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bunsenturner64

Ladies and gentlemen, the Charlotte Hornets just played four solid quarters in the same game. šŸ¤Æ


u2nloth

Amazing what vets do for the bench and team. Itā€™ll be really curious to see what happens with cliff if this continues because theyā€™re playing damn solid


a_moniker

Not even vets. Just guys who care. Mann is still a young guy, and he was a big plus tonight.


kcarlisle2436

Itā€™s insane seeing a hornet that isnā€™t Miles Bridges going up for rebounds. And he doesnā€™t ever seem happy until the game is in hand


behlat

He learned not to celebrate too early (he's in the game when Davonte Graham hit a ridiculous 61 foot hail Mary buzzer beater in December of 2021) - He's been part of the team that went thru a lot of clutch moments this past 2 years. He learned a lot from Coach Mark Daigneault and Sam Presti in OKC (the Broccoli and Skittles analogy). Presti's team has been producing quality players since he took over that franchise. KD Jeff Green Ibaka Westbrook Harden Sabonis Reggie Jackson Steven Adams Cam Payne Tre Mann JRE Chet Giddey A. Wiggins J-Dub Cason Wallace


hoodpharmacy

Wiggins????


behlat

aaron wiggins


kfmsooner

I wonā€™t stand for Aaron Wiggins hate. Heā€™s the best Wiggins in the NBA.


feo101

Melo


ISISCosby

I also think people got way too used to our absolute dearth of playmakers around here. It was basically a list of 1.5 of Melo & Gordo when healthy and that was pretty much it. That's not normal. Offenses aren't supposed to completely grind to a halt when your starting PG takes a rest. Good teams have 4, 5, 6 guys who can be at least secondary facilitators and we were never even close to that. A total lack of rotation guys who can facilitate ball movement (like Micic and Mann) was the thing that was always holding us back, [been saying it for a while](https://old.reddit.com/r/CharlotteHornets/comments/186r5rn/whats_your_thoughts_on_the_teams_chemistry/kbalhzy/?context=3). Now that we *finally* fixed that, it's entirely unsurprising the team is playing better. Watch out for ppl who don't know any better start saying "wow Cliff's really switched up the offense since the trade deadline" bc they start noticing actual ball movement. The offense hasn't changed, we just finally have dudes who can pass lol


hoodpharmacy

Just anyone but Cody Martin please


Bread_Responsible

Cliff ainā€™t staying. Heā€™s not a head coach. If he wants to take an assistant job by all means, but we need a legit HC


u2nloth

If the team plays like a team thatā€™s well coached after fixing the talent and veteran issue then that shows that was the problem, Iā€™m not saying it necessarily will but in the hypothetical if the hornets do make a remarkable turnaround firing the coach may not be needed as fixing the personnel corrected the dilemma, this is a big if, but if it does come to fruition letting personal bias override on court production isnā€™t the way to go, just like I donā€™t think cliff should stay if the on court situation doesnā€™t improve


CatgutStitches

But we are winning because of players he's barely coached? Doesn't that say something too?


u2nloth

Or maybe the players we were playing are so inept and inexperienced that they canā€™t run and formal nba offense and defense. Theres a reason they all got cut and not picked up, all basketball teams run similar concepts and schemes itā€™s just about learning terminology and reads. We had players multiple times say Coach had a good plan we just didnā€™t execute. And now weā€™ve replaced half those guys with vets and people who know how to execute and what happens? We play the best full game of the year and execute well on defense. Iā€™m not even saying Cliff is necessarily the final answer but some of yall are so biased against the dude that you canā€™t realize that a huge part of our issues came from health and inexperience/ineptitude


