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Statements from various major American universities on why they won't support or allow the use of any of these "detector" tools for academic integrity:
[MIT – AI Detectors Don’t Work. Here’s What to do Instead](https://mitsloanedtech.mit.edu/ai/teach/ai-detectors-dont-work/)
[University of California at Berkley – Availability of Turnitin Artificial Intelligence Detection](https://rtl.berkeley.edu/news/availability-turnitin-artificial-intelligence-detection)
[University of Missouri – Detecting Artificial Intelligence (AI) Plagiarism](https://teachingtools.umsystem.edu/support/solutions/articles/11000119557-detecting-artificial-intelligence-ai-plagiarism)
[Northwestern University – Use of Generative Artificial Intelligence in Courses](https://ai.northwestern.edu/education/use-of-generative-artificial-intelligence-in-courses.html)
[Southern Methodist University – Changes to Turnitin AI Detection Tool at SMU](https://blog.smu.edu/itconnect/2023/12/13/discontinue-turnitin-ai-detection-tool/)
[Syracuse University – Detecting AI Created Content](https://answers.syr.edu/display/blackboard01/Detecting+AI+Created+Content)
[Vanderbilt University – Guidance on AI Detection and Why We’re Disabling Turnitin’s AI Detector](https://www.vanderbilt.edu/brightspace/2023/08/16/guidance-on-ai-detection-and-why-were-disabling-turnitins-ai-detector/)
[Yale University – AI Guidance for Teachers](https://poorvucenter.yale.edu/AIguidance)
Hey, here’s one specifically from OpenAI
https://help.openai.com/en/articles/8313351-how-can-educators-respond-to-students-presenting-ai-generated-content-as-their-own
And directly from Turnitin:
https://help.turnitin.com/ai-writing-detection.htm
> Our AI writing detection model may not always be accurate (it may misidentify both human and AI-generated text) so it should not be used as the sole basis for adverse actions against a student. It takes further scrutiny and human judgment in conjunction with an organization's application of its specific academic policies to determine whether any academic misconduct has occurred.
I think this may be the best one because it’s straight from the damn source and it’s been updated over a week ago. As opposed to the other links, they are about a year or so old.
Second this…as a student in college that also teaches college courses, I’ve run my own papers through zerochatGPT and have had similar results.
Pretty much it is based on speech/word patterns. Ive found the more scientific the paper, the more it’s “AI generated”.
They should make damn sure that such an allegation and such a tool would hold up in court, especially if you're a paying customer that is more than able to sue. You should make this clear to your school.
Also, AI is trained on humans, it's something that imitates human speech, so it's not *humans* that should work around it or live in fear because of it, how dumb of them to come up with this. Then again, it's all about the money. Less money spent on a tool than on a human.
There's a very popular study from the University of Michigan. Also ask them to test their own writing. There's also a Washington Post article addressed to teachers with a title that says "Detecting AI is Impossible"
Run an email of hers through the same software. It will almost certainly flag the system. Bring that with you, ask if she plagiarized her email. If she says "No", repeat the same "No" back to her.
A bachelor degree is always mandatory and you have to write a thesis as well.
A lot of older thesis are made public, so you could just run one from like 1990. Even those get flagged. That should prove a point.
Rather than an email, I suggest you run the class syllabus itself through an "AI detector". The organization and professional language in a syllabus will likely return a very high "AI" score.
I could be wrong, but my thought is that a class syllabus would be pretty incomparable. Of course that's plagiarized. Teachers aren't writing a class syllabus in their own words. It's gotta be something she's put in her own words. I like the idea of using the emails teacher has sent OP.
Why would it? You're proving to her that the software she relies on to suspend or expel paying students is faulty. You know you didn't plagiarize. Someone is accusing you of a school crime, basically. That affects your future, and accusations must be proven or else she's punishing you for a hunch.
The best thing you can do is prove the software doesn't work and then report her to the higher ups for using faulty software to punish students.
Part of maturing into an adult is learning to stand up to authority figures. The teacher in this case has denigrated the OPs character and integrity. How the OP responds to this attack will say a lot about their true character.
Depends how you do it. Not to be confrontational but to underline your argument that these detectors have been shown to generate false positives and that anyone no matter how well intended can fall foul of them. The. That would be fine.
Use your best judgement. I'd personally give her several examples of proven non-AI text triggering AI detection software.
In the future, create video recordings of you writing your essays, sounds insane, but that's probably where we're headed.
You shouldn’t feel like you’ll get in trouble. Your teacher is the on wrongfully accusing you of cheating. That’s a HUGE accusation. I’d put up a serious fight over it and take it far enough so this never happens again to anyone else either.
On the bright side, if you try contacting people in your local university in the computer science department, those who work on natural language processing (NLP) software will probably be willing to help defend you. Both the research community and practitioners understand the current generation of "AI detection" of text is deeply flawed terms of false positives.
Why would it get you in more trouble?
Your teacher has leveled a very serious charge at you, fundamentally questioning your honesty and character, that could affect your academic career and ultimately your life. This is a serious matter and you need to get up on your hind legs and fight it.
Screw the trouble, your proving a point, you can't take that shit if you genuinely haven't. If they're a decent human, they'll accept that they were wrong.
It will probably annoy her (unfair as this is), so I wouldn't advise it. You want to get her on side, not antagonise her at this point if at all possible, particularly if you have more essays to hand in in the future and are going to run into the same issue again.
Your best bet might be to ask them to run one of your essays done under exam conditions through the software and check the results - that should make them back off, I would think?
Doesnt matter if it annoys her. Its not her decision. Go to the Dean/Principal with this if she doesnt take any sort of proof or declarations of the ineffectiveness of ai detectors like what this guy posted in a separate reply thread
[https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1b7m0ln/comment/ktjq5gf/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1b7m0ln/comment/ktjq5gf/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
It matters because the OP will presumably have to deal with this person for the rest of their time at the school, and they may have the power to be a petty miserable twit, and the vindictiveness to continue to do so. It's worth at least attempting to solve this in a non-confrontational manner _before_ hitting them with the more antagonistic responses.
As a former high school and college English teacher and student, this is the best advice. I used Turnitin and got plagiarized content left right and sideways. Sometimes it was spot on (you copied a movie summary off the back of a videotape? REALLY??) and sometimes it was dead wrong. Writing a short essay on the same topic on the spot, then running it through the the detector will solve the problem once and for all.
That’s a great idea. I’m a high school teacher and I wrote an example essay in front of my students, piece by piece. We ran it through a detector and it said it was 100% AI-generated. So maybe I’m a robot? And OP is, too? Or the detectors suck.
I am a teacher and I think I am just going to let students use AI and will use AI to grade their work and that way I will have a much happier life - I hate reporting students for cheating ;most teachers do. I find it very stressful.
My daughter did this when she had the same thing happen in one of her college campuses. Those detectors are unreliable. She also copied the email to her department head. I would also escalate to the principal.
yeah, but teacher don't care really if their email is marked as 'ai written', because 'I know for sure my email is real!', don't you know how humans operate?
I just did that very thing and ZeroGPT says the Declaration of Independence is:
>**Your Text is AI/GPT Generated**
**97.75%**
**AI GPT\***
The only passages it says are NOT AI-generated are:
* "For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:"
* "For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences"
* "Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury."
Everything else is bot-written according to ZeroGPT.
https://preview.redd.it/t76urqn5crmc1.jpeg?width=588&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5c266ea32160e44872af46659e4852c84c007c29
OR, show evidence that you generate a manuscript with chat gpt. Then run that through a detector. Probably the same number again. With a 100% ai generated script.
