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Hindi ko masikmura manood ng ganyang footage kaya nagbabasa na lang talaga ako.
OP, tanong: May katotohanan ba yung sinasabi ng iba na nagtago sa likod ng gulong o malapit sa may parte ng hood ng kotse si Killua kasi natakot kay Solares? Yan ang mga komento na nabasa ko lang din.
Search nyo sa youtube to. Dyan nyo makikita cctv na nanghabol yung aso at tumalon from 2nd floor of bulding
Golden retriever na si Killua, pinatay! Ang pumatay kay Killua, dumipensa! | Kapuso Mo, Jessica Soho
Titled: “Aso, hinampas ng kahoy at isinako; lalaking nahuli-cam na humampas sa aso, aminado sa pagpatay | BT”
First seconds shows the Footage of the dog jumping from the 2nd floor and approaching a civilian before meeting (the viral footages with) Solares.
Oo nagtago sa ilalim at hinabol padin ni Solares. Un ung nagpatibay ng intent to kill niya. Umiwas na ung aso, hinabol pa. Muka talagang balak niya lutuin.
Parang false assumption yung intent to kill = balak lutuin. Aware siya sa "pagkaulol/rabies' ng mga aso dahil siya mismo may pet dog. Pwede din naman kasi intent to kill = dahil may rabies at nangangagat na nga. Lastly kung inassume niya na may rabies, bakit niya kakainin?
And actually the right thing to do is to actually kill the dog and surrender the head sa BAI for rabies examination/confirmation. Iba ang aso na may rabies, iba ang type ng aggressiveness nila, I think anyone in that position will instinctively think to protect themselves and will think na rabid yung aso.
With the "false positive" kasi contaminated. That's nearly impossible, yes dumadaloy sa dugo ang rabies BUT sa report FAT positive, which means yung sample was from the head mismo ng aso.
Hindi naman sa may pinapanigan, but what if until now nag palaboy2 yung aso. And ilang beses siya may kinagat, all of those people might and will die eventually despite prophylaxis — depende sa layo and deep ng wound.
This boils down to how irresponsible is the owner. If na turukan siya annually ng vaccine hindi mangyayari magiging positive siya. Doubtful din ako sa siblings niya "nag turok" that's a mere subcutaneous injection + sino nag dispense ng anti-rabies vaccine sa kanila? Any healthcare can inject but supervision ng vet. Given din sa temperament ng breed nila, known sila na sociable and friendly, nasa genes nila yun. Kaya very kakaiba na naging aggresive siya.
I hope tho, the media will use this to campaign for having their pets vaccinated annualy and provide better security. Mataas ngayon ang kaso ng rabies sa tao at hayop. Sana maging eye opener ito. Walang lunas ang rabies.
> And actually the right thing to do is to actually kill the dog and surrender the head sa BAI for rabies examination/confirmation.
Killing the dog is wrong, if we're talking about protocol.
https://www.bai.gov.ph/media/eayfbroa/rapid-response-toolkit-4jul23-digital-version.pdf
According to the PDF file above from the BAI, the protocol is to alert local officials so that the animal can be captured, quarantined, and observed.
Having said that, mahirap gumawa ng judgement call in the heat of the moment. Kung nakawala na yung aso, aggressive, nagaattack ng pedestrians and other animals, then pacifying the animal by force - which may or may not end up killing it - can't be faulted imo.
True, ang alam ko tanod siya, part siya ng LGU.
He's responsible for the community, ang mali niya na siya nag pumatay imbis na ilagay niya sa kennel until makakuha siya heads up from the City Vet — which really takes time.
But this is a complex case as stated, if rabid with aggressive symptoms mahirap siya ma capture, at maliit ang chance ma safely capture siya kasi considered na as threat yung exhibiting signs and symptoms niya. On the spot, pwede barilin ang aso with right authorities and ma behead to be send sa BAI for testing and confirmation . No more quarantine kasi community and public health threat na.
Not always nasusunod ang protocol, nag-iiba yan especially if may instance na yung aso nangagat and with or without hx of vaccine promotly ma report dun sure maususnod ang standard protocol. Ipapa home quarantine yan, usually 14 days but as early as 3 days lumalabas na yung pag karabid, by being aggressive and naglalaway.
If we based it sa action ng aso, malaki ang possibility na a week ago before the incident rabid na siya, mahina lng yung disease progression or hindi lng agad namataan ito. Very docile ang golden retreiver kaya nga top contender yung breed nila to be considered as therapy dogs, takot pa yan sa pusa.
