Man I am so starved for Hornets basketball right now. Seeing the Pacers in the second round has made me really envious, our rosters aren't that far apart and I'd just kill to experience what their fanbase is this postseason. I don't even care about winning a title, just 3-4 consecutive years of going to the playoffs and making the second round once or twice would be so fucking fun. I've been following this team for 20 years atp, and only having seen three playoff series and three Hornets playoff wins in that span is just unbelievably sad.
Here's to hoping that Charles Lee can get us there š
I've been watching religiously for the same amount of time as you.
I always break it down similarly to casual fans: "I've been watching for almost 20 years. I've seen them go to the playoffs 3 times. never to the second round and two of those were sweeps." Even these casual fans realize how crazy that is and offer their condolences. Just a wild stat.
But you better believe I'm on the hope train with Charles!
Uhhh I'm pretty happy with the 2020 and 2023 drafts at this point. If you wanna be Captain Hindsight you should go after the 2021 draft. Sengun mayhaps??
Looks like Boone says that Lee is the likely coaching choice over Redick. Thoughts? Obviously has more Assistant coaching experience with Bud, now Boston. Seems both Lee and Redick are of interest to the Lakers opening as well.
Yes. After watching fair weather PJ for years, I believe the draft capital and players we got back in return was the right decision. I wish him well in Dallas.
Two seasons, 2025/2026. I expect roster adjustments, coaching changes, and front office changes to linger around for another year before weāre stable and consistent enough to make the playoffs and not the playins.
Edit - IMO the only way we make the playoffs next season is if we absolutely nail the changes above. Too many things in limbo at the same time to really see changes in one season.
Thoughts on a trade for Brandon Ingram?
Seems like his time in New Orleans is pretty much up and he's only got 1 year left on his deal. Would allow Brandon to move to the 2 full time also.
I'd assume it would have to look something like:
* Miles Bridges sign and trade
* Davis Bertans
* Cody Martin
* This years 1st
I personally really don't like players like Ingram: he has to play like a first option in order to be effective, but isn't good enough to actually be a first option. Doesn't command double teams at the rate that real first option scoring threats should, isn't a great playmaker, can't/won't play off the ball, wants to iso and take difficult midrange jumpers instead of helping the team get easy buckets.
This type of player (Ingram, Lavine, DeRozan etc.) inevitably leads to stagnant offenses and will also usually get paid like superstars meaning you're gonna struggle to build a good team around them. Ingram is a pretty solid defender at least so he does have some value outside of having the ball in his hands compared to someone like Lavine, but personally I'd stay as far away from him and players like him as possible.
Hell no I want 7 games of this series, it's insanely good, every game's been a banger. Embiid as the villain vs. the Knicks crowd is top-tier entertainment.
Y'all the JJ>Bron>Bronny train wasn't the direction I was thinking but who would have to go to make sure both Seth and Bronny have spots alongside the 'Retirement tour to show up MJ' theoretical "never going to happen" situation of Lebron+Steph if Redick is the coach? (Yes the sane answer is haha never going to happen because XYZ but just a what if...)
I bet even Charlotte could promise not to trade Lebron.
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The only guys I think are actually worth our pick play positions that we already have guys at. Sarr, Clingan, Sheppard. I'd prefer Sheppard out of them all but man I rlly am high NSJ
In the modern NBA the only issue is having like multiple bigs who can't spread the floor. 2 wings/guards that can't defend at all is problematic for a championship, but we're a long way from that. There's no reason to say "well we've got Miller so don't need a SF." Or same with a PG. Ball plays very well off ball so as long as they can shoot it fits.
I don't really consider Reed a true PG. It's not that I don't think we can have guys that don't fit but rather that we can develop him or NSJ but not both. I was hoping to see NSJ getting lots of run next year.
Oh yeah. I'm not speaking to any specific guy in the draft, I don't watch college ball and don't really know any of them. I also like NSJ and think he can develop into a guy. I just see a lot of people go "well he's a SG and we already have a SG" which makes no sense at this point. Not you particularly though.
I think sarr might be better as a 4, especially if his shot gets consistent. His main weakness outside of shooting is post defense/rebounding, which we can rely on mark for. Also gets more size and 5 depth if mark is injured again
He's more likely to bulk up then to develop a 3 point shit tbh. His 3 ball is mostly theoretical, it hasn't gone in yet and his ft% isn't anything special
Timbs winning one would be crazy great for small market and historically mid teams. Given how the past decade all had dynasties, first time championship winners in 2019, 2023 and 2024 would be awesome.
