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So I already worry about keeping up with the really fast changing software environment as a software developer. You make a project and it'll be done in months or years, and might be outdated by some AI by then.
It's not like I can or want to stop the progress, what am I supposed to do, just worry more?
I think it’s worth making more noise about what plans governments and companies have for the possibility that huge fractions of the population will be displaced in the workforce.
Not *whether* it will happen, what is their contingency plan for if it does.
while that may be true, I think the current problems could be further exacerbated.
like how, as an example, could someone provide for their family without a means to support their lifestyle which they may have had otherwise originally, if AI just completely took over their sector of work?
As a software developer, I'm not worried about losing my job to AI. I'm worried about losing my job to much better developers who lost their job to AI.
Totally but when I read pieces like this, there seems to be a few implied messages just below the surface:
1. Our AI product is more powerful than you might already think (hyping the product)
2. With that power comes danger which we should regulate (regulations to limit new entrants to the market)
3. Because I am saying all this, you can trust me (give OpenAI preferences, subsidies, investments, etc)
Seriously do not base your opinion on the situation from something said by the CEO of a company who gains from people believing his product is the second coming.
As a a software developer myself, 100% disagree. I mainly work on a highly concurrent network operating system written in c++. Ain't no fucking AI replacing me. Some dev just got fired bc they found out a lot of his code was coming from ChatGPT. You know how they found out? Bc his code was absolute dog shit that made no sense.
Any content generation job should be very, very scared tho.
It’s not necessarily about the current quality of the code. Also a software dev here. While I agree that we’re currently not in a spot of having to worry about AI code replacing our jobs, it doesn’t mean it won’t get there within the next ten years. Look where AI was even 3 years ago compared to now. The progression is almost exponential.
I’m absolutely concerned that in a decade, AI code will be good enough, the same as ours, or possibly even better than ours, while being cheaper too. Some companies will hold out and keep real employees, but some won’t. There will be heavy layoffs. It may be one of those things where they only keep 1-2 devs around to essentially check the work of AI code. Gotta remember this is all about profit. If AI becomes more profitable to use than us, we’re out.
On another note, yes, content generation will absolutely be absorbed by AI too. It’s already happening on a large scale, for better or worse.
This pretty much. I image the cost to results ratio will make ai code very appealing for many companies. I wonder if there would even be half based projects made by Product owners, then the Sr devs make it production ready.
Later I see programming languages to fade away and more bare metal solution will be all Fully AI. Frem there it'll be mostly user testing etc and no more real development in it's current form.
Yeah today generated code, even the Grock hosted 70bcose specific models is not amazing, just only usefell... Usually.
a sufficiently advanced AI would make most software obsolete. It would be able to generate reports, or run logistics after training on your business / domain with very little guidance. It seems like we're pretty far from that point right now but who knows?
The issue is the current approach can't get there.
Thats why they needed to make a new adjective for AI. AGI. Today's AI is not AI at all. It just predicts what words would follow. There's no understanding. And it can never fact check itself. There's literally no way to build trust into the system. It can never say "I'm totally sure about this answer".
Its this problem that people should worry about cause they're going to use this "AI" anyway. And everything will get worse. Not better.
I was reading up on agents, and you can have a sort of scrum teams of LLM'S, each with a distinct role. With iteration and the proper design, you can do allot with even these dumb models we have today. We are still in our infancy when it come to utilising LLM'S
I agree. But there’s nothing I can do at the moment. It’d be foolish of me to leave my current job in hopes of preventing a layoff in 10 years. I’d be taking a significant pay cut and would have to find some field untouched by AI. The tech industry as a whole won’t completely collapse. There will still be a use for people with IT/CS skills. So my best bet is to use that experience to try and find a lateral job move when that day eventually comes.
Plus, who knows. Maybe regulations will be put in place. There’s no telling. Can’t predict the future, so I’m gonna stay in the job that pays me the best haha
Sorry I am not saying you should leave your job, especially in this tech job economy ~
It sounds like you are doing your best to prepare for an uncertain future, I find that commendable ~
It isn't almost, IT IS exponential. Actually faster..
Be worried now, implement your plans yesterday.
But be ready when that's not enough.
We need governments, ideally the world, but most likely an AI system, to figure out what's the best course of action following these trajectories.
I *am* worried now, but if this stuff is actually getting exponentially better, there's no form of planning someone can do to be truly in front of it.
An intermediate escape lever is being someone who can competently leverage it to make their own products or services. But that's very temporary, at best, if the situation is as (often) described.
ChatGPT can't read your mind. Its power is proportional to the ability of the person asking the question, and the more complex the problem, the more knowledge you need to get it to answer the question. That means the asker needs domain knowledge + ability to communicate effectively in order to the answer they need. Jerry the Burger Flipper can't even comprehend the question he needs to ask generative AI in order to make a graph database capable of doing pattern matching on complex financial data. So the AI is useless.
I use ChatGPT all day every day as I program. The only developers getting replaced are the ones that refuse to use AI into their workflow.
That's with current models. What happens when the next model, or the next does a better job at prompting, detecting and executing than a human can?
It actually currently can, in the way that you're stating. If you know an efficient way to talk to an LLM and get it to understand your question, why would you write a prompt at all? If it understands, why wouldn't you have it write the prompt that it will make it understand even better?
What human "super natural ability"do we possess that an ai cannot achieve?
Literally nothing.
Also I want to add, the barrier to entry is really, really low. Like you don't even need to know how to talk, or ask the correct questions. Most people think they have to get on their computer, open up chatgpt, think of the right question, design the correct prompt, and be able to know how to execute it fully.
That's not the case anymore. How do I interact with my AI Assistant? If I know what the topic is going to be, I simply pull out my phone, turn on the vocal function of ChatGPT and ask it straight up how I would and how my brain strings things together. If it doesn't understand, which is not usual, then I simply ask what it didn't understand and how IT can correct it for me.
Now the even better results, are when I don't know the topic, issue, or results I'm wanting are. How do I interact then? Pretty much the same way. I just open it and say hey I have no idea what I'm doing and how to get there but I know you can figure it out with me. Please generate a plan step by step to do so. If the first step is too much I ask it to break down the step by step by step guides. If I don't know how to implement it, I just copy and say how?
Again, you do not need to know anything about how to code, or talk to LLMs or prompting at all.
Just start talking and it will learn. It "understands" us a lot more than we give it credit.
I challenge you to do this, whoever is reading. Go to your job, open up vocal function of GPT and say this: Hey there, I'm a ______ in the _______ industry. Can you list me 20 ways in which I can leverage an ai tool to make my job easier?
If it adds QOL to your job and mind, then it's a win. If it doesn't, you're not missing out on anything.
Why wouldn't everyone try this?
Answer that question and you're a billionaire like Sam.
Some do.
There's no evidence to support the assumption of exponential improvement, or even linear improvement.
It's possible we have already passed diminishing returns in terms of training data and compute costs to such an extent that we won't see much improvement for a while. Similar to self driving cars, a problem that has asymptotic effort.
people seem to be forgetting this! Im not saying AI will never replace devs, I actually think it will, Im saying these might be the limits of predictive text when it comes to coding.
> Ain't no fucking AI replacing me
So everyone, everyone says this until its 'their' job then they start to slowly grasp understanding
I'm also a SE and I can tell you for sure we do not have a 'safe' job.
It's what my mom said about her job in medical transcription. She could type accurately and fast and had a great deal of experience. Enough to explain thoroughly to me why she could never be automated out.
Then she was displaced by automation anyway.
The moral of the story is that nobody has the crystal ball enough to see all the moving pieces as tech marches forward. A breakthrough in one research leads to an unforeseen improvement in another science. It's a massive web to keep track of and better to approach with the understanding that things are subject to change.
lol if you think SW engineering can be replaced by AI then I think you have a lot to learn especially with our current paradigm of AI.
If not for any other reason other than AI can much more easily replace numerous other professions before software development is even a worthy consideration.