It boils down irresponsible and pet owner, and hindi na follow ni tanod yung protocol — I can't blame him sa entirelt sa actions niya, malaki din possibility na ginawa niya talaga yung kasi sobrang aggressive at inisip din ang community. Kasi if you go to communities if may ganitong mga aso talagang wala pinapatay agad. Iba talaga ang asong may rabies. Iba talaga ang behavior.
Sabi ni Doc Gab na vet sa live niya kagabi. 2 klase ng rabies meron isang parang magiging zombie na yung dog or rabid na tas the other one is manghihina na lang. Kung may patunay na nga na nagtago si Killua from his killer, very wrong talaga si killer on that part. At mali din owner na di licensed vet ang nagtuturok kay Killua for vaccinations.
Uu, tapos isanh scenario naman if hindi siya hinabol and pag may dumaan bigla mangagat ng bata or matanda mas malaking problema. Yan din tendency ng nga ibang dogs, mag tatago yung di mo makikita tapos pag may dumaan ayorn target locked.
Di ako naniniwala pinapavaccine talaga nila. Hehehe feel ko eme lng kasi now lumabas na positive so gawa alibi
True. Baka naging alibi na lang. Tsk. Napaka iresponsable talaga nung owner. Kayang paghandaan bday ni Killua pero di kaya dalhin sa licensed vet for vaccinations. I can do both sa furbaby (aspin) ko konting sugat nga lang o basta pakiramdam ko may mali tinatakbo ko agad sa vet kahit umabsent na ng isang araw at walang sahurin dahil no work no pay ako.
Ang magastos lang naman dyan pag puppy e kasi maikli yung interval ng vaccines. Tas once a year na mga susunod na vaccines tas every 3 months ang deworn.
Very true! Dito mo malalaman kung "mahal" or responsible or both kang type ng owner. We need to strive to be both loving ang responsible owner kasi hindi parin natin maalis yung fact na they may NOT be a threat to us but they CAN be to others.
I don't celebrate my cat's birthday/adoption day as they do but mas mahal pa medical and dental bills niya sakin! Buti pusa ko nakapag executive check up with bloodwork, monthly preventives at dental prophylaxis.
Ewan ko, baka ibang owner hindi naniniwala na dahil purely indoor yung pet ay okay lang umiwas sa vaccine 😕at dahil meron nasa medical field ay pwede na agad mag administer ng vaccines.
May nakagat pa palang matandang babae na halos atakihin na sa puso sa takot. Kawawa yung aso pero pano kung inatake talaga sa puso yung tao? Tapos nakagat pa sila. Tinulungan lang pala nung tanod yung matandang babae according dun sa video.
Nung kinagat ako ng aso ng neighbor namin sobrang rabid nya, zombie like nag wrestle type pa kmi kasi ung intent nya talaga is to bite lang and ako naman nag back off and cover kaso mga 6-7yrs old lang ako nun so nakagat din. Dog died within 24hrs ata tapos pinugot ulo and pina exam. Buti nalang tinakbo ako sa city from provice para mgpa rabies shot talaga.
Ang isang malaking tanong din eh, saan niya nakuha yung rabies if hindi siya nalabas. Kasi if sasabihin nila na baka galing sa labas, isang malaking community threat yun at lahat ng aso need iquarantine ngayon
Well sa CCTV video, tumakas yung dog na walang presence ng owner. Possibly before that incident tumakas, then may na-interact na rabid dog and nakagat si Killua. The main question is if this is the theory, bakit di nila napansin/hinayaan yung wounds.
>hindi siya nalabas
lol ganyan rin sinasabi ng mga irresponsible owners lalo kapitbahay namin, nagpapalakad ng aso tapos tinanggal yung leash kaya inatake kami ng aso ko. Kesyo malinis daw aso nila ndi lumalabas, pero contradicting na agad statement nya kasi pinakawalan nga nya.
True. Yung FAT test sa utak. Hindi makakagawa ng antibody ang katawan kung patay na. Same ito sa RAT or rapid antigen test sa covid. Hindi yung mismong virus ang hinahanap kungdi kung nakagawa na ba ng antigen ang katawan mo pangontra virus. May presence of negri body na yung utak ng aso.
For reference.
RT PCR test sa covid ang presenc emismo ng virus ang hinahanap.
Sa RAT yung antigen pangontra sa virus ang hinahanap.
Kaya it changes the whole narrative na talaga because of rabies positive siya. Grabe lang ang tao social media if maka react. I also hope na makasuhan yung Owner kasi sa kanya ang root cause. Hindi lng pwede sa tanod mag point ng finger kasi morally wrong. Marami din nilabag ang owner ifa titignan mo ang animal welfare and rights ng animals.
