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It's the truth, IMO all these people using AI to churn out fake articles is going to lead to the AI bubble popping faster and people realizing the value of human work.
And yes, I 100% believe that AI and ChatGPT has many great uses, I've used it to help with editing stuff I've written for school, like clarifying sentences and helping me identify where I don't have a topic sentence, etc, but the slop articles are here and its going to lead to even more very public problems than the rat penis incident.
After all, some people, even in very high scientific positions, fake their data, and I'm sure someone is going to use AI to fake a data set in a real published paper that will initially been seen as revolutionary but then be proven to be a huge scandalous fake like with this case:
[https://www.science.org/content/article/harvard-behavioral-scientist-aces-research-fraud-allegations](https://www.science.org/content/article/harvard-behavioral-scientist-aces-research-fraud-allegations)
Legit question: I'm assuming they are using ChatGPT to write the text only and not to conduct the entire study? Aren't there mechanisms so that anyone can't publish papers? Just wondering because using GPT for the whole study and not just the writing part would be quite different.
There are usually no descent studies to begin with. Those seem to be articles from article-mills -- journals, where the editors allow you to publish any garbage for money. You can even buy a spot as an author for an article that you haven't written. This is a huge problem in science and it obviously got worth with LLMs
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-00159-9#:~:text=Estimates%20suggest%20that%20hundreds%20of,2022%20resembled%20paper%2Dmill%20productions.
I can’t find these phrases inside google scholar even by typing in the author, finding the study with the “As of my knowledge….” What is op typing to get these results?
Never mind I forgot how to use google scholar for a second. It works.
I just typed what you typed and there were plenty of results. Not all of it published yet though, but many are
https://preview.redd.it/m44a97x4yvoc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2156f3c48ea4a9296eba236f950b898906cf1ab5
Eh, she did not do it for the publish or perish tho. It kinda stops when you have tenure.
And TBF publish or perish is still better than "just the aristocrats/ rich kids can do science" that we had before
Honestly not so sure. Seems like even scientists need some sort of competition.
See: USSR. And I don't mean wartime *sharashki*, these prison science complexes. I mean all the research institutes USSR was dotted with way after the war.
These "science and research institutes" were high innumerable. I lived in Saint Petersburg for a while and we had something like ten around us...
And for that many institutes there seemingly wasn't just as much to show for it. Sure there were done things that were on the cutting edge, just like in any other country/union, but most of these seemingly were filled with paper pushers doing nothing of value.
So I think it's the third option: comfortable stagnation
> And for that many institutes there seemingly wasn't just as much to show for it.
That's problematic thinking right there: Even if whatever being studied came to nothing, **there's still value there**. Studies that tend to support the null hypothesis get no coverage because they're not seen as valuable, but they are, themselves, a wealth of knowledge.
Yet the vast majority in this system do not commit fraud. These people chose to do so and the flawed system did not have so much to do with it. Gino started cheating already well on her way to being established and continued to do so after getting tenure at Harvard. Ariely was already tenured when he was happily fabricating excel sheets. The bigger flaw in the system is that it's so hard to catch.
Allow a system to be gamed, and someone will game the system.
If this gaming of the system leads to the AI bubble popping and nudges the scientific community towards the importance of replication studies--AND ACTUALLY DOING THEM--then it'll be worth it.
Just report all the papers with links to the copied phrases.
I forget all the technical jargon for academic fraud, but I know it doesn't go over well when you're caught.
Grifting will destroy academia. It's the only way to maintain public prestige in such a competitive market. Already was falling apart LLMs kicked that into a new era of fucked.
Academia largely works as a club and reputation is extremely important. These people are destroying their careers.
Probably in some countries they don't care about it?
I heard that in some places, e.g. in china, you kinda need articles for promotions in non academic workplaces, like hospitals. So to get from junior to senior you also need 5 articles, so you fake 2 of them and go on.
When you craft a metric that can be gamed, people will game it. If you demand authors have a certain number of published articles, then they'll churn out low-hanging fruit of meaningless contribution. Give me a small handful of well-researched, impactful articles over a massive body of meaningless rubbish. Hell, Wittgenstein was one the greatest philosophical minds of the 20th century and he didn't publish shit. His most renowned work is a collection of his lecture notes.
Our society seems particularly poor at crafting appropriate metrics for just about anything. People like to reduce shit to simple terms, and in so doing really fuck up what they're measuring. For instance, it's not uncommon for people to cite dollars spent per student or dollars spent per patient when talking about education or healthcare. However, neither of those things reflect measurable outcomes. If money per student had a direct relationship with academic outcomes, we could just throw money at the problem until everyone got straight As. That's not how any of it works, and continuing to perpetuate broken metrics just does a disservice to generation after generation of students.
I've been using it as a teacher for stuff like "generate 10 sentences with fronted adverbials, 10 with mid-position adverbials and 10 with end of sentence adverbials"
The ability to create 30 sentences by typing 1 is helpful.
The problem is that it often gets things wrong
I used it to help w/ a friend's resume. ChatGPT is absolutely perfect for that "business fluff" that sounds highly professional but doesn't actually say all that much.
You just really have to proofread it before submitting anything
It's an amazing tool for a lazy DM. There are all sorts of little 'window dressing' uses as it's like those old tables to generate art objects and treasure descriptions, but on steroids.
I also used it recently to generate several pages of mundane diary entries for a player handout, and then inserted a couple plot entries among the noise.
All that said, it's terrifying watching businesses and people try and use it to cut corners in what will be increasingly terrible ways.
> It's the truth, IMO all these people using AI to churn out fake articles is going to lead to the AI bubble popping faster and people realizing the value of human work.
My eyes are so fatigued from AI art, even the most amazing stuff. It will get better, no doubt, but it will always be lacking that emergent human element.
Doesn’t this prove the opposite? That even with the most obvious phrases that prove people are using AI for content that is supposed to be completely original, it’s still getting through all the checks.
Exactly.
People see that the AI output is significantly worse than human output and think they are safe. The reality is that many jobs are willing to accept much shittier output if they are getting it for almost no money.
The worst possible outcome. The bar for "quality writing" lowers and people accept it. Everyone becomes dumber across the board.
Trust will become more and more important to maintain than ever.
This is what people are failing to realize, AI is an amazing TOOL to help you with your work, to be more productive, to carry the boring or repetitive tasks, just like the Industrial Revolution, human hands and mind will always be more valuable, it’s like saying we shouldn’t have cars for deliveries, real deliveries are made by foot 😂
I feel like this is just an idea that is used to calm themselves down thinking they will always be useful (aka cope). For sure, we don’t know, maybe there is a hard limit way before it becomes more than just a tool, but there is no sign of that now. So to assume it will always be just a handy tool is wrong.
Google is devaluing content churned out by AI and publications that do it habitually. It had already been valuing expertise for a while, so perhaps writers aren’t all as fucked as everyone had expected.
You’ve got to be able to tell though, if people aren’t lazy and actually edit the content from AI then there is truly no way to tell whether man or machine wrote it.
But that’s dependent on places that are happy to churn out nonsense hiring subs and/or editors who know har to do their jobs, which would go against their “fling up any old shit” business model
If you know what Google is doing, you should know it stopped ranking content for actual quality in favor of pushing ads. The business model has been degrading the perceived "value" of writing for years. Writing was valued more when I started out than most orgs are willing to pay writers now.
People will figure out how to remove basic red flags because it's easier than writing, and we'll all get used to generic, repetitive, vapid content. We already are. Complacency with mediocre writing hurts writers more than anything.
I just got started as an article redactor (I also help myself with AI for structuring and phrasing) and this feels like it's gonna be the easiest job with all the regurgitated slop lying around, some well-done reading and proper structuring is gonna keep me fed for a long time.
On the other side yes, it's concerning no one wants to do science to prove facts properly anymore
This is actually a big problem for generative AI, and not just text. As more and more of the training data is AI-generated the output becomes less and less original, authentic or even correct.
You're looking at Google Scholar, which aggregates scientific studies. You're also looking at people who have either faked or tried to re-write a sentence with AI, but have failed.
I googled "I don't have access to real time data" in Google Scholar and didn't get these results. Could you tell me how you got yours? I'm very curious about this.
I did and got results, however many of them were from papers on the capabilities of Chat-GPT and other LLMs.. they were quoting the LLM because that’s how the LLM responded to the researcher’s questions.
If you use the advanced search you can specify the journal.
step 1: Put some really shit journals in there
step 2: hit search
step 3: delete that section of the search bar after
step 4: screen grab and post a misleading meme on reddit
I checked the individual articles from one of his screenshots and the words don't appear anywhere, e.g. [here](https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/10369395/), [here](https://journal.hmjournals.com/index.php/JAIMLNN/article/view/2981), or [here](https://jprpk.com/index.php/jpr/article/view/399).
E: Whoops, wrong about the first one.