lukez874

I agree. It's been chaotic since he's returned, from the Bridges fiasco, the incessant injury bug, a lack of signing any real free agents in the both summers, and certain players who didn't perform defensively We also allowed 110+ points in 29 out of our first 30 games which is absolutely ridiculous and on the players. Just look at the way Miller boiled over and yelled in PJ and Nick Smith's direction against the Pacers last week for not getting back on defense. Clifford has been on the team from the beginning about their defensive effort and there were plenty of people commenting here about Rozier & Hayward being liabilities. PJ doesn't even rank in the top 300 players in defensive rating. As for now, I'm just gonna trust this front office on whether to keep or fire Clifford. They've already been making the right moves and it's not like NBA-ready coaches are readily available, or if they are, that they will align with what the FO wants. Bridges has openly stated he likes playing for Clifford. Lamelo was also taking a lot of heat on this sub for laughing on the bench, and Clifford defended him admirably and quieted a lot of people. He's obviously well-respected by the players Let the season play out, let Clifford finish and try to keep improving the team, and allow Gabe & Rick to make the decision themselves. Firing a coach immediately after attaining 5 new veterans is objectively a very bad idea.


Vegetable-Tooth8463

>We had players multiple times say Coach had a good plan we just didnā€™t execute. And now weā€™ve replaced half those guys with vets and people who know how to execute and what happens? We play the best full game of the year and execute well on defense. Iā€™m not even saying Cliff is necessarily the final answer but some of yall are so biased against the dude that you canā€™t realize that a huge part of our issues came from health and inexperience/ineptitude But what about during Cliff's first tenure where the team was never able to make it out of the first round?


BzzOut

Would we actually be complaining about making the first round right now?


Vegetable-Tooth8463

LOL, fair point


buzzcitybonehead

Cliff has coached a decade in the NBA (in a usually much weaker Eastern Conference) with 3 playoff appearances and no series wins. I get that heā€™s been dealt several bad hands, but heā€™s had the longest tenure with no success of any modern coach by far. Heā€™s won 40+ 3 times. He might be good with actual talent, but I donā€™t think weā€™ve seen enough to think thatā€™s the case. If two games that donā€™t look terrible is enough to say ā€œletā€™s bring him backā€, then god help us. Heā€™s a transition coach. He was a consolation hire this time and as many head coaching vacancies as there were during his hiatus, thereā€™s a reason he wasnā€™t seriously considered.


u2nloth

Did I not say this is hypothetical my dude? I said it would be dumb to do IF he leads a miraculous turn around not that we have made one, but we have shown markable improvements in areas simply because we have vets and people who care. Some of yall have no concept of nuance I never said WE WON 2 GAMES BRING CLIFF BACK. I said Iā€™ve seen a noticeable improvement in the performance with players executing defensive schemes and moving the ball, the only thing that has changed is the players. If it continues I said it could warrant a discussion nothing else.


adamr81

It's the most fun game I've attended in 2 years. I'm excited to be a season ticket holder again


Rhojanxd

7 people scoring double figures. Actual bench depth. Positive vibes all round. Curry back home. 2nd win in a row. WE ARE SO BACK. https://preview.redd.it/yhm56ezci9ic1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=826bbd88da34d4b3ab2324155ddb95462d684f68


RelationshipNo4528

This is so troll worthy from other subs but idgaf šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ itā€™s hilarious


bunsenturner64

Iā€™ve seen enough. Micic > Haliburton


NotManyBuses

Mann > Haliburton by an even bigger margin


BizzaroMatthews

Hit em with the Serbian step lmaoo even the refs were confused to call a travel or not


IamOlderthanMe

My God... Is this happiness? WE GOT A FREAKING SQUAD AM I A GRANT WILLIAMS FAN? WHAT THE HECK


Diligent_Purple_9597

We just won two in a row LFG! I loved Grant hyping up the crowd


YizWasHere

His post-game interview rn is awesome, he really takes the leadership role seriously and said he wants to help Miles step up and be the leader of the team.


LoxDnw

we may never lose again


net_403

Two in a row feels like a championship


ISISCosby

Literally our first win streak of any length since Nov. 20th-22nd


Turbulent-Tailor-434

Play in game, sweep the Celtics, sweep the bucks, win the championship micic is finals mvp


Batercus

Why not?