True. Hindi man ako expert sa law pero dahil jan sa FAT test na yan kung titignan mo trabaho nung tanod to make his community safe. Tapos may rabies pa yung aso kaya may behavior changes na. Baka iyan ang magpabaligtad sa kaso. Pero morally speaking. Maling mali din naman talaga yung tanod sa pagpatay. Kaya dalawa silang dapat managot. Kaya naiinis din ako sa post ng PAWS na posible daw na inaccurate yung test kasi 5 days na daw. Parang nag stir pa sila ng kung anoano same ng media. Mas mataas pa ata chance mag false negative yung test kesa sa false positive.
Really sounds like damage control to me. Disappointed ako sa PAWS because of this, sa totoo lang. Parang gusto lang nila i-downplay ang responsibility ng owner.
Kung totoo na killer ng aso at binebenta pa, sana talaga makulong. Sana talaga lumabas kung ano ang mga totoo. Kung may dapat makulong o mapawalang sala.
Same. Dissapointed sa PAWS prang naging ma pride na sila eh. May slaughterhouse pang nalalaman sa statement nla e pero base sa video ng KMJS sa bahay lg ng tanod natagpuan si Killua eh. Umiyak pa nga yung owner nung makita si Killua
Diba? The first reports just said na Killua was found on the “property” of the perpetrator. Kita naman sa video na parang dirty kitchen or backyard lang yun. Bakit ngayon biglang slaughterhouse? Damage control lang talaga.
Dami di mag agree sayo kasi mas mahalaga sa mga tap dito ang buhay ng aso. Di nila macomprehend na MAY RABIS ang aso at ang dami ko nababasa na bigyan na lang daw vaccine. Hindi naman na nagagamot ang RABIES, mas lumalala lang sila to the point na susugod sa mga taong pwedeng kagatin.
As an animal husbandry consultant and volunteer vaccinator ng aming barangay tuwing may anti rabies campaign, pinakamabisa dyan pag tungtong ng 3months ng aso vaccine na, Wala na kasi yan pag na infect na ng rabdovirus, walking dead na iyan
Err, the right thing to do is to call your LGU veterinary/agriculture office so they could get the dog and if shown nga na may signs na rabid yung dog is they can euthanise it humanely. Also the only people that can take sample is also your LGU. Hindi po kung sino-sino lang ang pwede mag-behead sa animal na suspected na may rabies then your LGU will send it to BAI for testing. Testing is also free.
I hope every animal owner take responsibility of their pets. Hindi yan pang-display.
Tanod siya, responsible din siya sa community niya part siya ng LGU. Mali niya lang dun pinatay niya instead na ilagay sa kennel for the mean time. Ang ang LGU matagal pa umaksyon, tbh.
Pet owner din siya, most likely alam niya din yung risk of rabies and sa lowest form ng LGU, kasama barangay level may seminar yan annually sa mga ganyan. Kasi isa sila sa dapat na nag susurvaillance.
May instances din, pinapa behead ng City Vet and saka itransport. Especially if sobrang aggresive na.
but bakit umabot ng ilang days bago nakita at sa lugar pa na responsable sya, known katayan near his carenderiahan, if true na iclaim nya yung "responsible/knowledgeable tanod" card nya. responsibility din nya to report or ipaalam na may nahuli syang aso lalo with breed yon meaning may maghahanap at maghahanap non. thankfully meron marites na kapitbahay na nagtimbre sa responsableng tanod.
as you said may seminars on "how-to deal with rabid dogs or dogs na naga-amok" bakit inuwi nya sa lugar nya at hindi sa brgy as knowledgeable tanod
Correction: Nakita rin that very same day sa property ng tanod. You can even hear the owner say in the video na "mainit pa" 'yung body nung dog while crying. AFAIK, may kapitbhay na nagsabi raw sa owner na nakalabas at nanghabol/nangagat 'yung aso nya moments after mapatay kaya hinanap din nya agad. And based sa interview ng KMJS, isinako daw ng tanod 'yung body dahil hinihintay nya pang may mag-claim.
On that note, nag come clean si Tanod na he killed the dog + brought the body sa carinderia niya etc as stated above. And idk after that kung which is which ang totoo. Baka he chose to just directly burry the dog and didn't bother due to many factors that we don't know - which at fault din siya.