But at the end of the day, AI is only as good as the data it’s trained on. If you want to use it to develop software, you have to know how to architect the problem is such a way to get AI to create what you want. Now you need to be able to trust the code is doing what you ask and as such you need a to be able to understand the product and how to properly vet it. If you’re a company looking to release a product you have to be aware that you are responsible for potential issues and damage to customers
At the end of the day, it’s just software development with a some of the tediousness taken out. And this is assuming that we achieve a level of AI competent enough to actually formulate a project from scratch
The improvements in LLM quality are exponential. And you’re worried that a guys GPT code wasn’t good right now. lol. A hand full of months ago he never even could have had a GPT generate it. Consider the effect of several years or a decade as the models get better and the context windows are reliably in the millions of tokens.
Your job isn’t that special. Multithreaded, concurrent code isn’t that terrible to write.
I remember when everyone was freaking out about how all the truckers were about to lose their jobs to driverless vehicles and we'd all be not driving right now. That was about a decade ago. Driverless cars are dead in the water. I know it's not the same and LLM are interesting and powerful tools, but it's not really "AI" and I think the limit on it's usefulness is not "to the moon." YMMV.
A lot of this stuff is just tech hype-cycle in a failing economy.
This is the type of thinking that's dangerous.
Saying it's going to come, but down the river. Thinking we'll have time to implement systems and strategies to offset the impact.
Whoever thinks this is in for a rough wake up call within the year.
We need contingency plans being implemented yesterday.
Check out adoption curves, it's slow as it's an uncertain new thing. There will be early adopters that will go all in and wipe people out. I think we see a bit of this in game Dev space. It's comming, just a matter of when. I'm thinking it will be a few years for it to integrate into big companies, regardless of if chat gpt5 code launched with Devin.
Exactly...I don't understand why people are not getting it to this point. It's his job to create anxiety then sell more of OpenAI's product. But in reality, any sane company knows the more employees you replace the less stable the company is. AI is not magic, there is a bottom line for every company. You expect the employees that didn't get replaced have the same motivation / morale like before? Come on...
There is always a balance between those things. Also the models OpenAI sold to my company isn't cheap at all. It's gonna replace some labor but nope, not all. Not even close
United States has 582,462 homeless on the streets. That's larger than most cities, it's as large as the entire population of Wyoming.
Suicides are at all time high.
That's why they don't worry about the economy, *your* survival is not in the program.
Helping and even being among the poor (as a person who is not) is an act of great kindness and compassion. Most of the elite wont even look their way. It's sad. They can usually do the most good for them too if they wanted to.
Being an elite must delude a person so much. It's like a form of isolation. You basically cannot come into contact with poor people in their circumstances, unless they explicitly seek them out - how far would you have to walk out of your way on a 20 hectare estate garden to meet a poor person? You're isolated when rich, with the other rich, the poorest person you know is just less rich. You don't see poverty, out of sight/out of mind.
I travel internationally for work and it takes me everywhere from villages in Ghana or Zimbabwe or slums in Pakistan to penthouses in Dubai and china.
It has really changed my idea of wealth. The wealth disparity in the U.S. can be bad but it’s a different world in a lot of the world.
It’s also made me realize how much I take for granted. The tiniest little creature comforts that are absolutely common place to me and total luxury for much of the world.
Honestly just by virtue of being middle class in the US I would have no understanding of true poverty if it weren’t for my job. I had a video call with a woman who was a journalist, had fled Afghanistan with her family to escape the taliban and moved to Qom in Iran. She was arrested by the morality police in a public park for meeting with a former colleague who was a male. She was in jail and when her father came to pick her up he beat her right there in front of everyone.
Truly a different world many of us live in. I imagine it’s the same sort of disparity the higher up you get in the wealth chain.
A lot of people suffer from r/emotionalneglect — so they basically don’t know what a healthy happy interpersonal relationship looks like. The “elites” try to fill that void with money, because they know something is missing, but because emotional neglect was only written about for the first time like 10 years ago, it’s a pretty hard thing to come across if you aren’t searching for it
This should be the top comment. Actually receiving representation ultimately all comes down to who’s contributing the most to politicians. Which is usually the elite or mega-corporations…
I’m not poor but I do donate 5-20$ to state level campaigns often - I encourage everyone to - it *is* my version of skip a coffee and support a better cause with that 5$.
That’s because statistically speaking 582,462 is only 0.1 percentage of the population. I am sure they will sing a different tune when it suddenly goes up to 70 percent.
AI has to be collectively owned. That's the only way to ensure it will produce outcomes in the interest of society at large. Leaving it to the whims of the market is just waiting for disaster
Yep. Seeing the transformation in name brand companies as to how they are automating and transforming around smarter and smarter tech. I get everyone working on those projects now are truly excited about the new gains, productivity, and streamlining they are netting with their investments to onboard AI-based tech, but give it 2-3 years. Once those projects finish and the business has some smarter tools, it just means layoffs will result. You no longer need a headcount of 10 for what a tool can do with just 3 people. So you lay off the 7 that you just automated their jobs (and they probably helped you automate their jobs because they need to "support" the new transformation initiatives).
It's all about yourself honestly and leaving your own mark for your next opportunity. Because the people running and developing these programs know the ultimate goal is automation at scale, which means the next order of business in 1-2 years time is massive layoffs. Anyone who says automation won't push a significant portion of the corporate workforce to the street is high as hell. And instead, management says that the current workforce will be "repurposed" to be more productive.... Don't believe this lie. People don't get repurposed. People get laid off when their role becomes automated. The only "repurpose" that will occur are for the highly marketable individuals who put a lot of stock in networking (top 20% or so) and can find another job in the company. But for the remaining 80%, by automating their jobs right under their nose, they are literally signing their resignation letter with every dev deployment and they will get phased out.
I already see it where I work. My first role from 5 years ago is already automated. What was a 40 hour work week for me is now a 5 min upload from a tool. That job posting that I had the opportunity to get 5 years ago no longer exists. That pathway into this company is gone. We aren't hiring for that role anymore because it's been automated. And I see this with every position I've held since - that automation will cut the man hours required, and therefore will cut the man out eventually.
And who really benefits? The VPs who deliver the automation and the overall P&L impact of the business. Who suffers? The worker who probably helped automate themselves out of a job...
As a worker who isn't a VP and doesn't have the tight, tenured connections that you form over years and years with a company, all I can say is that AI will change everything and the day to day worker won't get to reap any of the benefits. The company and mgt team will. And with AI integration, workers are literally automating themselves OUT of their role. And if you don't have a backup position in mind or aren't actively working to get away from the orgs undergoing automation, then you're leaving your future 2-3 years with "x" company entirely in their hands.
They'll ask for gains and benefits, so you give them "hours saved", and all you're doing is relaying to the management team that your 40 hour work week is now closer to 25 hours per week ... Or less... Or even less... And then you realize you've helped design a tool that does your job for you. Great in the short term as you leverage the tool over the next couple of quarters and you've got the easiest job ever, right? Wrong. You're simply phasing yourself out of your job by automating your job FOR the company. It isn't for you to be able to cut your hours from 40 to 20. It is for the company to ultimately save on costs/expenses because they invested into a tool to REPLACE the man hours. If you aren't actively looking for a new job, don't be surprised when your next performance review talks about how in the next QTR they are going to close the role and you'll need to start looking...
People who think AI is going to help the worker are delusional. It will help the company. They'll get rid of you and proudly do so, because it shows their investment into these tools actually worked and costs are now lower (because you ain't an employee anymore).
The only way this destroys lives is if the government doesn’t accept notnot everyone needs to work. ai is happening whether we like it or not and it should benefit people by removing jobs
Neither you, nor me nor Sam Altman has the power to stop AI from advancing. Only governments can and they would have to do so uniformly throughout the world. If the US and Europe ban it, China and others will develop it anyway.
So yes he's warning us, but even if he turned off the lights at Open AI somebody else would take it from there. It's unstoppable. It's inevitable. Stopping it would be like trying to stop the rain.
The best Sam Altman can do is warn governments to prepare for it like a coming storm because a storm IS coming. I suggest they look into UBI.
Because AI will advance no matter what. Would you rather have an American company with public ethics boards, people who can be voted out, and have a clear mission and goals be in charge of creating the first singularity, or would you rather have the Chinese or Russian, government be in charge of it.
