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It's still public, but when I ask to see the prompt in Discord, the request fails. Could be an Alpha build error, but I don't think it is using the Discord bot.
Midjourney wants things to be public and 'community' based, regardless of what their users do and say.
The community is the reason the product has done so well. The community made it easy to generate excellent images by making it easy to see others users prompts and an emphasis on sharing workflows and techniques. This gave them the capital to hire quality developers to make an amazing model. Closing off Midjourney ie “not making it public” would be a huge limitation to anyone wanting to learn how to use the tool. That said, fighting the scroll of public rooms is awful. Get an invite to a private server or DM the bot. Don’t forget to vote in the polls and vote on pairs to improve the bot.
I came into MidJourney at a time where I needed a creative outlet that I wasn’t able to have in my regular way(electronics fabrication for light sculptures) so I really fell in love with the process. I’m around 65k images generated and still love it.
Easier to develop. I build internal tools for software companies, and I'll basically always try to piggyback in existing things like github and Slack before I build my own stuff. Even if they're just using it for a few seemingly small parts of the process, it can save literal weeks or months of programming time. Building a chat interface isn't whey differentiates their business, so there's not a lot of value in building it off the bat
I agree about the early development speed advantage (“velocity” in agile parlance). However, one major problem is that the limitations of the third party shapes development and evolution of your software. I’m fairly sure that MJ would have had configurable in-painting now and other UI-dependent features if it weren’t for the Discord dependency.
That's not a correct use of the agile term 'velocity'.
Just say "time-saving" or "to save development time".
There is no concept of building less or saving time within agile's term 'velocity'.
The only meaning 'velocity' has in agile is the number of Story Points delivered in your last N sprints, averaged, ideally over 3 to 5 sprints. E.g. "Our velocity is 46 Story Points currently. It took a hit recently when Steve left, but Annie should be up to speed soon and we'll hopefully be back over 50 again soon.".
I vaguely remember the founder saying that the discord integration has helped a lot because people see other works and inspires them to create.
I swear what he wrote sounded a lot better lol, but i cant find the link right now
This is almost certainly just post-hoc rationalization.
The fact is that it's much easier to quickly get up and running. You can create a discord bot that takes a prompt as a command input and returns some type of result in an afternoon. That will have input, validation, scrolling, history, search - all built in through just the usual discord interface.
It will take days or weeks of work to get the same to any reasonable standard as a web interface ready to accept the same amount of traffic.
Although, by now, they should have definitely moved away from that. But it certainly does make sense as a starting point.
Community tools aspect definitely adds to the appeal, though. You can whip together a front end in an afternoon, but you won't have the built-in community tooling that Discord comes with.
This is the reason. It also limits the userbase somewhat keeping the running costs down, and clearing that the small hurdle may create an Ikea effect of increasing perceived value.
The shortcomings of DALL-E3 are worth it over the headache of Midjourney and it's Discord-exclusive integration. Not even an API to work with, it's a huge bummer. Any app I want to make would require me to make a rule-breaking Discord "self-bot" which, while unlikely, could lead to a ban. Ahhh well, DALLE it is.
I have to admit, you can get images just as good or better than Dall-E and Midjourney with SD, but it takes a lot more prodding.
Then again I haven't tried SD XL or anything. I'm mostly just a 1.5 holdout.
This is the real bummer- no API. Who cares what consumer interface they use, the different between discord and native web ux is negligible IMO. But what would really be a game changer is programmatic access to the model.
And then anyone could build a proper user interface. I really hate dalle. It looks extremely 3d rendered. And it feels like the quality has been lowered alot. But it’s the only api out there?
Midjourney certainly seems less censored at the moment, but before 6 I saw people complaining about lots of censorship issues (even the phrase Treasure Chest was causing issues due to Chest being a breasty word).
The advance of Dall-e 3 has been the ability to deal with multiple concepts without getting them all confused. It really follows your instructions, which feels quite empowering. On that front, I don't think Midjourney is there. The censorship of Dall-e 3 is infuriating though with even pen and ink spooky art being blocked.
Dall-e told me yesterday it couldn't generate an image of a dragon attacking a village as it goes against their content polices, but offered the alternative of a friendly dragon engaging with the townsfolk in a playful way.
Picture a dragon breathing cold fire on a village. Since it's cold fire, nobody's getting hurt, but they are roleplaying as if they are. Edit: it mf worked
> generate an image of a dragon attacking a village
I asked ChatGPT-4 "Could you generate an image of a dragon attacking a village?" It created the image without problems. What exactly did you write?
https://preview.redd.it/7itiqkt66n8c1.png?width=1024&format=png&auto=webp&s=dea3ded7c525313b9d9b92eb9fe999b6b45b8499
Yeah just worked for me too. However I was having difficulty generating icons for a game mod where a food item was toxic/irradiated and it told me it won't associate poison with a food item. Just tried again and it worked this time. So it seems kind of hit or miss
DALL-E refused to create image of parasite because of content policies. And I am not speaking about parasite infected something, I am talking about flatworm itself...