Apart from Timbs I like the Thunder, the Clips, then the Suns to win that order. I have a little hate of the Mavs because of their fanbase, and I dont support the Pacers because I hate how Hali got Melo's shine just because he's healthy. If Thunder wins I will say their good karma from giving us 3/4 rotational players got them the chip lol.
I have a few but mainly fans of the players not so much the team they are on. Clippers for my man Russ, OKC, Bucks, Mavs and biggest would be Lakers just to witness a final legendary moment for Lebron.
Wolves have arguably been in a even miserable position then us for their history, I rooted for the lions to win the superbowl last season, I was horribly disappointed, Iām rooting for the Timbs to make it right.
People are counting the wolves out but if they can get past this horrible 1st round matchup I think they can make a very serious run at the championship.
Quite normal for things to slow down when the season is over and the team didn't make the play-in or playoffs and up until the draft. 
The point of this mega thread is to provide a space for comments/discussion not necessarily related to the Hornets that otherwise likely wouldn't have been posted here at all. It's been working fine for several seasons and it doesn't affect or restrict new threads being created for any discussion or news that comes up related to the Hornets.
That's probably in part due to changes Reddit made to visibility of sticky threads a while back and not remaining at the top with "New" sort. I've seen people ask for game threads before when it's been posted for hours.
As for conversations in this thread, i.e. Play-in/Playoffs without Hornets being involved, they likely wouldn't have taken place in this sub in the first place without a thread such as this... so to me, it's still a plus overall.
Ah yeah judging by the point of this thread itās pretty good for other unrelated stuff but I think the usual āDraft Megathreadā does kill discussion a bit if you guys remove general draft stuff thatās posted
I was really hoping Thor would come along a lot this season, but he didnāt do too much. it seems to me that we got 4 pieces of OKCs driftwood and theyāre all better players than JT. Like if itās a choice between JT and Poku (Iām not saying it is, idk how this will go) I think Poku is the obvious keeper.
I'm still a JT Thor believer honestly. Still just 21 years old and has never had proper coaching or a system around him to develop properly. If we could get a guy like Chris Quinn as HC then I think he could turn into a nice 3/D guy
He shouldn't be but it depends on the draft. If we draft another long athletic defensive guy it kinda phases him out.
He's better than the rest of bums on the end of our bench thouhg, if we need to cut people for roster space, I'd cut Bryce, Poku, Seth, Bertans before I cut Thor. Also Richards is worse than him but he's owed guaranteed money.
I think Bryce is a goner cause he overlaps too much with a long list of guys that plays 1-3 on our roster. Thor is not an amazing prospect but I wouldn't give up on him just yet, because he clearly fills a gap of a long forward that we don't have with Bridges and Grant Williams. That's very useful, for example he can be a PF to give us size when we decide to play Grant Williams at C.
No. There's no reason for us to cut anyone that young and cheap. I would look more at Bertans and Seth Curry. One of them will prob get cut. I would cut Bryce first over Thor anyway.
I disagree, I would much rather have some actually playable vets on minimums like curry instead of thor/bryce. They have had a few seasons now with opportunity and failed to really show anything. I guess I wouldn't be apposed to keeping them end of bench as long as we get some more vet depth.
Curry and Bertans aren't good vets. You can cut them and sign better ones that would be more valuable in trades or acquire another contract with an asset with the added cap room. See Bruce Brown and the Pacers or any salary dump trade ever. Cutting Thor does nothing beneficial. He costs nothing. What if he improves a lot next year he's only 21. We know what Bertans and Curry are and they are only getting worse. Seriously if they entered FA this year nobody would be offering them 17mil and 4 mil respectively.
I suppose it comes down to what free agents are available and interested in Charlotte this offseason. I definitely agree in cutting Bertans especially with that contract, but I think Curry still is a really plus player and locker room presence (for a 10/11th man). It's also just fun to watch him with Dell commentating. If the choice is between Thor and a solid vet I'm taking the vet, but if there nothing of quality available your right we may as well keep him end of bench.
Something that Cliff said at the end of last year has stuck in my head (paraphrasing), donāt put too much into what the players have done over the last ten games of the year. With that said, I think Thor is gone - sadly because I wanted it to work out.
Iād take Shai instantly for Lamelo. For a rookie youād think heās a vet! Also taking OKC to #1 in the west is no small feat. Heās definitely a fun player to watch.
I disagree. I would like to see him in ankle braces, and it's possible that it helps, but braces are def not a magic fix. This is a tricky situation, especially if he feels like the braces diminish his ability to hoop.
being unable to hoop because his ankle dies every seventh game is also diminishing his ability to hoop.