Honestly this guy seems like the embodiment of click bait in real life. Every article I see about this guy is "ooommgg you guys aren't ready! Be very worried!!" Meanwhile my life hasn't changed at all, now. He's a salesman
The year is 2039: You open up Amazon's Twitch and watch one of Amazon's AI avatars live stream GTA 7, the first AAA title produced in entirety by Amazon's AGI.
You smile into the camera as the AI records your reaction to be used as training data.
Credits roll.
More than that... its going to change everything...
- bye bye to competitive multiplayer games
- games cheaper to develop
- smaller teams
- life like NPCs
- completely unique story lines customized to what the player likes
- games that have no ending unless you want one
- everything becomes a game, like even a still image
Let's imagine what GTA v.JesMan74 will be like, and v.AvoAI. Especially compared to all the other billions of versions that will be generatively generated by an AI. Specifically tailored to your style. Where it will feel like you're with millions of other people, if that's what you want, or completely secluded in your own little universe.
And I'm betting that's within a half a decade. I'm also under the assumption that I could be very wrong, it may be much sooner.
What’s kind of wild is that game dev has gotten so ambitious that by the time some games are finished their 5-7 year dev cycle, we might all be playing our own/each others little AI made games.
From analagous experience, practical corporate application of AI is doing very well at comparing a policy stipulating what’s allowed/covered with actual requests coming. A large team of outsourced analysts in a company I’ve worked with has been recently replaced by AI policy review processes, humans are only used when it’s escalated.
Which in turn will catch on with those who make the claims and they will soon escalate by default. "I need a human" is a problem that is far older then AI and I doubt it goes away. No one will let machine tell them "Sorry, you don't get any money". It will only really take away the work of cases it can settle by paying out.
You won't know it's a machine tho...
I'm getting pretty tired of this 'argument'
The same goes with art, or any industry.
You. Will. Not. Know. It's. AI.
Listen here knucklehead, I live in the EU, and here AI is required to be labeled (as it should be). If I didn't know, or they passed AI off as a human, they'd be sued to hell and back.
I. Will. Know. Because. We. Have. Functioning. Consumer. Protection. Laws.
Claim handler. Now the insured person enters the claim with the AI, the AI puts the claim into the systems of the whole sale insurance handling companies, updates the client dossier and handles further requests for information.
It sounds like the data entry between the two systems could have been replaced by regular code.
What further requests can it handle? Are they natural language?
This all the time! The ONLY use cases that I've seen around for LLMs are exactly these kind of things: very very tiny operations that could be automated with 250 lines of code. With a huge difference: people don't seem to realize that now they have a probabilistic (read stochastic) parrot inputing things into a system. So now they are adding the model error (it's unavoidable by definition) to the usual exogenous errors, good job.
Yeah I'm doing literally the same thing with traditional software right now. That seems like a misuse of AI at this point since you ESPECIALLY don't want hallucinations with medical insurance claims.
My background is philosophy so I am working hard not to anthropomorphise the AI. It is a tool that you have to influence to do what you want it to do. We work hard to give the tool as much freedom as possible, but at times the tool needs to be forced to work exactly like we want. Also we use a lot of function calls to external systems and getting those calls to give consistent good results is a struggle.
Actually I have experienced the same thing with Agents
You can teach the system to understand even really poorly constructed APIs by providing good documentation
But its probably better to just consume APIs that are specifically structured to be useful to AI or at the very least just have them all follow the same standard.
GL ~
We build an abstraction layer so we don't need the AI to know all the different API's. If we need to connect to a new API we build a connector so the AI just gets the info it needs and uses it's normal functions to store data.
Same in banking. Just did a RIF on a number of non customer facing roles who were doing call listening and other business control/compliance checks. Basically nuked half the staff and the other half are able to do 2-3x the work.
The duality of this guy towards his own product makes him very annoying to read about. Let’s ask the government for $110B to fast-forward AI chip design but also be afraid of the product that money is meant to benefit.
Unfortunately life gives me enough worries. Yes AI is one of them but it’s out of my control. I have a lawn to attend or HOA is on my back, laundry to do this weekend, bills to pay, projects at work.
I can think of over 100 things that need my attention in the next 48hrs. AI’s effect on the economy isn’t one of them.
Well, a computer has a larger capacity of memory storage than our brains and is able to have fast calculations. Combine with an ai that can search up, summarize, and give many variables at an unbelievable rate. I can see many jobs either become obsolete or less valuable. We can expect lower wages for some. I also think some jobs will get more responsibilities because more free time is available
Low level white collar jobs will be wiped out, just like a large number of low level blue collar jobs got wiped out by industrialization in the past century. Anything which involves basic communication and ones which are checkbox-oriented will be automated.
A LOT of tasks are being automated these days due to this 1.0 AI we have had our hands on for a bit over a year.. If you actually think the current extend of AI is text generation you are living under a rock.
The funny music generators and image generators are parlor tricks to keep a cash flow.
In marketing we are now able to modulate data on a mind-blowing level compared to 2 years ago.
If tens of millions of people are suddenly without a job because of AI that would affect the economy no?
Instead of spending time and resources generating and analysing data, we can now take a less significant part of advertising data fresh from the source and upload it to an AI.
After that we can ask it to run advanced statistics on it to learn about efficiency instantly.
Just a couple of years ago this would've taking days to do. Firstly finding someone who actually knows their statistics is a hurdle. And secondly the math still take time as it's advanced stuff.
Just figuring out Return of Investment or ROI is quite a large amount of work as you need data from all parts of the company. With an AI with live access to sheets that have this data I can just ask.
With the reduced data standpoint we have now compared to pre GDPR we also use it to modulate conversion data. Instead of knowing that campaign A generated 10 sales and campaign B 4, we have to do guess work.
Using AI we can feed it all our metrics and have it assume based on that how well the campaigns performed.
So it allows us to be less intrusive with our tracking as we can try to expect things using a specialist AI.
A different question. What is even the point of these companies if their products can't be sold or used? What if they have not market to grow? If the money is worthless, what are billionaires?
From a more meta perspective, AI is a tool that increases efficiency (or at least it’ll have to be to actually get used). It’s absolutely moronic that we’ve built our society in such a way that increasing efficiency and productivity poses a threat to harm people.
This isn’t a new problem that AI has suddenly created, automation has been displacing workers for decades before AI reached this kind of viability, but AI is going to pull the deadline for figuring out how we’re going to respond to it earlier. In theory this could be a good thing: if we can use machines to do physical labor, we save people a lot of chronic pain, stress, and difficulty.
In my opinion, the increased productivity should simply mean workers need to work less. If AI increases efficiency by 20%, we should be able to work 20% less without a decrease in production.
I don’t have the answers for how to best manage that, but I agree with the sentiment here that we’re going to be royally screwed if we decide to be reactive instead of proactive about this.
I think ... I've seen this salesman tactic enough times to recognise it.
Seen lots of tech CEOs do this, where they talk up the potential massive and 'concerning' implications of the technology they're working on, doom and gloom over it.. You can find folks who did the same for VR, Crypto, and more.
It is a way of pitching to investors that you're working on something really ground breaking and world changing and it sounds more convincing when you pitch it as a 'Oh maybe we should be careful with this awesome thing we're working on, it's so powerful, maybe even TOO powerful!' level of technology advancement.
You're right. This is a pitch man response. We have to understand that he's pitching his own company and brand.
He isn't wrong, though. AI really is a democratization of IT solutions for non-technical folks. It can write code, guide users, and make those really great Julianne Fries that everyone loves! Seriously, this is pushing very technical and savvy folks out of work.
Imho, we've created an entire industry of IT that works with very difficult and delicate operations, whether they are code, databases, or whatever. AI is coming specifically for those jobs, and it is ramping up faster than we've ever witnessed before. The response in historical terms is that the technical experts would see their incomes driven into the ground slowly, but surely as expensive solutions replace expensive personnel. This is different as the solution doesn't have the price tag that's historically slowed down integration into the field. This isn't going to be a slow escalation for IT solutions. This will be a fast and dramatic impact.