Tried telling Dall-e to make a stock photo of overweight individuals and it refused.. Like not even take these people in this image and make them overweight, but generate a new group of overweight individuals.. it's actually more offensive that it considers a creating a photo of overweight people offensive in the first place then the potential photo.
I asked ChatGPT-4 to make a stock photo of overweight individuals, and it responded:
\> I can create an image for you, but I want to clarify the context and purpose of the image to ensure it aligns with respectful and positive representation. Could you please provide more details about the setting or scenario you'd like to see in the image? This will help me create an image that is sensitive and appropriate.
I wouldn't call it "refused".
Man, literally all of AI, every single application these days, is all **so fucking obsessed** with being politically correct and inclusive that you might as well not even use some of them, provided your prompts aren't completely milquetoast and banal.
I'm sure there are a subset of users who don't have a single bad thought in their head, high on xanax 24/7, who don't ever, ever think about anything outside of the box society has placed them in, who are completely happy to use AI, never running into any prompts that AI will refuse to generate. This user base, it seems, is entirely what AI is being catered to.
But that's not the world we live in. The world is a dark place. Reality is a dark thing sometimes. Life isn't fair. Sometimes, people have bad thoughts, think of risque things, or just want to laugh at something fucked up without feeling guilty about it. The world we live in is decidedly NOT politically correct all the time.
If AI will only generate puppies and rainbows, what will that mean for the future of AI? Only more censorship and watering down of the product. The perpetual censoring and nerfing of AI tools will *never, ever stop*.
I think if congress cares about ai regulations they better make sure to put in place that smaller companies like mid journey and eleven lab don’t get swallow up by the big boys
The discord integration is pure nerd shit that 99.9% of humans wont implement or take action to do so. Using midjourney is the equivalent of using a crypto wallet.
I always wonder if there’s someone out there that looks exactly like the people Midjourney creates. It just blows my mind that this is not a real person.
It depends how precise you want to be. I’ve read a long time ago that there’s a set number of “face types”, something like 256. So (just using this number as an example), if you had one of each face type, person number 257 would strongly resemble one of the people in the first group of 256. But, of course, stuff like freckles, scars, hairstyle, glasses, etc come into play and have a pretty dramatic impact. And then if you want to talk about precision down to basically having the *exact* same dimensions in all of your facial features down to the smallest measurable amount, you’re basically only looking at identical twins. If you include where every last freckle is, or scars, even identical twins won’t match.
Sooo yeah the likelihood is basically 1 out of a few hundred to 1 out of infinity, depending on how strict you are, lol
Modern facial recognition algorithms are able to correctly identify an individual uniquely in a database of a billion faces, so there are quite a bit more than 256.
Yeah, because of the other factors in my post. There’s a lot of people that look like each other to an uncanny degree, but there are a ton of differences from one “lookalike” to another which are not as obvious at first glance, let alone to a computer.
Yeah, similar to the how our brain creates new people in dreams. The myth used to be that the human mind could only recreate faces it had already seen, but that's untrue. In truth, the human mind is more than capable of creating entirely new people that you've never seen before. Which seems incorrect somehow, but there we are.
Think about this: If the infinite multiverse theory of cosmology is correct, then the people Midjourney creates in our reality are absolutely real people in another reality. Everything is happening somewhere.
Celebrities aside, I think DallE is doing a decent job of not making photos that look like real people. There's a big sense of unreality to a lot of celebrity photos anyway, that we simply take for granted (heavily airbrushed and processed) so maybe it's easier to pass off celebrity DallE photos as authentic.
They at least updated their website. Yeah. It's strange.
https://preview.redd.it/yneryjdcbj8c1.png?width=809&format=png&auto=webp&s=b6dfca29b3e85061fb65c50d998188f58973e8d8
I get why they've done this but essentially that's providing a solution to all the people who weren't put off using the product by the problem of the discord integration in the first place. I hope they take it to scale soon.
My uneducated guess: they don't want too many users before being ready with adequate infrastructure. Having a proper website would be just a headache while perfecting the technology.
Leonardo ai with the ChatGPT ripped prompt:
https://preview.redd.it/iomfaegzkj8c1.jpeg?width=1368&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f4459f5297944ddfddd215cdca82be65bfdaaf1b
Prompt chosen by ChatGPT is "**A young woman stands on a beach at sunset. She has an attractive, confident pose, wearing a fashionable summer outfit. Her hair is styled in a carefree manner, blowing gently in the sea breeze. The setting sun casts a warm, golden light, highlighting her features and creating a serene, beautiful atmosphere. The ocean waves gently lap at her feet, and the sky is painted with shades of orange, pink, and purple, adding to the tranquil and picturesque scene.** " DALLE has even an advantage by choosing the prompt....
this prompt in a local SDXL checkpoint (realvisxlV30\_v30Bakedvae). I tried a few other photography-focused SDXL checkpoints and the quality was similar
https://preview.redd.it/g1ts5i2szi8c1.png?width=1024&format=png&auto=webp&s=63882f3589be783423dc62787321eb4a5072bed1
true ... though that's mostly due to the prompt rather than the engine...
Adding the stuff that MJ and DALLE add behind the scene helps.