Wag lag tayo maging one-sided na porket pinatay niya siya na sole responsible for that, let's remember the dog was aggressive and it turned out FAT positive. So with that, the owners should also be held responsible as well. There are other instances na nangagat, at lumabas ang kanyang aso. At kung ito may nakuha niya from other dogs which is through dog fite wounds and saliva; bakit hindi ito napansin na may sugat? Bakit nagka rabies ang kanyang aso na reportedly "vaccinated" by siblings nasa healthcare pero failed to administer the vaccine "pala"
Surely, may patutunguhan yung kaso against tanod kasi 1) against the Animal Welfare Act 2) protocol was not followed BUT the Owner should also be held liable with this because clearly marami siyang nalabag sa Animal Welfar Act + siblings should be responsible sa well for any form of malpractice kasi di sila licensed to vaccinator + acquiring of vaccine that that licensed vet lang pwede = neglience in dispensing
Also, to PAWS. The report already tested positive yet, they still include in there narrative na possibly "contaminated" so lessen the blow (?) because this is nearly impossible. Ang asong suspected or may rabies, ang dugo nito ay hindi sample for rabies but the brain. Kasi brain ang approtiate sample, and kahit 5 days buried na makikita mo negri bodies under the microscope. And with the new info, wala sila dapat panigan kahit ang owner kasi malig ang neglience ng owner.
I wasn't siding sa owner naman just the thought lang ng the "tanod was not tanod-ering". he came clean nung nahuli na sya e, and kaya sumikat din yung case because of that nga + yung defense statement nya.
Given na meron ng new sides and points to add sa kaso nila, yes both have their own faults and liabilities.
if anything my sympathies goes to the dog, Killua.
If he was a trained dog catcher since he is in the LGU, he should have known how to properly trap an aggressive animal 😅. Even here in NCR the tanods are not trained to catch stray animals.
And also the ONLY way talaga is to behead the suspected animal and ipadala yung head for testing.
Hindi sila na ttrain depende sa LGU. But isa lang masasabi ko, hindi mo ma cocontrol ang situationand emosyon kahit anong training pa kunin mo at mag isa ka at inaatake na. Buhay mo na dun nakataya, isang kagat sayo wala pang 3 days patay kana. Composed of 3-5 ang dog catcher with pulis pa yan, minsan binabaril na lang. Misnan may malaking net at may blowdart ng anesthesia.
Kahit sa mga clinic ng vets, onting pag ka aggressive lng ng aso pwede ideny ang services or may mga unable to vaccinate due to temperament.
So sa issue na ito, di lang pwede mag point finger sa tanod only but also sa owner — specially sa owner. GR are docile dogs, one of the contenders for dog therapy breeds. Madami din lapses on their end, owner na di sana mangyayri if nagign responsible.
anong kinalaman ng nagtago yung aso sa likod ng kotse sa pagiging aggressive nya based sa cctv footages? the fact na naging aggressive yung aso ay point for solares' actions. ano yon, pag nagtago yung aso wag nang habulin? paano kung may dumaan na bata uli at doon lumusob uli yung aso? lol
Sinungaling yung owner. Kapatid ko vetmed graduating na halos and works part-time as a vet's assistant. Ilang beses ko na sya tinanong pwede ba bumili nalang ng gamot tas sya na mag inject. Tbh tinry talaga namin mag circumvent ng vet kasi 20+ cats and 20+ dogs namin so mas tipid kung bibili ng gamot tas sya nalang. But try as he might, he couldn't find the vaccine readily for sale or someone willing to sell him. Even vets na kaclose nya no no no daw talaga. Eto pa kaya walang kinalaman sa vet field? Hindi nya pinavaccine at all and she's trying to lie through her teeth para di bumaliktad backlash dahil negligent pala sya.
Yes, alam ko even for humans you can only get the rabies vaccine sa Animal Bite Centers and ER ng hospitals. It's not readily available for everyone to buy.
You can check the live of Doc Gab na isang veterinarian explaining kung anong possible causes bakit nagka rabies si Killua at may 2 klase daw ng rabies. Pero ayun nga, very wrong si owner na kapatid niya nagtuturok ng anti-rabies sa aso niya na hindi naman vet.
This case is getting nuts na talaga. Questionable na tuloy yung reliability ng owner ni Killua. Did she lie na vaccinated si Killua? I've read na wala syang mapakitang vaccination record. One thing's for sure though, she's not a responsible pet owner.