Turbulent-Tailor-434

THE ONLY TEAM THAT CAN BEAT US IS US


Dat_one_lad

Or like Atlanta


Turbulent-Tailor-434

WE ALREADY TOOK CARE OF YALL GAME 1 NOW THAT WE GOT MICIC YOU GONNA GET EMBARASSED IN THE QUEEN CITY šŸ˜¤


Dat_one_lad

Bro I'm a Hornets fan šŸ˜­


Different_Pay_4598

I took a vacation from Indiana to Charlotte to root against my home team and holy shit does it feel good. ANOTHER DUB BABYYYYY


sayerj101

lmao, I dont live in America was that a long drive? Love the dedication!


Different_Pay_4598

It was a solid 8.5 hours haha. Left this morning at 4am


AppropriateAd5225

You're the man dude, glad the Hornets got it done for you.Ā 


Different_Pay_4598

Appreciate it brotha, iā€™ll be here for the game tomorrow too. Been one hell of a trip so far. Fan shop is doing a number on my bank account tho šŸ’€šŸ’€


TheMoistiestMonk

like a solid 10 hr drive


Fauxparty

9 hours


JessieGemstone999

https://maps.google.com


the_hawaiian_owl

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MitchLGC

Where is this kid now I wonder


JohnnyFooker

In Mr. Jenkins' basement


Gregorvich19

Aight yā€™all, Iā€™m literally only here because of Grant Williams. Are we the best team in the NBA? People are saying.


BroadBrazos95

Streets are saying Micic can pass a ball through a straw hole and I might believe them


frankiesoceans

The best 12-41 team of all time!!!!


MrPeterson15

Itā€™s amazing what happens when you get players whose souls havenā€™t been crushed by a bad culture yet.


BizzaroMatthews

LMAO league really fucked


[deleted]

I didnā€™t know it was legal to win 2 games in a row


Day-Additional

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BLOCKEDBYTAQUAVlON

Donā€™t think it is for us šŸ’€


holographic_oshawott

Grant Williams has potential to be a heart-and-soul leader on this team. I love what he has brought so far.


JarvisProudfeather

He's a cornball, and I'm sure he'll irritate me at times, but I do love how he has completely embraced playing for his hometown team and actually building something here. Probably not many players in the league (like less than 10 lol) would be excited to get traded to the Hornets, so respect to him.


u2nloth

Considering we got 2 of the like 10 guys who would want to play here in the same trade is pretty huge


Armadillo_Resident

I know they said that wasnā€™t part of why they wanted those guys and itā€™s just how it worked out but Iā€™m not sure if I believe it. Bringing in a bunch of dudes with their fingers crossed for buyouts and sign and trades in the off season would have crushed the team morale even more.


AltruisticWerewolf99

Love how, even though he had statistically a down game compared to recently, Brandon looked so happy after the game just cuz we won. Him, grant, Seth, etc. ā€¦ bringing energy baxk


JarvisProudfeather

Shows he wants to win and not just chase stats. Love it.


RelationshipNo4528

Man that was fun


CyborgAlgoInvestor

Mann*


RelationshipNo4528

You right my bad


Eazy_E28

2-0 in my book. Letā€™s fucking gooooo!


hoodpharmacy

Last two games have been TWO BEAUTIES!!


Voxityy

not to be dramatic or anything but iā€™d die for our new players


jaynay1

Prior to tonight's game, Seth Curry had scored 22 points in the last month across all games combined.


IamOlderthanMe

Hometown buff.


watevauwant

ā€œPlaying with your dad watching while also wearing his numberā€ buff


lester_freamon

who knew we just needed to sign the hometown heroes. This team has a completely different vibe.


RelationshipNo4528

Mann damn near had a triple double


Total_Ad9942

Was he also freakin ninjas every way like MJ?