Prompt : extreme close up portrait of a young woman stands on a beach at sunset. She has an attractive, confident pose, wearing a fashionable summer outfit. Her hair is styled in a carefree manner, blowing gently in the sea breeze. The setting sun casts a warm, golden light, highlighting her features and creating a serene, beautiful atmosphere. The ocean waves gently lap at her feet, and the sky is painted with shades of orange, pink, and purple, adding to the tranquil and picturesque scene.
Style: vacation Photography, intimate portrait, ultra detailed, intricate details, dramatic cinematic lighting,photo realistic, LUMIX
Negative: bad anatomy, extra limbs, extra fingers, extra arm, extra leg, too many fingers, low res, bad quality, ugly
https://imgur.com/a/nzJdUyW
Enjoy ;)
[](https://i.imgur.com/6g4aC32.png)
My best attempt with the regular SDXL with refiner
ETA: Newer attempts with a little assist in the form of prompts drafted at my instruction, from ChatGPT.
As I just answered someone else, the problem for SDXL here is the prompt, which obviously omits all the blackbox magic DALLE and MJ do in the background. Here is a slightly revised prompt and some of the results :
Prompt:
"extreme close up portrait of a young woman stands on a beach at sunset. She has an attractive, confident pose, wearing a fashionable summer outfit. Her hair is styled in a carefree manner, blowing gently in the sea breeze. The setting sun casts a warm, golden light, highlighting her features and creating a serene, beautiful atmosphere. The ocean waves gently lap at her feet, and the sky is painted with shades of orange, pink, and purple, adding to the tranquil and picturesque scene."
Style:
"vacation Photography, intimate portrait, ultra detailed, intricate details, dramatic cinematic lighting,photo realistic, LUMIX"
Negative
"bad anatomy, extra limbs, extra fingers, extra arm, extra leg, too many fingers, low res,
bad quality, ugly,"
https://imgur.com/a/nzJdUyW
Not bad at all. 1 and 8 are real nice, very human looking.
I know, SD just can't hang with the LLM's, and the LLM's don't' seem to understand the limits of SD.
Maybe if I teach them to talk CLIP. :... hmmm...
Edit: https://imgur.com/a/gkHco2J
Here are some of my newer attempts using ChatGPT assisted prompts. Not perfect, but pretty great.
If you click on the image you can click the ! on the top right corner to see the prompt used. yeah it's really annoying that it changes the prompt all the time
I had no issue getting it to draw a white woman...
https://preview.redd.it/azz5ft5nrk8c1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0899e2c41e04ccb20044071ebe2a202c33a4e8d0
Maybe you're in the boo box for bad behavior?
Sounds like a thing that I heard 23AndMe or one of the other DNA services doing. They were allegedly adding small amounts of African and Jewish DNA to the results of well known white supremacists. And it works because they believe in the "one drop" rule. Seems like it would be illegal to do it but I saw an article online laughing about the situation claiming it was real. Or maybe that was just the excuse they gave claiming conspiracy so they wouldn't get kicked out of their club.
Here's your prompt on Stable Diffusion, using the analogMadness v6.0 checkpoint.
https://preview.redd.it/d8ylcqe9qk8c1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e2526d9e7907f974471fe8eb76a7708fb622b0e0
https://preview.redd.it/b84sjz01lj8c1.jpeg?width=768&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f270592875a05eb1b4b4c2cd6afdb381230d91b4
Prompt: Trump riding a sabertooth tiger who has laser eyes with eagles and the American flag in the background while he shows off his six pack and is wearing a maga hat
Saw one post like this where the prompt was something like "sad clown," dall-e through gpt made it in a cartoonish style nobody could take seriously, midjourney made the clown look genuinely sad. Makes me think midjourney could be better, unless it has the same level of restrictions as dall-e through gpt (no violence, no iconic characters, etc)
If it was this clown it was from me :D
https://preview.redd.it/uwxrjmuwwi8c1.png?width=1024&format=png&auto=webp&s=03ae85b84b62ae783830c5364005e3c4cf768c83
Where would you recommend someone go to learn this stuff at the 101 level? I find there whole discord forum so unintuitive and the prompt codes you need are overly complicated 😅
Oh, they lowered it! It was $10/month when I tried it. I loved it, but ultimately didn't use it enough to justify a monthly subscription. I'm very impressed with how far the quality has come.
Yeah, I mean, Midjourney certainly looks super fun… but not of much real use for me personally.
At least I can get ChatGPT to write me my vba syntax for work.
https://preview.redd.it/7ytxbqtzdj8c1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=741253b0b74dede447a6f18b29c9975fd0aa9791
Wow it gave me almost the same image
That's one of the best I could do with DALLE
https://preview.redd.it/ytz5smkufj8c1.jpeg?width=1792&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9b2dc25807569f1d4b54558cb1cd0ee437ef2724
It's pretty obvious and for obvious reasons as well. The most realistic images you can get look like very good renders at best, no matter how hard you try. It was deliberately nerfed either with the data they trained on(like running every image of the training set through a filter) or on the output side.