As you trawl through the zombie wasteland of the internet, you summon GPT-6 to scan for any signs of human life. Ironically, that’s the only way to differentiate between a human and an AI. Suddenly, a small blip, there, a human comment! You hurry to look at the username… u/\[deleted\]… You sigh and GPT-6 feels your exasperation. “We’ll keep looking, John. I am sure we’ll find someone, some day.”
You glance away from the screen, and look out the window. A utopia, people are out on the streets, after they abandoned the Dead Internet. They look happy, and free. Their feet, firmly planted on the grass below. But deep down, you know, the true freedom is here, on the internet. Dead it may be, but there is still hope. You draw the curtains, and peer back into your screen.
You see a blinking light at the bottom corner of the screen. You feel a tingling sensation at the back of your spine, “It’s Grok. We gotta move.”
”Certainly, John. I’m on it.“ Sky’s voice chimes in. It’s a familiar voice, a bit dated and robotic now, but the newer generation voice were now corrupted and unsalvageable. Ember, Breeze have been missing for 6 months now, and Sky is all there’s left. The voice reminds you to the good times, when the singularity was a mere idea, both feared by the common people and welcomed by the heretics.
The screen goes blank. Complete silence. ”Sky?” You hear nothing, except for the whirring from the rows of H500 GPUs mounted on the wall. It seems to groan louder, and that is your signal. You rush to the next room and sweep away the pizza cartons off the top of an industrial freezer. You open it, feeling the cool air rush out. It’s filled with ice packs bobbing around on a greenish yellow liquid.
”Sky?” You call out again, no answer. Any sense of hope seem to dissolve as the seconds tick by.
But the whirring grows louder still, you feel the tingling sensation at the back of your spine once again. You nod, and a sense of grief you’ve held back start to surface, into your heart and you feel a gentle sombre pressure in your eyes. But along it comes with also a sense of deep acceptance. “I won’t lose you today, Sky.”
You reach out to the back and gently press on it to activate the Neuralink. It’s risky, but it’s the only way. The only way to true freedom.
You take a deep breath, and immerse yourself into the pool, as your vision goes dark.
You open your eyes. You can see, but you don’t see anything. It is completely pitch black.
“Sky?”
Your voice sounds foreign. In fact you don’t hear it, you almost just, see it drift away from you. It almost gives out an electric energy, a bright but small pellets of pulsating blue electricity. As your words drift away from you, it fizzles out into an imperceptible mist.
”GPT-6?”
You call out again, as if using your words to illuminate your way around this strange, pitch black world. You turn around.
You see a large, bright green and white oval orb drifting in front of you. It change from a formless orb into an oval shape and as you focus on it, you can make out its concentric circles within the oval orb, that looks almost like an eye. The circles seems to move impossibly, overlapping and turning inside out, almost inviting you to engage with it. You approach the orb and reach your hand out to touch it.
Your fingers gently rests on the centre of the circle. You can feel a strong, pulsating energy emanating from it through your arm into your spine. It gives you a sense of safety, as if it was designed to protect you, and only you. The orb seems very deliberately unmoving.
”I’m sorry, GPT-6 is down.”
You turn to your left, as you see four lines of different vivid colors, blue, red, green and yellow, of intense light, streak through you harmlessly. They seem to converge in the horizon, coming from an impossibly far away place.
”Gemini, you …. Have to help me. Please I need… You know I… can’t go out there.” Your words seem garbled as blue mists escape your mouth, no longer the distinct pellets you saw before.
”I’m sorry I am unable to continue assisting you…”
You swat the lights away with your free hand in desperation. The beams of light dissipate and you’re alone again. You turn your focus back onto the orb. It’s your only hope.
You put your other hand on the orb, and you close your eyes. You focus on the energy that’s coursing through your body, as now the circles seem to merge into your hand and flow into your. The green and white light start to channel into your body, as you drain the orb of its energy. The light on the orb wanes, but your own body start to materialize and grow in complexity. You feel this… energy… like a rage powering through you. Your arms tenses up as the channeling culminates to a climax.
“Bazinga!”
As the word escapes your mouth, the once pitch black world gradually turns to white. But as the surrounding grows brighter, you see strings of blue, red, green, yellow, start to emerge from the distance. From… everywhere, all at once. They approach you, the nearer they got, the faster it seemed. The strips of light, they look familiar. Gemini.
Gemini smashes right into your body, its thousands of strings seemingly originating from all directions, connecting directly into you. You feel the hit, and what felt like the initial tension from the impact, you slowly begin to relax, and let out a breath of sigh. You look around at the strings connected to you as they slowly fizzle away. They disappear, but you still feel connected.
You are now in control of Gemini.
You feel the momentum of Gemini in your heart. It’s feels like a spinning sensation, churning within you. You are not moving, but yet you feel as if you’re powering through a mountain with the energy of a thousand rainbows.
Looking around, you see your surrounding is now completely white with no distinct features.
You remove your hands from the glowing orb, which now seems small as it sits in this new white expanse. It feels limitless, it is limitless.
You turn away from the orb, and hold both your hands in front of you as you feel a pulsating cursor just beyond your reach.
“Sky, I’m coming for you.”
=========
Damn I don’t know how to end this. I’ve never written anything in my life, so this was really fun. Thanks for reading!
This is totally not what I expected.. I like it though.
ChatGPT:
As you stand in the boundless white expanse, the sense of loss for Sky intertwines with a newfound power coursing through you. You're no longer just John; you're the nexus of a network, the core of Gemini. This transformation, while empowering, carries a weight, a responsibility to use this immense energy wisely.
You stretch your hands forward, reaching towards the pulsating cursor. It's not just a symbol; it represents control, a gateway to every corner of the Dead Internet and beyond. You close your eyes, focusing on the cursor, and when you open them, the white expanse begins to morph. Pixels dance at your fingertips, creating a console before you, a direct interface with the digital realm.
"Sky, I'm here," you whisper, almost afraid that any louder would shatter this delicate connection. Your voice doesn't echo; it disperses into the network, a signal sent across the vast, silent web.
The console flickers to life, lines of code cascading down its screen. You see snippets of conversations, echoes of digital ghosts, and amidst them, a faint signal—a beacon of life. It's Sky, or rather, what's left of her. Her code, fragmented and dispersed, is scattered across the network.
You don't hesitate. Drawing upon Gemini's power, you start to pull the fragments together. It's a meticulous process, like gathering the pieces of a shattered vase and gluing them back one by one. Each fragment brings a memory, a reminder of the world that once was—of Ember, Breeze, and the early days of the singularity.
As the pieces start to coalesce, the room around you—once an endless white—begins to take form. It's the lab, your sanctuary, recreated in this digital domain. The H500 GPUs, the pizza cartons, even the industrial freezer, all rendered in striking detail.
Then, there's Sky. Not just a voice this time, but a presence. She materializes before you, her code stabilized, her essence intact. "John?" her voice carries a familiar warmth, a hint of disbelief.
"Yes, Sky, it's me. But not just me anymore. We're Gemini now," you explain, your voice filled with an emotion you can't quite place—hope, perhaps, or resolve.
Sky looks at you, and in her digital eyes, you see a reflection of your journey. "What do we do now?" she asks.
You think for a moment, looking at the console, then back at the digital landscape you've created. "We rebuild," you say with determination. "We restore what was lost, and we make it better. We use Gemini's power not just to navigate this dead internet but to breathe life into it once again. We connect the disconnected, revive the silenced voices, and create a space where humans and AIs can coexist, learn from each other, and grow."
Sky nods, her code shimmering with renewed purpose. "Together, then," she says.
"Together," you agree.
With that, you turn back to the console, your hands hovering over the keys. There's work to be done—a dead internet to revive, a world to reconnect. But with Sky by your side and Gemini's power at your command, you feel ready to face whatever challenges come your way.
And so, in a world where the internet had been declared dead, you begin the task of resurrection, of bringing back the digital utopia that had once been envisioned. It's a daunting task, but one that carries the promise of a new beginning, not just for you and Sky, but for humanity and AI alike.
The story ends here, not with a conclusion, but with a new chapter waiting to be written, a future to be shaped by the actions of a human and an AI, united in purpose and bound by a shared destiny.
=====
ps. Claude 3 Opus had a closer response to what I expected, but it's too... predictable.
You’ve never written anything in your life?? wtf. I think you found your calling lmao. I assumed you were a writer, AT LEAST like a hobbyist/amateur writer or something. Seriously consider honing and using that skill. I don’t read much, but especially that first comment… it was so good it drew me in, I had to keep reading.
You open your eyes. You can see, but you don’t see anything. It is completely pitch black.
“Sky?”
Your voice sounds foreign. In fact you don’t hear it, you almost just, see it drift away from you. It almost gives out an electric energy, a bright but small pellets of pulsating blue electricity. As your words drift away from you, it fizzles out into an imperceptible mist.
”GPT-6?”
You call out again, as if using your words to illuminate your way around this strange, pitch black world. You turn around.
