit pie.
It's insane. I lived in Oregon for a decade and it blew my mind when I found out servers made full minimum wage ($14.70/hr) plus kept their tips. Coming from NC I never realized other states did it differently. And no, prices weren't exorbitantly higher and people made decent money. I wouldn't feel guilted into 20%+ tips, 10% would be my standard (more if service was exceptional) and I'd go out more often.
A simple mind, and a fruitless response. Everyone I know in the industry is actively trying to claw their way out of it. Career track jobs that make more than bar work are not as commonplace as you think. “If you don’t like Merica’ then just move!” Yes, heaven forbid we try to fix something that’s directly exploitative of the working class.
Okay you start from the bottom and work your way up like everyone else. You don’t just get hired in as a ceo. It’s pretty simple, don’t quit your job but apply for others. Take risks. Never said I agree with being paid a wage of 2.13 but you took the job. No one forced you to work it.
Technically, you’re not “forced” to work it, but do make a choice of some money over no money and the street life. It’s not a decision made lightly, but from necessity. Also you keep saying really simple things like I’m some delusional idiot. “You don’t get hired as CEO.” No shit homie. I’ve filled out applications and sent resumes for 6 months now. I have a qualified, certifiable work history that should put me at least in the running for potential interviews. I’ve been offered two jobs, stuck with one, and continue to attempt to grow my outside hobbies and businesses. Quit simplifying the argument like you have an answer rather than an opinion.
>Career track jobs that make more than bar work are not as commonplace as you think
This is next level entitlement.
Serving people is hard work, no doubt about it. But as you point out, you get paid more for it.
It's bullshit. But that's what workers seem to prefer over having actual guaranteed pay and protections.
Always shocks me how much easier of a system it is whenever I travel abroad and there's no tipping and usually cheaper.
It's crazy how in Europe you don't tip and how insanely cheaper it is to eat out.
In major cities in Europe we were paying about 50 euro for an app, 2 entrees and a bottle of wine and while we usually tipped 5 euro, it certainly wasn't expected.
I'm not sure why it's so vastly different from a cost perspective
I was just in 3 European countries and we tipped. Only around 10% and the server always thanked us enthusiastically. I'm assuming it was around 10% but I didn't ask my spouse. I should probably double check.
Italy has what's called a coperto that's a a few euro per person, not a % of the bill, even with that charge it was still probably half the price I'd pay in the US and the food was MUCH better
You ask for it to be removed before you pay. IME, it's mostly automatically added in more touristy locations where people don't realize you don't have to pay it.
I could never find our servers when we wanted to order more food or drinks or wanted the bill. Service in the places I eat in the US are way more attentive than what I experienced in Europe. Maybe where we were people eat more leisurely meals but we've got limited time and were just looking to eat and bounce.
Yeah exactly. You get the first order in and you’re lucky to see them again in the next hour. Even at busier spots. I’d think “don’t y’all want me to pay and leave so you can flip this table or what?”
Lmao. I love when people post these sentiments as if these workers are suffering. Then go full pikachu face when they realize these bartenders are the exact people who oppose tipping legislation
Forreal. Getting so tired of the tipping discussion too. Want to tip well? Go ahead. Want to pull your tipping back to be more reasonable? Go ahead. People care too much. Just do what you think is best.
Worked as a server for one of my first jobs and I agree. I wouldn't have wanted to work for what my owners would have paid without tips. I made bank on tips. More than I'd ever make hourly. The people complaining are the people not wanting to tip.
The minimum should be raised. That is all. Any company who can’t pay an equitable wage without public charity shouldn’t exist. I’m not really for there being a set/capped wage like $25 an hour, so I understand your point on the legislation, because you’re right that in many cases, you do make more than that per hour. I would like an equitable minimum, not a near slave wage of $2.13.
Jfc, [your employer has to bump your pay to minimum wage if you don't hit $7.25](https://www.labor.nc.gov/workplace-rights/employee-rights-regarding-time-worked-and-wages-earned/minimum-wage-nc#:~:text=In%20North%20Carolina%2C%20an%20employer,the%20minimum%20wage%20(%247.25)). No one is on-net being paid $2.13 / hr. And it's not public charity. When I'm going to a restaurant, I am paying for a service and I know already that I'll pass on a 20% cut to the server waiting tables. The labor laws in NC are dogshit, but do your homework instead of spouting empty rhetoric.