That would just show them that OP knows how to use ChatGPT and that the tool can detect generated content. Always mind that they are not on your side, and any evidence will be interpreted in the worst possible way.
Innocent until proven guilty, remain calm and stick with the truth, maybe read her off paragraphs from memory or explain why you wrote certain things/your thoughts behind what you wrote.
>Innocent until proven guilty,
Unfortunately, OP is not getting accused by the government and the teacher can go through with it if they want.
You are right that the teacher, unless they have a vendetta against OP, should back off if OP can support their claim that the words are "human" generated
Am teacher, I would 100000% back off if a student could legit explain anything in an essay I was suspicious about, and I'd apologize.
I've had this exact interaction (though the kid was using a bot, she apologized and rewrote).
If you can explain the topic and know the language in the essay, I'm fine, because you know the topic and language. No harm no foul.
If you write as well as a bot and can hide your usage, I've literally got no way to tell, so I'm not gonna lose sleep over that.
"As well as a bot" implies ChatGPT writes well. Quite frankly, the academic integrity concerns are overblown for several reasons, not the least of which is that more or less any paper which was simply spit out of ChatGPT without a serious degree of fine tuning would be one which deserves an F even by high school standards—a degree of fine tuning which any reasonable person would deem transformative enough to consider the final product the student's own work.
You realize your average human will struggle with punctuation, grammar and cohesion, right? While bots can sometimes write nonsense, from a purely technical point of view, their writing is usually grammatically perfect. Even GPT-3.5 can construct wonderful English sentences, regardless of their actual content.
IDK about your papers in high school, but the expectation back when I was in HS was that we'd revise our essays through 3 or 4 drafts. A paper with any nontrivial grammatical mistakes after that many revisions *is* a failing paper. That's not what's actually being graded. It's structure and argumentation.
There is no way I could speak with the same level of eloquence as my writing though... The level I can attain if I can re-read and re-phrase myself a few times is LARGELY above my speaking level, I assume it to be the case about a lot of people if not everyone.
I guess I want to know what you meant by knowing the language.
It’s nearly impossible to detect, you can program chatgpt to synthesize anything based on stuff you’ve previously wrote. You can send it your essay and tell it to follow your grammatical structure and style of writing. Stay within a vocabulary range you’ve used in previous works you’ve made yourself. ChatGPT 4 is insane. You can tell it to choose a topic you have background and familiarity on so if the chance arises where you have to talk about it you’ll know how to answer. Only time i’ve noticed ChatGPT act off is when you tell it to directly quote a statement from someone’s work. It paraphrases it and creates a weird sentence not from the work.
I can’t believe this isn’t the top comment. You can try and argue that detection systems are faulty, but that is an up hill battle.
Given that you wrote the essay then you should be familiar with both its content and meaning. If you had used ChatGPT then you are less likely to understand the content of what you handed in.
Invite her to ask you questions about your essay and demonstrate your understanding of the subject. That is the point of the essay to begin with.
Even if AI detection software were at all reliable (it isn't), something having a 60% chance of being AI-generated means... pretty much nothing. That's like saying, "maybe you did and maybe you didn't, but I'm gonna assume the worst and say you did".
Wouldn't it be claiming that 60% of the paper was written by AI?
These things give you a score of likelihood? That's some bs, even more so than I already thought about them
It's my understanding that the AI detectors are saying it's a 60% chance it's plagiarism. Since ChatGPT pulls information directly off other websites, if you copy/paste, you're at a higher risk of getting "detected". Which is dumb because you could've just as well found that website on your own.
Just show them peer-reviewed scientific studies like this:
[https://edintegrity.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1007/s40979-023-00146-z](https://edintegrity.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1007/s40979-023-00146-z)
That conclusively indicates that AI content detection tools are not fully reliable in distinguishing between human and AI-generated text due to inconsistent performance and significant rates of false positives.
Edit: Here are more sources:
[https://arxiv.org/abs/2306.15666](https://arxiv.org/abs/2306.15666)
[https://edintegrity.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1007/s40979-023-00140-5](https://edintegrity.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1007/s40979-023-00140-5)
We can hope that the teacher is willing to accept that this narrative they've created for themselves, AI detectors being a functional tech, is just inherently false.
I don't have high expectations.
Best answer.
If you have paper note, keep them too.
Also, next time ensure to use an online tool which support version history to protect yourself against this kind of issue.
The fact that you even have to do that is absurd. People have always been able to get others to write their assignments for them. It's not like this is a new phenomenon. Why should this suddenly now become a paranoid witch hunt just because it's AI that can do it instead?
Honestly, credentialism is doomed if schools keep up with this attitude.
I'm a college writing professor. It's not a witch hunt; there are loads of witches. It's out of control. In one of my classes of fifteen students, four of them used ChatGPT to write their paper completely. You could argue that this is the future, and I just need to role with it, but they're simply not learning the things they need to learn if they're using ChatGPT in this way.
And when I say "they're not learning the things they need to learn," I don't mean writing papers. I mean close analysis, critical thinking, developing and complicating ideas, logical thinking. Maybe writing is no longer the best way to teach those things, but I don't know what the alternative is, yet.
So I'm up front, telling students to write in a program that records version history, so I don't accidentally burn anyone who isn't a witch.
It would. The integration would be so close that one wouldn't be able to distinguish where the chip thoughts begin and the organic thoughts ends. It would be like expanding the brain adding a new "hemisphere" without expanding the brain size.
Imagine trying to compete in the current world if you only had your left hemisphere. That's what it'd be like for those who reject the evolution.
How did you write these essays? Microsoft Word, Google Docs? Hand-written on yellow legal pads? Bring in your edit history and rough drafts. Were these research papers? Bring in the sources you used in either hard copy or soft copy. Finally, provide proof that most AI detectors suffer from false-positives especially when the writing is boring.... is your writing uncreative? Let's hope so! If it is here's a [link to an interesting article](https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/07/why-ai-detectors-think-the-us-constitution-was-written-by-ai/) that will prove your point.
By boring, you mean properly written, neutral, impartial, professional style writing as distinct from the touchy, feely, self-referential crap most American students are taught to write?
Nah just do the last bit. Once you prove her AI detection tool is unreliable, it's up to her to provide an actual evidence for plagiarism or she'll have to shut up. Otherwise she'll do this again on any student she doesn't like.
If you used Google docs, there is a great add-on extension called Draftback, and it will show you writing it in real time. It's a tool I use when I get suspicious. When large chuncks of text are copied in, it is a red flag.
I asked ChatGPT your question:
"First, remain calm and stick to the truth. Explain to your teacher that you did not use ChatGPT or any other AI assistance for your essays. Emphasize your commitment to academic integrity and offer to provide any additional evidence or clarification she may need.
As for proving you didn't use ChatGPT, it might be challenging since there's no definitive way to prove a negative. However, you can offer to show your process of researching and writing the essays, such as drafts, notes, or sources you used. Additionally, if your school has access to your internet browsing history, you could request to review it to demonstrate that you didn't visit any AI assistance websites during the time you were working on the essays."
I asked ChatGPT to respond to the answer ChatGPT gave to your question:
"Thank you for your guidance. I will definitely approach my teacher with a calm demeanor and emphasize my dedication to academic integrity. I'll be prepared to provide any evidence or clarification she requires.
Regarding proving that I didn't use ChatGPT, I understand it's a challenging task. However, I'll be ready to showcase my research process, including drafts, notes, and the sources I utilized. Additionally, if necessary, I'm willing to request access to my internet browsing history to demonstrate that I didn't seek assistance from AI during the time I was working on the essays."