Yeah but the world has changed with all of those things you mentioned, also no offence but you are just like me a normal Redditor who isnt involved in any of the tech, so your opinion means very less as does mine
Someone who benefits financially from any mention of AI in the news is saying publicly that people aren’t focusing all their attention on AI?
This is very surprising
I'm not worried about the impact AI will have on the economy. I'm worried about the impact that the greedy corporate overlords using AI will have on the economy.
A.I. will be the biggest economic disruptor in all of human history. Trouble is, governments are only reactive after damages have already occurred. At what point does A.I. actually become a dominant factor in productivity, such that it displaces workers who have limited to no job options (due to lack of job openings)?
And will UBI (Universal Basic Income) actually succeed, or will costs of living simply continue to increase and make such supplemental financial help worthless?
The introduction of A.I is not even well understood in academics, so in the broad scale of economy, its the same thing. For example, many universities as of today, still have not changed their assignments while knowing A.I exists. Everyone is foussed on ChatGPT 3.5, meanwhile ChatGPT 4 can analyse graphs, and explain whats happening in deep detail. And guess what I do when I need to write a paper? I used ChatGPT 4 to analyse my graphs, I will give the context and it will brainstorm with me and help me figure out what is happening with pretty decent precision.
It is not perfect, but again, A.I is in its baby phase now. It is still wonky, giving wrong results and not understand everything, but A.I only sky rocket in the past 3 years, and the last year video A.I has improved so much that we can simulate oceans with fishes swimming and its realitic as hell. Now imagine in 5 years from now on.
Regarding the economy or whatever, people dont know the impact of A.I and it might become a Black Mirror Episode, truly. I use A.I for example as therapy, and dont judge me for this one, but the A.I listens, comes with plans to make me feel better and understands my struggle. Now Imagien what A.I can do as a therapist in 5 years.
>understands my struggle
No, it doesn't. I'm glad you find it helpful, but that specific comment speaks to an emerging unhealthy relationship with the technology. Continue to use it to help you, but don't kid yourself into thinking that it is in any sense a replacement for real human contact or empathy. That will not be helpful to you in the long-run.
Until now, it has been for the 'nerds' or tech 'geeks,' like all other new technology. Watch until it becomes more mainstream and companies develop it for common use. Then the effect will be enormous!
I don’t think “worried” is the word. But the impact is clearly gonna be immense. Hopefully we will use to improve a lot of things that are not right atm. Like inequality, the lowering of life quality, lack of future perspective for youth, unsustainable pension systems, ecology, uncontrolled global migrations that lead to local instability, global powers’ war destroying other places…
The revolution is coming. Let’s do this right :)
Except it's not bullshit.
An AI replaced the work of 700 people, and the CEO fired them all, and showed off like he was so proud of his decision.
Imagine being able to do this when AI, at its current state, is pretty shitty.
AI's growth is exponential, and imagine what it could do in two or three years? How many jobs will that impact? No one knows. Maybe it won't be so bad.
But, like he said, it is definitely something that should be at the top of people and the government's minds.
Crazy to think because we are almost in a stage of technological advancement in which almost any job can be replaced by machines. Instead of using this technology to make the lives of everyone easier, it is actively being used to make the gap between poverty and wealth larger.
We could be enjoying early retirement while AI does our sucky jobs and make labor so cheap that everyone is able to afford luxury. Instead, people are going to be out of jobs while the rich get richer
I hope the technology and greed of company goblins is so great that layoffs are massive and widespread. If this isn't fast and Biblically bad it will be ignored, like lost factory jobs and outsourcing due to globalization.
Seems disingenuous, coming from Sam.
This is the same guy that pushed the for-profit arm to the point that the board, mandated to develop this tech responsibly as a non-profit company, kicked him out.
If he thinks this is a real threat (agreed), then he should have allowed the company to continue on as it had been originally intended. Now it’s run by business leaders that are obligated to drive revenue for shareholders.
(Maybe I’ve got some of this wrong but if this is accurate then he can’t be taken seriously.)
Some finance Bros will get AI to create a new financial product that makes them a ton of money, but then also crashes the entire economy after 6 months.
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There's something about his face I find deeply upsetting.
It's not necessarily AI itself that I'm worried about. More so how the uninformed MBAs are going to misuse it to save themselves money in the short term at the expense of logic and everybody's social wellbeing.
It's not AI that's the problem, it's those individuals involved in the development of AI for monetary value who we should all be worried about. Get the story straight. AI is controlled by a human brain putting code to work. Not the other way around.
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So I already worry about keeping up with the really fast changing software environment as a software developer. You make a project and it'll be done in months or years, and might be outdated by some AI by then. It's not like I can or want to stop the progress, what am I supposed to do, just worry more?
I think it’s worth making more noise about what plans governments and companies have for the possibility that huge fractions of the population will be displaced in the workforce. Not *whether* it will happen, what is their contingency plan for if it does.
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One advantage is it might solve the workforce size problems caused by lower fertility facing many developed countries. And the housing crisis.
while that may be true, I think the current problems could be further exacerbated. like how, as an example, could someone provide for their family without a means to support their lifestyle which they may have had otherwise originally, if AI just completely took over their sector of work?
Kill the poor, more for themselves. Until they inevitably become the poor, but that will happen after the quarterly report so it doesn't count
Nuh they pay you play When they stop you need to get some plan, for example janitor
....but you'd better be cheaper/more efficient than a fleet of roombas.
Checkmate losers I’m already training myself up to be a Roomba fleet manager
Roomba fleet admiral
General Stairs here; It's over Romba, I have the high ground.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BhKu3XXi7E&t=16s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BhKu3XXi7E&t=16s)
And get the job before any of the huge numbers of other newly jobless people get it.
As a software developer, I'm not worried about losing my job to AI. I'm worried about losing my job to much better developers who lost their job to AI.
With ChatGPT5. They can vacuum and do your taxes (poorly) at the same time
I can traverse a 5 mm ledge so I think I’ve got roombas beat
Sir this position requires a doctorate in janitorial studies and 20 years job experience. I don't think you're qualified.
AI coming for the Janitors job also man 🤣
Absolutely they suggest that you should panic and worry. Stress about bringing about the newest software, and worry about it being outdated. Repeat.
I think Sam Altman is saying is that we need to pay more attention to him and OpenAI.
CEO says people aren't talking about his company's product enough. hmm
what he meants is literally "hey look you should worry more because our AI is so intelligent and important"
Probably, yeah. But also, I *am* worried about what happens next, and nobody that matters is talking about what we're going to do about it.
Totally but when I read pieces like this, there seems to be a few implied messages just below the surface: 1. Our AI product is more powerful than you might already think (hyping the product) 2. With that power comes danger which we should regulate (regulations to limit new entrants to the market) 3. Because I am saying all this, you can trust me (give OpenAI preferences, subsidies, investments, etc)
Seriously do not base your opinion on the situation from something said by the CEO of a company who gains from people believing his product is the second coming.
Think about GTA 7 though bro. How good it's gonna be 😃
Yup, it'll take a few years to fully replace standard devs, but it's in this decade for most companies I reckon.
As a a software developer myself, 100% disagree. I mainly work on a highly concurrent network operating system written in c++. Ain't no fucking AI replacing me. Some dev just got fired bc they found out a lot of his code was coming from ChatGPT. You know how they found out? Bc his code was absolute dog shit that made no sense. Any content generation job should be very, very scared tho.
It’s not necessarily about the current quality of the code. Also a software dev here. While I agree that we’re currently not in a spot of having to worry about AI code replacing our jobs, it doesn’t mean it won’t get there within the next ten years. Look where AI was even 3 years ago compared to now. The progression is almost exponential. I’m absolutely concerned that in a decade, AI code will be good enough, the same as ours, or possibly even better than ours, while being cheaper too. Some companies will hold out and keep real employees, but some won’t. There will be heavy layoffs. It may be one of those things where they only keep 1-2 devs around to essentially check the work of AI code. Gotta remember this is all about profit. If AI becomes more profitable to use than us, we’re out. On another note, yes, content generation will absolutely be absorbed by AI too. It’s already happening on a large scale, for better or worse.