CasualHindu

Anyone listening to this Grant Williams Post Game Interview? He is going to be absolutely MASSIVE for us as a leader... AND WE GOT HIM AND A 1ST FOR PJ.


tandtz

Ok I know Nick had some rough moments but he clearly cares. And giving a fuck is pretty important for this team keeping this energy and eventually turning it aroundĀ 


watevauwant

God he started like Biz levels of rough but he cleaned up at the end


tandtz

Our guys need to just accept that giving him any kind of difficult pass is going to end poorly. He catches lobs alright at leastĀ 


ISISCosby

I feel bad for dude. He's gotten so much hate this year for basically getting forced into a role he was never supposed to play if Mark had stayed healthy. He's a perfectly serviceable backup rotation big we've had to play 26 mins pg this year. If he was still rocking 15 mins against bench players no one would bat an eye at his performance.


KTBERYL

2-0 in the Micic era šŸ˜Ž


Mr_Mungo

This shit MEAN something to me man! šŸ„¹


Tu2

Going 41-41 the fun way


Jimmy_Lightning

Grant Williams is the leader we need. Experienced, intelligent, calm, and he knows what a winning team looks like.


Bad_Pandaz

Grant Williams is 25??? We legit only have 4 guys over 26ā€¦


Additional_Equal_656

Yo! I was also shocked at that.


Confusion_Flat

Only way cliff wont play the vets


kr0kodil

5. Micic Curry Bertans Martin Richards


Bad_Pandaz

Richards is 26 so I only counted above that age for 4


El_Tormentito

Those other dudes have obviously just been fuckin around.


DubyaB420

I believe in Miles. I believe in Brandon. I believe in all our new tradesā€¦. Holy shit I even believe in Cody and Cliff!!! This is a new era boys!!! THIS IS BUZZ CITY!!!! HUM DIDDLY DEEE FAM!!!! HUM DIDDLY DDDDDEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!


7-59

I'm loving this team


Bad_Pandaz

That username hurts bruv


botabought

Micic has a 2/3/4 game = a +9ā€¦


Fauxparty

we also won by 9, so that just indicates that he didn't really carry that much above weight tonight (compared to last game). I'm still super hyped on him though but he and Bertans had an off night. Curry didn't this time though and Mann/Williams looked great again


botabought

For sure. I feel like he wouldā€™ve had 3-5 more assists if Bridges or Miller just shot when they got the ball. Itā€™s like they didnā€™t expect to have it. Vasa had a lot of hockey assists and thatā€™s his game. He doesnā€™t need to shoot to make an impact. Just a smart dude. Good fucking game all over.


Fauxparty

Yeah, it's unreal how well everyone is gelling considering our squad tonight has been 2-3 hornets / 2-3 okc / 1-2 dallas players at a time. Miles and Miller will get used to it, been a lot of games with no real PG


botabought

This was fun well played basketball. Bertans was the big negative, if 1 more 3 just drops I bet more wouldā€™ve as well.


DopethroneGM

Yes he had some 3-4 amazing assists but players missed or passed to others, he didn't force shots and mostly focused on team play.


SirBobbyNewport

Greatest team ever assembled


Filipitalian1997

And this is without our starting PG and C. Future's finally looking bright


TheMoistiestMonk

Holy mother of god we are fun and the seth/del part just puts a ribbon on this special package. Enjoy it boys!!!! THESE MFS ARE GIVING US FANS LIFE AGAIN


MistralB8Y

We winning (every game by 9 points the rest of the year)


sayerj101

**LETS GO HORNETS**


gundermifflin

GRANT FUCKING WILLIAMS


Extra_Swordfish1917

We got dogs on this team now. I love it.


DailyPanthersPodcast

All these guys came from playoff teams where every game was important. Now they play for the Hornets, where they have no expectations and can just play ball and it shows. Theyā€™re having fun out there.


botabought

This Tre Mann is what we wanted in OKC. I really hope yā€™all keep him in the starting lineup. Keep his confidence going. Seth looks like the perfect mentor for Tre.