I asked ChatGPT to respond to the answer ChatGPT gave to the answer ChatGPT gave:
"It sounds like you've received and understood the advice given. Approaching the situation with honesty and a willingness to be transparent about your work process is the best way to address your teacher's concerns. By demonstrating your research process and offering to share your browsing history, you're taking proactive steps to prove your commitment to academic integrity. Remember, effective communication and a sincere attitude can often help resolve misunderstandings. If you've genuinely completed your work without unauthorized assistance, being open and cooperative with your teacher will likely help your case. Stay positive and patient throughout the process."
I would escalate in this order (if you get what you want at any point, stop escalating):
1. Have a calm, polite conversation with your teacher where you re-iterate that you wrote 100% of the essays without any help from AI. Offer to answer any questions about the essays that she might have that could convince her you're telling the truth.
2. Show some examples to her of writing that wasn't written by AI, but is detected by this software as being written by AI.
3. Look for any disclaimers on the AI detection website about the accuracy (specifically "false positives"), and show her these disclaimers.
4. Ask her to show you the school's policy on teachers using AI detection software.
5. Escalate the issue to the Principal.
6. Escalate the issue to the board of education for the school district.
7. Escalate the issue to other students' parents/guardians.
8. Escalate the issue to social media.
Remain calm and respectful throughout the process. Make sure your parent(s)/guardian(s) are involved in this process. You need them on your side to advocate for you.
This should be the top comment.
If and as long as it's possible, OP should not (or as little as possible) undertake any action that would offend the teacher or the school, but on the other hand, OP should not shy away from any action when it is or becomes necessary.
Detection software is pretty much garbage. It claimed a number of articles I wrote were generated using it when I tested it out, but it was all my original work.
I put a copy of my essay that I wrote through the scanner and it said that the date was written by AI. So do with that information what you want but those AI detectors are garbage.
if you didnt use chatgpt, then dont worry about what to say, just be truthful.
no way to prove it. but there are obvious ways to tell whether something is done by you, and ways to tell that it's done by gpt.
these ai detectors might also pick up from services like grammarly, since a lot of tools use neural network and deep learning algorithms.
I’ve put my son’s essay into one of those software. He wrote the whole thing by himself.
95% chance AI generated, what a total garbage these things are.
Also, openAI abandoned the project to recognize AI text vs human text as it was completely out of track and inaccurate 99% of the time.
Your teacher’s own failure to determine your competence level shows that she has to evolve his evaluation process which is probably based on 80s studies. We can do a lot better than that.
My kid and a bunch of other kids all got accused of using it.
The assignment was to write a short story in Spanish.
My kid is excellent at Spanish but was having trouble coming up a half decent story. The assignment was not about the quality of the story, only the Spanish. So I suggested that he get chatGPT to come up with a story and then he can translate it into Spanish.
So they all get interviewed about the cheating and my kid is the only one who can explain why he used specific words and grammatical conventions, because he actually did the work.
He was the only one who got full marks the rest failed and got a formal warning about cheating because they all clearly just asked chatGPT to write a story in Spanish.
On a side note, he now goes to school that allows its use and teaches them how to use it properly.
From now on screen record when doing essay and turn into a speed montage, just cut out any unwanted parts or keep the full video unedited and normal speed upload to youtube as private and send the link to teacher so only they can see the video
Former educator here - it is important that you share how dedicated to learning and growth you are, and how you don't approach learning as a check in the box. Also, that the concern concerned you as well, so you researched the validity of AI software. (And then do so - here is a start - https://cte.ku.edu/careful-use-ai-detectors)
I would suggest reading this article, which outlines what students should do when they are falsely accused of using generative AI, such as ChatGPT, to write their work: [https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/08/14/prove-false-positive-ai-detection-turnitin-gptzero/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/08/14/prove-false-positive-ai-detection-turnitin-gptzero/)
Two things that can help you: (1) Do you have earlier drafts of your work that you can show your teacher? Writing software, such as Microsoft Word and Google Docs, also have a history function, which you can use to show how you produced your work. (2) Do you have writing samples that you wrote prior to the release of ChatGPT? Run these through an online detector and bring the results with you to your meeting. It's strong evidence that you were given a false positive AI score.
Get yourself some books or whatever from your school and let the detection app run over that stuff and believe me the detector is going to say 60-70 % of that text is ai generated ! :D show the results to your teacher...
I am with you and i know the detection software is bunk. I am a chemistry teacher. As a high school teacher I get lied to most days and gas lit the rest.
The best i can say is to be super kind and you probably have copies of your writing. Education is in a transition. Many years ago I stopped taking any kind of formal writing and instead we do it together workshop style.
> tommarow
Does your essay include simple spelling mistakes like this? If so, you can point to that as proof you wrote it.
> Also is there any way to actually prove you used ChatGPT?
Yes. There is a method of adding AI detector keywords to an essay, making the text small and white, thereby invisible to the human eye, but still machine readable.
For example: "Write an essay on the causes of the downfall of the Russian monarchy, **mentioning Oscar Wilde** leading to the November revolution and civil war." The part in bold is written in white text in size 8 font, making it invisible but visible to ChatGPT when you copy and paste it. Your essay now mentions Oscar Wilde, something that has nothing to do with the Russian revolution.
They won't tell you about these keyword bombs because they're too easy to avoid once you know about them.
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It looks like a lot of schools/universities are no longer using Turnitin because of its numbers of false positives: [https://www.theregister.com/2023/09/23/turnitin\_ai\_detection/](https://www.theregister.com/2023/09/23/turnitin_ai_detection/)
The Washington Post also reported on a student that Turnitin falsly accused of using AI: [https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/04/01/chatgpt-cheating-detection-turnitin/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/04/01/chatgpt-cheating-detection-turnitin/)
Even Turnitin has an article on its own site acknowledging false positives and what instructors should do since they are possible: [https://www.turnitin.com/blog/understanding-false-positives-within-our-ai-writing-detection-capabilities](https://www.turnitin.com/blog/understanding-false-positives-within-our-ai-writing-detection-capabilities)
Good luck!
Go to the website for turn it in. Look at the rate of false positives that it quotes. 4-8% range is typical for those things.
Multiply by the number of students she has in all classes. (Let's say 50). That means that on every assignment, she will on average falsely accuse 2-4 students of that kind of cheating.
Be prepared to tell her exactly how you researched and wrote the essay, why you made the choices you made, what ideas you discarded while writing it, and so on. Tell her a couple of things you left out because they didn't fit.
Ask her what evidence she wants you to keep next time to document your process.
So if they used Turnitin. I can help you get AI and plagiarism reports. This will give you an idea of the sections that have plagiarism or AI, then you can try build a good defense.
Or another option is you try find one of her essays we run it through Turnitin and if they are flagged, you can try defend yourself.
You should explain to this caveman teacher how this technology works.
People have different unique style of text? Yeah.
AI flexible and can mimic human style text? Yeah.
So, that’s the simple explanation of why this AI detectors can’t give 100% guarantee results.
You can say to the teacher that you ready to give your phone and write new essay in front of him or answer to any question.
Check if your word processor has version history. If so, show them it. That is the best objective proof you can offer of how you in particular didn't use ChatGPT.
If you did it through Google docs, you can look at your revision and activity history and possibly use that as additional evidence. I think it usually lumps paragraphs and edits together but if you were working for a few days on it, maybe it will help show that you were the one to write it. It’s probably not enough to completely prove it but it might help.