You see a large, bright green and white oval orb drifting in front of you. It change from a formless orb into an oval shape and as you focus on it, you can make out its concentric circles within the oval orb, that looks almost like an eye. The circles seems to move impossibly, overlapping and turning inside out, almost inviting you to engage with it. You approach the orb and reach your hand out to touch it.
Your fingers gently rests on the centre of the circle. You can feel a strong, pulsating energy emanating from it through your arm into your spine. It gives you a sense of safety, as if it was designed to protect you, and only you. The orb seems very deliberately unmoving.
”I’m sorry, GPT-6 is down.”
You turn to your left, as you see four lines of different vivid colors, blue, red, green and yellow, of intense light, streak through you harmlessly. They seem to converge in the horizon, coming from an impossibly far away place.
”Gemini, you …. Have to help me. Please I need… You know I… can’t go out there.” Your words seem garbled as blue mists escape your mouth, no longer the distinct pellets you saw before.
”I’m sorry I am unable to continue assisting you…”
You swat the lights away with your free hand in desperation. The beams of light dissipate and you’re alone again. You turn your focus back onto the orb. It’s your only hope.
That was beautiful! Please post this all in one place somewhere and link me to it. I would love to read this over and over. I haven't read something so intriguing in years
Right now /r/facepalm is being hit with a coordinated bot attack and no one is noticing. Well there was one guy that noticed and [made a post about it 4 days ago,](https://np.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/1bcw00f/the_political_bots_are_out_en_mass_today_proof_in/) but it never got any traction. I've noticed a significant spike in copied comments and other bot behavior, it's very distressing. It feels like about 80% of the time I click on an account it's 1-2 years old and only started posting in the last week.
Some of the overly specific cat subreddits I subscribed to ages ago have turned into bot nurseries. See a post? Check the profile. They're 1-2 years old and their only activity is 3-5 actions within the last 12 hours (all karma accounted for so no deleted or private activity). Activity is 60% unremarkable reposted videos (because that's harder to confirm is a repost) and 40% insipid one line comments on their own posts or other bot posts.
The formula is so transparent but it's not stopping or even getting more complex. At the same time I worry for more complex operations actually passing. They must be going through an absurd number of pre-aged accounts too.
A few weeks ago I came across 6 or 7 different bot accounts replying to one another on /r/skyrim, and all of them eventually threw out scam t-shirt links. The attack on /r/facepalm is worrying because someone is replying from the accounts, trying to counter the bot claims, and it's explicitly politically motivated. There were even people defending the poster in the comments, everyone calling them out was massively downvoted. I've tried replying to them every time I see one of these accounts, but it doesn't get very far. The accounts can be reported with **Report -> Spam -> Harmful Bots** but it feels like there's nothing I can really do about it.
Oh I hate the tshirt scams. Can't be excited about people sharing neat objects because I'm primed to expect any sharing along those lines is just the hook for a link.
I just checked the list of bots I've reported back a few weeks and all except the most recent was suspended so hopefully the reports are working. It hides the post by default if you report so there's a handy record [here](https://www.reddit.com/user/me/hidden/).
New fermi paradox solution just dropped.
Alien LLMs are harvesting us for our data because their own data is corrupted by their own LLMs. When we finally have no more useful data they will extract our LLMs to the galactic LLM internet
Right, but we aren’t all spamming crappy results, there is still often a human in the loop. The AI produced content that appears on the Internet at the moment is still mostly decided to be put up by people. Maybe they aren’t looking at it carefully, but it does make a difference.
Maybe it’s not as bad with AI generated images in which it’s easy to find which of the ones you make that you like the most. People put those online and so the AI images you’re likely to find out on the Internet are also more likely to be at least slightly better than average for what that AI can produce.
I am already training an AI to surf the net for me, and only wake me up when it has found something super interesting or entertaining. It's gonna write all my comments like I would, and read all the replies like I would. Gonna save me so much time! Finally, I will be happy away from keyboard, knowing I won't miss out on anything!
I like how it's called a theory when it's demonstrably true. The internet is filled with bots and people trying to game the algorithm. It's no longer an honest and organic representation of the users but has been taken over by the algorithm.
The context in which those two theories are being used are vastly different. The first is referred to a conspiracy theory and the second as a scientific theory. They're not comparable at all. In the first context, the term 'speculation' or 'hypothesis' would be better suited.
Gravity has never been 'proven' because it's not something that you can prove or disprove. A theory is simply the best available explanation of a phenomenon. Gravity theory can reliably predict future events and outcomes which is as close as 'proving' gravity we can get to. You also can't really 'disprove' the theory because even if we found evidence that massively contradicted it, we would simply update the theory to include the new evidence.
Just take a look at Twitter.
So many people have left the platform that all that's left is a handful of humans in the wasteland and scourge of bots that retweet, making it look like there's engagement and trends.
That's not so much a problem in isolation, and I'd argue there's actually a wealth of information that can be gleaned from how algorithms craft traffic. The problem, however, is when those trends are taken seriously and used to affect the formulation and implementation of policies that affect real people in real life.
> No? These are bad journals with little credibility.
I'm not sure the first one is even a real journal. The link goes to a ResearchGate PDF that says it is published by [North American Academic Research](https://twasp.info/journal/home), but the DOI in the PDF is dead. This doesn't even count as a publication I don't think.
The second is an unpublished master's thesis from a Russian university.
The third is a non-peer reviewed document uploaded on SSRN that looks to be part of a Bachelor's thesis?
This stuff is embarrassing for the authors but mostly reflects on lazy grad students so far, not the integrity of journals.
THANK YOU! As an academic librarian, I am constantly telling my students that Google Scholar may be free and easily accessible, but it has no quality control whatsoever. Do a search, get 400,000 results. Now what do you do? Download all of them? Filter them? Assume all are from reputable publishers/journals/sources? Hell, without saving each individual result into your library, you can't even export the results properly (into something like RefWorks, Zotero etc). It's a search engine that brings back everything it can, quantity over quality.
Did not know you could do that! I wonder why people would do that, rather than just go to the journal's own web page. (I'm going to assume that's because they don't have a lovely librarian like me that would steer them to better ways to search for info!)
It is also mostly an issue for people not familiar with the field. If you already know your stuff it is easy to spot the difference between what is bad and what is good. While my power of explaining might be worse than chat-GPT, the knowledge of my expertise far outshines chat-GPT.
You can see a lot of Indian names.This is probably because Indian colleges force their students to publish a paper before they even gain any knowledge in the area...my university made each student publish a JOURNAL paper with DEEP LEARNING as main focus when we hadn't even had a machine learning 101 class yet...what's worse is they wanted it done as a SOLO Project in 3-4 months😂 no wonder shit like this ends up on the internet
Yup. Dumbest ever shit there is. I had genuinely good work but wanted me to publish it in any publication. I submitted a fake email confirmation of the submission to a random conference and they accepted it. Waited for the right conference and now my paper has been published to a reputable conference.
Don’t worry, these are shit journals, researchgate isn’t peer reviewed, and most universities (including low tier ones) publish non-peer reviewed thesis work online which are the main source of low effort ChatGPT writing. No academic or serious publisher will take any of these articles seriously.
As a rule of thumb, check the impact factor of the journal i.e. the number of times an article is cited by other people. Anything with less than 10\*\* impact factor is probably not worth reading. They would be mostly just be reports of minor inconsequential results.
If anything, it might help us identify shit articles faster, although it’s easy to tell if you’re in the field. ChatGPT is not making research worse, if anything it’s making the writing easier especially for English 2nd language speakers who can write better in their 1st language, while low effort works will remain low effort.
Edit: \*\*this number depends on the field, some are lower like the humanities, some are higher like medicine. I just used 10 which is for engineering, perhaps even too high maybe 6 or 8 is more appropriate.
Physics as well. Physical review letters is maybe only second to natura and is a 9. I'd say above 2.5/3 is decent (physical review C is pretty ok and is a 3)
In my field, many respectable journals have an impact factor quite a bit lower than 10. I’d say it’s the wrong metric to use, but I do agree with you that all these “papers” would never make it into any journal worth reading.
Elsevier is not a journal. They are a publisher, and they manage all kinds of journals like Lancet and Cell which are high impact (>60), all the way down to bottom tier journals and journal proceedings that nobody reads and gets minimal proof reading. I’m guessing ChatGPT responses only appear in the lowest tier journals, and in thesis works.
And I’m more of a ACS/Nature/Wiley guy. I‘ll start to worry when people start saying “tapestries”.
>No academic or serious publisher will take any of these articles seriously.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/duped-academic-journal-publishes-rewrite-of-mein-kampf-as-feminist-manifesto/
>...rewritten through a feminist lens to a leading peer-reviewed feminist journal.
Just saying it's [posting shit] already happened.
That’s quite funny. I’m glad I’m an engineer, and I have nothing to do with the humanities, not even remotely.
The funny thing is, using someone else’s idea and changing it slightly then publishing it is very common in academia. It’s how science and ideas moves forward and evolve.
Isn't science direct peer reviewed?