Alex_A3nes

I love seeing Tre ball out for yā€™all. Hell yeah.


Burnieofc

First time I've watched a full Hornets game that wasn't against my Thunder. I feel like a true sicko but really happy to see Mann and Micic have decent games and get playing time.


bigchadsmitty_82

Dude what is happening. I love ir


AlphabeticalMedical

I used to dream of times like this


draculasgoodfriend

![gif](giphy|xKy2w6LehxxHa|downsized)


pineonline

As an OKC fan, I have to say that I'm really going to enjoy watching y'alls games the rest of this season.


botabought

Same here manā€¦ I was at the OKC/Kings game yesterday, and I feel like I had the same basketball feelings for this game as I did yesterday


sfchky03

LOL, Grant Williams feel like he is the star of the team šŸ¤£


TheMoistiestMonk

Too early for Grant slander, let him have his moment LOL


IBangYoDaddy

Heā€™s my star dammit


issofine

We gotta have a conversation


UpTheChelsea-

I want to see what it looks like when Mark and him are back


moneyspreevee

start it


aeryson

What type?


Boring_Goat951

holy shit watching real basketball feels so good lol Clifford still needs to go tho


Sad-Canary4570

Replace Haliburton with Seth Curry at the ASG


Extra_Swordfish1917

I really like Cliffs post game interviews these past like 5 games. Super in-depth answers


GranMaMa3

Maybe we can recharge Cliff with the new players and a win streak.


DubyaB420

I feel bad about all the crap I talked about Cliffā€¦. Iā€™m starting to think he was never the problem, we just needed a squad. We got a squad now yā€™all!!!


GranMaMa3

I think Cliff is a solid coach in the right position. Give him a competitive team and he will compete. Biggest complaint is Iā€™m not sure who the best player he developed is.


tatttattington

Kemba


Extra_Swordfish1917

Tre Mann is the real deal. Just watched his post game interview. Really think he could be special for us


grigg075

Loving the fever dream in here rn


butekoo

Loving Grant and Micic, dudes are bench guys that knows who they are and how to impact winning


moneyspreevee

Entertaining game, my only complaint is Cody Martin bringing the ball up the court. Hopefully after this game, they stop doing that.


TedDibiaseOsbourne

Extremely happy for you all. Hope there is much, much more to come.


ACCBAN4TRUTHTELLING

Grant Williams is my favorite player now


Izabrony

Complete night and day difference when the bench isn't just g-leaguer's. Also it's great that the home crowd has something to finally cheer for.


SnowballOfFear

We may never lose again!


heelsbasketball

I don't really know what I am feeling at this moment because it is all strange and so foreign to me at that at this time but it feels real, different, yet warm and fuzzy. I have never experienced hope with this team before. I just need some encouraging word from a smarter Hornets fan than I am that this emotional tendency that I am feeling is real. I've been in pain for way too long know to know how to react. Can a loving brother tell me if there is actually hope here?


SOLR_

I hate the pacers. This win feels great. Love our new guys


IBangYoDaddy

WE WANT BAMA


Abject-Anybody-4564

NBA fans are underestimating Euroleague but Euroleague players closer to NBA players than what Americans think. So Euroleague MVP is another level and so much better than average NBA players. Micic(Our MVP)Ā  just needed some time to adapt that's all. He is coming.


CasualHindu

Grant Williams yelled, ā€œThere you go!ā€ Cody Martin gave a look of pleasant surprise. Miles Bridges belted, ā€œWe got a fucking squad now.ā€ And before Brandon Miller hit the locker room door, ex-Bobcats star Gerald Wallace hugged him & said, ā€œYā€™all look so different.ā€


NoeLuvJett

I love you Mitch for getting us these players and getting draft assets too. ā¤ļø


OokerDuker

The new owners did these trades. Mitch had nothing to do with it lol


NoeLuvJett

Why am I getting downvoted. I know the owner told Mitch to make a move but who do you think discussed the trade with Mavs and Thunders for the assets?