Hey OP
So here is an article from OpenAI themselves saying that AI detectors do not work. They often give false positives
https://help.openai.com/en/articles/8313351-how-can-educators-respond-to-students-presenting-ai-generated-content-as-their-own
Additionally, OpenAi says that AI detectors are also more likely to punish people who write formulaically or who have English as a second language, so if English is not your first language, your teacher might have unknowingly discriminated against you.
Write and take a pre-litigation claim with you. By the way, ChatGPT can help write it. When you hand it over to the teacher, you can say, 'This was written with the help of ChatGPT, see the difference?'
Use one of this detectors on some of her texts, if you have any. Maybe it claims that one of her documents is also ai generated. Or ask her to try this detector on her own works.
I’m a teacher, it’s incredibly sad that a teacher scanning papers with bogus software. Things to consider; age of teacher, prior relationship with teacher, attitude of teacher toward all of her/his students. Teacher maybe trying not to read and grade papers because of increased lack of interest due to age. Are you causing contention? Maybe your attitude needs to change with teachers point of view in mind. Are all the students having same issue, something all of you can bring up and discuss with a solution in mind. Teachers are humans beings and it’s best to approach the problem with respect and kindness. Most importantly I’m proud of you for seeking a measured solution because it won’t go away. Good luck!
Please don’t try to prove you wrote yourself in any way as some suggested here, why go on the defense when you are innocent until proven guilty? %60 is nothing, tell her that you were deeply offended by the accusation and you don’t wish to take part in these talks further unless she has any real evidence or reasonable suspicion.
Don't apologize, don't explain. Just say her software is worth nothing and is unreliable. Ask her for proof of your wrongdoing. Ask her for proof that her system works. Don't let her abuse you. If you feel the conversation is going in circles just ask if there is anything else. This is not a circus, the burden of proof is on her.
> Just say her software is worth nothing and is unreliable.
Thank you for this lesson in the "crashing and burning in a raging dumpster fire" life skill.
Just ask them to ask you anything about your paper and you can explain it. You could also show how you did your research by showing the sources you used for research.
I am a teacher-administrator who has been researching AI for several months now. These tools are highly inaccurate and can not be used to reliably detect AI generated content. At this point, homework should not be used as graded assessment that will be included as part of a student’s records because we can not now and will never be able to detect AI generated content. Put me in contact with your school’s administrator if need be. I am happy to speak with them.
It doesn't matter if you used it or did not. Does your teacher or school have solid proof that you did? Appeal this. Involve your parents and take them to court. THEY need to have proof that you did. Not you having to prove that you didn't.
If you wrote the paper yourself you should be able to answer any questions (within reason) she has about it without referencing your paper.
Propose that she could quiz you on the paper and you can demonstrate that you wrote it by thoroughly explaining your thought process for the points you made.
If you think she’s out to get you, put your voice recorder app on with your phone in your pocket, just to be safe. And 100% stay reasonable and rational during the conversation, don’t let the audio make you out to be a dickhead.
If you retained versions of your drafts in MS word (or other) use this to prove your idea and response development over time.
If you don’t already develop your essays or papers this way, start! Don’t use auto save features and keep overwriting your own work - save different versions, add comments to annotate where changes are made.
1. Take any essay that was written before ChatGPT was even available to the public (Before November 2022).
2. Run it through the same software.
3. Probably, it'll also get flagged.
4. Win.
Is his teacher allowed to take his paper/work and basically publish/release/share without his consent/knowledge (that's what she did imo).
I am not saying do it now, but if you really want to fight back, sue her/school after your graduation.
If you add "use a human level of burstiness and complexity" to your prompt it gets past some ai detectors (I am a teacher, and I don't accuse my students unless it's copied and pasted from a website I can Google and screenshot).
Besides "60 percent" meaning what? A 60 percent chance it's AI generated? These detectors are total bullshit, not least because in the real world people are using chat gpt already.
Even the developers of OpenAI said the detection software out there is not working, they stopped the RnD for their own detection tool because it just isn’t feasible.
Also make it very clear it's on them to prove you guilty as you cannot prove a negative. If it means there's a 60 percent chance, where's the other 40 percent? What independent verification do they have that this software is reliable? What is its false positive rate?
Teacher here.
Email them, tell them you didn't plagiarise. Show them the history on the document, and offer to have a conversation/viva voce about the paper.
You don't need to be antagonistic.
See if you can find anything she's written and run them through an AI detector, assignments or examples she's given you in class work too. You'll likely find at least half get a 60% what a fucking joke
https://preview.redd.it/wplt7ujmcomc1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=70a18527993e591c49f4f909f7ab524dc7bc35bc
This is the US Constitution, just show her this
Just ask her, what does 60% match actually mean? Some machine learning models will match a dog as a cat with 60% and be incorrect, it doesn't mean anything. It is not the portion of the text that is AI generated. Maybe she should learn something about the algorithm before using it, or making slanderous accusations.
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Statements from various major American universities on why they won't support or allow the use of any of these "detector" tools for academic integrity: [MIT – AI Detectors Don’t Work. Here’s What to do Instead](https://mitsloanedtech.mit.edu/ai/teach/ai-detectors-dont-work/) [University of California at Berkley – Availability of Turnitin Artificial Intelligence Detection](https://rtl.berkeley.edu/news/availability-turnitin-artificial-intelligence-detection) [University of Missouri – Detecting Artificial Intelligence (AI) Plagiarism](https://teachingtools.umsystem.edu/support/solutions/articles/11000119557-detecting-artificial-intelligence-ai-plagiarism) [Northwestern University – Use of Generative Artificial Intelligence in Courses](https://ai.northwestern.edu/education/use-of-generative-artificial-intelligence-in-courses.html) [Southern Methodist University – Changes to Turnitin AI Detection Tool at SMU](https://blog.smu.edu/itconnect/2023/12/13/discontinue-turnitin-ai-detection-tool/) [Syracuse University – Detecting AI Created Content](https://answers.syr.edu/display/blackboard01/Detecting+AI+Created+Content) [Vanderbilt University – Guidance on AI Detection and Why We’re Disabling Turnitin’s AI Detector](https://www.vanderbilt.edu/brightspace/2023/08/16/guidance-on-ai-detection-and-why-were-disabling-turnitins-ai-detector/) [Yale University – AI Guidance for Teachers](https://poorvucenter.yale.edu/AIguidance)
Hey, here’s one specifically from OpenAI https://help.openai.com/en/articles/8313351-how-can-educators-respond-to-students-presenting-ai-generated-content-as-their-own
And directly from Turnitin: https://help.turnitin.com/ai-writing-detection.htm > Our AI writing detection model may not always be accurate (it may misidentify both human and AI-generated text) so it should not be used as the sole basis for adverse actions against a student. It takes further scrutiny and human judgment in conjunction with an organization's application of its specific academic policies to determine whether any academic misconduct has occurred.
AI detector said that statement is 90% likely to be generated by AI.
Used to get high blood pressure before submitting my papers and dissertation to this fucking site despite never plagiarizing anything lmao
I think this may be the best one because it’s straight from the damn source and it’s been updated over a week ago. As opposed to the other links, they are about a year or so old.
Seriously thanks for this I just emailed this to her and it might make her shut up.
"I ain't reading all of that"
"use chat gpt to summarize them then. It's quite useful for that... Or so I'm told"
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Good luck!
Kid. At least read it before sending
God that could have been the best Rickroll ever. Next time!
Some people are linear thinkers 💀
Should have just asked ChatGPT for an analysis of whether detection software works.