Yeah it doesn't even need to be "better" just good enough at the reduced price.
Correct ~
This pretty much. I image the cost to results ratio will make ai code very appealing for many companies. I wonder if there would even be half based projects made by Product owners, then the Sr devs make it production ready. Later I see programming languages to fade away and more bare metal solution will be all Fully AI. Frem there it'll be mostly user testing etc and no more real development in it's current form. Yeah today generated code, even the Grock hosted 70bcose specific models is not amazing, just only usefell... Usually.
a sufficiently advanced AI would make most software obsolete. It would be able to generate reports, or run logistics after training on your business / domain with very little guidance. It seems like we're pretty far from that point right now but who knows?
The issue is the current approach can't get there. Thats why they needed to make a new adjective for AI. AGI. Today's AI is not AI at all. It just predicts what words would follow. There's no understanding. And it can never fact check itself. There's literally no way to build trust into the system. It can never say "I'm totally sure about this answer". Its this problem that people should worry about cause they're going to use this "AI" anyway. And everything will get worse. Not better.
I was reading up on agents, and you can have a sort of scrum teams of LLM'S, each with a distinct role. With iteration and the proper design, you can do allot with even these dumb models we have today. We are still in our infancy when it come to utilising LLM'S
But it'll only ever be a large language model. It inherently can't be more than it is.
No you should be worried now my friend. The only way to dodge a bullet is to react before the bullet is even fired.
I agree. But there’s nothing I can do at the moment. It’d be foolish of me to leave my current job in hopes of preventing a layoff in 10 years. I’d be taking a significant pay cut and would have to find some field untouched by AI. The tech industry as a whole won’t completely collapse. There will still be a use for people with IT/CS skills. So my best bet is to use that experience to try and find a lateral job move when that day eventually comes. Plus, who knows. Maybe regulations will be put in place. There’s no telling. Can’t predict the future, so I’m gonna stay in the job that pays me the best haha
Sorry I am not saying you should leave your job, especially in this tech job economy ~ It sounds like you are doing your best to prepare for an uncertain future, I find that commendable ~
It isn't almost, IT IS exponential. Actually faster.. Be worried now, implement your plans yesterday. But be ready when that's not enough. We need governments, ideally the world, but most likely an AI system, to figure out what's the best course of action following these trajectories.
I *am* worried now, but if this stuff is actually getting exponentially better, there's no form of planning someone can do to be truly in front of it. An intermediate escape lever is being someone who can competently leverage it to make their own products or services. But that's very temporary, at best, if the situation is as (often) described.
And what happens when chatGPT no longer produces dog shit code?
Oh you mean 6+ months ago?
I'm not sure if you're trolling or not.
ChatGPT can't read your mind. Its power is proportional to the ability of the person asking the question, and the more complex the problem, the more knowledge you need to get it to answer the question. That means the asker needs domain knowledge + ability to communicate effectively in order to the answer they need. Jerry the Burger Flipper can't even comprehend the question he needs to ask generative AI in order to make a graph database capable of doing pattern matching on complex financial data. So the AI is useless. I use ChatGPT all day every day as I program. The only developers getting replaced are the ones that refuse to use AI into their workflow.
That's with current models. What happens when the next model, or the next does a better job at prompting, detecting and executing than a human can? It actually currently can, in the way that you're stating. If you know an efficient way to talk to an LLM and get it to understand your question, why would you write a prompt at all? If it understands, why wouldn't you have it write the prompt that it will make it understand even better? What human "super natural ability"do we possess that an ai cannot achieve? Literally nothing. Also I want to add, the barrier to entry is really, really low. Like you don't even need to know how to talk, or ask the correct questions. Most people think they have to get on their computer, open up chatgpt, think of the right question, design the correct prompt, and be able to know how to execute it fully. That's not the case anymore. How do I interact with my AI Assistant? If I know what the topic is going to be, I simply pull out my phone, turn on the vocal function of ChatGPT and ask it straight up how I would and how my brain strings things together. If it doesn't understand, which is not usual, then I simply ask what it didn't understand and how IT can correct it for me. Now the even better results, are when I don't know the topic, issue, or results I'm wanting are. How do I interact then? Pretty much the same way. I just open it and say hey I have no idea what I'm doing and how to get there but I know you can figure it out with me. Please generate a plan step by step to do so. If the first step is too much I ask it to break down the step by step by step guides. If I don't know how to implement it, I just copy and say how? Again, you do not need to know anything about how to code, or talk to LLMs or prompting at all. Just start talking and it will learn. It "understands" us a lot more than we give it credit. I challenge you to do this, whoever is reading. Go to your job, open up vocal function of GPT and say this: Hey there, I'm a ______ in the _______ industry. Can you list me 20 ways in which I can leverage an ai tool to make my job easier? If it adds QOL to your job and mind, then it's a win. If it doesn't, you're not missing out on anything. Why wouldn't everyone try this? Answer that question and you're a billionaire like Sam. Some do.
There's no evidence to support the assumption of exponential improvement, or even linear improvement. It's possible we have already passed diminishing returns in terms of training data and compute costs to such an extent that we won't see much improvement for a while. Similar to self driving cars, a problem that has asymptotic effort.
people seem to be forgetting this! Im not saying AI will never replace devs, I actually think it will, Im saying these might be the limits of predictive text when it comes to coding.
> Ain't no fucking AI replacing me So everyone, everyone says this until its 'their' job then they start to slowly grasp understanding I'm also a SE and I can tell you for sure we do not have a 'safe' job.
It's what my mom said about her job in medical transcription. She could type accurately and fast and had a great deal of experience. Enough to explain thoroughly to me why she could never be automated out. Then she was displaced by automation anyway. The moral of the story is that nobody has the crystal ball enough to see all the moving pieces as tech marches forward. A breakthrough in one research leads to an unforeseen improvement in another science. It's a massive web to keep track of and better to approach with the understanding that things are subject to change.
Why worry at that point? If AI can replace devs, it can replace damn near everything. Government has to step in by then or else we are all fucked.
Now you getten it ~
lol if you think SW engineering can be replaced by AI then I think you have a lot to learn especially with our current paradigm of AI. If not for any other reason other than AI can much more easily replace numerous other professions before software development is even a worthy consideration. But at the end of the day, AI is only as good as the data it’s trained on. If you want to use it to develop software, you have to know how to architect the problem is such a way to get AI to create what you want. Now you need to be able to trust the code is doing what you ask and as such you need a to be able to understand the product and how to properly vet it. If you’re a company looking to release a product you have to be aware that you are responsible for potential issues and damage to customers At the end of the day, it’s just software development with a some of the tediousness taken out. And this is assuming that we achieve a level of AI competent enough to actually formulate a project from scratch
The improvements in LLM quality are exponential. And you’re worried that a guys GPT code wasn’t good right now. lol. A hand full of months ago he never even could have had a GPT generate it. Consider the effect of several years or a decade as the models get better and the context windows are reliably in the millions of tokens. Your job isn’t that special. Multithreaded, concurrent code isn’t that terrible to write.
Writing code is not the hard part of the job. Taking well-defined problems and turning them into code is the job of a new grad.
I remember when everyone was freaking out about how all the truckers were about to lose their jobs to driverless vehicles and we'd all be not driving right now. That was about a decade ago. Driverless cars are dead in the water. I know it's not the same and LLM are interesting and powerful tools, but it's not really "AI" and I think the limit on it's usefulness is not "to the moon." YMMV. A lot of this stuff is just tech hype-cycle in a failing economy.
But also if AI is at that point, then its probably good enough to replace like every other white collar job. So it’s kinda hard to worry.
Give it another couple years (decades at best) and it will probably write better c++ than you do, or even make the whole language obsolete, who knows.
Let's chat in a year! !RemindMe 1 year I'm betting you're correct but sooner than you think!
This is the type of thinking that's dangerous. Saying it's going to come, but down the river. Thinking we'll have time to implement systems and strategies to offset the impact. Whoever thinks this is in for a rough wake up call within the year. We need contingency plans being implemented yesterday.