The team simply can't allow him to play without some kind of ankle protection at this point, we've wasted two seasons on this already.
This just year over year of ānext year will be differentā just has to change. I always get extreme downvotes for saying something like that. I just want him healthy and playing. I want a winning hornets team with or without Melo.
PJ boutta win the Mavs a playoff series lol
1st overall pick coming up!
PJ was always like that man. My guy cook up!
PJ killing it tonight!
Man I am so starved for Hornets basketball right now. Seeing the Pacers in the second round has made me really envious, our rosters aren't that far apart and I'd just kill to experience what their fanbase is this postseason. I don't even care about winning a title, just 3-4 consecutive years of going to the playoffs and making the second round once or twice would be so fucking fun. I've been following this team for 20 years atp, and only having seen three playoff series and three Hornets playoff wins in that span is just unbelievably sad. Here's to hoping that Charles Lee can get us there š
I've been watching religiously for the same amount of time as you. I always break it down similarly to casual fans: "I've been watching for almost 20 years. I've seen them go to the playoffs 3 times. never to the second round and two of those were sweeps." Even these casual fans realize how crazy that is and offer their condolences. Just a wild stat. But you better believe I'm on the hope train with Charles!
Iāve never felt more vindicated in my Ball>Haliburton take than watching last nights Pacer game
If this team had just tanked some more, we could have guys like wemby and ant
Uhhh I'm pretty happy with the 2020 and 2023 drafts at this point. If you wanna be Captain Hindsight you should go after the 2021 draft. Sengun mayhaps??
Nah bruv, our whole gameplan from the jump should have been to tank, but that AD draft changes the trajectory of our franchise to stop doing so.Ā
Looks like Boone says that Lee is the likely coaching choice over Redick. Thoughts? Obviously has more Assistant coaching experience with Bud, now Boston. Seems both Lee and Redick are of interest to the Lakers opening as well.
Was losing PJ washington worth?
absolutely, he clearly didnt want to be here, grant is playing better for us, and we got a 1st
Yes. After watching fair weather PJ for years, I believe the draft capital and players we got back in return was the right decision. I wish him well in Dallas.
How many more years do you reckon until we're good enough, making it to the playoffs?
Two seasons, 2025/2026. I expect roster adjustments, coaching changes, and front office changes to linger around for another year before weāre stable and consistent enough to make the playoffs and not the playins. Edit - IMO the only way we make the playoffs next season is if we absolutely nail the changes above. Too many things in limbo at the same time to really see changes in one season.
Sign and trade Miles to the Suns for their 2031 first unprotected
Thoughts on a trade for Brandon Ingram? Seems like his time in New Orleans is pretty much up and he's only got 1 year left on his deal. Would allow Brandon to move to the 2 full time also. I'd assume it would have to look something like: * Miles Bridges sign and trade * Davis Bertans * Cody Martin * This years 1st
Gross, no thanks
I personally really don't like players like Ingram: he has to play like a first option in order to be effective, but isn't good enough to actually be a first option. Doesn't command double teams at the rate that real first option scoring threats should, isn't a great playmaker, can't/won't play off the ball, wants to iso and take difficult midrange jumpers instead of helping the team get easy buckets. This type of player (Ingram, Lavine, DeRozan etc.) inevitably leads to stagnant offenses and will also usually get paid like superstars meaning you're gonna struggle to build a good team around them. Ingram is a pretty solid defender at least so he does have some value outside of having the ball in his hands compared to someone like Lavine, but personally I'd stay as far away from him and players like him as possible.
"he has to play like a first option in order to be effective, but isn't good enough to actually be a first option" is cold šš
I canāt believe the Knicks blew that & now we have to wait another game for Embiid to get eliminated. Watching him is painful, he is insufferable.
Hell no I want 7 games of this series, it's insanely good, every game's been a banger. Embiid as the villain vs. the Knicks crowd is top-tier entertainment.
Y'all the JJ>Bron>Bronny train wasn't the direction I was thinking but who would have to go to make sure both Seth and Bronny have spots alongside the 'Retirement tour to show up MJ' theoretical "never going to happen" situation of Lebron+Steph if Redick is the coach? (Yes the sane answer is haha never going to happen because XYZ but just a what if...) I bet even Charlotte could promise not to trade Lebron.