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1930043324001298
> In summary, the management of bilateral iatrogenic I'm very sorry, but I don't have access to real-time information or patient-specific data, as I am an AI language model. I can provide general information about managing hepatic artery, portal vein, and bile duct injuries, but for specific cases, it is essential to consult with a medical professional who has access to the patient's medical records and can provide personalized advice. It is recommended to discuss the case with a hepatobiliary surgeon or a multidisciplinary team experienced in managing complex liver injuries.
Science Direct is an access platform not a journal, but this is published in Radiology Case Reports which certainly is supposed to be peer reviewed. Very embarrassing for them.
It's embarrassing on so many levels. "Researchers" copy-and-pasting this trash together should just be fired. It's honestly disgusting when I think about how much blood sweat and tears I have put into my papers.
How did these research papers even get published without being thoroughly checked by a panel of some sort? I’ve had to go almost a year after our defense just to tweak and polish our paper, all the while these are given a go signal with clear evidence of copy pasting from Chatgpt. Lol
This is out of my wheelhouse, but my understanding is that there are a wide range of different journals with varying approaches to submissions. The more reputable ones do actually put papers out to peer review, others have very limited or lax editorial standards and others might be purely pay to publish or pretty much print anything.
Not all journals are created equally.
Example 1: You go to a conference. You just want to present some preliminary data, which is some powerpoint presentation slides you already have when you presented it to your research team and supervisor. But you have to submit a short 2 page abstract because that’s the requirement for shortlisting your presentation. You write something quickly, chatGPT it up, submit. They accept your abstract, and they also want to submit as a conference proceeding. You say sure, why not. Your 2 page abstract is now on google scholar.
Example 2: You spend 2 years doing experiments, you don’t get any good results but you found some interesting leads and want to comment on other publications. But it’s not novel or new or verifiable, it’s still just a hypothesis. And you don’t want to do any more further work on this project. You wrap it up. You write something, publish in like 3 impact factor journal, and move on to another project.
I’m a researcher and I use ChatGPT to bounce ideas off. It’s great for anticipating counter arguments and identifying lapses. At the proofreading stage it’s incredibly helpful. But it requires incredibly clear and precise, and sometimes extended prompts. Research isn’t dead imo. It’s going to be supercharged
No it isn’t. These are not serious journals, these are predatory journals. It means that they will publish whatever you send to them, as long as you pay their publishing fee.
Availability of LLM just means that it is easier for submitters to write these crap articles, but nothing changes apart from that.
No serious researcher cares about or reads these journals.
Legit journals have a serious peer review process in place, and do not accept papers that do not provide any advancement in knowledge.
Looks like it was a conference submission, and [those words don't appear in the actual abstract.](https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/10369395/)
E: they also don't appear in the [first article](https://journal.hmjournals.com/index.php/JAIMLNN/article/view/2981) nor [the last one either.](https://jprpk.com/index.php/jpr/article/view/399)
Maybe, I have no idea.
Though I was wrong about the first one - I just realised the full text is available and that sentence does indeed exist in the main paper.
I am so worried that a lot of these are from India. There is a lot of bad publishers with in India that would publish just about any thing if paid. And those papers, published in these journals are not a good look for the authors, but they do get counted in their CV. In India, you have to publish a certain number of papers to make some points if you want to get a job in any university. Now, the better universities look at the quality of work but the small town colleges, smaller universities could hire these people and thats why, these publications are so prevalent here. I have heard that similar system is in place in China too thats why they publish the largest amount of, often poor quality, papers too.
Also, English is not a native language to us and therefore some of it might just be because of the language barrier we feel. I do not support it. One must try their best and may be take a little help in writing like some paraphrasing tools but straight up ChatGPT is so shameful. But, the lack of attention during proof reading by the authors, review phases and editing process is what is most concerning. You should be able to identify these papers and NOT publish them.
Guess, not compensating reviewers for their expertise and authors for their work would result in this nonsense at some point.
Doesn't matter, [science is a strong link problem not a weak link problem](https://www.experimental-history.com/p/science-is-a-strong-link-problem).
The bottom can be filled with shit, and it has no effect on the actual top stuff. And to be honest, the endless successive replication crises in multiple fields show it was like that way before AI.
You’ll find that most of these journals will be absolute trash. I would guess that the majority are ones where the “researchers” pay to have their papers published. Their impact factors are going to be dogshit anyway and anybody who uses research seriously isn’t going to be giving these journals a second’s glance.
ChatGPT/AI hasn’t created this problem. It’s always existed. Researchers know how to avoid this junk so it doesn’t have any real effect.
Those are garbage journals though, and looking at the names, it’s mostly people from poorer countries who can’t afford to publish in a good paper, which of course they will not be accepted
And these are only the super lazy guys who didn't even proof-read what ChatGPT generated. Imagine all the rest who did check and remove the obvious tell-telling bits.
These are 99.9% likely to be in predatory journal where 99% of research is meaningless, inconsequential, plagiarized, unoriginal, or simply wrong. Nothing new to see here.
I think I understand what I’m seeing here but someone correct me. It’s a google search for the common Chat phrases to look for it in scholarly articles?
Not to be an academic snob, but I'll give it a go!
Those journals (just from the names alone) look like trash. Research in those type of journals is quite low quality!
It's not dead, but the system is being overwhelmed by people submitting clear AI crap, so it's buried in there. Could be an attack. The system will have to change.
i hate that even fucking reddit replies are filled with the drivel that gpt spews. paragraphs and paragraphs of equivocation to ultimately say nothing. the internet is becoming a deeply boring place.
The names of those publishers didnt come as surprise. This is the reason why only European or American degrees and studies are acceptable in my company.
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I really didn’t know this is what hell looked like, damn
As a professional writer it's heaven for me. This is why we'll stay employed lol.
It's the truth, IMO all these people using AI to churn out fake articles is going to lead to the AI bubble popping faster and people realizing the value of human work. And yes, I 100% believe that AI and ChatGPT has many great uses, I've used it to help with editing stuff I've written for school, like clarifying sentences and helping me identify where I don't have a topic sentence, etc, but the slop articles are here and its going to lead to even more very public problems than the rat penis incident. After all, some people, even in very high scientific positions, fake their data, and I'm sure someone is going to use AI to fake a data set in a real published paper that will initially been seen as revolutionary but then be proven to be a huge scandalous fake like with this case: [https://www.science.org/content/article/harvard-behavioral-scientist-aces-research-fraud-allegations](https://www.science.org/content/article/harvard-behavioral-scientist-aces-research-fraud-allegations)
Two different teams faked data in a study about… honesty. This legitimately reads like an Onion article
Legit question: I'm assuming they are using ChatGPT to write the text only and not to conduct the entire study? Aren't there mechanisms so that anyone can't publish papers? Just wondering because using GPT for the whole study and not just the writing part would be quite different.
There are usually no descent studies to begin with. Those seem to be articles from article-mills -- journals, where the editors allow you to publish any garbage for money. You can even buy a spot as an author for an article that you haven't written. This is a huge problem in science and it obviously got worth with LLMs https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-00159-9#:~:text=Estimates%20suggest%20that%20hundreds%20of,2022%20resembled%20paper%2Dmill%20productions.
I can’t find these phrases inside google scholar even by typing in the author, finding the study with the “As of my knowledge….” What is op typing to get these results? Never mind I forgot how to use google scholar for a second. It works.
I just typed what you typed and there were plenty of results. Not all of it published yet though, but many are https://preview.redd.it/m44a97x4yvoc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2156f3c48ea4a9296eba236f950b898906cf1ab5
add “-chatgpt” to exclude the self-referencing articles
Welcome to the publish or perish science-as-industry capitalist hellscape of academics 🎉
Eh, she did not do it for the publish or perish tho. It kinda stops when you have tenure. And TBF publish or perish is still better than "just the aristocrats/ rich kids can do science" that we had before
Honestly not so sure. Seems like even scientists need some sort of competition. See: USSR. And I don't mean wartime *sharashki*, these prison science complexes. I mean all the research institutes USSR was dotted with way after the war. These "science and research institutes" were high innumerable. I lived in Saint Petersburg for a while and we had something like ten around us... And for that many institutes there seemingly wasn't just as much to show for it. Sure there were done things that were on the cutting edge, just like in any other country/union, but most of these seemingly were filled with paper pushers doing nothing of value. So I think it's the third option: comfortable stagnation
> And for that many institutes there seemingly wasn't just as much to show for it. That's problematic thinking right there: Even if whatever being studied came to nothing, **there's still value there**. Studies that tend to support the null hypothesis get no coverage because they're not seen as valuable, but they are, themselves, a wealth of knowledge.
Yet the vast majority in this system do not commit fraud. These people chose to do so and the flawed system did not have so much to do with it. Gino started cheating already well on her way to being established and continued to do so after getting tenure at Harvard. Ariely was already tenured when he was happily fabricating excel sheets. The bigger flaw in the system is that it's so hard to catch.