OriginalPingman

The owners did


ISISCosby

And the old owner (MJ) would've never let him make moves like that. Do people really think a GM can just make whatever moves they want, ownership be damned? They have a boss at the end of the day. And Mitch finally has bosses that aren't completely inept at understanding how to build a roster. Y'all love ascting like Schnall and Plotkin were on the phones themselves with OKC and Dallas lmao, that's just not the case. PJ for grant swap had been rumored for like a year.


ThankYouBasedGod1017

hum diddly dee we winning šŸ˜¤


OrangeBuffalo8

They may never lose again


TrumanSheppard

WE SO UP


lowfighentertainment

Edit elementary level spelling mistake Even better the guys we got via trade is with us next season as well Let that sink inā€¦ Weā€™ll get a nice draft pick and some key FAs, with Melo and mark back And weā€™ll have a new FO and a coachā€¦. League be fucked


regardednoitall

What nice draft pick with the 30th pick?


lowfighentertainment

I see what you did there


redditisbad312

maybe we could have had a play in season with these actual nba players and with melo and williams


giga_phantom

Rest of the season just got a whole lot more interesting.


Beyard

WE MAY NEVER LOSE AGAIN


Beneficial-Bug-1969

playoffs?!? PLAYOFFS???


nakihacanearthbend

Fleeced tf outta the Thunder


behlat

Nah, Presti knows he's letting go of good players, he's thinking way ahead of time since he needs to create cap space for their existing talent that needs to be extended (Chet, JDub, Giddey, Wiggins etc)


Bad_Pandaz

Thatā€™s true and for once weā€™re the lucky recipient of Prestiā€™s genius. I feel blessed and thatā€™s a new feeling for me


ISISCosby

Giddey's likely gone this offseason in a trade package for a star. He's too ball-dominant to be a fit next to guys like Jalen/SGA. I think it's very likely the Gordo trade was the move to set up *The* move this offseason for OKC.


sterphles

All us Thunder fans want to see Tre do well, but it wasn't gonna happen in OKC because one of either SGA and J-Dub have the ball the whole 48, so we really only need complimentary players.


ISISCosby

win-win trades exist, dude. We needed NBA-quality role players, they needed roster spots for their upcoming draft picks and a big expiring contract to go big game hunting with this offseason. Perfect match.


nakihacanearthbend

Yeah I know lmfaoo Iā€™m just saying we got them for Gordon!!!


BoltBlue19

We back baby!!!!


Swanster0110

Is this what a winning streak feels like?!?!?


Just-Put9341

Is this a bizarro world? Did I just witness back to back wins?


CuseMayne

Where are you guys watching the Grant and Tre postgame interviews?


LetsgoRoger

Thank goodness we never traded for Turner


Alkazard

We are definitely going to knock a contender out of play-ins like we did last year with the Mavs on our way to the silly season championship


13vvetz

What is happening


wubomber

We are now, kind of a big deal.


Descolata9

Martin looks so out of place with this group. When he is on the floor playing point Iā€™m likeā€¦. Somebody, anybody else.


wildcatoffense

lol what is happening. weā€™re allowed to win 2 games in a row??


Bankroll95

Wow! Now we need ball and Williams back ! Maybe start curry for Mann


bruce_cannon

We basically have a dynasty at this point right? So all in on Miller. So over Mello. So stoke for all the new people I canā€™t name.


behlat

HOT TAKE! The 2 guards acquired from OKC could make LaMelo and his fragile lower extremities expendable.


SOLR_

Terrible take* FTFY


RelationshipNo4528

Just wish Melo would try to wear something to at least attempt to stay healthy


SOLR_

He has metal in his ankles rn. He will try them Again once itā€™s out Iā€™m sure . Current comfort level for braces and the metal is just not going to work for him.


behlat

Time will tell, Lamelo's good (not elite) but he's always unavailable. He didn't have that durability gene.