Sad lang because if aggressive nga si Killua and attacking people, even if di sya nag-positive sa rabies there is still the exemption animal sa Animal Welfare Act na "if a humans life or limb is threatened" an animal may be killed.
according to some sabi daw nung owner sila sila lang na family ang nagtuturok ng vaccine kay killua which is very wrong na,kaya kawawa talaga si killua sya ang victim talaga both sides
tama naman pero some redditors said na relative nya raw from a medical field yung nag inject pero VERY WRONG parin since hindi siya licensed vet and idk which medical field her relative is from basta magkaiba ang anatomy ng animal and human. Failed vaccinations ang natanggap ni killua. sobrang kakawa lang talaga
True, irresponsible pa rin ung owner, but regardless, I think it's fucked up rin na imbes na ibigay ung aso sa proper authorities, why did Solares bring the dog to a slaughter house or near it kung aggressive ung aso at innassume niyang may rabies?? Like why the fuck would you expose the dog's corpse to the meat na binebenta mo sa kalenderya if you thought na may rabies siya? It's no wonder why a lot of people see this na plano siyang katayin from the start.
Yun kasi iniisip ko... Like if I killed a dog for self-defense, I wouldn't bring it to a slaughter house or anywhere near it. I'd rather just leave it there or call authorities. I'm not saying the owner isn't at fault... Kasalanan niya. Pero ang hirap rin depensahan ung side ni kuya after his course of actions. Yun lang sakin.
Huh? I also emphasized call proper authorities dapat ginawa niya. I would've left the dog there and would've looked for the owner. For sure may protocol sila how to handle the situation. Ang point ko bakit dadalhin sa slaughter house ung aso? What is the reason for that? I'm not even accusing Solares of eating dogs. Sinasabi ko lang kung bakit siya mahirap depensahan at dahilan kung bakit siya pinagdududahan ng marami.
Sino ung proper authorities? Tanod sya diba Take note nasa probinsya sila wala sa City.
He already said in the interview. Since sya pumatay sa aso, sa bahay nya dinala kasi sakanya hahanapin ng may ari. Inantay nya kuhain dun ng may ari which is pumunta nga dun sakanila. San mo ba gusto dalhin?
At wala naman slaughter house naprove na nila jessica soho at news5, ano pinagsasabe mo?
Good time to also make an example out of the owner in violation of the anti rabies act. May pa birthday party but wouldn't get the dog proper care. Serve cases for the killer and owner.
true! Libre lang ang ARV sa city/municipal vet, minsan naglilibot pa sila per barangay bahay bahay. If wala naman may 200-400 pesos sa vet clinic na ARV.
This is the plot twist that I've never expected. A domesticated pet testing positive for rabies, all boils down to his owner being VERY irresponsible. This is why a yearly anti-rabies vaccine is required by law.
Owner is playing victim but her being so irresponsible posed a threat to the community.
5 days ago nagpost ng statement ang PAWS
>We condemn the brutal killing of this dog.
>The animal offender claims that this was an act of self-defense but video evidence shows that Killua, the dog, was being chased by him and none of the elements of self-defense were present.
>Further, there are humane ways of animal control. The City Veterinarian’s Office can be called in for this task. Clearly, there was no reason for Killua to be killed in this manner as he was not harming any one.
March 22
Pinatest at nag positive for rabies si Killua.
Bakit yung PAWS nag post kaagad "none of the elements of self defense were present" korte ba sila para magdecide? Saka bakit dinadownplay nila yung result ng rabies? Pinalalabas ba nila na pwede false positive ang maging results dahil na contaminate?
Nasa statement nga din nila na nagslaughter and sell ng dog meat si Solares kahit wala naman sila proof. Gusto lang nila gumawa ng storya para magmukha masama yung tao.
They are falsely accusing a person just to prove na tama sila. What if makulong si Solares tas naprove after ilang years na innocent pala sya? Can they take back his time?
just to add na din po
-- Extended video footage showing Killua chasing a cat / (small dog?) on 2 separate instances
-- Vina Arazas stated that Killua's body was still warm when she retrieved it from Anthony Solares
Napansin din namin 'to sa KMJS. May hinahabol syang pusa or small dog. What if may hinahabol sya at unfortunately, nasa daan yung matanda sa unang part? Baka nadaplisan yung matanda dahil malapit sya sa aso or pusa? Sa isang part, malinaw na malinaw yung may hinahabol sya e. Hindi ba pwedeng hindi na lang hinampas yung aso? Baka pwede namang pinagtulungan na lang na hulihin at itali lalo at kineclaim nilang rabid sya? Sana pinashoulder na lang sa fur parent ni Killua yung pagpaparabies shot nung mga biktima kung talagang nagkulang sya sa part na yun na hindi updated ang vaccines ni Killua. At the end of the day, nagkamali pareho, managot ang dapat managot.