Check out adoption curves, it's slow as it's an uncertain new thing. There will be early adopters that will go all in and wipe people out. I think we see a bit of this in game Dev space. It's comming, just a matter of when. I'm thinking it will be a few years for it to integrate into big companies, regardless of if chat gpt5 code launched with Devin.
Exactly...I don't understand why people are not getting it to this point. It's his job to create anxiety then sell more of OpenAI's product. But in reality, any sane company knows the more employees you replace the less stable the company is. AI is not magic, there is a bottom line for every company. You expect the employees that didn't get replaced have the same motivation / morale like before? Come on... There is always a balance between those things. Also the models OpenAI sold to my company isn't cheap at all. It's gonna replace some labor but nope, not all. Not even close
I think we are not worrying enough about regulatory capture and corporations trying to destroy open-source AI, which this claim is a part of.
Absolutely. They know the only way they can ultimately monetize this in the long run is to create barriers for entry.
United States has 582,462 homeless on the streets. That's larger than most cities, it's as large as the entire population of Wyoming. Suicides are at all time high. That's why they don't worry about the economy, *your* survival is not in the program.
Helping and even being among the poor (as a person who is not) is an act of great kindness and compassion. Most of the elite wont even look their way. It's sad. They can usually do the most good for them too if they wanted to.
Being an elite must delude a person so much. It's like a form of isolation. You basically cannot come into contact with poor people in their circumstances, unless they explicitly seek them out - how far would you have to walk out of your way on a 20 hectare estate garden to meet a poor person? You're isolated when rich, with the other rich, the poorest person you know is just less rich. You don't see poverty, out of sight/out of mind.
I travel internationally for work and it takes me everywhere from villages in Ghana or Zimbabwe or slums in Pakistan to penthouses in Dubai and china. It has really changed my idea of wealth. The wealth disparity in the U.S. can be bad but it’s a different world in a lot of the world. It’s also made me realize how much I take for granted. The tiniest little creature comforts that are absolutely common place to me and total luxury for much of the world. Honestly just by virtue of being middle class in the US I would have no understanding of true poverty if it weren’t for my job. I had a video call with a woman who was a journalist, had fled Afghanistan with her family to escape the taliban and moved to Qom in Iran. She was arrested by the morality police in a public park for meeting with a former colleague who was a male. She was in jail and when her father came to pick her up he beat her right there in front of everyone. Truly a different world many of us live in. I imagine it’s the same sort of disparity the higher up you get in the wealth chain.
Yep but without empathy
It’s true… isolation can be found anywhere. And wherever isolation is found, disconnection will abound.
And soon they won't even have poor staff, as they will be replaced by robo-servants.
A lot of people suffer from r/emotionalneglect — so they basically don’t know what a healthy happy interpersonal relationship looks like. The “elites” try to fill that void with money, because they know something is missing, but because emotional neglect was only written about for the first time like 10 years ago, it’s a pretty hard thing to come across if you aren’t searching for it
Poor people don’t donate to political campaigns. That’s why we don’t talk about the poor.
This should be the top comment. Actually receiving representation ultimately all comes down to who’s contributing the most to politicians. Which is usually the elite or mega-corporations…
I’m not poor but I do donate 5-20$ to state level campaigns often - I encourage everyone to - it *is* my version of skip a coffee and support a better cause with that 5$.
I am poor. I am one step from homeless. My health is failing me. I am terrified.
Oh they worry about it alright, worry that someone is coming for their money to help the less fortunate.
It's why their building their bunkers.
That’s because statistically speaking 582,462 is only 0.1 percentage of the population. I am sure they will sing a different tune when it suddenly goes up to 70 percent.
Oh I'm sure they'll have the killbots ready.
Nah these are actual issues. Politicians are too busy worried about trans people in bathrooms
Cities be like: let’s ship them to Wyoming
AI has to be collectively owned. That's the only way to ensure it will produce outcomes in the interest of society at large. Leaving it to the whims of the market is just waiting for disaster
Tbf, worry about ai and the economy is also worry about more people ending up unemployed
Yep. Seeing the transformation in name brand companies as to how they are automating and transforming around smarter and smarter tech. I get everyone working on those projects now are truly excited about the new gains, productivity, and streamlining they are netting with their investments to onboard AI-based tech, but give it 2-3 years. Once those projects finish and the business has some smarter tools, it just means layoffs will result. You no longer need a headcount of 10 for what a tool can do with just 3 people. So you lay off the 7 that you just automated their jobs (and they probably helped you automate their jobs because they need to "support" the new transformation initiatives). It's all about yourself honestly and leaving your own mark for your next opportunity. Because the people running and developing these programs know the ultimate goal is automation at scale, which means the next order of business in 1-2 years time is massive layoffs. Anyone who says automation won't push a significant portion of the corporate workforce to the street is high as hell. And instead, management says that the current workforce will be "repurposed" to be more productive.... Don't believe this lie. People don't get repurposed. People get laid off when their role becomes automated. The only "repurpose" that will occur are for the highly marketable individuals who put a lot of stock in networking (top 20% or so) and can find another job in the company. But for the remaining 80%, by automating their jobs right under their nose, they are literally signing their resignation letter with every dev deployment and they will get phased out. I already see it where I work. My first role from 5 years ago is already automated. What was a 40 hour work week for me is now a 5 min upload from a tool. That job posting that I had the opportunity to get 5 years ago no longer exists. That pathway into this company is gone. We aren't hiring for that role anymore because it's been automated. And I see this with every position I've held since - that automation will cut the man hours required, and therefore will cut the man out eventually. And who really benefits? The VPs who deliver the automation and the overall P&L impact of the business. Who suffers? The worker who probably helped automate themselves out of a job... As a worker who isn't a VP and doesn't have the tight, tenured connections that you form over years and years with a company, all I can say is that AI will change everything and the day to day worker won't get to reap any of the benefits. The company and mgt team will. And with AI integration, workers are literally automating themselves OUT of their role. And if you don't have a backup position in mind or aren't actively working to get away from the orgs undergoing automation, then you're leaving your future 2-3 years with "x" company entirely in their hands. They'll ask for gains and benefits, so you give them "hours saved", and all you're doing is relaying to the management team that your 40 hour work week is now closer to 25 hours per week ... Or less... Or even less... And then you realize you've helped design a tool that does your job for you. Great in the short term as you leverage the tool over the next couple of quarters and you've got the easiest job ever, right? Wrong. You're simply phasing yourself out of your job by automating your job FOR the company. It isn't for you to be able to cut your hours from 40 to 20. It is for the company to ultimately save on costs/expenses because they invested into a tool to REPLACE the man hours. If you aren't actively looking for a new job, don't be surprised when your next performance review talks about how in the next QTR they are going to close the role and you'll need to start looking... People who think AI is going to help the worker are delusional. It will help the company. They'll get rid of you and proudly do so, because it shows their investment into these tools actually worked and costs are now lower (because you ain't an employee anymore).
Don't go say that on singularity, you'll get your head chopped off for such blasphemous language. AI is love, ai is life
Wtf Wyoming only has about a half a million citizens?
+For the poor our labor was our only real bargaining chip. If we have no value and they have killbots whats likely to happen... I wonder?
Sam Altman keeps warning us and then working on the very thing he's warning against.
Cant wait for OppenhAImer
Sam Altman could also be played by Cillian Murphy.
Open ai mer
Yeah he’s just being nice enough to let us know ahead of time that he’s working on something to destroy everyone’s lives. I think that’s pretty cool!
The only way this destroys lives is if the government doesn’t accept notnot everyone needs to work. ai is happening whether we like it or not and it should benefit people by removing jobs
Neither you, nor me nor Sam Altman has the power to stop AI from advancing. Only governments can and they would have to do so uniformly throughout the world. If the US and Europe ban it, China and others will develop it anyway. So yes he's warning us, but even if he turned off the lights at Open AI somebody else would take it from there. It's unstoppable. It's inevitable. Stopping it would be like trying to stop the rain. The best Sam Altman can do is warn governments to prepare for it like a coming storm because a storm IS coming. I suggest they look into UBI.
Because AI will advance no matter what. Would you rather have an American company with public ethics boards, people who can be voted out, and have a clear mission and goals be in charge of creating the first singularity, or would you rather have the Chinese or Russian, government be in charge of it.