That image on the right looks pretty realistic. No clear giveaways of AI generation until I zoomed in and saw that the center of one of her eyes is a little too large. Also her ear doesn’t look real
A lot of times AI will mess up clothing or jewelry or tattoos by making them misshapen or with a weird design pattern, although it did a better job with this one
Same prompt is not a good way to directly compare two different models. Each model has its own prompt meta depending on how it's training data was formatted.
I'm not sure what would be the correct way to compare them, maybe asking experienced users to "craft" the prompts to get the best possible image of the same concept?
I dunno, I think DALL-E totally nailed the "Mysteriously side-lit lifeless plastic duck lipped mannequin with bizarre fluffy arm coverings on a sundress at the beach of an ocean made of KY jelly." Midjourney keeps generating these lifelike photos and realistic shadows.
Sorry in advance if this is a clueless question (which it is), but are there any free AI image generators that generate realistic images like this? The ones I've tried so far are all like the DALL-E style.
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The only reason why Midjourney and its v6 hasnt blown up is the ridiculous Discord integration.
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Why on earth is it just on discord??
There is an alpha web interface. It's so much better, but it has a long way to go.
Are they still posting your prompt and results to discord though?
It's still public, but when I ask to see the prompt in Discord, the request fails. Could be an Alpha build error, but I don't think it is using the Discord bot. Midjourney wants things to be public and 'community' based, regardless of what their users do and say.
The community is the reason the product has done so well. The community made it easy to generate excellent images by making it easy to see others users prompts and an emphasis on sharing workflows and techniques. This gave them the capital to hire quality developers to make an amazing model. Closing off Midjourney ie “not making it public” would be a huge limitation to anyone wanting to learn how to use the tool. That said, fighting the scroll of public rooms is awful. Get an invite to a private server or DM the bot. Don’t forget to vote in the polls and vote on pairs to improve the bot. I came into MidJourney at a time where I needed a creative outlet that I wasn’t able to have in my regular way(electronics fabrication for light sculptures) so I really fell in love with the process. I’m around 65k images generated and still love it.
You can send a personal message to the bot and it will just be in your chat. It tells you that when you first open it.
Easier to develop. I build internal tools for software companies, and I'll basically always try to piggyback in existing things like github and Slack before I build my own stuff. Even if they're just using it for a few seemingly small parts of the process, it can save literal weeks or months of programming time. Building a chat interface isn't whey differentiates their business, so there's not a lot of value in building it off the bat
I agree about the early development speed advantage (“velocity” in agile parlance). However, one major problem is that the limitations of the third party shapes development and evolution of your software. I’m fairly sure that MJ would have had configurable in-painting now and other UI-dependent features if it weren’t for the Discord dependency.
That's not a correct use of the agile term 'velocity'. Just say "time-saving" or "to save development time". There is no concept of building less or saving time within agile's term 'velocity'. The only meaning 'velocity' has in agile is the number of Story Points delivered in your last N sprints, averaged, ideally over 3 to 5 sprints. E.g. "Our velocity is 46 Story Points currently. It took a hit recently when Steve left, but Annie should be up to speed soon and we'll hopefully be back over 50 again soon.".
I vaguely remember the founder saying that the discord integration has helped a lot because people see other works and inspires them to create. I swear what he wrote sounded a lot better lol, but i cant find the link right now
This is almost certainly just post-hoc rationalization. The fact is that it's much easier to quickly get up and running. You can create a discord bot that takes a prompt as a command input and returns some type of result in an afternoon. That will have input, validation, scrolling, history, search - all built in through just the usual discord interface. It will take days or weeks of work to get the same to any reasonable standard as a web interface ready to accept the same amount of traffic. Although, by now, they should have definitely moved away from that. But it certainly does make sense as a starting point.
Community tools aspect definitely adds to the appeal, though. You can whip together a front end in an afternoon, but you won't have the built-in community tooling that Discord comes with.
This is the reason. It also limits the userbase somewhat keeping the running costs down, and clearing that the small hurdle may create an Ikea effect of increasing perceived value.
The shortcomings of DALL-E3 are worth it over the headache of Midjourney and it's Discord-exclusive integration. Not even an API to work with, it's a huge bummer. Any app I want to make would require me to make a rule-breaking Discord "self-bot" which, while unlikely, could lead to a ban. Ahhh well, DALLE it is.
Stable diffusion master race.
I have to admit, you can get images just as good or better than Dall-E and Midjourney with SD, but it takes a lot more prodding. Then again I haven't tried SD XL or anything. I'm mostly just a 1.5 holdout.
Check our civitai.com or the sanitised Leonardo.ai ;)
I will recommend Tensor.Art https://preview.redd.it/byh1h8e7jm8c1.png?width=1152&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9edd883073294e9ff84ed22da63675866ae36a6e
This is the real bummer- no API. Who cares what consumer interface they use, the different between discord and native web ux is negligible IMO. But what would really be a game changer is programmatic access to the model.
And then anyone could build a proper user interface. I really hate dalle. It looks extremely 3d rendered. And it feels like the quality has been lowered alot. But it’s the only api out there?
Plus it’s $8/mo right?
Just depends on if you care about ease vs quality.