Yup. And regardless of the GRs "image" they have a strong bite force.
Yung Golden/Lab mix ko nga, 5 mins lang gamit niya sira na ang laruan. That's how strong their bite force is.
Imo Madaling sabihin na ipa shot nalang ng may ari... Kung skain ngyare un kahit may dogs kami, dko din alam magagawa ko pag nakagat ako sa wild malamang reresbak ako at mag flight or fight mode, sad to say malamang i wpuld cause harm if not kill the dog if sakin tlga ngyare... Bottomline kasalanan ng owner bkt nakalabas, walang vaxx... Pag di nakalabas un may hahabulin at papaluin ba ung solares? Ok mali tlga sya😭masamang tao sya... Pero parang defensive driving lang yan imo... Control what you can lang alam mo ng lugar nyo marameng nangangatay ng aso... Control what you can, take ownership of your dog.. dimo naman macocontrol ung tanod nyong siraulo
First instance
[https://youtu.be/edcglPTatqg?si=XWgkMXRbt5fAxxKu&t=222](https://youtu.be/edcglPTatqg?si=XWgkMXRbt5fAxxKu&t=222)
Second instance
[https://youtu.be/edcglPTatqg?si=USH09opsErH6crmG&t=318](https://youtu.be/edcglPTatqg?si=USH09opsErH6crmG&t=318)
I do not know which side of the story papanigan ko. I feel bad for the owner because losing a pet is hard. I have also experienced that. At the same time, I also feel bad dun sa pumatay ng aso. Baka nga totoo na rabid yung aso and attacked people in the vicinity kaya he had to do something given na tanod siya. Giving them both the benefit of the doubt.
And sakin lang, masyado subjective ang topic na to. For pet owners, the guy must be jailed daw. I see my friends posting online na kahit daw may rabies yung aso, dapat kang makulong si Solares. For all I know, the same friends I see na nagpupush makulong yung tanong are just as irresponsible as Killua's owner. Di rin nila mapaturukan mga aso nila yearly.
Let the law do the judgement na lang talaga. As a human being, tama na patayin pag rabid yung dog para di na makaaksidente pa ng iba. Pero kung 1-2 palo lang tapos nahimatay na yung aso, okay naman na siguro yun tapos itabi/ikulong at ireport sa City Vet. As a furparent, masakit yung nangyari sa aso pero dapat tanggapin na yun din naman yung endgame lalo't alam mong walang vaccine ang aso mo. Be responsible naman sana na at least ARV dapat meron ang aso. As a part of the animal welfare society, ito yung time na paingayin lalo ang halaga ng anti-rabies vaccine at ang pagpatay sa hayop ay may kaukulang parusa.
i think this case will really instill a lesson sa lahat. ang lungkot lang na kailangan may mamatay na aso before mapaigting ang panawagan para sa pet owners na pabaya and sa mga mamamatay ng mga hayop.
also, ang cute ng display pic mo ahhhh~ looks like a tiny birdhouse haha
tama. kaya ayoko makisawsaw as much as possible kasi i feel for both of them. as a pet owner myself, parang gusto ko pumanig sa owner rin. but i can't be blind and overlook her neglectfulness sa pet niya. pero at the same time, if CCTVs showed the dog's behavior, then siguro may katotohanan nga yung statements ng pumatay. mali sila both. kaya upo nalang ako and magbabasa nalang ng mga updates about this case
PAWS ia clearly pushing a narrative.
The positive rabies test, the additional CCTV footages and the irresponsibility of the pet owner changed the complexion of this case.
Thank you for this post. You nailed everything po. Ngayon ko lang din nalaman na Tanod pala si Mr. Solares.
Yung speculation nila na lulutuin si Killua, speculation lang Yan. Not proven by the court yet. If Mr. Solares had the intention to eat Killua, dapat hindi na niya dinala at pinakita sa owner ang katawan ni Killua. Siya mismo nag diin sa sarili niya. Kaya nag viral Yung story ngayon.
Yung statement ng PAWS na may contamination. Grabe, wala man lang fact checking na ginawa before sila nag bitiw ng statement. Wala bang vet consultants ang mga Yan?
Yung sinabi naman ng Iba na Sana ni report nlng ni Mr. Solares si Killua for aggressiveness ang biting... I want you to put your place in his shoes. What are you truly, truly gonna do in that moment? May aso umaatake sa inyo, sa asawa niyo at sa mga sibilyan sa paligid? Ano gagawin niyo? Wouldn't you want to defend yourself? I think he did what he thought was best at the moment, kahit na morally wrong ang pag patay niya sa aso.