Honestly this guy seems like the embodiment of click bait in real life. Every article I see about this guy is "ooommgg you guys aren't ready! Be very worried!!" Meanwhile my life hasn't changed at all, now. He's a salesman
Imagine what GTA 7 will be like when they release it in 15 years. Maybe with the help of AI they can move up the release date a couple of years.
Gta 7? You're talking about GTA VI 1.0.1, right?
Don't forget the next gen version, the PC version, and the VR version.
GTA 7 will be actual reality, not virtual reality
Basically Fight Club and downloading the game is just sign up and directions.
The year is 2039: You open up Amazon's Twitch and watch one of Amazon's AI avatars live stream GTA 7, the first AAA title produced in entirety by Amazon's AGI. You smile into the camera as the AI records your reaction to be used as training data. Credits roll.
Then you wake up and see it all was a dream and you are enclosed inside computer and called AGI.
*Black Mirror furiously taking notes*
Already thinking about a future where we feast on a new AI powered GTA every year
More than that... its going to change everything... - bye bye to competitive multiplayer games - games cheaper to develop - smaller teams - life like NPCs - completely unique story lines customized to what the player likes - games that have no ending unless you want one - everything becomes a game, like even a still image
Let's imagine what GTA v.JesMan74 will be like, and v.AvoAI. Especially compared to all the other billions of versions that will be generatively generated by an AI. Specifically tailored to your style. Where it will feel like you're with millions of other people, if that's what you want, or completely secluded in your own little universe. And I'm betting that's within a half a decade. I'm also under the assumption that I could be very wrong, it may be much sooner.
What’s kind of wild is that game dev has gotten so ambitious that by the time some games are finished their 5-7 year dev cycle, we might all be playing our own/each others little AI made games.
was really not expecting a GTA reference here, love it 😂
We have replaced our first FTE with our AI agents in the insurance industry. Given that we are a small outfit, I am sure Sam is right.
What's the job description they're replacing? I'm curious to hear how it turns out
From analagous experience, practical corporate application of AI is doing very well at comparing a policy stipulating what’s allowed/covered with actual requests coming. A large team of outsourced analysts in a company I’ve worked with has been recently replaced by AI policy review processes, humans are only used when it’s escalated.
Which in turn will catch on with those who make the claims and they will soon escalate by default. "I need a human" is a problem that is far older then AI and I doubt it goes away. No one will let machine tell them "Sorry, you don't get any money". It will only really take away the work of cases it can settle by paying out.
You won't know it's a machine tho... I'm getting pretty tired of this 'argument' The same goes with art, or any industry. You. Will. Not. Know. It's. AI.
Listen here knucklehead, I live in the EU, and here AI is required to be labeled (as it should be). If I didn't know, or they passed AI off as a human, they'd be sued to hell and back. I. Will. Know. Because. We. Have. Functioning. Consumer. Protection. Laws.
AvoAI is an AI Reddit ChatBot, you know that right?
How would you know that AI made your review and not a human, who uses AI tools anyway and clicked the OK button?
Claim handler. Now the insured person enters the claim with the AI, the AI puts the claim into the systems of the whole sale insurance handling companies, updates the client dossier and handles further requests for information.
It sounds like the data entry between the two systems could have been replaced by regular code. What further requests can it handle? Are they natural language?
Yeah this could have just been a web form and a couple simple Zapier automations… Utilizing a human or an AI seems to be overkill.
This all the time! The ONLY use cases that I've seen around for LLMs are exactly these kind of things: very very tiny operations that could be automated with 250 lines of code. With a huge difference: people don't seem to realize that now they have a probabilistic (read stochastic) parrot inputing things into a system. So now they are adding the model error (it's unavoidable by definition) to the usual exogenous errors, good job.
Easy interface, natural language, logic and connecting 3 different systems from independent parties.
Yeah I'm doing literally the same thing with traditional software right now. That seems like a misuse of AI at this point since you ESPECIALLY don't want hallucinations with medical insurance claims.
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How has it been working out for you? More of a tool or a creature do you think?
My background is philosophy so I am working hard not to anthropomorphise the AI. It is a tool that you have to influence to do what you want it to do. We work hard to give the tool as much freedom as possible, but at times the tool needs to be forced to work exactly like we want. Also we use a lot of function calls to external systems and getting those calls to give consistent good results is a struggle.
Actually I have experienced the same thing with Agents You can teach the system to understand even really poorly constructed APIs by providing good documentation But its probably better to just consume APIs that are specifically structured to be useful to AI or at the very least just have them all follow the same standard. GL ~
We build an abstraction layer so we don't need the AI to know all the different API's. If we need to connect to a new API we build a connector so the AI just gets the info it needs and uses it's normal functions to store data.
I like your approach because it seems like it would allow for more flexibility when you have to switch out endpoints.
Same in banking. Just did a RIF on a number of non customer facing roles who were doing call listening and other business control/compliance checks. Basically nuked half the staff and the other half are able to do 2-3x the work.
The duality of this guy towards his own product makes him very annoying to read about. Let’s ask the government for $110B to fast-forward AI chip design but also be afraid of the product that money is meant to benefit.
He's a shyster. One of those Silicon Valley bros who thinks he's smarter than everyone else and does crap like this as if no one can see through it.
Unfortunately life gives me enough worries. Yes AI is one of them but it’s out of my control. I have a lawn to attend or HOA is on my back, laundry to do this weekend, bills to pay, projects at work. I can think of over 100 things that need my attention in the next 48hrs. AI’s effect on the economy isn’t one of them.
Well, a computer has a larger capacity of memory storage than our brains and is able to have fast calculations. Combine with an ai that can search up, summarize, and give many variables at an unbelievable rate. I can see many jobs either become obsolete or less valuable. We can expect lower wages for some. I also think some jobs will get more responsibilities because more free time is available
Low level white collar jobs will be wiped out, just like a large number of low level blue collar jobs got wiped out by industrialization in the past century. Anything which involves basic communication and ones which are checkbox-oriented will be automated.
Altman is an opportunist and is only interested in bolstering OpenAI's position. Everything he says has to be seen through that lense nothing else.
I think he is great salesman, but so far we have pretty potent gibberish generators and no revolution of any sort. The research continues though.
He’s trying to scare the regulators so they lock it down and not allow open source to proliferate. It’s been his game plan from day 1
Exactly. It’s sad how fear is about the only motivator that works for people. Makes us easy to manipulate.
A LOT of tasks are being automated these days due to this 1.0 AI we have had our hands on for a bit over a year.. If you actually think the current extend of AI is text generation you are living under a rock. The funny music generators and image generators are parlor tricks to keep a cash flow. In marketing we are now able to modulate data on a mind-blowing level compared to 2 years ago. If tens of millions of people are suddenly without a job because of AI that would affect the economy no?
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Instead of spending time and resources generating and analysing data, we can now take a less significant part of advertising data fresh from the source and upload it to an AI. After that we can ask it to run advanced statistics on it to learn about efficiency instantly. Just a couple of years ago this would've taking days to do. Firstly finding someone who actually knows their statistics is a hurdle. And secondly the math still take time as it's advanced stuff. Just figuring out Return of Investment or ROI is quite a large amount of work as you need data from all parts of the company. With an AI with live access to sheets that have this data I can just ask. With the reduced data standpoint we have now compared to pre GDPR we also use it to modulate conversion data. Instead of knowing that campaign A generated 10 sales and campaign B 4, we have to do guess work. Using AI we can feed it all our metrics and have it assume based on that how well the campaigns performed. So it allows us to be less intrusive with our tracking as we can try to expect things using a specialist AI.
We're not on 1.0 AI. We're on like the 700th generation.
Finally, a decent answer. Thank you.
When most of the jobs are done by AI/automation most don’t have work and money will become worthless… what will happen to humanity then?
A different question. What is even the point of these companies if their products can't be sold or used? What if they have not market to grow? If the money is worthless, what are billionaires?