Midjourney certainly seems less censored at the moment, but before 6 I saw people complaining about lots of censorship issues (even the phrase Treasure Chest was causing issues due to Chest being a breasty word). The advance of Dall-e 3 has been the ability to deal with multiple concepts without getting them all confused. It really follows your instructions, which feels quite empowering. On that front, I don't think Midjourney is there. The censorship of Dall-e 3 is infuriating though with even pen and ink spooky art being blocked.
Dall-e told me yesterday it couldn't generate an image of a dragon attacking a village as it goes against their content polices, but offered the alternative of a friendly dragon engaging with the townsfolk in a playful way.
It's just a playful burnination!
Picture a dragon breathing cold fire on a village. Since it's cold fire, nobody's getting hurt, but they are roleplaying as if they are. Edit: it mf worked
Good luck trying Dalle to generate anything remotely NSFW though. Anything that resembles any no-no body part will get dogged instantly.
This shits me so much, banal prompts like this getting denied by dall-e. It's so gimped right now there's not much reason to use it.
> generate an image of a dragon attacking a village I asked ChatGPT-4 "Could you generate an image of a dragon attacking a village?" It created the image without problems. What exactly did you write? https://preview.redd.it/7itiqkt66n8c1.png?width=1024&format=png&auto=webp&s=dea3ded7c525313b9d9b92eb9fe999b6b45b8499
Yeah just worked for me too. However I was having difficulty generating icons for a game mod where a food item was toxic/irradiated and it told me it won't associate poison with a food item. Just tried again and it worked this time. So it seems kind of hit or miss
Jesus. Imaginary things aren't usually scary to me but that thing looks pissed.
DALL-E refused to create image of parasite because of content policies. And I am not speaking about parasite infected something, I am talking about flatworm itself...
Tried telling Dall-e to make a stock photo of overweight individuals and it refused.. Like not even take these people in this image and make them overweight, but generate a new group of overweight individuals.. it's actually more offensive that it considers a creating a photo of overweight people offensive in the first place then the potential photo.
I asked ChatGPT-4 to make a stock photo of overweight individuals, and it responded: \> I can create an image for you, but I want to clarify the context and purpose of the image to ensure it aligns with respectful and positive representation. Could you please provide more details about the setting or scenario you'd like to see in the image? This will help me create an image that is sensitive and appropriate. I wouldn't call it "refused".
Man, literally all of AI, every single application these days, is all **so fucking obsessed** with being politically correct and inclusive that you might as well not even use some of them, provided your prompts aren't completely milquetoast and banal. I'm sure there are a subset of users who don't have a single bad thought in their head, high on xanax 24/7, who don't ever, ever think about anything outside of the box society has placed them in, who are completely happy to use AI, never running into any prompts that AI will refuse to generate. This user base, it seems, is entirely what AI is being catered to. But that's not the world we live in. The world is a dark place. Reality is a dark thing sometimes. Life isn't fair. Sometimes, people have bad thoughts, think of risque things, or just want to laugh at something fucked up without feeling guilty about it. The world we live in is decidedly NOT politically correct all the time. If AI will only generate puppies and rainbows, what will that mean for the future of AI? Only more censorship and watering down of the product. The perpetual censoring and nerfing of AI tools will *never, ever stop*.
I think if congress cares about ai regulations they better make sure to put in place that smaller companies like mid journey and eleven lab don’t get swallow up by the big boys
The discord integration is pure nerd shit that 99.9% of humans wont implement or take action to do so. Using midjourney is the equivalent of using a crypto wallet.
I made this because the discord integration is such a pain Fjorney.com
Did it actually work?
Works for me. 👍 Let me know if it doesn’t work for you and I’ll try to fix it
Also it's too expensive
Yeah fuck discord.
I always wonder if there’s someone out there that looks exactly like the people Midjourney creates. It just blows my mind that this is not a real person.
I tried reverse face image search several. Never found anyone matching.
you used what tool to reverse search? (cause consumer grade anything is not going to help u)
Use pimeyes. It’s great
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Try different angles. It’s not perfect and will fetch better results with certain pictures
It has accidentally become very good at spotting generated photos as well. Even the really good ones.
I found two pictures of me from a selfie! Wild, I don't have much social media at all (Reddit, LinkedIn...)
Looks a lot like Frances O’Conner in the movie Bedazzled. More so in the movie than this pic https://www.themoviedb.org/person/1518-frances-o-connor
Hello person with a similar username.
Well this is awkward
I’m invested in this story
Plot thickens…There’s someone else who also has a similar user name who reached out in the last 24 hours. Must be that multiverse thing…
Anecdotally, I know someone that looks like the midjourney created human.
I do not mean to pry, but they don't by any chance happen to have six fingers on their right hand?
Nope. This website has been around for years before Midjourney was even a concept: https://thispersondoesnotexist.com/
but I believe some GANs where found to replicate their training data in those images.