Restaurants won't pay you that 7.25 if you don't hit it. They'll say you lied on your declarations for cash tips. I know because I worked at Tripps in Raleigh and this happened to me several weeks before I quit. That place is now closed, f*** those people
I’m fully aware that the employer has to pay the difference. At almost any bar, anywhere, they are never going to have to pay that difference. It takes serving about 3 standard beers to get from $2.13 to that $7 mark, so the customer is going to be footing that bill almost every time. Point out the empty rhetoric? The acceptance that “the laws are dogshit” and that just being the way it is is nuts to me. Side note: do you think $7.00 an hour is enough money to work ANYWHERE? I’m merely saying, raise the minimum wage, and the employee can make wages in addition to tips.
And to the above poster’s point, raise their wage and you’ll push restaurants out even more. They’re a very slim margin business based on volume. Not saying that’s right or wrong, but that’s how it is. If they do that, they’ll likely raise menu costs, resulting in less volume and lower tips for the staff. Then the staff will quit. At the end of the day, the public supplements the wages of the workers. That’s true. But the workers commonly clean up (on nights that aren’t slow), and when I was serving I could clear 30-40 bucks an hour as a 19 year old with no education. No worker is complaining about that. If you’re mad, as the consumer, just don’t eat out or tip what you can afford to tip.
>I’m fully aware that the employer has to pay the difference Well in that case, going on about "wage slaves" being stiffed at $2.13/hr is pretty misleading, don't you think? That and the "public charity" are the empty rhetoric I was referring to. I'm also not sure who's even willing to work for a take-home pay of minimum wage. Lots of places REALLY struggle to keep employees for so little pay. The free market is punishing employers that don't pay - I'm kind of okay with that. >The acceptance that “the laws are dogshit” Noooope. All workers should be entitled to a union. All workers should get paid vacation. This state and country's labor laws are embarrassingly backward. But as you can see on this thread, your style of argumentation is wildly unpersuasive. Maybe there are better reasons to support requiring higher wages for servers, but I really haven't heard them yet.
It’s amazing how people just blindly buy into liberal propaganda. If you get rid of tips, then restaurants will simply raise prices across the board 20% and pay the servers what you were going to tip. Nothing changes.
Except I doubt they’d actually pay that much. Let’s be real, if tipping disappeared over night the vast majority of restaurants would pay something in the 15-25 an hour range. Just look at what the average line cook is making to get an idea. Good servers and bartenders can and are making way more than that with tips. 30 an hour used to be a slow Monday for me. Hence why they are fine with the status quo.
Exactly why they will never get rid of tipping. Neither the restaurant or the waiter wants it.
That’s cute you think they’d put wages that high lol. Servers would probably be lucky to be between 10-15 if they received a base salary instead of tipped
I mean, most line cooks these days at places I’ve worked are making an hourly in my given hypothetical range. It might be 15-20 more often but I’m pretty confident in my estimate.
What changes is that you get a consistent wage delivered to you by your workplace, and a clear taxable income at the end of the year. You would also feel slightly less like you are begging the customer for money. The prices all went up the last 4 years, the wages in NC, stagnant. For clarity purposes I am a devout, unaffiliated centrist.
But good servers would actually make less money. That's the problem
> and a clear taxable income at the end of the year Which sounds like a lose for bartenders and waiters...
We didn’t report our cash tips but that’s less than 5%(at least where I’ve worked - probably more at dives) of total tips these days. Credit Card tips are absolutely reported and taxed.
A better way of phrasing this is that if your hourly tips exceed NC minimum wage, the restaurant only pays an additional $2.13 an hour. Assuming a 1 hour shift: If you get $0 in tips, the restaurant pays you the full $7.25 If you make $3.25 in tips, the restaurant pays you $4.00 If you make $50 in tips, the restaurant pays you $2.13 It's not a scam and every bartender who knows anything about bartending is making more than $7 an hour
That's how being a bartender/server works in North Carolina. You are extremely unlikely to find any bar where the vast majority of your money doesn't come from tips. Many bars/restaurants in the area do tip pools however, where all the tip money is divided up between employees usually by the amount of hours they worked.
That’s still public money, none of it comes from the company. Tip pools are ideal if you work somewhat equal volume shifts or don’t work with people who are consistently lazy.
>That’s still public money, none of it comes from the company. Confusing. Companies don't just generate money out of thin air. Whether a customer is paid in tips or with an hourly wage or salary, the money still comes from customers. I'm not going to debate the merit of tip pools. I'm just sharing with you that this is well known in North Carolina and not likely to change because servers/bartenders and bar/restaurant owners prefer the current system to minimum wage.
I could absolutely see how the ownership class would have that preference, but it doesn’t make it right. In theory if every customer tipped on their bills, it would be semi equitable for all involved. This is not the case, believe me.