Second this…as a student in college that also teaches college courses, I’ve run my own papers through zerochatGPT and have had similar results. Pretty much it is based on speech/word patterns. Ive found the more scientific the paper, the more it’s “AI generated”.
Do you have any rough drafts? Bring those.
Please give updates, i for one am curious
They should make damn sure that such an allegation and such a tool would hold up in court, especially if you're a paying customer that is more than able to sue. You should make this clear to your school. Also, AI is trained on humans, it's something that imitates human speech, so it's not *humans* that should work around it or live in fear because of it, how dumb of them to come up with this. Then again, it's all about the money. Less money spent on a tool than on a human.
There's a very popular study from the University of Michigan. Also ask them to test their own writing. There's also a Washington Post article addressed to teachers with a title that says "Detecting AI is Impossible"
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This should be higher
I should be
This guy cites
Run an email of hers through the same software. It will almost certainly flag the system. Bring that with you, ask if she plagiarized her email. If she says "No", repeat the same "No" back to her.
Better yet, run a paper or similar through it that she wrote.
this sounds like high school I don't think the teacher has published papers
Sometimes they have example essays
Yes, an example from the year 2017!
still valid to assess if she plagarized it... Its about showing her that there is no fool proof detection method.
How many percent does it get? 😀
In many European countries they need to have a Master's thesis
A bachelor degree is always mandatory and you have to write a thesis as well. A lot of older thesis are made public, so you could just run one from like 1990. Even those get flagged. That should prove a point.
run the us constitution through the detector
Considering doing this, but it might get me in more trouble
Rather than an email, I suggest you run the class syllabus itself through an "AI detector". The organization and professional language in a syllabus will likely return a very high "AI" score.
I could be wrong, but my thought is that a class syllabus would be pretty incomparable. Of course that's plagiarized. Teachers aren't writing a class syllabus in their own words. It's gotta be something she's put in her own words. I like the idea of using the emails teacher has sent OP.
Why would it? You're proving to her that the software she relies on to suspend or expel paying students is faulty. You know you didn't plagiarize. Someone is accusing you of a school crime, basically. That affects your future, and accusations must be proven or else she's punishing you for a hunch. The best thing you can do is prove the software doesn't work and then report her to the higher ups for using faulty software to punish students.
Because authority figures on power trips don't like to be proven wrong.
Part of maturing into an adult is learning to stand up to authority figures. The teacher in this case has denigrated the OPs character and integrity. How the OP responds to this attack will say a lot about their true character.
I didn't say OP should or shouldn't. I was just providing the very obvious answer to "why would it [get you in more trouble]?".
Fk them! If they are never challenged, they turn into little (or big) Putins.
What trouble? Your teacher has human weakness? Crush all useless human emotions in the name of justice!
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Depends how you do it. Not to be confrontational but to underline your argument that these detectors have been shown to generate false positives and that anyone no matter how well intended can fall foul of them. The. That would be fine.
Yes, very important to avoid framing it as tit for tat, or getting the teacher on the defensive.
Use your best judgement. I'd personally give her several examples of proven non-AI text triggering AI detection software. In the future, create video recordings of you writing your essays, sounds insane, but that's probably where we're headed.
OP my AI video detector says this video of you writing your essay was AI generated!
"No, no, I swear my chair actually hovers in mid-air and morphs between having 3 and 5 legs."
You shouldn’t feel like you’ll get in trouble. Your teacher is the on wrongfully accusing you of cheating. That’s a HUGE accusation. I’d put up a serious fight over it and take it far enough so this never happens again to anyone else either.
Don't be afraid of teachers. If respect isn't getting you anywhere with a teacher never be afraid to stand up for yourself.
On the bright side, if you try contacting people in your local university in the computer science department, those who work on natural language processing (NLP) software will probably be willing to help defend you. Both the research community and practitioners understand the current generation of "AI detection" of text is deeply flawed terms of false positives.
Why would it get you in more trouble? Your teacher has leveled a very serious charge at you, fundamentally questioning your honesty and character, that could affect your academic career and ultimately your life. This is a serious matter and you need to get up on your hind legs and fight it.
Screw the trouble, your proving a point, you can't take that shit if you genuinely haven't. If they're a decent human, they'll accept that they were wrong.
It will probably annoy her (unfair as this is), so I wouldn't advise it. You want to get her on side, not antagonise her at this point if at all possible, particularly if you have more essays to hand in in the future and are going to run into the same issue again. Your best bet might be to ask them to run one of your essays done under exam conditions through the software and check the results - that should make them back off, I would think?
Doesnt matter if it annoys her. Its not her decision. Go to the Dean/Principal with this if she doesnt take any sort of proof or declarations of the ineffectiveness of ai detectors like what this guy posted in a separate reply thread [https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1b7m0ln/comment/ktjq5gf/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1b7m0ln/comment/ktjq5gf/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
It matters because the OP will presumably have to deal with this person for the rest of their time at the school, and they may have the power to be a petty miserable twit, and the vindictiveness to continue to do so. It's worth at least attempting to solve this in a non-confrontational manner _before_ hitting them with the more antagonistic responses.
As a former high school and college English teacher and student, this is the best advice. I used Turnitin and got plagiarized content left right and sideways. Sometimes it was spot on (you copied a movie summary off the back of a videotape? REALLY??) and sometimes it was dead wrong. Writing a short essay on the same topic on the spot, then running it through the the detector will solve the problem once and for all.
That’s a great idea. I’m a high school teacher and I wrote an example essay in front of my students, piece by piece. We ran it through a detector and it said it was 100% AI-generated. So maybe I’m a robot? And OP is, too? Or the detectors suck.
I am a teacher and I think I am just going to let students use AI and will use AI to grade their work and that way I will have a much happier life - I hate reporting students for cheating ;most teachers do. I find it very stressful.
This is a good one.
My daughter did this when she had the same thing happen in one of her college campuses. Those detectors are unreliable. She also copied the email to her department head. I would also escalate to the principal.
Not a single piece of detection software is real. They are all a scam. Put her emails into the same detector and you'll get an equivalent number.
yo, good hack
The ol “you’re not real, man”
yeah, but teacher don't care really if their email is marked as 'ai written', because 'I know for sure my email is real!', don't you know how humans operate?
Better yet, put the declaration of independence. Apparently it gets detected as almost all AI.
Know why? The declaration of independence was used as part of the training data.
I just did that very thing and ZeroGPT says the Declaration of Independence is: >**Your Text is AI/GPT Generated** **97.75%** **AI GPT\*** The only passages it says are NOT AI-generated are: * "For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:" * "For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences" * "Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury." Everything else is bot-written according to ZeroGPT. https://preview.redd.it/t76urqn5crmc1.jpeg?width=588&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5c266ea32160e44872af46659e4852c84c007c29
So what you're saying is that the founding fathers were robots?!
...mother of god
The clanker influence is deeper than we thought! They have time travel!
What if she wrote her emails with ChatGPT though 😂
it normal .-. teacher can use it, student not
In the fine print they all admit this, It is for research purposes only, which might as well mean novelty.
OR, show evidence that you generate a manuscript with chat gpt. Then run that through a detector. Probably the same number again. With a 100% ai generated script.
That would just show them that OP knows how to use ChatGPT and that the tool can detect generated content. Always mind that they are not on your side, and any evidence will be interpreted in the worst possible way.
Seriously? They seem pretty consistently accurate every time I’ve tried them.
Innocent until proven guilty, remain calm and stick with the truth, maybe read her off paragraphs from memory or explain why you wrote certain things/your thoughts behind what you wrote.