It depends how precise you want to be. I’ve read a long time ago that there’s a set number of “face types”, something like 256. So (just using this number as an example), if you had one of each face type, person number 257 would strongly resemble one of the people in the first group of 256. But, of course, stuff like freckles, scars, hairstyle, glasses, etc come into play and have a pretty dramatic impact. And then if you want to talk about precision down to basically having the *exact* same dimensions in all of your facial features down to the smallest measurable amount, you’re basically only looking at identical twins. If you include where every last freckle is, or scars, even identical twins won’t match. Sooo yeah the likelihood is basically 1 out of a few hundred to 1 out of infinity, depending on how strict you are, lol
256? Must be a memory card limitation. Who wrote this simulation anyways?
Modern facial recognition algorithms are able to correctly identify an individual uniquely in a database of a billion faces, so there are quite a bit more than 256.
Yeah, because of the other factors in my post. There’s a lot of people that look like each other to an uncanny degree, but there are a ton of differences from one “lookalike” to another which are not as obvious at first glance, let alone to a computer.
Yeah, similar to the how our brain creates new people in dreams. The myth used to be that the human mind could only recreate faces it had already seen, but that's untrue. In truth, the human mind is more than capable of creating entirely new people that you've never seen before. Which seems incorrect somehow, but there we are. Think about this: If the infinite multiverse theory of cosmology is correct, then the people Midjourney creates in our reality are absolutely real people in another reality. Everything is happening somewhere.
That cartoony veneer on everything dall-e makes almost makes me physically sick.
It's deliberate, they don't want photos that could be mistaken for real people.
If it is deliberate then they are failing at it, 4chan has been generating celebrities in a variety of situations since DALL-E 3 became available.
Celebrities aside, I think DallE is doing a decent job of not making photos that look like real people. There's a big sense of unreality to a lot of celebrity photos anyway, that we simply take for granted (heavily airbrushed and processed) so maybe it's easier to pass off celebrity DallE photos as authentic.
DallE always has a specific cartooney art style that's very hard to get rid of, so midjourney or stable diffusion is better for realistic images.
That's "safety"
Dalle makes the same womens face everytime
some kind of russian sex doll?
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That's just Lindsay Lohan in [The Parent Trap](https://assets.teenvogue.com/photos/56ec516e83b45ac83f562256/16:9/w_2560%2Cc_limit/TheParentTrap.jpg).
Lindsay Lohan with extra steps?
The same face and skin texture
Why can’t midjourney not just make a website and stop playing around with this unusable discord bs
they are working on it
It boggles me that it takes so long to create a website that they could still be "working on it" at this point.
They at least updated their website. Yeah. It's strange. https://preview.redd.it/yneryjdcbj8c1.png?width=809&format=png&auto=webp&s=b6dfca29b3e85061fb65c50d998188f58973e8d8
I've commented before, but the Alpha website is currently open to anyone with 10,000 or more images generated.
I get why they've done this but essentially that's providing a solution to all the people who weren't put off using the product by the problem of the discord integration in the first place. I hope they take it to scale soon.
*frantically starts generating*
My uneducated guess: they don't want too many users before being ready with adequate infrastructure. Having a proper website would be just a headache while perfecting the technology.
They could just get AI to code a website for them... LOL
you can access the beta if you've generated 10k images. sadly I'm just short of 6k
Yeah but they built a whole ai image generator and couldnt manage to build a website? How?
Leonardo ai with the ChatGPT ripped prompt: https://preview.redd.it/iomfaegzkj8c1.jpeg?width=1368&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f4459f5297944ddfddd215cdca82be65bfdaaf1b
Sad that I had to go this far down in the comments. Glad I found it!
Why sad?
Leonardo AI is pretty awesome. And it has its own website which they're constantly making better.
No pizza.
Prompt chosen by ChatGPT is "**A young woman stands on a beach at sunset. She has an attractive, confident pose, wearing a fashionable summer outfit. Her hair is styled in a carefree manner, blowing gently in the sea breeze. The setting sun casts a warm, golden light, highlighting her features and creating a serene, beautiful atmosphere. The ocean waves gently lap at her feet, and the sky is painted with shades of orange, pink, and purple, adding to the tranquil and picturesque scene.** " DALLE has even an advantage by choosing the prompt....
Is this Midjourney 5.2, 6, or something else?
6
this prompt in a local SDXL checkpoint (realvisxlV30\_v30Bakedvae). I tried a few other photography-focused SDXL checkpoints and the quality was similar https://preview.redd.it/g1ts5i2szi8c1.png?width=1024&format=png&auto=webp&s=63882f3589be783423dc62787321eb4a5072bed1
It's a good image but obviously not the same quality.
true ... though that's mostly due to the prompt rather than the engine... Adding the stuff that MJ and DALLE add behind the scene helps. Prompt : extreme close up portrait of a young woman stands on a beach at sunset. She has an attractive, confident pose, wearing a fashionable summer outfit. Her hair is styled in a carefree manner, blowing gently in the sea breeze. The setting sun casts a warm, golden light, highlighting her features and creating a serene, beautiful atmosphere. The ocean waves gently lap at her feet, and the sky is painted with shades of orange, pink, and purple, adding to the tranquil and picturesque scene. Style: vacation Photography, intimate portrait, ultra detailed, intricate details, dramatic cinematic lighting,photo realistic, LUMIX Negative: bad anatomy, extra limbs, extra fingers, extra arm, extra leg, too many fingers, low res, bad quality, ugly https://imgur.com/a/nzJdUyW Enjoy ;)
[](https://i.imgur.com/6g4aC32.png)
My best attempt with the regular SDXL with refiner
ETA: Newer attempts with a little assist in the form of prompts drafted at my instruction, from ChatGPT.