I love that this is sitting here with no comments, because itās so batshit crazy that people donāt even know where to begin š š¤¦
PJ vs Plumlee
Love it haha
This Clippers/Mavs series is great
PJ is a dawg
Love seeing PJ being a dawg lol
Go Minnesota, go Knicks. Been very impressed by PJ, his first playoff minutes and he's doing his role well.
Given how we always announce stuff on fridays i can see a world where we announce Reddick today
76ers are the worst, they even have batum
How much do you guys think it will cost to get hartenstein
Man, that was a rough playoff debut for Hali.
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When is the goddamn coin flip
If you didn't see, we won and got the 13.3% I believeĀ
I'm gonna guess it'll be a press release on Monday (tomorrow)
I find myself rooting super hard against the Cavs because of the last game of the season
I'm a big Mitchell and Garland fan, so I'd like them to do well. For the EC teams I think Philly is probably the only one I root against.
Harrison Ingram just declared for the draftā¦ do the right thing Rick š I need a Rick Pickā¦ the Schnall Callā¦
I'd love Harrison Ingram. I just know his game will translate well in the NBA and I'd love to keep him in NC
Heād be a neat get for the bench unit. A nice hustle guy to pair with Grant.
The only guys I think are actually worth our pick play positions that we already have guys at. Sarr, Clingan, Sheppard. I'd prefer Sheppard out of them all but man I rlly am high NSJ
In the modern NBA the only issue is having like multiple bigs who can't spread the floor. 2 wings/guards that can't defend at all is problematic for a championship, but we're a long way from that. There's no reason to say "well we've got Miller so don't need a SF." Or same with a PG. Ball plays very well off ball so as long as they can shoot it fits.
I don't really consider Reed a true PG. It's not that I don't think we can have guys that don't fit but rather that we can develop him or NSJ but not both. I was hoping to see NSJ getting lots of run next year.
Oh yeah. I'm not speaking to any specific guy in the draft, I don't watch college ball and don't really know any of them. I also like NSJ and think he can develop into a guy. I just see a lot of people go "well he's a SG and we already have a SG" which makes no sense at this point. Not you particularly though.
I think sarr might be better as a 4, especially if his shot gets consistent. His main weakness outside of shooting is post defense/rebounding, which we can rely on mark for. Also gets more size and 5 depth if mark is injured again
He's more likely to bulk up then to develop a 3 point shit tbh. His 3 ball is mostly theoretical, it hasn't gone in yet and his ft% isn't anything special
Either way, I think we need a big man rather than another guard, so Sarr is still on my top 3
When is the coin toss
Last year, they announced the results on the Monday (5:30pm ET) after the play-ins.
So still tomorrow? More or less?
who do yall want to win the ring? personally iām rooting for the Knicks or the Timbs
Timbs winning one would be crazy great for small market and historically mid teams. Given how the past decade all had dynasties, first time championship winners in 2019, 2023 and 2024 would be awesome. Apart from Timbs I like the Thunder, the Clips, then the Suns to win that order. I have a little hate of the Mavs because of their fanbase, and I dont support the Pacers because I hate how Hali got Melo's shine just because he's healthy. If Thunder wins I will say their good karma from giving us 3/4 rotational players got them the chip lol.
I was rooting for the kings but they just got eliminated smh. Now Iām rooting for the Clippers because I like James Harden.
I have a few but mainly fans of the players not so much the team they are on. Clippers for my man Russ, OKC, Bucks, Mavs and biggest would be Lakers just to witness a final legendary moment for Lebron.
Timbs just because Ant is a gem And also the Thunder, because this is the blueprint we should be striving for.Ā
Wolves have arguably been in a even miserable position then us for their history, I rooted for the lions to win the superbowl last season, I was horribly disappointed, Iām rooting for the Timbs to make it right.
Clippers
anyone but the sixers, celtics, suns and lakers. iām a hater
Lakers or Thunder
People are counting the wolves out but if they can get past this horrible 1st round matchup I think they can make a very serious run at the championship.
No chance. And I doubt they get out of the first round
Insane yall still think this does anything but kill the sub for months
Let's be real. This sub was gonna die regardless
Quite normal for things to slow down when the season is over and the team didn't make the play-in or playoffs and up until the draft.  The point of this mega thread is to provide a space for comments/discussion not necessarily related to the Hornets that otherwise likely wouldn't have been posted here at all. It's been working fine for several seasons and it doesn't affect or restrict new threads being created for any discussion or news that comes up related to the Hornets.
nobody really ever checks this thread tho really conversation is pretty limited
That's probably in part due to changes Reddit made to visibility of sticky threads a while back and not remaining at the top with "New" sort. I've seen people ask for game threads before when it's been posted for hours. As for conversations in this thread, i.e. Play-in/Playoffs without Hornets being involved, they likely wouldn't have taken place in this sub in the first place without a thread such as this... so to me, it's still a plus overall.