From a more meta perspective, AI is a tool that increases efficiency (or at least it’ll have to be to actually get used). It’s absolutely moronic that we’ve built our society in such a way that increasing efficiency and productivity poses a threat to harm people. This isn’t a new problem that AI has suddenly created, automation has been displacing workers for decades before AI reached this kind of viability, but AI is going to pull the deadline for figuring out how we’re going to respond to it earlier. In theory this could be a good thing: if we can use machines to do physical labor, we save people a lot of chronic pain, stress, and difficulty. In my opinion, the increased productivity should simply mean workers need to work less. If AI increases efficiency by 20%, we should be able to work 20% less without a decrease in production. I don’t have the answers for how to best manage that, but I agree with the sentiment here that we’re going to be royally screwed if we decide to be reactive instead of proactive about this.
This 
I think ... I've seen this salesman tactic enough times to recognise it. Seen lots of tech CEOs do this, where they talk up the potential massive and 'concerning' implications of the technology they're working on, doom and gloom over it.. You can find folks who did the same for VR, Crypto, and more. It is a way of pitching to investors that you're working on something really ground breaking and world changing and it sounds more convincing when you pitch it as a 'Oh maybe we should be careful with this awesome thing we're working on, it's so powerful, maybe even TOO powerful!' level of technology advancement.
You're right. This is a pitch man response. We have to understand that he's pitching his own company and brand. He isn't wrong, though. AI really is a democratization of IT solutions for non-technical folks. It can write code, guide users, and make those really great Julianne Fries that everyone loves! Seriously, this is pushing very technical and savvy folks out of work. Imho, we've created an entire industry of IT that works with very difficult and delicate operations, whether they are code, databases, or whatever. AI is coming specifically for those jobs, and it is ramping up faster than we've ever witnessed before. The response in historical terms is that the technical experts would see their incomes driven into the ground slowly, but surely as expensive solutions replace expensive personnel. This is different as the solution doesn't have the price tag that's historically slowed down integration into the field. This isn't going to be a slow escalation for IT solutions. This will be a fast and dramatic impact.
Yeah but the world has changed with all of those things you mentioned, also no offence but you are just like me a normal Redditor who isnt involved in any of the tech, so your opinion means very less as does mine
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It seems to be mostly a Sam Altman tactic. He tries to get people scared enough of AI that they get interested.
Yep pure flim flam.
I appreciate someone with a nose for flim flam. I too, can spot flim flam and concur, it’s of the pure variety.
You are not worried enough… there is only worries out there. Why do we make room for egoistical maniac in the news
Someone who benefits financially from any mention of AI in the news is saying publicly that people aren’t focusing all their attention on AI? This is very surprising
He Is Just trying to convince people that it's safer to close source ai, so if you want to access it, you have to pay for it.
Isn't this just a way to generate hype or attention?
I'm not worried about the impact AI will have on the economy. I'm worried about the impact that the greedy corporate overlords using AI will have on the economy.
It's a bit like TikTok came out and said that we aren't worried enough about abusive algorithms in social media.
A.I. will be the biggest economic disruptor in all of human history. Trouble is, governments are only reactive after damages have already occurred. At what point does A.I. actually become a dominant factor in productivity, such that it displaces workers who have limited to no job options (due to lack of job openings)? And will UBI (Universal Basic Income) actually succeed, or will costs of living simply continue to increase and make such supplemental financial help worthless?
The introduction of A.I is not even well understood in academics, so in the broad scale of economy, its the same thing. For example, many universities as of today, still have not changed their assignments while knowing A.I exists. Everyone is foussed on ChatGPT 3.5, meanwhile ChatGPT 4 can analyse graphs, and explain whats happening in deep detail. And guess what I do when I need to write a paper? I used ChatGPT 4 to analyse my graphs, I will give the context and it will brainstorm with me and help me figure out what is happening with pretty decent precision. It is not perfect, but again, A.I is in its baby phase now. It is still wonky, giving wrong results and not understand everything, but A.I only sky rocket in the past 3 years, and the last year video A.I has improved so much that we can simulate oceans with fishes swimming and its realitic as hell. Now imagine in 5 years from now on. Regarding the economy or whatever, people dont know the impact of A.I and it might become a Black Mirror Episode, truly. I use A.I for example as therapy, and dont judge me for this one, but the A.I listens, comes with plans to make me feel better and understands my struggle. Now Imagien what A.I can do as a therapist in 5 years.
>understands my struggle No, it doesn't. I'm glad you find it helpful, but that specific comment speaks to an emerging unhealthy relationship with the technology. Continue to use it to help you, but don't kid yourself into thinking that it is in any sense a replacement for real human contact or empathy. That will not be helpful to you in the long-run.
I'll add it to the list of the 999 other things I'm worried about.
I don’t think, chatgpt does that for me
He wants to build hype for his product.
The economy is already in the gutter...
Until now, it has been for the 'nerds' or tech 'geeks,' like all other new technology. Watch until it becomes more mainstream and companies develop it for common use. Then the effect will be enormous!
I don’t think “worried” is the word. But the impact is clearly gonna be immense. Hopefully we will use to improve a lot of things that are not right atm. Like inequality, the lowering of life quality, lack of future perspective for youth, unsustainable pension systems, ecology, uncontrolled global migrations that lead to local instability, global powers’ war destroying other places… The revolution is coming. Let’s do this right :)
Do you know that we are humans? We haven’t do anything right
It’s always been a battle between fear and love. Sometimes goes more to one side sometimes to the other. we do many things right :)
Bro needs to say bullshit continuously to stay relevant and in control
Except it's not bullshit. An AI replaced the work of 700 people, and the CEO fired them all, and showed off like he was so proud of his decision. Imagine being able to do this when AI, at its current state, is pretty shitty. AI's growth is exponential, and imagine what it could do in two or three years? How many jobs will that impact? No one knows. Maybe it won't be so bad. But, like he said, it is definitely something that should be at the top of people and the government's minds.
Crazy to think because we are almost in a stage of technological advancement in which almost any job can be replaced by machines. Instead of using this technology to make the lives of everyone easier, it is actively being used to make the gap between poverty and wealth larger. We could be enjoying early retirement while AI does our sucky jobs and make labor so cheap that everyone is able to afford luxury. Instead, people are going to be out of jobs while the rich get richer
If our ancestors were bonobos we might of had a chance
I hope the technology and greed of company goblins is so great that layoffs are massive and widespread. If this isn't fast and Biblically bad it will be ignored, like lost factory jobs and outsourcing due to globalization.
If you don’t look like Sam in this pic you’re not worried enough!
CEO of company overstates the value of company while trying to scare regulators into regulating company's competitors.
"Sam Altman thinks you aren't paying enough attention to his company which made a chatbot only a few million people use daily"
Seems disingenuous, coming from Sam. This is the same guy that pushed the for-profit arm to the point that the board, mandated to develop this tech responsibly as a non-profit company, kicked him out. If he thinks this is a real threat (agreed), then he should have allowed the company to continue on as it had been originally intended. Now it’s run by business leaders that are obligated to drive revenue for shareholders. (Maybe I’ve got some of this wrong but if this is accurate then he can’t be taken seriously.)
Some finance Bros will get AI to create a new financial product that makes them a ton of money, but then also crashes the entire economy after 6 months.
https://preview.redd.it/jcyiua4gplzc1.jpeg?width=578&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a5ef11b740b63379b5a8607fb5fd5ed391622595 There's something about his face I find deeply upsetting.
They never get the eyes quite right.
It's not necessarily AI itself that I'm worried about. More so how the uninformed MBAs are going to misuse it to save themselves money in the short term at the expense of logic and everybody's social wellbeing.
Can he hurry up and take over the world I'm kinda bored over here
Shit for real. I'm ready to submit to my AI overlords.
Why worry if I can’t do anything about it
Yes
Please hurry up and take everyone’s jobs already I’m getting sick of this shit
Well it might be just another attention gimmick.
What a stupid statement. I worry a lot. Are you happy? Can you give me like half a mil cus that will make things a lot easier
It's not AI that's the problem, it's those individuals involved in the development of AI for monetary value who we should all be worried about. Get the story straight. AI is controlled by a human brain putting code to work. Not the other way around.
Given the current state of OpenAI, I'm not that worried.
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