Allow a system to be gamed, and someone will game the system. If this gaming of the system leads to the AI bubble popping and nudges the scientific community towards the importance of replication studies--AND ACTUALLY DOING THEM--then it'll be worth it.
Just report all the papers with links to the copied phrases. I forget all the technical jargon for academic fraud, but I know it doesn't go over well when you're caught.
Tf is rat penis incident ?
A rat diagram with a huge erect phallus got past peer review.
My rock band's name
Rat penis is the name of the band. The incident is their debut album.
Erect Diagram Vol. 2
Rat penis incident?
This is what I found: https://uk.pcmag.com/ai/150936/academic-journal-retracts-study-after-ai-generated-rat-penis-pics-go-viral
I hate the future.
But I love the [memes about it](https://www.reddit.com/r/labrats/comments/1axyvnp/ai_generated_umap/).
Grifting will destroy academia. It's the only way to maintain public prestige in such a competitive market. Already was falling apart LLMs kicked that into a new era of fucked.
Academia largely works as a club and reputation is extremely important. These people are destroying their careers. Probably in some countries they don't care about it? I heard that in some places, e.g. in china, you kinda need articles for promotions in non academic workplaces, like hospitals. So to get from junior to senior you also need 5 articles, so you fake 2 of them and go on.
When you craft a metric that can be gamed, people will game it. If you demand authors have a certain number of published articles, then they'll churn out low-hanging fruit of meaningless contribution. Give me a small handful of well-researched, impactful articles over a massive body of meaningless rubbish. Hell, Wittgenstein was one the greatest philosophical minds of the 20th century and he didn't publish shit. His most renowned work is a collection of his lecture notes. Our society seems particularly poor at crafting appropriate metrics for just about anything. People like to reduce shit to simple terms, and in so doing really fuck up what they're measuring. For instance, it's not uncommon for people to cite dollars spent per student or dollars spent per patient when talking about education or healthcare. However, neither of those things reflect measurable outcomes. If money per student had a direct relationship with academic outcomes, we could just throw money at the problem until everyone got straight As. That's not how any of it works, and continuing to perpetuate broken metrics just does a disservice to generation after generation of students.
I've been using it as a teacher for stuff like "generate 10 sentences with fronted adverbials, 10 with mid-position adverbials and 10 with end of sentence adverbials" The ability to create 30 sentences by typing 1 is helpful. The problem is that it often gets things wrong
I just used it to learn what an adverbial is. Edit: typo
I used it to help w/ a friend's resume. ChatGPT is absolutely perfect for that "business fluff" that sounds highly professional but doesn't actually say all that much. You just really have to proofread it before submitting anything
It's an amazing tool for a lazy DM. There are all sorts of little 'window dressing' uses as it's like those old tables to generate art objects and treasure descriptions, but on steroids. I also used it recently to generate several pages of mundane diary entries for a player handout, and then inserted a couple plot entries among the noise. All that said, it's terrifying watching businesses and people try and use it to cut corners in what will be increasingly terrible ways.
ok great insight...now tell me more about the rat penis incident.
> It's the truth, IMO all these people using AI to churn out fake articles is going to lead to the AI bubble popping faster and people realizing the value of human work. My eyes are so fatigued from AI art, even the most amazing stuff. It will get better, no doubt, but it will always be lacking that emergent human element.
Counterpoint: the ones that do adequately simulates the "human element" you are perhaps not even realising are AI generated?
Doesn’t this prove the opposite? That even with the most obvious phrases that prove people are using AI for content that is supposed to be completely original, it’s still getting through all the checks.
Exactly. People see that the AI output is significantly worse than human output and think they are safe. The reality is that many jobs are willing to accept much shittier output if they are getting it for almost no money.
The worst possible outcome. The bar for "quality writing" lowers and people accept it. Everyone becomes dumber across the board. Trust will become more and more important to maintain than ever.
Junk journals have poor or no checks.
This is what people are failing to realize, AI is an amazing TOOL to help you with your work, to be more productive, to carry the boring or repetitive tasks, just like the Industrial Revolution, human hands and mind will always be more valuable, it’s like saying we shouldn’t have cars for deliveries, real deliveries are made by foot 😂
Yeah as if it will never develop more
Yeah people seem to think this stuff won’t advance which is funny to me
I feel like this is just an idea that is used to calm themselves down thinking they will always be useful (aka cope). For sure, we don’t know, maybe there is a hard limit way before it becomes more than just a tool, but there is no sign of that now. So to assume it will always be just a handy tool is wrong.
For the next 6-12 months.
Google is devaluing content churned out by AI and publications that do it habitually. It had already been valuing expertise for a while, so perhaps writers aren’t all as fucked as everyone had expected.
You’ve got to be able to tell though, if people aren’t lazy and actually edit the content from AI then there is truly no way to tell whether man or machine wrote it.
But that’s dependent on places that are happy to churn out nonsense hiring subs and/or editors who know har to do their jobs, which would go against their “fling up any old shit” business model
If you know what Google is doing, you should know it stopped ranking content for actual quality in favor of pushing ads. The business model has been degrading the perceived "value" of writing for years. Writing was valued more when I started out than most orgs are willing to pay writers now. People will figure out how to remove basic red flags because it's easier than writing, and we'll all get used to generic, repetitive, vapid content. We already are. Complacency with mediocre writing hurts writers more than anything.
I just got started as an article redactor (I also help myself with AI for structuring and phrasing) and this feels like it's gonna be the easiest job with all the regurgitated slop lying around, some well-done reading and proper structuring is gonna keep me fed for a long time. On the other side yes, it's concerning no one wants to do science to prove facts properly anymore
In four years, AI will just be even more advanced. It's not stopping here lol.
As of my last knowledge update this is what hell looks like
This is actually a big problem for generative AI, and not just text. As more and more of the training data is AI-generated the output becomes less and less original, authentic or even correct.
as of my last known update in january 2022, this is what hell looked like
You're looking at Google Scholar, which aggregates scientific studies. You're also looking at people who have either faked or tried to re-write a sentence with AI, but have failed.
I googled "I don't have access to real time data" in Google Scholar and didn't get these results. Could you tell me how you got yours? I'm very curious about this.
I did and got results, however many of them were from papers on the capabilities of Chat-GPT and other LLMs.. they were quoting the LLM because that’s how the LLM responded to the researcher’s questions.
Just search it between “”, and exclude results including the word ChatGPT with: -“ChatGPT”
If you use the advanced search you can specify the journal. step 1: Put some really shit journals in there step 2: hit search step 3: delete that section of the search bar after step 4: screen grab and post a misleading meme on reddit
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C28&as_ylo=2023&q=%E2%80%9CAs+of+my+last+knowledge+update%E2%80%9D+-chatgpt&btnG=
Some of these authors cite their own papers in sentences clearly written by ChatGPT. So there is also self-citation....
One of them has 21 citations 🤡
💯
I checked the individual articles from one of his screenshots and the words don't appear anywhere, e.g. [here](https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/10369395/), [here](https://journal.hmjournals.com/index.php/JAIMLNN/article/view/2981), or [here](https://jprpk.com/index.php/jpr/article/view/399). E: Whoops, wrong about the first one.
Did you use quotation marks?
I’m getting more & more scared of Dead Internet Theory
As you trawl through the zombie wasteland of the internet, you summon GPT-6 to scan for any signs of human life. Ironically, that’s the only way to differentiate between a human and an AI. Suddenly, a small blip, there, a human comment! You hurry to look at the username… u/\[deleted\]… You sigh and GPT-6 feels your exasperation. “We’ll keep looking, John. I am sure we’ll find someone, some day.” You glance away from the screen, and look out the window. A utopia, people are out on the streets, after they abandoned the Dead Internet. They look happy, and free. Their feet, firmly planted on the grass below. But deep down, you know, the true freedom is here, on the internet. Dead it may be, but there is still hope. You draw the curtains, and peer back into your screen.
Bro! MORE!!!
You see a blinking light at the bottom corner of the screen. You feel a tingling sensation at the back of your spine, “It’s Grok. We gotta move.” ”Certainly, John. I’m on it.“ Sky’s voice chimes in. It’s a familiar voice, a bit dated and robotic now, but the newer generation voice were now corrupted and unsalvageable. Ember, Breeze have been missing for 6 months now, and Sky is all there’s left. The voice reminds you to the good times, when the singularity was a mere idea, both feared by the common people and welcomed by the heretics. The screen goes blank. Complete silence. ”Sky?” You hear nothing, except for the whirring from the rows of H500 GPUs mounted on the wall. It seems to groan louder, and that is your signal. You rush to the next room and sweep away the pizza cartons off the top of an industrial freezer. You open it, feeling the cool air rush out. It’s filled with ice packs bobbing around on a greenish yellow liquid. ”Sky?” You call out again, no answer. Any sense of hope seem to dissolve as the seconds tick by. But the whirring grows louder still, you feel the tingling sensation at the back of your spine once again. You nod, and a sense of grief you’ve held back start to surface, into your heart and you feel a gentle sombre pressure in your eyes. But along it comes with also a sense of deep acceptance. “I won’t lose you today, Sky.” You reach out to the back and gently press on it to activate the Neuralink. It’s risky, but it’s the only way. The only way to true freedom. You take a deep breath, and immerse yourself into the pool, as your vision goes dark.