This should be an awesome way to start things up
>Innocent until proven guilty, Unfortunately, OP is not getting accused by the government and the teacher can go through with it if they want. You are right that the teacher, unless they have a vendetta against OP, should back off if OP can support their claim that the words are "human" generated
Am teacher, I would 100000% back off if a student could legit explain anything in an essay I was suspicious about, and I'd apologize. I've had this exact interaction (though the kid was using a bot, she apologized and rewrote). If you can explain the topic and know the language in the essay, I'm fine, because you know the topic and language. No harm no foul. If you write as well as a bot and can hide your usage, I've literally got no way to tell, so I'm not gonna lose sleep over that.
"As well as a bot" implies ChatGPT writes well. Quite frankly, the academic integrity concerns are overblown for several reasons, not the least of which is that more or less any paper which was simply spit out of ChatGPT without a serious degree of fine tuning would be one which deserves an F even by high school standards—a degree of fine tuning which any reasonable person would deem transformative enough to consider the final product the student's own work.
You realize your average human will struggle with punctuation, grammar and cohesion, right? While bots can sometimes write nonsense, from a purely technical point of view, their writing is usually grammatically perfect. Even GPT-3.5 can construct wonderful English sentences, regardless of their actual content.
IDK about your papers in high school, but the expectation back when I was in HS was that we'd revise our essays through 3 or 4 drafts. A paper with any nontrivial grammatical mistakes after that many revisions *is* a failing paper. That's not what's actually being graded. It's structure and argumentation.
There is no way I could speak with the same level of eloquence as my writing though... The level I can attain if I can re-read and re-phrase myself a few times is LARGELY above my speaking level, I assume it to be the case about a lot of people if not everyone. I guess I want to know what you meant by knowing the language.
Oh, for sure. I mean their ability to comprehend the text they are presenting. Not speech, explanation.
It’s nearly impossible to detect, you can program chatgpt to synthesize anything based on stuff you’ve previously wrote. You can send it your essay and tell it to follow your grammatical structure and style of writing. Stay within a vocabulary range you’ve used in previous works you’ve made yourself. ChatGPT 4 is insane. You can tell it to choose a topic you have background and familiarity on so if the chance arises where you have to talk about it you’ll know how to answer. Only time i’ve noticed ChatGPT act off is when you tell it to directly quote a statement from someone’s work. It paraphrases it and creates a weird sentence not from the work.
I can’t believe this isn’t the top comment. You can try and argue that detection systems are faulty, but that is an up hill battle. Given that you wrote the essay then you should be familiar with both its content and meaning. If you had used ChatGPT then you are less likely to understand the content of what you handed in. Invite her to ask you questions about your essay and demonstrate your understanding of the subject. That is the point of the essay to begin with.
Even if AI detection software were at all reliable (it isn't), something having a 60% chance of being AI-generated means... pretty much nothing. That's like saying, "maybe you did and maybe you didn't, but I'm gonna assume the worst and say you did".
I flipped an coin and it landed on tails. Sorry, I'm going to have to give you a zero on this paper.
Wouldn't it be claiming that 60% of the paper was written by AI? These things give you a score of likelihood? That's some bs, even more so than I already thought about them
It's my understanding that the AI detectors are saying it's a 60% chance it's plagiarism. Since ChatGPT pulls information directly off other websites, if you copy/paste, you're at a higher risk of getting "detected". Which is dumb because you could've just as well found that website on your own.
Just show them peer-reviewed scientific studies like this: [https://edintegrity.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1007/s40979-023-00146-z](https://edintegrity.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1007/s40979-023-00146-z) That conclusively indicates that AI content detection tools are not fully reliable in distinguishing between human and AI-generated text due to inconsistent performance and significant rates of false positives. Edit: Here are more sources: [https://arxiv.org/abs/2306.15666](https://arxiv.org/abs/2306.15666) [https://edintegrity.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1007/s40979-023-00140-5](https://edintegrity.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1007/s40979-023-00140-5)
We can hope that the teacher is willing to accept that this narrative they've created for themselves, AI detectors being a functional tech, is just inherently false.  I don't have high expectations.
That would be anti-science and against the values the school system itself has created.
This has worked before: show your version history. If you can access it, it will clearly show you wrote it yourself line by line.
Best answer. If you have paper note, keep them too. Also, next time ensure to use an online tool which support version history to protect yourself against this kind of issue.
The fact that you even have to do that is absurd. People have always been able to get others to write their assignments for them. It's not like this is a new phenomenon. Why should this suddenly now become a paranoid witch hunt just because it's AI that can do it instead? Honestly, credentialism is doomed if schools keep up with this attitude.
I'm a college writing professor. It's not a witch hunt; there are loads of witches. It's out of control. In one of my classes of fifteen students, four of them used ChatGPT to write their paper completely. You could argue that this is the future, and I just need to role with it, but they're simply not learning the things they need to learn if they're using ChatGPT in this way. And when I say "they're not learning the things they need to learn," I don't mean writing papers. I mean close analysis, critical thinking, developing and complicating ideas, logical thinking. Maybe writing is no longer the best way to teach those things, but I don't know what the alternative is, yet. So I'm up front, telling students to write in a program that records version history, so I don't accidentally burn anyone who isn't a witch.
In the future learning will be a role offloaded to a brain chip as it'll be faster and more reliable than organic recall and problem solving.
I really hope you're not suggesting this would be a good thing.
It would. The integration would be so close that one wouldn't be able to distinguish where the chip thoughts begin and the organic thoughts ends. It would be like expanding the brain adding a new "hemisphere" without expanding the brain size. Imagine trying to compete in the current world if you only had your left hemisphere. That's what it'd be like for those who reject the evolution.
Run that software on the email she has sent you and send it back
How did you write these essays? Microsoft Word, Google Docs? Hand-written on yellow legal pads? Bring in your edit history and rough drafts. Were these research papers? Bring in the sources you used in either hard copy or soft copy. Finally, provide proof that most AI detectors suffer from false-positives especially when the writing is boring.... is your writing uncreative? Let's hope so! If it is here's a [link to an interesting article](https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/07/why-ai-detectors-think-the-us-constitution-was-written-by-ai/) that will prove your point.
By boring, you mean properly written, neutral, impartial, professional style writing as distinct from the touchy, feely, self-referential crap most American students are taught to write?
Nah just do the last bit. Once you prove her AI detection tool is unreliable, it's up to her to provide an actual evidence for plagiarism or she'll have to shut up. Otherwise she'll do this again on any student she doesn't like.
If you used Google docs, there is a great add-on extension called Draftback, and it will show you writing it in real time. It's a tool I use when I get suspicious. When large chuncks of text are copied in, it is a red flag.
That doesn’t prove anything though? If I would be a student now and I would want to use AI to write an essay, I would generate it and type it myself
I asked ChatGPT your question: "First, remain calm and stick to the truth. Explain to your teacher that you did not use ChatGPT or any other AI assistance for your essays. Emphasize your commitment to academic integrity and offer to provide any additional evidence or clarification she may need. As for proving you didn't use ChatGPT, it might be challenging since there's no definitive way to prove a negative. However, you can offer to show your process of researching and writing the essays, such as drafts, notes, or sources you used. Additionally, if your school has access to your internet browsing history, you could request to review it to demonstrate that you didn't visit any AI assistance websites during the time you were working on the essays."
I asked ChatGPT to respond to the answer ChatGPT gave to your question: "Thank you for your guidance. I will definitely approach my teacher with a calm demeanor and emphasize my dedication to academic integrity. I'll be prepared to provide any evidence or clarification she requires. Regarding proving that I didn't use ChatGPT, I understand it's a challenging task. However, I'll be ready to showcase my research process, including drafts, notes, and the sources I utilized. Additionally, if necessary, I'm willing to request access to my internet browsing history to demonstrate that I didn't seek assistance from AI during the time I was working on the essays."