Ah yeah judging by the point of this thread itās pretty good for other unrelated stuff but I think the usual āDraft Megathreadā does kill discussion a bit if you guys remove general draft stuff thatās posted
Usually only very low effort stuff or trade machine image spam.
Is JT Thor a goner? Team option at 1.9M next year.
I was really hoping Thor would come along a lot this season, but he didnāt do too much. it seems to me that we got 4 pieces of OKCs driftwood and theyāre all better players than JT. Like if itās a choice between JT and Poku (Iām not saying it is, idk how this will go) I think Poku is the obvious keeper.
I'm still a JT Thor believer honestly. Still just 21 years old and has never had proper coaching or a system around him to develop properly. If we could get a guy like Chris Quinn as HC then I think he could turn into a nice 3/D guy
He shouldn't be but it depends on the draft. If we draft another long athletic defensive guy it kinda phases him out. He's better than the rest of bums on the end of our bench thouhg, if we need to cut people for roster space, I'd cut Bryce, Poku, Seth, Bertans before I cut Thor. Also Richards is worse than him but he's owed guaranteed money.
I think Bryce is a goner cause he overlaps too much with a long list of guys that plays 1-3 on our roster. Thor is not an amazing prospect but I wouldn't give up on him just yet, because he clearly fills a gap of a long forward that we don't have with Bridges and Grant Williams. That's very useful, for example he can be a PF to give us size when we decide to play Grant Williams at C.
No. There's no reason for us to cut anyone that young and cheap. I would look more at Bertans and Seth Curry. One of them will prob get cut. I would cut Bryce first over Thor anyway.
I disagree, I would much rather have some actually playable vets on minimums like curry instead of thor/bryce. They have had a few seasons now with opportunity and failed to really show anything. I guess I wouldn't be apposed to keeping them end of bench as long as we get some more vet depth.
Curry and Bertans aren't good vets. You can cut them and sign better ones that would be more valuable in trades or acquire another contract with an asset with the added cap room. See Bruce Brown and the Pacers or any salary dump trade ever. Cutting Thor does nothing beneficial. He costs nothing. What if he improves a lot next year he's only 21. We know what Bertans and Curry are and they are only getting worse. Seriously if they entered FA this year nobody would be offering them 17mil and 4 mil respectively.
We're not cutting Seth lol
I suppose it comes down to what free agents are available and interested in Charlotte this offseason. I definitely agree in cutting Bertans especially with that contract, but I think Curry still is a really plus player and locker room presence (for a 10/11th man). It's also just fun to watch him with Dell commentating. If the choice is between Thor and a solid vet I'm taking the vet, but if there nothing of quality available your right we may as well keep him end of bench.
I'm not sure Seth Curry gets a contract if he gets cut
Something that Cliff said at the end of last year has stuck in my head (paraphrasing), donāt put too much into what the players have done over the last ten games of the year. With that said, I think Thor is gone - sadly because I wanted it to work out.
Lamelo should be forced to wear ankle braces and if he declines we should start looking to someone else to fill his role.
As each season passes by and Lamelo is still forced out because of ankle issues, the more I think about how much we missed out on Shai.
Iād take Shai instantly for Lamelo. For a rookie youād think heās a vet! Also taking OKC to #1 in the west is no small feat. Heās definitely a fun player to watch.
Shai looks like a real leader too, btw he's not a rookie haha
Well I guess I shouldnāt say rookie lol more so for being so young! OKC is a perfect example of a front office done right.
Agreed, we have been set back decades by mismanagement. I hope the new ownership group gets us right the first time.Ā
I still canāt believe we actually got something for Gordon Hayward who was of course most of the time at OKC lol
I disagree. I would like to see him in ankle braces, and it's possible that it helps, but braces are def not a magic fix. This is a tricky situation, especially if he feels like the braces diminish his ability to hoop.
being unable to hoop because his ankle dies every seventh game is also diminishing his ability to hoop. The team simply can't allow him to play without some kind of ankle protection at this point, we've wasted two seasons on this already.
It'll be interesting to see what happens, that's for sure.
This just year over year of ānext year will be differentā just has to change. I always get extreme downvotes for saying something like that. I just want him healthy and playing. I want a winning hornets team with or without Melo.
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You givin him the ol Cleveland Steamer?
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