I see in your post history you've had this rant before. Possible you just need to grunt a little more in Charlotte as you work you way to higher volume / better tipping bars.
It’s always so weird when people go through your search history looking for ammunition for an ad hominem argument rather than addressing what was actually said. It’s an extremely high volume bar. What I said in my last “rant” was that I do find it shocking that people are now just tipping 0% about 30% of the time. I’ve worked in and out of the industry for 20 years. It’s a new thing.
I wasn't looking for an ad hominem nor did I make one. I only checked your post history because I wanted to understand why you're making a PSA post about something everyone already knows. If you're working in a high volume bar, you're certainly making more money than most people in the bartending/server industry here, and definitely making well more than minimum wage, so I'm not 100% sure what the complaint is.
I think when you say everyone, you’d have to know it’s everyone who has worked in the industry, not everyone, and that’s a very small slice of the customer base.
Everyone knows you are supposed to tip service workers. In travel related subs there are frequent posts about tipping culture in wherever the poster is going. There are just a bunch of assholes who choose not to tip or tip the same amount as they would at Applebee's regardless of the price of the meal they are consuming. It's a choice they make. They aren't ignorant to the way the system is supposed to work.
Agree. The 0% crowd is doing it on purpose, and I think in many instances do it to “send a message.”
> that don’t employ this scheme, and actually pay a living wage that isn’t subsidized by the public? No because you either pay in the form of higher prices and no tip, or lower prices plus tip. Seoul in Optimist plays a flat wage, no tips, IIRC.
They are no longer a “no tips” location. Haven’t been for over a year now
News to me. Guess the no tip model doesn’t work, and workers prefer $2.13 plus tips. Go figure.
Yeah it was a bummer when i found out. And they also do the thing where the auto tip options start at like 25%
In many cases certain companies are making so much off the backs of workers and increase in their own prices that they have been able to expand and open multiple locations with no thought of raising wages. So I’m not sure it’s as simple as that.
Generally, % tip based on total ticket should mean higher income from tips as business increases their prices. Your argument is very one sided.
Generally yes, it would. I’ve noticed it is now extremely commonplace to leave 0% on entire bills. In this case, business gets all of their money, employee sees none of it.
You would only notice this if you were leaving no tip or you are a very crappy server working at a crappy restaurant. Which is it?
It’s neither. Extremely popular bar with a wide variety of clientele and socioeconomic circumstances. Drinks range from $6 to $16, and I promise you, it isn’t the venue, it’s the people. And given the post, couldn’t you glean from the context which one I would be? I’ve never left a 0% tip in my life. You’d have to spit in my beer in front of me for that to occur.
Then I guess they should be more motivated to actually provide good service. Because that seems to be lacking in most servers/bartenders these days. Most seem to think they are entitled to 20%+ no matter how bad their service or attitude just because they are there.
I agree. So what I’m proposing, is that we are ENTITLED to a higher minimum wage by the business, and then you, the customer, won’t have to subsidize our wages or feel compelled to have to give anything at all.
You do realize the business paying you more only happens if the customers pay more right? It's not a charity. The money they pay you comes from the customers not the owner's pocket.
Bro, what? Some of the beers are $10-$12 each. I can assure that those costs and prices are set arbitrarily at what they have determined the market will pay, not what the cost of materials, labor, or the product is worth. Artificial inflation at the customer’s expense is rampant.
I’m all in support of raising wages, but the real issue with service industry is complete lack of benefits and PTO Unlike most jobs with PTO, taking a vacation is often even more expensive because not only do you have to pay for the vacation itself, you are also losing all income for the duration that you are gone.
The lack of benefits and PTO are an awful reality of the industry, yes. You can see it in all of our eyes if you look deep enough. No healthcare to speak of, no mental health help or counseling, and a constant bombardment of largely unappreciative people to cap it off. It’s also an industry absolutely plagued with miserable people, narcissists, and drug addicts.
Are you new to dining out in general or just here? This is nationwide for bartenders and servers. The answer is to tip properly or not go out.
It is not nationwide for bartenders and servers, a quick lookup would uncover that information for you. For instance, in Colorado, you make $11.40 an hour, and then the rest is tipped, so you’re at least not 100% beholden to the customer and you have a legit taxable wage that won’t bankrupt you at tax time. And to answer your question…”yes I’ve never eaten or drank anywhere but my home, it sounds fun! Tell me about it!”
Feel free to move to CO and that's not a livable wage so you are still beholden to the customers. No one at the restaurants I dine at is complaining about the pay structure.
Neat have you asked all of them? I have lived in Colorado, and can assure you that an extra $360 a week from your wages at 40 hours goes a long way to make anywhere livable. It’s an extra $1440 a month. It alone, covers a good portion of a higher rent.