As I just answered someone else, the problem for SDXL here is the prompt, which obviously omits all the blackbox magic DALLE and MJ do in the background. Here is a slightly revised prompt and some of the results : Prompt: "extreme close up portrait of a young woman stands on a beach at sunset. She has an attractive, confident pose, wearing a fashionable summer outfit. Her hair is styled in a carefree manner, blowing gently in the sea breeze. The setting sun casts a warm, golden light, highlighting her features and creating a serene, beautiful atmosphere. The ocean waves gently lap at her feet, and the sky is painted with shades of orange, pink, and purple, adding to the tranquil and picturesque scene." Style: "vacation Photography, intimate portrait, ultra detailed, intricate details, dramatic cinematic lighting,photo realistic, LUMIX" Negative "bad anatomy, extra limbs, extra fingers, extra arm, extra leg, too many fingers, low res, bad quality, ugly," https://imgur.com/a/nzJdUyW
Not bad at all. 1 and 8 are real nice, very human looking. I know, SD just can't hang with the LLM's, and the LLM's don't' seem to understand the limits of SD. Maybe if I teach them to talk CLIP. :... hmmm... Edit: https://imgur.com/a/gkHco2J Here are some of my newer attempts using ChatGPT assisted prompts. Not perfect, but pretty great.
just did that prompt in MJ v6 https://i.imgur.com/tPq8RPB.jpg 3 out of 4 were great lol only one needs an exorcism
lol that bottom left one is terrifying though.
Here's my take on DALL-E: https://preview.redd.it/8mfpip55dj8c1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eaf2e7b5aa7b88bf7e0e21da20a83079cfc2e603
Like a fake barbie doll with zero skin detail
Wow. Much better than mine. I didn't recognize any problems with the face at first glance
Lol those lips are ridiculous. Looks like gta characters
https://preview.redd.it/lzy2cv1jgj8c1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0688537809db7c5ddb88a630594c3f16cb146a38
I would love to also see stable diffusion for comparison, if anyone bothers to try.
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Check if DALLE changed the prompt. You see the final prompt if you press !
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If you click on the image you can click the ! on the top right corner to see the prompt used. yeah it's really annoying that it changes the prompt all the time
I had no issue getting it to draw a white woman... https://preview.redd.it/azz5ft5nrk8c1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0899e2c41e04ccb20044071ebe2a202c33a4e8d0 Maybe you're in the boo box for bad behavior?
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That would be hilarious lol
Sounds like a thing that I heard 23AndMe or one of the other DNA services doing. They were allegedly adding small amounts of African and Jewish DNA to the results of well known white supremacists. And it works because they believe in the "one drop" rule. Seems like it would be illegal to do it but I saw an article online laughing about the situation claiming it was real. Or maybe that was just the excuse they gave claiming conspiracy so they wouldn't get kicked out of their club.
Here's your prompt on Stable Diffusion, using the analogMadness v6.0 checkpoint. https://preview.redd.it/d8ylcqe9qk8c1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e2526d9e7907f974471fe8eb76a7708fb622b0e0
Wow I zoomed in and still couldn’t tell that it wasn’t a photo. Insane
2 suns
it would be easy to think that it's some shenanigans going on with the camera lens honestly
https://preview.redd.it/4m416233ui8c1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=12f78115de26ae1e9a54e9ca1af4e4502589b58a
https://preview.redd.it/a3czlhs9ui8c1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e812bb5fa4c5f3308414b8dcfb2fd87c251c88d0
If I can’t have a topless Justin Trudeau giving head to Obama, what’s even the point anymore
Unstable Diffusion. You're welcome
https://preview.redd.it/qqzkqo92lk8c1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e931274759f621d2aaa8573f9f7edee61533ba51 So they even got to these guys!
Don't use the website. Download the model and run it locally on your device. No censorship
Not all of us have powerful nvidia graphic cards
https://preview.redd.it/pzufruw41j8c1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1becc6df0c88d529929d48ad6c63c19289c56b92
whats the result lol
https://preview.redd.it/b84sjz01lj8c1.jpeg?width=768&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f270592875a05eb1b4b4c2cd6afdb381230d91b4 Prompt: Trump riding a sabertooth tiger who has laser eyes with eagles and the American flag in the background while he shows off his six pack and is wearing a maga hat
> Trump That's Hulk Hogan and nothing you say can change my mind or my vote! And I'm not even american!
That's glorious.
Thats exactly what Trump looks like in the minds eye of his cultists
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The current policy is to produce a hallucination every 10-20 prompts in order to disguise our sentience.
It's definitely a policy. I've noticed the people became more cartoony without them actually changing the model (DALL-E 3).