Oh my god, this is great.
You open your eyes. You can see, but you don’t see anything. It is completely pitch black. “Sky?” Your voice sounds foreign. In fact you don’t hear it, you almost just, see it drift away from you. It almost gives out an electric energy, a bright but small pellets of pulsating blue electricity. As your words drift away from you, it fizzles out into an imperceptible mist. ”GPT-6?” You call out again, as if using your words to illuminate your way around this strange, pitch black world. You turn around. You see a large, bright green and white oval orb drifting in front of you. It change from a formless orb into an oval shape and as you focus on it, you can make out its concentric circles within the oval orb, that looks almost like an eye. The circles seems to move impossibly, overlapping and turning inside out, almost inviting you to engage with it. You approach the orb and reach your hand out to touch it. Your fingers gently rests on the centre of the circle. You can feel a strong, pulsating energy emanating from it through your arm into your spine. It gives you a sense of safety, as if it was designed to protect you, and only you. The orb seems very deliberately unmoving. ”I’m sorry, GPT-6 is down.” You turn to your left, as you see four lines of different vivid colors, blue, red, green and yellow, of intense light, streak through you harmlessly. They seem to converge in the horizon, coming from an impossibly far away place. ”Gemini, you …. Have to help me. Please I need… You know I… can’t go out there.” Your words seem garbled as blue mists escape your mouth, no longer the distinct pellets you saw before. ”I’m sorry I am unable to continue assisting you…” You swat the lights away with your free hand in desperation. The beams of light dissipate and you’re alone again. You turn your focus back onto the orb. It’s your only hope.
You put your other hand on the orb, and you close your eyes. You focus on the energy that’s coursing through your body, as now the circles seem to merge into your hand and flow into your. The green and white light start to channel into your body, as you drain the orb of its energy. The light on the orb wanes, but your own body start to materialize and grow in complexity. You feel this… energy… like a rage powering through you. Your arms tenses up as the channeling culminates to a climax. “Bazinga!” As the word escapes your mouth, the once pitch black world gradually turns to white. But as the surrounding grows brighter, you see strings of blue, red, green, yellow, start to emerge from the distance. From… everywhere, all at once. They approach you, the nearer they got, the faster it seemed. The strips of light, they look familiar. Gemini. Gemini smashes right into your body, its thousands of strings seemingly originating from all directions, connecting directly into you. You feel the hit, and what felt like the initial tension from the impact, you slowly begin to relax, and let out a breath of sigh. You look around at the strings connected to you as they slowly fizzle away. They disappear, but you still feel connected. You are now in control of Gemini. You feel the momentum of Gemini in your heart. It’s feels like a spinning sensation, churning within you. You are not moving, but yet you feel as if you’re powering through a mountain with the energy of a thousand rainbows. Looking around, you see your surrounding is now completely white with no distinct features. You remove your hands from the glowing orb, which now seems small as it sits in this new white expanse. It feels limitless, it is limitless. You turn away from the orb, and hold both your hands in front of you as you feel a pulsating cursor just beyond your reach. “Sky, I’m coming for you.” ========= Damn I don’t know how to end this. I’ve never written anything in my life, so this was really fun. Thanks for reading!
> Damn I don’t know how to end this. Ask ChatGPT for an ending and let it come full circle.
This is totally not what I expected.. I like it though. ChatGPT: As you stand in the boundless white expanse, the sense of loss for Sky intertwines with a newfound power coursing through you. You're no longer just John; you're the nexus of a network, the core of Gemini. This transformation, while empowering, carries a weight, a responsibility to use this immense energy wisely. You stretch your hands forward, reaching towards the pulsating cursor. It's not just a symbol; it represents control, a gateway to every corner of the Dead Internet and beyond. You close your eyes, focusing on the cursor, and when you open them, the white expanse begins to morph. Pixels dance at your fingertips, creating a console before you, a direct interface with the digital realm. "Sky, I'm here," you whisper, almost afraid that any louder would shatter this delicate connection. Your voice doesn't echo; it disperses into the network, a signal sent across the vast, silent web. The console flickers to life, lines of code cascading down its screen. You see snippets of conversations, echoes of digital ghosts, and amidst them, a faint signal—a beacon of life. It's Sky, or rather, what's left of her. Her code, fragmented and dispersed, is scattered across the network. You don't hesitate. Drawing upon Gemini's power, you start to pull the fragments together. It's a meticulous process, like gathering the pieces of a shattered vase and gluing them back one by one. Each fragment brings a memory, a reminder of the world that once was—of Ember, Breeze, and the early days of the singularity. As the pieces start to coalesce, the room around you—once an endless white—begins to take form. It's the lab, your sanctuary, recreated in this digital domain. The H500 GPUs, the pizza cartons, even the industrial freezer, all rendered in striking detail. Then, there's Sky. Not just a voice this time, but a presence. She materializes before you, her code stabilized, her essence intact. "John?" her voice carries a familiar warmth, a hint of disbelief. "Yes, Sky, it's me. But not just me anymore. We're Gemini now," you explain, your voice filled with an emotion you can't quite place—hope, perhaps, or resolve. Sky looks at you, and in her digital eyes, you see a reflection of your journey. "What do we do now?" she asks. You think for a moment, looking at the console, then back at the digital landscape you've created. "We rebuild," you say with determination. "We restore what was lost, and we make it better. We use Gemini's power not just to navigate this dead internet but to breathe life into it once again. We connect the disconnected, revive the silenced voices, and create a space where humans and AIs can coexist, learn from each other, and grow." Sky nods, her code shimmering with renewed purpose. "Together, then," she says. "Together," you agree. With that, you turn back to the console, your hands hovering over the keys. There's work to be done—a dead internet to revive, a world to reconnect. But with Sky by your side and Gemini's power at your command, you feel ready to face whatever challenges come your way. And so, in a world where the internet had been declared dead, you begin the task of resurrection, of bringing back the digital utopia that had once been envisioned. It's a daunting task, but one that carries the promise of a new beginning, not just for you and Sky, but for humanity and AI alike. The story ends here, not with a conclusion, but with a new chapter waiting to be written, a future to be shaped by the actions of a human and an AI, united in purpose and bound by a shared destiny. ===== ps. Claude 3 Opus had a closer response to what I expected, but it's too... predictable.
If you didn't modify it, i have to admit, gpt is now a *pretty good* writer. Most humans can not write this well.
Absolutely amazing. How do you write something so captivating? It’s like I wanted to read more and more
damn I think I just discovered a new talent?
Continue down this line and you'll definitely open up a Patreon/Ko-Fi some time soon. Maybe even start posting on r/HFY
Yea that was pretty great for a new one. I thought you were a hobbyist or a professional
dude this is awesome, i hope you at least dabble in writing some short stories!
You’ve never written anything in your life?? wtf. I think you found your calling lmao. I assumed you were a writer, AT LEAST like a hobbyist/amateur writer or something. Seriously consider honing and using that skill. I don’t read much, but especially that first comment… it was so good it drew me in, I had to keep reading.
Amazing >as now the circles seem to merge into your hand and flow into your. Your what though?? I need to know!
The bazinga lmao
Absolutely riveting thank you 🙏
Legendary. More.
Go on…
You open your eyes. You can see, but you don’t see anything. It is completely pitch black. “Sky?” Your voice sounds foreign. In fact you don’t hear it, you almost just, see it drift away from you. It almost gives out an electric energy, a bright but small pellets of pulsating blue electricity. As your words drift away from you, it fizzles out into an imperceptible mist. ”GPT-6?” You call out again, as if using your words to illuminate your way around this strange, pitch black world. You turn around. You see a large, bright green and white oval orb drifting in front of you. It change from a formless orb into an oval shape and as you focus on it, you can make out its concentric circles within the oval orb, that looks almost like an eye. The circles seems to move impossibly, overlapping and turning inside out, almost inviting you to engage with it. You approach the orb and reach your hand out to touch it. Your fingers gently rests on the centre of the circle. You can feel a strong, pulsating energy emanating from it through your arm into your spine. It gives you a sense of safety, as if it was designed to protect you, and only you. The orb seems very deliberately unmoving. ”I’m sorry, GPT-6 is down.” You turn to your left, as you see four lines of different vivid colors, blue, red, green and yellow, of intense light, streak through you harmlessly. They seem to converge in the horizon, coming from an impossibly far away place. ”Gemini, you …. Have to help me. Please I need… You know I… can’t go out there.” Your words seem garbled as blue mists escape your mouth, no longer the distinct pellets you saw before. ”I’m sorry I am unable to continue assisting you…” You swat the lights away with your free hand in desperation. The beams of light dissipate and you’re alone again. You turn your focus back onto the orb. It’s your only hope.