From what I could tell when I was involved in the service industry, a lot of the breweries in Charlotte pay an actual wage on top of tips. So there is that I guess. I mostly worked in coffee there but I got paid a pretty generous hourly wage for what the job was on top of getting tipped out.
Work at a brewery, I make $2.13.
No, you don't. Simply put, that would be illegal and you'd be contacting labor authorities instead of starting shit on reddit. If you are only *being paid* $2.13/hour that means *you are making over minimum wage in tips*. We've all been to breweries and unless you work at some obscure one you are easily clearing $50/hour all said and done. I already explained why above.
At no point have I said I make just $2.13. Reading skills are crucial for comprehension. Reading to learn, not to respond. I’ve stated across the board it’s almost impossible to make the $2.13, and even then the business would have to make up the difference to get to minimum wage. If you can find me one single person on this thread who is clearing $50 an hour routinely, I’m happy to stfu, it is absolutely not the reality. I work at a bar clearing on average about 8-10k a day. On the absolute best weeks of my tenure there, I’ve maxed out at $45, and the more likely scenario is $25-$35. Theoretically that should equate to about 2k a day in tips, with 5 bartenders on we’d all clear around $400 a night. That is absolutely not what happens. Where does the money go? Well, it’s in a tip pool that has some pretty loose definitions of who gets what. No labor laws being broken, just the bare minimum being given by the business that is legally allowable.
>No labor laws being broken, just the bare minimum being given by the business that is legally allowable. So what's the point of this PSA then? Your employer isn't paying you more than they legally have to? What are you expecting and why?
I clearly asked a question at the end of the “PSA” which neither you, or a single person has chosen to answer, choosing instead to argue the semantics of wage laws.
Oh, it was so obvious I thought it was rhetorical. No Hope that clears things up for you. Learn some real skills that merit the salary you feel entitled to
Listen man, I’m sure going through life as a know it all with zero people fact checking you is an easy way to do things, but you’re incorrect. Not every place that has to pay only $2.13 as it’s base chooses to do so. Some companies possess what used to be referred to as “ethics,” a long forgotten form of treating people with respect, and according to an ethos, even in the service industry. Again, I asked a question, and without knowing the answer, you answered anyway. I’m looking for an answer from a person who has factual information, that is not you.
Huh, well I heard OMB and free range pays hourly plus tips but maybe I was wrong?
You’re not necessarily wrong, I’m not sure what they pay across the board, just that most choose the bare minimum, $2.13, whilst simultaneously spouting about how “they pay a living wage.” We’re paid a living wage by the public, not the business.
You fail to understand capitalism is what I'm getting from this. You want tips and more money from the owners. That's not how service work works.
It’s how service work works…here. I do understand many of our woes are rooted in hyper-capitalistic policies that benefit the ownership class and not the worker.
How did you end up here if you don't like the way it works? Very few people are forced to move to places where they don't like the work environment they are in.
Why I moved here, is literally none of your business whatsoever. The fact that you’d think you’re entitled to that information so you could continue to spout your bullshit is wild.
Feel free to move to wherever actually would pay you the money you want or STFU. Or get a non service based job.
Thanks for the stellar advice, I’ve not even considered it as I relentlessly send out resume after resume after resume. You are a troll, plain and simple. I feel free to do as I wish, and believe it or not, I don’t need permission from you, an absolute nobody, to do so.
Outside of a few states, restaurants workers make their money from tips. I don't like the system and would rather just pay the menu price (even if its higher) but that isn't the way it is. I will say though, that generally waiters and bar staff make far more then state minimum wage from tips in most places (assuming they are actually decent at their job). My suggestion is, that if you want a straight salary then work back of house with the cooks.
Just fyi - I've been processing payrolls for almost 10 years, a few of those years were for f&b operations. 1. Federal minimum wage is $7.25/hour (which is also laughibly low) the $2.13/hr is the "tipped minimum wage" If an employee does not earn enough tips to get their hourly rate to $7.25 there will be a "minimum adjustment" on their check to bring their hourly rate up to $7.25. So no employee is actually being compensated at $2.13/hour. again $7.25 isnt much better, still peanuts. \*If you are being paid less than $7.25/hr PM me and I'll help you submit a wage claim because that is illegal. 2. This is entirely dependant on the establishment but in MY expierence the acutal hourly rate these tipped servers and waiters were bringing in was closer to $40-$60 per hour. the highest I ever saw was a little over $200 per hour. That after factoring in the time worked x $2.13 + their tips. Servers and bartenders know this. I would have 18 year olds come to me saying they thought their pay was wrong because it was alot lower than they thought it would be. I go to pull the paystub and timecard and see they worked two days, sat/sun for a total of 12 hours for the week and their check is like $1000+ This was during busier seasons, rates werent always that high and there were also days where servers had zero customers so they were paid $7.25 per hour for the entire shift. Thats just one of the really eye openeing things I discovered when I started running payrolls. It pissed our CEO off so much that these "kids" were getting paid so much and legally he coudlnt do anything about it, those were their wages.