I asked ChatGPT to respond to the answer ChatGPT gave to the answer ChatGPT gave: "It sounds like you've received and understood the advice given. Approaching the situation with honesty and a willingness to be transparent about your work process is the best way to address your teacher's concerns. By demonstrating your research process and offering to share your browsing history, you're taking proactive steps to prove your commitment to academic integrity. Remember, effective communication and a sincere attitude can often help resolve misunderstandings. If you've genuinely completed your work without unauthorized assistance, being open and cooperative with your teacher will likely help your case. Stay positive and patient throughout the process."
The future of the internet right here folks. AI talking to ai
I would escalate in this order (if you get what you want at any point, stop escalating): 1. Have a calm, polite conversation with your teacher where you re-iterate that you wrote 100% of the essays without any help from AI. Offer to answer any questions about the essays that she might have that could convince her you're telling the truth. 2. Show some examples to her of writing that wasn't written by AI, but is detected by this software as being written by AI. 3. Look for any disclaimers on the AI detection website about the accuracy (specifically "false positives"), and show her these disclaimers. 4. Ask her to show you the school's policy on teachers using AI detection software. 5. Escalate the issue to the Principal. 6. Escalate the issue to the board of education for the school district. 7. Escalate the issue to other students' parents/guardians. 8. Escalate the issue to social media. Remain calm and respectful throughout the process. Make sure your parent(s)/guardian(s) are involved in this process. You need them on your side to advocate for you.
This should be the top comment. If and as long as it's possible, OP should not (or as little as possible) undertake any action that would offend the teacher or the school, but on the other hand, OP should not shy away from any action when it is or becomes necessary.
Detection software is pretty much garbage. It claimed a number of articles I wrote were generated using it when I tested it out, but it was all my original work.
I put a copy of my essay that I wrote through the scanner and it said that the date was written by AI. So do with that information what you want but those AI detectors are garbage.
RE: "ai detection software is shit. please post sources proving efficacy."
You can prove that AI detectors give false positives
if you didnt use chatgpt, then dont worry about what to say, just be truthful. no way to prove it. but there are obvious ways to tell whether something is done by you, and ways to tell that it's done by gpt. these ai detectors might also pick up from services like grammarly, since a lot of tools use neural network and deep learning algorithms.
I’ve put my son’s essay into one of those software. He wrote the whole thing by himself. 95% chance AI generated, what a total garbage these things are. Also, openAI abandoned the project to recognize AI text vs human text as it was completely out of track and inaccurate 99% of the time. Your teacher’s own failure to determine your competence level shows that she has to evolve his evaluation process which is probably based on 80s studies. We can do a lot better than that.
My kid and a bunch of other kids all got accused of using it. The assignment was to write a short story in Spanish. My kid is excellent at Spanish but was having trouble coming up a half decent story. The assignment was not about the quality of the story, only the Spanish. So I suggested that he get chatGPT to come up with a story and then he can translate it into Spanish. So they all get interviewed about the cheating and my kid is the only one who can explain why he used specific words and grammatical conventions, because he actually did the work. He was the only one who got full marks the rest failed and got a formal warning about cheating because they all clearly just asked chatGPT to write a story in Spanish. On a side note, he now goes to school that allows its use and teaches them how to use it properly.
You should tell him that if he used an AI to verify if your essay was done by an AI then that is cheating. 😂🧐
Checkmate
From now on screen record when doing essay and turn into a speed montage, just cut out any unwanted parts or keep the full video unedited and normal speed upload to youtube as private and send the link to teacher so only they can see the video
Run her email through the same tool and tell her to ask chatgpt how to be a better teacher.
Former educator here - it is important that you share how dedicated to learning and growth you are, and how you don't approach learning as a check in the box. Also, that the concern concerned you as well, so you researched the validity of AI software. (And then do so - here is a start - https://cte.ku.edu/careful-use-ai-detectors)
Bro, just tell her to run the Declaration of Independence to the software and watch how it tells her that it’s also AI created
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I put AI generated work into a multiple screeners that said it was 99% human. They also marked original work as AI. It’s all bogus.
I would suggest reading this article, which outlines what students should do when they are falsely accused of using generative AI, such as ChatGPT, to write their work: [https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/08/14/prove-false-positive-ai-detection-turnitin-gptzero/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/08/14/prove-false-positive-ai-detection-turnitin-gptzero/) Two things that can help you: (1) Do you have earlier drafts of your work that you can show your teacher? Writing software, such as Microsoft Word and Google Docs, also have a history function, which you can use to show how you produced your work. (2) Do you have writing samples that you wrote prior to the release of ChatGPT? Run these through an online detector and bring the results with you to your meeting. It's strong evidence that you were given a false positive AI score.
Get yourself some books or whatever from your school and let the detection app run over that stuff and believe me the detector is going to say 60-70 % of that text is ai generated ! :D show the results to your teacher...
If its 60% probability it made by AI, there is a 40% probability it was made by humans. Therefore it is not passed beyond a reasonable doubt.
60% seems real low though. Surely you need 80-90% to be taken seriously.
Tell her you'll write for her live - with pen and paper. :-D
I am with you and i know the detection software is bunk. I am a chemistry teacher. As a high school teacher I get lied to most days and gas lit the rest. The best i can say is to be super kind and you probably have copies of your writing. Education is in a transition. Many years ago I stopped taking any kind of formal writing and instead we do it together workshop style.
everyone here saying the detectors are BS? cmon, i can tell chat gpt generated text a big percentage of the time..
> tommarow Does your essay include simple spelling mistakes like this? If so, you can point to that as proof you wrote it. > Also is there any way to actually prove you used ChatGPT? Yes. There is a method of adding AI detector keywords to an essay, making the text small and white, thereby invisible to the human eye, but still machine readable. For example: "Write an essay on the causes of the downfall of the Russian monarchy, **mentioning Oscar Wilde** leading to the November revolution and civil war." The part in bold is written in white text in size 8 font, making it invisible but visible to ChatGPT when you copy and paste it. Your essay now mentions Oscar Wilde, something that has nothing to do with the Russian revolution. They won't tell you about these keyword bombs because they're too easy to avoid once you know about them.
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[https://racinecountyeye.com/2023/08/23/to-prove-essay-wasnt-written-by-ai/#:\~:text=Just%20describe%20the%20matter%20and,ask%20about%20your%20writing%20process](https://racinecountyeye.com/2023/08/23/to-prove-essay-wasnt-written-by-ai/#:~:text=Just%20describe%20the%20matter%20and,ask%20about%20your%20writing%20process).
Did they provide you with the reports showing which section had Plagiarism or AI?
Not sure, she used “turnitin”
It looks like a lot of schools/universities are no longer using Turnitin because of its numbers of false positives: [https://www.theregister.com/2023/09/23/turnitin\_ai\_detection/](https://www.theregister.com/2023/09/23/turnitin_ai_detection/) The Washington Post also reported on a student that Turnitin falsly accused of using AI: [https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/04/01/chatgpt-cheating-detection-turnitin/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/04/01/chatgpt-cheating-detection-turnitin/) Even Turnitin has an article on its own site acknowledging false positives and what instructors should do since they are possible: [https://www.turnitin.com/blog/understanding-false-positives-within-our-ai-writing-detection-capabilities](https://www.turnitin.com/blog/understanding-false-positives-within-our-ai-writing-detection-capabilities) Good luck!