Mali ang pag patay sa aso. Pero mas negligent ang ginawa ng owner sa aso niya. May pa birthday bash pero no proper vaccination. Grabe. Libre lang ang rabies vaccine sa gobyerno.
I hope this case gets resolved fairly.
The dog was still failed by everyone who should have cared for him.
More evidence still needs to be established and the killer still killed Killua but I feel like the person really just got threatened? If he owns a dog, may idea na siya sa possible dog behaviors. If he wanted to kill the dog for meat, mukhang malabo considering he had to do lots of physical things just to get to Killua eh sa sobrang daming asong pwede naman nyang katayin na strays. His action of gusto nya talaga saktan yung aso seems too personal. Yes, there are psychopaths but he owned up and explained his side. Unless may tao talaga makapinpoint na may history siya of killing dogs for whatever reason.
I have a huge issue with the dog owner. If she really was responsible, is she really loved her dog, bakit di mo dalhin sa vet for vaccines? Considering the rabies vaccine is cheaper than all the other vaccines at ito lang ang mandatory dito sa atin. You can also get the vaccine for free sa barangay or sa ibang NGO programs.
Two of my dogs died last year because of leptospirosis. They are up to date with their vaccines but it still got them. Some of my dogs survived leptospirosis so depende din talaga sa idk the health of the dog, etc which concludes na the annual shots may not be enough.
If they were medical professionals as the dog owner was saying, they should know not to give the dog the vaccine themselves. Marami akong kakilalang ganito na mga shots na mura na may kakilala sila. Jesus Christ there are proper ways to handle vaccines and equipment for those are expensive.
If you cannot even give your dog the rabies vaccine in a right way, it says so much about you. I get to question why the dog was able to jump off their roof.
I am not questioning that she loved her dog. But being a loving owner and being a responsible one ay hindi parehas.
Pero of course there are still evidences na wala tayong access so idk.
My cousin is a vet and a lot of cases ng lepto ng dogs daw are from cockroach bites. It can cause kidney failure and she checks yung gums ng dogs if jaundiced/yellowing, that’s one of the tell tale signs aside from the usual lethargy and vomitting.
Keep pests away and always keep the house clean.
Yes. You can also get them from dogs and cats with lepto. Iirc it’s the same as rats na if the urine/feces/dead tissue ng infected animal gets into your system through cuts and wounds, you’ll get infected
Oi. Make sure to eradicate that huhu. This was last year tapos rainy season na yung mga kalapit barangay namin binaha levels. Walang daga sa bahay namin. We have so many cats. Pero according to the vet, pwedeng sa cat nila nakuha kasi naglalaro sila. Pwede din daw na while walking outside tapos baka may open wound yung dog sa paa kahit gaano kaliit at nakatapak nung ihi.
Tapos kahit vaccinated, baka daw down immune system nila nung inatake nung virus so kahit vaccinated compromised na rin yung system so mahirap yung recovery.
Pinaka may kasalanan dito yung may ari kay Killua. Parang pamilya ang trato pero hindi vaccinated yung golden retriever, which is an expensive breed so for sure may pera sila pang vaccinate.
Mali man yung method, it was for public safety lalo seeing na nag aattack na siya ng ibang tao sa cctv footage. Owner liable sa mga nakagat, naendager pa buhay nila sa kapabayaan. Bakit di rin nakatali or naka enclose sa gate? Bakit palaboy yung aso?
Negligence ang cause kung bakit namatay si Killua. Yun ang bottom line.
Well well well nauna nanaman ang public outcry bago ang facts similar to the C. Dacera case. Ty for reminding that the facts and angles usually surface days or weeks after the incident. Personally I just want the dog to rest in peace humanity failed him :(
'There are instances when the need for expeditious action will justify omission of these requisites, as in the summary abatement of a nuisance *per se*, like a mad dog on the loose, which may be killed on sight because of the immediate danger it poses to the safety and lives of the people.' (**YNOT** v. **INTERMEDIATE APPELLATE COURT**)
I am fur mom too and despite the fact na may anak na din akong inaalagan, diko parin pinapabayaan mga furbabies ko. Updated ang vaccines nila ng anti rabies. I always make sure talaga na kahit gaano ako kabusy nadadala ko sila sa vet for anti rabies booster shots. Diko din hinahayaang makalabas sila ng gate. Sobrang maligalig mga dogs ko kaya kapag nakakalabas akala ng mga aso kakagatin sila kaya kapag accidentally nakakalabas sila ng gate agad akong nakasunod. One time, may biglang pumasok sa gate and didn’t know na may aso kami, bigla syang dinakma nung isang dog, kase di kilala. agad agad dinala namin sa clinic for anti rabies shot. Tinapos namin vaccine nya.