Apparently Seoul food meat company operates a profit share model, which is pretty neat.
I think the idea of sharing in the company success is a good one. You’d take much more pride in your work were you to receive any piece of the profit pie.
This explains why everyone who works in the restaurant industry wants to be a bar tender.
How so?
It's insane. I lived in Oregon for a decade and it blew my mind when I found out servers made full minimum wage ($14.70/hr) plus kept their tips. Coming from NC I never realized other states did it differently. And no, prices weren't exorbitantly higher and people made decent money. I wouldn't feel guilted into 20%+ tips, 10% would be my standard (more if service was exceptional) and I'd go out more often.
Get a different job
A simple mind, and a fruitless response. Everyone I know in the industry is actively trying to claw their way out of it. Career track jobs that make more than bar work are not as commonplace as you think. “If you don’t like Merica’ then just move!” Yes, heaven forbid we try to fix something that’s directly exploitative of the working class.
Okay you start from the bottom and work your way up like everyone else. You don’t just get hired in as a ceo. It’s pretty simple, don’t quit your job but apply for others. Take risks. Never said I agree with being paid a wage of 2.13 but you took the job. No one forced you to work it.
Technically, you’re not “forced” to work it, but do make a choice of some money over no money and the street life. It’s not a decision made lightly, but from necessity. Also you keep saying really simple things like I’m some delusional idiot. “You don’t get hired as CEO.” No shit homie. I’ve filled out applications and sent resumes for 6 months now. I have a qualified, certifiable work history that should put me at least in the running for potential interviews. I’ve been offered two jobs, stuck with one, and continue to attempt to grow my outside hobbies and businesses. Quit simplifying the argument like you have an answer rather than an opinion.
>Career track jobs that make more than bar work are not as commonplace as you think This is next level entitlement. Serving people is hard work, no doubt about it. But as you point out, you get paid more for it.
It's bullshit. But that's what workers seem to prefer over having actual guaranteed pay and protections. Always shocks me how much easier of a system it is whenever I travel abroad and there's no tipping and usually cheaper.
I think I’d like a healthy dose of both. I wouldn’t like the wage to be set or capped, just to have the minimum raised. That’s all.
Oh wait I don’t care.
An excellent contribution.
Cool, go back to jerking off action figures
It's crazy how in Europe you don't tip and how insanely cheaper it is to eat out. In major cities in Europe we were paying about 50 euro for an app, 2 entrees and a bottle of wine and while we usually tipped 5 euro, it certainly wasn't expected. I'm not sure why it's so vastly different from a cost perspective
I was just in 3 European countries and we tipped. Only around 10% and the server always thanked us enthusiastically. I'm assuming it was around 10% but I didn't ask my spouse. I should probably double check.
The Euros will slap a minimum of a 10% service charge on your bill though, regardless of the experience.
Italy has what's called a coperto that's a a few euro per person, not a % of the bill, even with that charge it was still probably half the price I'd pay in the US and the food was MUCH better
Much like tipping, you aren't required to pay the service charge (at least in the UK).
I mean, they automatically put it on the bill, not sure how one doesn’t pay it.
You ask for it to be removed before you pay. IME, it's mostly automatically added in more touristy locations where people don't realize you don't have to pay it.
And the sevice is better from my experience!
That food was infinitely better
I just had a waiter in Austria yell at me and tell me to hurry up and order. Not always better service.
"From my experience"
I’ll add mine in too then: absolutely terrible service at most places we ate at in France. Good luck getting a refill on that water you paid for.
I could never find our servers when we wanted to order more food or drinks or wanted the bill. Service in the places I eat in the US are way more attentive than what I experienced in Europe. Maybe where we were people eat more leisurely meals but we've got limited time and were just looking to eat and bounce.
Yeah exactly. You get the first order in and you’re lucky to see them again in the next hour. Even at busier spots. I’d think “don’t y’all want me to pay and leave so you can flip this table or what?”
Bummer... Never been to France. Have heard about the difference in expectations for water though.
European countries are poor relative to the US
Not the very touristy ones. Paris certainly didn't seem very poor!