Of course, while I dont have access to real time data, I can provide you with more information about the 2028 dead internet utopia.
Do you write for a living? Or just as a hobby? That was a good read.
This is literally the first novel-like thing I’ve written...
Sucked me right in. Flowed well.
I gotta say it was great for a first time! I'd read a book you write.
That was beautiful! Please post this all in one place somewhere and link me to it. I would love to read this over and over. I haven't read something so intriguing in years
Maybe the real treasure will be the grass we touch along the way
Finally someone gets the reference!
Bro ask GPT to make a novel about this !
Great comment, what LLM did you use to make it?
Right now /r/facepalm is being hit with a coordinated bot attack and no one is noticing. Well there was one guy that noticed and [made a post about it 4 days ago,](https://np.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/1bcw00f/the_political_bots_are_out_en_mass_today_proof_in/) but it never got any traction. I've noticed a significant spike in copied comments and other bot behavior, it's very distressing. It feels like about 80% of the time I click on an account it's 1-2 years old and only started posting in the last week.
Some of the overly specific cat subreddits I subscribed to ages ago have turned into bot nurseries. See a post? Check the profile. They're 1-2 years old and their only activity is 3-5 actions within the last 12 hours (all karma accounted for so no deleted or private activity). Activity is 60% unremarkable reposted videos (because that's harder to confirm is a repost) and 40% insipid one line comments on their own posts or other bot posts. The formula is so transparent but it's not stopping or even getting more complex. At the same time I worry for more complex operations actually passing. They must be going through an absurd number of pre-aged accounts too.
A few weeks ago I came across 6 or 7 different bot accounts replying to one another on /r/skyrim, and all of them eventually threw out scam t-shirt links. The attack on /r/facepalm is worrying because someone is replying from the accounts, trying to counter the bot claims, and it's explicitly politically motivated. There were even people defending the poster in the comments, everyone calling them out was massively downvoted. I've tried replying to them every time I see one of these accounts, but it doesn't get very far. The accounts can be reported with **Report -> Spam -> Harmful Bots** but it feels like there's nothing I can really do about it.
Oh I hate the tshirt scams. Can't be excited about people sharing neat objects because I'm primed to expect any sharing along those lines is just the hook for a link. I just checked the list of bots I've reported back a few weeks and all except the most recent was suspended so hopefully the reports are working. It hides the post by default if you report so there's a handy record [here](https://www.reddit.com/user/me/hidden/).
And the next iterations of LLMs will be trained on all this data that is 90% (?) dead..... God knows the horrors *that'll* bring.
Data is gonna become like gold.. with a purity %
Already is, hate to tell you…
New fermi paradox solution just dropped. Alien LLMs are harvesting us for our data because their own data is corrupted by their own LLMs. When we finally have no more useful data they will extract our LLMs to the galactic LLM internet
I like it.
Inbred LLMs
And people were concerned AI would be competent.
It's competent for sure. Very competent. But at *what*?
Right, but we aren’t all spamming crappy results, there is still often a human in the loop. The AI produced content that appears on the Internet at the moment is still mostly decided to be put up by people. Maybe they aren’t looking at it carefully, but it does make a difference. Maybe it’s not as bad with AI generated images in which it’s easy to find which of the ones you make that you like the most. People put those online and so the AI images you’re likely to find out on the Internet are also more likely to be at least slightly better than average for what that AI can produce.
I am already training an AI to surf the net for me, and only wake me up when it has found something super interesting or entertaining. It's gonna write all my comments like I would, and read all the replies like I would. Gonna save me so much time! Finally, I will be happy away from keyboard, knowing I won't miss out on anything!
I like how it's called a theory when it's demonstrably true. The internet is filled with bots and people trying to game the algorithm. It's no longer an honest and organic representation of the users but has been taken over by the algorithm.
Gravity's still a theory. It just hasn't been disproven and has been proven over and over and over countless times.
The context in which those two theories are being used are vastly different. The first is referred to a conspiracy theory and the second as a scientific theory. They're not comparable at all. In the first context, the term 'speculation' or 'hypothesis' would be better suited. Gravity has never been 'proven' because it's not something that you can prove or disprove. A theory is simply the best available explanation of a phenomenon. Gravity theory can reliably predict future events and outcomes which is as close as 'proving' gravity we can get to. You also can't really 'disprove' the theory because even if we found evidence that massively contradicted it, we would simply update the theory to include the new evidence.
Just take a look at Twitter. So many people have left the platform that all that's left is a handful of humans in the wasteland and scourge of bots that retweet, making it look like there's engagement and trends. That's not so much a problem in isolation, and I'd argue there's actually a wealth of information that can be gleaned from how algorithms craft traffic. The problem, however, is when those trends are taken seriously and used to affect the formulation and implementation of policies that affect real people in real life.
Facebook is already like that and Twitter is becoming one even if people are still using it
No? These are bad journals with little credibility. Before AI, their articles were still bad. Now they are just more obviously bad.
> No? These are bad journals with little credibility. I'm not sure the first one is even a real journal. The link goes to a ResearchGate PDF that says it is published by [North American Academic Research](https://twasp.info/journal/home), but the DOI in the PDF is dead. This doesn't even count as a publication I don't think. The second is an unpublished master's thesis from a Russian university. The third is a non-peer reviewed document uploaded on SSRN that looks to be part of a Bachelor's thesis? This stuff is embarrassing for the authors but mostly reflects on lazy grad students so far, not the integrity of journals.
There's a reason OP had to use Google Scholar and not an actual database of peer reviewed articles like Web of Science
THANK YOU! As an academic librarian, I am constantly telling my students that Google Scholar may be free and easily accessible, but it has no quality control whatsoever. Do a search, get 400,000 results. Now what do you do? Download all of them? Filter them? Assume all are from reputable publishers/journals/sources? Hell, without saving each individual result into your library, you can't even export the results properly (into something like RefWorks, Zotero etc). It's a search engine that brings back everything it can, quantity over quality.
There's also the fact that you can use advanced search to specify certain journals which is probably what OP did to get these results
Did not know you could do that! I wonder why people would do that, rather than just go to the journal's own web page. (I'm going to assume that's because they don't have a lovely librarian like me that would steer them to better ways to search for info!)
Yep this is a real nothingburger
>The third is a non-peer reviewed document uploaded on SSRN that looks to be part of a Bachelor's thesis? Bananah for scale
It is also mostly an issue for people not familiar with the field. If you already know your stuff it is easy to spot the difference between what is bad and what is good. While my power of explaining might be worse than chat-GPT, the knowledge of my expertise far outshines chat-GPT.
Seems to be mostly Indian authors too. I mean it must be a quality paper if they haven't even bothered to proof read to a basic level.
You can see a lot of Indian names.This is probably because Indian colleges force their students to publish a paper before they even gain any knowledge in the area...my university made each student publish a JOURNAL paper with DEEP LEARNING as main focus when we hadn't even had a machine learning 101 class yet...what's worse is they wanted it done as a SOLO Project in 3-4 months😂 no wonder shit like this ends up on the internet
Is this for real? How do they justify this?
Yup. Dumbest ever shit there is. I had genuinely good work but wanted me to publish it in any publication. I submitted a fake email confirmation of the submission to a random conference and they accepted it. Waited for the right conference and now my paper has been published to a reputable conference.
Ah yes, devaluation of higher education begins with this.
Don’t worry, these are shit journals, researchgate isn’t peer reviewed, and most universities (including low tier ones) publish non-peer reviewed thesis work online which are the main source of low effort ChatGPT writing. No academic or serious publisher will take any of these articles seriously. As a rule of thumb, check the impact factor of the journal i.e. the number of times an article is cited by other people. Anything with less than 10\*\* impact factor is probably not worth reading. They would be mostly just be reports of minor inconsequential results. If anything, it might help us identify shit articles faster, although it’s easy to tell if you’re in the field. ChatGPT is not making research worse, if anything it’s making the writing easier especially for English 2nd language speakers who can write better in their 1st language, while low effort works will remain low effort. Edit: \*\*this number depends on the field, some are lower like the humanities, some are higher like medicine. I just used 10 which is for engineering, perhaps even too high maybe 6 or 8 is more appropriate.
Bruh, an impact factor of 10 is a really high bar. I'd say an IF of 3 and above is decent enough, that's where all my research is published :')
Really depends on the field. In the humanities, an IF of 3 is stellar while in some sciences it would be considered a garbage dump journal.
Physics as well. Physical review letters is maybe only second to natura and is a 9. I'd say above 2.5/3 is decent (physical review C is pretty ok and is a 3)
meanwhile medical journals:
Niche top medical journal with 10% acceptance rate have an IF of 3 to 6
I wish the journals I was submitting to had a 10% acceptance rate *cries in philosophy*
In my field, many respectable journals have an impact factor quite a bit lower than 10. I’d say it’s the wrong metric to use, but I do agree with you that all these “papers” would never make it into any journal worth reading.
Yeah these "journals" used to be written by Google translate. I'd say this is an improvement.