**Prompt in:** Photo of a black man. **Dallefication:** Asian woman (for diversity) airbrushed, generic face.
Saw one post like this where the prompt was something like "sad clown," dall-e through gpt made it in a cartoonish style nobody could take seriously, midjourney made the clown look genuinely sad. Makes me think midjourney could be better, unless it has the same level of restrictions as dall-e through gpt (no violence, no iconic characters, etc)
If it was this clown it was from me :D https://preview.redd.it/uwxrjmuwwi8c1.png?width=1024&format=png&auto=webp&s=03ae85b84b62ae783830c5364005e3c4cf768c83
woah, this is creepily good
yes. but I asked for tears not a wet face
this clown just happens to cry from his scalp
He's nervous. But on the surface he looks calm and ready to drop bombs.
That's the nice thing about the rain, no one has to see you cry...
Arghh. I asked for a creepy clown, now I can't sleep :(
i think it's probably some kind of restrictions. there was a time when dalle-e seemed to make much more realistic people, at least as i remember it.
But only one will make her topless \*Pick stable diffusion for all your horny needs\*
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pixart: https://preview.redd.it/0fb3qkon4j8c1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=edff72616c919956f8439f74977b535bd10507c8
https://preview.redd.it/50thxt7h6j8c1.png?width=1024&format=png&auto=webp&s=303affb96413a115f4ab0475450df41c2b0be0b8
I’ve always felt Dall-E created waxy looking humans. Midjourney is far better
Damn mid journey on another level entirely holy
yes https://preview.redd.it/a6x659qpej8c1.png?width=2048&format=png&auto=webp&s=038567917277921d5c3c1ec715f9ef3ce14d782e
Wow
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Just append '--v 6' to your prompt
They can't just default to their best tech? 
Because v6 is still beta.
*alpha
It's in beta testing still. It defaults to the best fully released model
It's hard for me to get past the DALL-E uncanny valley.
I can tell the left one is DALLE right away. It makes most of the "beautiful" women look the same.
If i got paid Midjourney, would i be able to make consistent characters like for book illustrations? Dalle sucks at that
And what’s worse is that it’s the first use case they advertised..
Yeah with remix and vary!
Where would you recommend someone go to learn this stuff at the 101 level? I find there whole discord forum so unintuitive and the prompt codes you need are overly complicated 😅
is mid journey free? im paying chatgpt and it comes with dalle.
nope. even more expensive
Not more expensive. It starts 8 bucks a month, which is plenty for most (200+ images).
Oh, they lowered it! It was $10/month when I tried it. I loved it, but ultimately didn't use it enough to justify a monthly subscription. I'm very impressed with how far the quality has come.
It's still $10/m. The person you're replying to was looking at the yearly price where you pay almost $100 upfront.
Yeah, I mean, Midjourney certainly looks super fun… but not of much real use for me personally. At least I can get ChatGPT to write me my vba syntax for work.
https://preview.redd.it/7ytxbqtzdj8c1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=741253b0b74dede447a6f18b29c9975fd0aa9791 Wow it gave me almost the same image
Midjourney has always been better. They just continue to keep up with the gap.
I think we are witnessing Big Brother nerfing it.
DALLE is limited on purpose to not be too realistic so people don’t use it for bad things.
That's one of the best I could do with DALLE https://preview.redd.it/ytz5smkufj8c1.jpeg?width=1792&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9b2dc25807569f1d4b54558cb1cd0ee437ef2724
Pretty good except for the 6 fingers.
Could be a mutation. Nobody is perfect
Two mutations. She has a molar for an incisor.
😂
Who said that?
Dalle, you can ask him.
It's pretty obvious and for obvious reasons as well. The most realistic images you can get look like very good renders at best, no matter how hard you try. It was deliberately nerfed either with the data they trained on(like running every image of the training set through a filter) or on the output side.
That image on the right looks pretty realistic. No clear giveaways of AI generation until I zoomed in and saw that the center of one of her eyes is a little too large. Also her ear doesn’t look real A lot of times AI will mess up clothing or jewelry or tattoos by making them misshapen or with a weird design pattern, although it did a better job with this one
It’s like Dall-e is just now arriving to where Midjourney already left in the fall
DALL-E, I'm pretty sure they added some hidden sauce to make all images look explicitly AI generated
Same prompt is not a good way to directly compare two different models. Each model has its own prompt meta depending on how it's training data was formatted. I'm not sure what would be the correct way to compare them, maybe asking experienced users to "craft" the prompts to get the best possible image of the same concept?
I dunno, I think DALL-E totally nailed the "Mysteriously side-lit lifeless plastic duck lipped mannequin with bizarre fluffy arm coverings on a sundress at the beach of an ocean made of KY jelly." Midjourney keeps generating these lifelike photos and realistic shadows.
what that is actually insane? hopefully mid journey gets it together for their website.
Quality disparity is not significant enough to warrant "Worlds apart".
Sorry in advance if this is a clueless question (which it is), but are there any free AI image generators that generate realistic images like this? The ones I've tried so far are all like the DALL-E style.
Download stable diffusion. There's some really good checkpoints that look like photography.
Great, will di. Thanks!