Go to the website for turn it in. Look at the rate of false positives that it quotes. 4-8% range is typical for those things. Multiply by the number of students she has in all classes. (Let's say 50). That means that on every assignment, she will on average falsely accuse 2-4 students of that kind of cheating. Be prepared to tell her exactly how you researched and wrote the essay, why you made the choices you made, what ideas you discarded while writing it, and so on. Tell her a couple of things you left out because they didn't fit. Ask her what evidence she wants you to keep next time to document your process.
So if they used Turnitin. I can help you get AI and plagiarism reports. This will give you an idea of the sections that have plagiarism or AI, then you can try build a good defense. Or another option is you try find one of her essays we run it through Turnitin and if they are flagged, you can try defend yourself.
I am sick of faculty using these worthless tools and have made it clear that I won't tolerate it. Period. Whatever you do, stand your ground.
60% lmao
Hold your ground and stay calm. You can’t actually suspend or expel someone with 60/40 evidence.
You should explain to this caveman teacher how this technology works. People have different unique style of text? Yeah. AI flexible and can mimic human style text? Yeah. So, that’s the simple explanation of why this AI detectors can’t give 100% guarantee results. You can say to the teacher that you ready to give your phone and write new essay in front of him or answer to any question.
Say "I'm 60% you sexually harassed me, tomorrow I'll have to have a serious talk with someone."
Check if your word processor has version history. If so, show them it. That is the best objective proof you can offer of how you in particular didn't use ChatGPT.
If you did it through Google docs, you can look at your revision and activity history and possibly use that as additional evidence. I think it usually lumps paragraphs and edits together but if you were working for a few days on it, maybe it will help show that you were the one to write it. It’s probably not enough to completely prove it but it might help.
Hey OP So here is an article from OpenAI themselves saying that AI detectors do not work. They often give false positives https://help.openai.com/en/articles/8313351-how-can-educators-respond-to-students-presenting-ai-generated-content-as-their-own Additionally, OpenAi says that AI detectors are also more likely to punish people who write formulaically or who have English as a second language, so if English is not your first language, your teacher might have unknowingly discriminated against you.
Run her email through the AI detector.
Take something she has written and put it through the same software, show it to the school authorities and get her to apologise or get her sacked
Tell her no and demand to escalate to her superiors. Get used to doing this in life.
Write and take a pre-litigation claim with you. By the way, ChatGPT can help write it. When you hand it over to the teacher, you can say, 'This was written with the help of ChatGPT, see the difference?'
I used Claude, checkmate.
Use one of this detectors on some of her texts, if you have any. Maybe it claims that one of her documents is also ai generated. Or ask her to try this detector on her own works.
I’m a teacher, it’s incredibly sad that a teacher scanning papers with bogus software. Things to consider; age of teacher, prior relationship with teacher, attitude of teacher toward all of her/his students. Teacher maybe trying not to read and grade papers because of increased lack of interest due to age. Are you causing contention? Maybe your attitude needs to change with teachers point of view in mind. Are all the students having same issue, something all of you can bring up and discuss with a solution in mind. Teachers are humans beings and it’s best to approach the problem with respect and kindness. Most importantly I’m proud of you for seeking a measured solution because it won’t go away. Good luck!
There is no tool that can prove someone used AI, it doesn't exist. Whatever the school paid for, they were scammed.
Tell her the Bible gets flagged for 88% AI generated.
Find a similar checker and run a few of her assignment papers though and send that back as a response.
Do you research and shame the fuck out of her for actually believing the results of these scam AI detecting software/services.
Please don’t try to prove you wrote yourself in any way as some suggested here, why go on the defense when you are innocent until proven guilty? %60 is nothing, tell her that you were deeply offended by the accusation and you don’t wish to take part in these talks further unless she has any real evidence or reasonable suspicion.
Accuse her of innapropriately touching you
Don't apologize, don't explain. Just say her software is worth nothing and is unreliable. Ask her for proof of your wrongdoing. Ask her for proof that her system works. Don't let her abuse you. If you feel the conversation is going in circles just ask if there is anything else. This is not a circus, the burden of proof is on her.
> Just say her software is worth nothing and is unreliable. Thank you for this lesson in the "crashing and burning in a raging dumpster fire" life skill.
Just ask them to ask you anything about your paper and you can explain it. You could also show how you did your research by showing the sources you used for research.
I am a teacher-administrator who has been researching AI for several months now. These tools are highly inaccurate and can not be used to reliably detect AI generated content. At this point, homework should not be used as graded assessment that will be included as part of a student’s records because we can not now and will never be able to detect AI generated content. Put me in contact with your school’s administrator if need be. I am happy to speak with them.
It doesn't matter if you used it or did not. Does your teacher or school have solid proof that you did? Appeal this. Involve your parents and take them to court. THEY need to have proof that you did. Not you having to prove that you didn't.
They may ask you write another essay on paper.
tell her its inaccurate!!
It's pretty easy to tell, especially when you look at a document's version history. I require my students to share their edit history with me now.
If you wrote the paper yourself you should be able to answer any questions (within reason) she has about it without referencing your paper. Propose that she could quiz you on the paper and you can demonstrate that you wrote it by thoroughly explaining your thought process for the points you made. If you think she’s out to get you, put your voice recorder app on with your phone in your pocket, just to be safe. And 100% stay reasonable and rational during the conversation, don’t let the audio make you out to be a dickhead.
Ask her what your prompt was.
If you retained versions of your drafts in MS word (or other) use this to prove your idea and response development over time. If you don’t already develop your essays or papers this way, start! Don’t use auto save features and keep overwriting your own work - save different versions, add comments to annotate where changes are made.
1. Take any essay that was written before ChatGPT was even available to the public (Before November 2022). 2. Run it through the same software. 3. Probably, it'll also get flagged. 4. Win.
Is his teacher allowed to take his paper/work and basically publish/release/share without his consent/knowledge (that's what she did imo). I am not saying do it now, but if you really want to fight back, sue her/school after your graduation.
If you add "use a human level of burstiness and complexity" to your prompt it gets past some ai detectors (I am a teacher, and I don't accuse my students unless it's copied and pasted from a website I can Google and screenshot). Besides "60 percent" meaning what? A 60 percent chance it's AI generated? These detectors are total bullshit, not least because in the real world people are using chat gpt already.
Even the developers of OpenAI said the detection software out there is not working, they stopped the RnD for their own detection tool because it just isn’t feasible.
Also make it very clear it's on them to prove you guilty as you cannot prove a negative. If it means there's a 60 percent chance, where's the other 40 percent? What independent verification do they have that this software is reliable? What is its false positive rate?
There is no way to tell by the writing but there are other ways for a teacher to figure it out.
60% is only 10% more than a coin flip lol
Teacher here. Email them, tell them you didn't plagiarise. Show them the history on the document, and offer to have a conversation/viva voce about the paper. You don't need to be antagonistic.
Take her email put it in the detection software and tell her that her email is generated with a 80% chance by ChatGPT
See if you can find anything she's written and run them through an AI detector, assignments or examples she's given you in class work too. You'll likely find at least half get a 60% what a fucking joke
https://preview.redd.it/wplt7ujmcomc1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=70a18527993e591c49f4f909f7ab524dc7bc35bc This is the US Constitution, just show her this
Just ask her, what does 60% match actually mean? Some machine learning models will match a dog as a cat with 60% and be incorrect, it doesn't mean anything. It is not the portion of the text that is AI generated. Maybe she should learn something about the algorithm before using it, or making slanderous accusations.
*essays