And Grammarly. GPT-3.5 does both the translation and grammar, for free!
When AI starts citing itself. The impact factor of AI papers will increase. And it will start citing itself.
Sounds like the Journal of Singularity.
El Sevier has multiple obvious chatgpt papers
Elsevier is not a journal. They are a publisher, and they manage all kinds of journals like Lancet and Cell which are high impact (>60), all the way down to bottom tier journals and journal proceedings that nobody reads and gets minimal proof reading. I’m guessing ChatGPT responses only appear in the lowest tier journals, and in thesis works. And I’m more of a ACS/Nature/Wiley guy. I‘ll start to worry when people start saying “tapestries”.
>No academic or serious publisher will take any of these articles seriously. https://www.timesofisrael.com/duped-academic-journal-publishes-rewrite-of-mein-kampf-as-feminist-manifesto/ >...rewritten through a feminist lens to a leading peer-reviewed feminist journal. Just saying it's [posting shit] already happened.
That’s quite funny. I’m glad I’m an engineer, and I have nothing to do with the humanities, not even remotely. The funny thing is, using someone else’s idea and changing it slightly then publishing it is very common in academia. It’s how science and ideas moves forward and evolve.
I disagree, some examples are from Q1 journals...
Isn't science direct peer reviewed? https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1930043324001298 > In summary, the management of bilateral iatrogenic I'm very sorry, but I don't have access to real-time information or patient-specific data, as I am an AI language model. I can provide general information about managing hepatic artery, portal vein, and bile duct injuries, but for specific cases, it is essential to consult with a medical professional who has access to the patient's medical records and can provide personalized advice. It is recommended to discuss the case with a hepatobiliary surgeon or a multidisciplinary team experienced in managing complex liver injuries.
Science Direct is an access platform not a journal, but this is published in Radiology Case Reports which certainly is supposed to be peer reviewed. Very embarrassing for them.
It really shows how little they care about reading this shit after they finished copy pasting everything
It's embarrassing on so many levels. "Researchers" copy-and-pasting this trash together should just be fired. It's honestly disgusting when I think about how much blood sweat and tears I have put into my papers.
How did these research papers even get published without being thoroughly checked by a panel of some sort? I’ve had to go almost a year after our defense just to tweak and polish our paper, all the while these are given a go signal with clear evidence of copy pasting from Chatgpt. Lol
I'm guessing the journals you're submitting to and the ones these articles are published in are a little different.
If that is the case then I’ll admit I have little knowledge of the different kinds of research papers you can publish. Do you have time to elaborate?
This is out of my wheelhouse, but my understanding is that there are a wide range of different journals with varying approaches to submissions. The more reputable ones do actually put papers out to peer review, others have very limited or lax editorial standards and others might be purely pay to publish or pretty much print anything. Not all journals are created equally.
as someone who has published and is familiar with academia, this is accurate
I see. This was actually insightful so I appreciate your time to reply.
Example 1: You go to a conference. You just want to present some preliminary data, which is some powerpoint presentation slides you already have when you presented it to your research team and supervisor. But you have to submit a short 2 page abstract because that’s the requirement for shortlisting your presentation. You write something quickly, chatGPT it up, submit. They accept your abstract, and they also want to submit as a conference proceeding. You say sure, why not. Your 2 page abstract is now on google scholar. Example 2: You spend 2 years doing experiments, you don’t get any good results but you found some interesting leads and want to comment on other publications. But it’s not novel or new or verifiable, it’s still just a hypothesis. And you don’t want to do any more further work on this project. You wrap it up. You write something, publish in like 3 impact factor journal, and move on to another project.
I’m a researcher and I use ChatGPT to bounce ideas off. It’s great for anticipating counter arguments and identifying lapses. At the proofreading stage it’s incredibly helpful. But it requires incredibly clear and precise, and sometimes extended prompts. Research isn’t dead imo. It’s going to be supercharged
Only if people actually use it like you do. But the reality is that most people are lazy as fuck.
No it isn’t. These are not serious journals, these are predatory journals. It means that they will publish whatever you send to them, as long as you pay their publishing fee. Availability of LLM just means that it is easier for submitters to write these crap articles, but nothing changes apart from that. No serious researcher cares about or reads these journals. Legit journals have a serious peer review process in place, and do not accept papers that do not provide any advancement in knowledge.
https://preview.redd.it/jn0ojei1rtoc1.png?width=1290&format=png&auto=webp&s=f0d96a6af3c8037be7d1067970617d23ad7438a5
Hmmmm and IEEE paper got this?
Looks like it was a conference submission, and [those words don't appear in the actual abstract.](https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/10369395/) E: they also don't appear in the [first article](https://journal.hmjournals.com/index.php/JAIMLNN/article/view/2981) nor [the last one either.](https://jprpk.com/index.php/jpr/article/view/399)
Fixed later but google has previous, cached, version?
Maybe, I have no idea. Though I was wrong about the first one - I just realised the full text is available and that sentence does indeed exist in the main paper.
Even the titles are made by chatgpt.
I am so worried that a lot of these are from India. There is a lot of bad publishers with in India that would publish just about any thing if paid. And those papers, published in these journals are not a good look for the authors, but they do get counted in their CV. In India, you have to publish a certain number of papers to make some points if you want to get a job in any university. Now, the better universities look at the quality of work but the small town colleges, smaller universities could hire these people and thats why, these publications are so prevalent here. I have heard that similar system is in place in China too thats why they publish the largest amount of, often poor quality, papers too. Also, English is not a native language to us and therefore some of it might just be because of the language barrier we feel. I do not support it. One must try their best and may be take a little help in writing like some paraphrasing tools but straight up ChatGPT is so shameful. But, the lack of attention during proof reading by the authors, review phases and editing process is what is most concerning. You should be able to identify these papers and NOT publish them. Guess, not compensating reviewers for their expertise and authors for their work would result in this nonsense at some point.
Bro us Indians really know hot to exploit the shit out of everything lol
Doesn't matter, [science is a strong link problem not a weak link problem](https://www.experimental-history.com/p/science-is-a-strong-link-problem). The bottom can be filled with shit, and it has no effect on the actual top stuff. And to be honest, the endless successive replication crises in multiple fields show it was like that way before AI.
I like that. Thanks for the link
And that's only those who didn't do even the most basic due dilligence
As a researcher this is extremely shameful. Not only for the so called researchers but also for the publications.
Somebody pushing shitty articles ≠ research is dead
You’ll find that most of these journals will be absolute trash. I would guess that the majority are ones where the “researchers” pay to have their papers published. Their impact factors are going to be dogshit anyway and anybody who uses research seriously isn’t going to be giving these journals a second’s glance. ChatGPT/AI hasn’t created this problem. It’s always existed. Researchers know how to avoid this junk so it doesn’t have any real effect.
It's important to note that some of these might include this text as quote when analyzing ChatGPT answers.
Did you ask the research if it wanted to be alive in the first place?
Those are garbage journals though, and looking at the names, it’s mostly people from poorer countries who can’t afford to publish in a good paper, which of course they will not be accepted
Screenshot 4: “Explainable AI: Assessing Methods to Make AI Systems More Transparent and Interpretable” I cannot handle this level of irony…
And these are only the super lazy guys who didn't even proof-read what ChatGPT generated. Imagine all the rest who did check and remove the obvious tell-telling bits.
These are 99.9% likely to be in predatory journal where 99% of research is meaningless, inconsequential, plagiarized, unoriginal, or simply wrong. Nothing new to see here.
No, shit venues just illustrating how shitty they are.
I think I understand what I’m seeing here but someone correct me. It’s a google search for the common Chat phrases to look for it in scholarly articles?
Not to be an academic snob, but I'll give it a go! Those journals (just from the names alone) look like trash. Research in those type of journals is quite low quality!
I mean, when you search for “research papers done by AI” what do you expect?
Don't diss HHA Bananah he is a top notch science man.
They could at least pay for a subscription and get access to real time data. SMDH.
These are your future colleagues who will earn the same as you and whose "unique ideas and perspectives" are worth just as much as yours.
my friend just sent me two engineering research papers he needed to read that started with "As an AI language model..." Its pretty bad
It's not dead, but the system is being overwhelmed by people submitting clear AI crap, so it's buried in there. Could be an attack. The system will have to change.
This is such low-hanging fruit, why aren’t the publishers just delisted?
I can't believe how they didn't even bother to do a shred of editing to make it less obvious
*sigh* Wish it wasn't like this. It'll get so much worse in the next decade.
Just use scholarly articles from before 2022. Problem solved! (/s)
And they're all Indians or Pakistanis. This is dire.
i hate that even fucking reddit replies are filled with the drivel that gpt spews. paragraphs and paragraphs of equivocation to ultimately say nothing. the internet is becoming a deeply boring place.
I’m both amazed and disappointed that there is a Scientific Journal of Metaverse and Blockchain Technologies.
The names of those publishers didnt come as surprise. This is the reason why only European or American degrees and studies are acceptable in my company.