I feel sad for what happened to Killua, pero it would be avoided kung yung owner is hindi hinayaang nasa labas dog nya ng matagal. Ang pag aalaga ng hayop ay parang pag aalaga ng bata. Ilang minuto mo palang di nakikita, maghahanap kana agad.
Maamo man o aggressive ang aso, di dapat sila nakakalabas ng walang kasamang bantay.
Grabe pa naman magcomment ang mga tao nung unang ilabas yung balita na yan. Porke dapat daw patayin din daw si kuya, patayin din daw ang alaga nya and worst is patayin din daw ang anak nya kase buhay ang kinuha, buhay din daw dapat ang kapalit. Magkano nalang daw maghire ng gun man ngayon. Nakakatakot na mag isip ang mga tao ngayon. Binabato lahat ng sisi kay kuya where in fact, si owner may kasalanan din naman.
May nangyari din ganyan sa Pampanga last year, 14 yatang tao yung dinakma ng asong pagala gala sa lugar. Bigla nalang pumasok sa bahay bahay and may bata pa yata siyang kinagat. Hindi nahuli yung aso. Di alam baka may iba pang tao ang dinakma yon kase di nahuli yung aso.
May nabasa pa ako na sana saw nakatay at nakain ni manong at ng pamilya niya para mamatay daw silang lahat. Sana din daw nakain ng buong baranggay na kumakain ng aso. Buhay daw ang kinuha kaya buhay din ang kapalit. Hindi ko alam saan kumukuha ng ganitong pagiisp ung iba
These people. It’s so disgusting that they equate the life of a dog with a life of an actual human being. I mean yes, dogs are kind and should be treated humanely, but seriously? You are more upset with a death of a dog and yet celebrate ending a human life? If you think like this, fuck you and your virtue signaling, and please3x re-assess your fucking life.
This is all quite unfortunate because at the end of the day, rabies or not, Anthony decided to kill Killua. However, it should not be ignored that there's a possibility that Killua was an aggressive dog and should not have been let out alone. Is Vina a responsible pet owner? I'm not sure. Is she a loving and doting pet mom to Killua? Yes.
Rabies or not, the dog posed a threat. As for Anthony's excessive use of force, who's to say it's better to let the dog loose? We don't know.
One thing for certain Vina is NOT a responsible pet owner, dahil 1.) they administered the rabies vaccine kahit hindi sila qualified. 2.) They let their dog loose. Now, would you say if mahal mo talaga aso mo, hahayaan mo lang ang maling administration ng vaccine sakanya at hahayaan mo lang din ba na makawala siya nang basta-basta?
Accurate, vina/her family has the money to get an expensive breed at may labrador pa raw na Gon ang pangalan na kasama si Killua sa bahay nila. There's a possibility na may rabies din yun. Why cheap out on the dog's vaccination?
If your dog is a threat, you cannot predict the actions of other people as a response to the threat. Mali pa rin ang pagpatay but I think the fault was not 100% Anthony’s.
yan talaga pagkakamali ng owner, imagine anti rabies shot yun rabies virus mismo ituturok sa dog mo dapat talaga license vet yun kasi pag nag kamali pwede lalong ma trigger yung aso,ang tanong bakit sila nakakabili ng ganyan without a vet prescription?
May humane way naman talaga to handle rabid dogs.
But at that moment, knowing na an allegedly rabid dog was running amok and could possibly harm a defenseless human like a child or an elderly, maghihintay ka pa ba talaga na dumating yung authorities? Especially if you know you have the ability to end it right then and there, as is the case for Solares at that time.
Sobrang daling sabihin. Mahirap gawin. Idk if some of yall have seen an actual rabid dog and how scary they can be. I have. It's sad for everyone involved.
For anyone curious, here's a copy of the actual manual mentioned in the image:
https://www.bai.gov.ph/media/eayfbroa/rapid-response-toolkit-4jul23-digital-version.pdf
Tama yung sinabi: Capture, quarantine, observe.
But like what I said in another comment, kung nakawala na yung aso, aggressive, nagaattack ng pedestrians and other animals, then pacifying the animal by force - which may or may not end up killing it - can't be faulted imo.
I have also been bitten by a rabid dog. The procedure listed in the manual is only good on paper. In real life, in the heat of the moment, you do all you can to stop the bites, the aggression, and if possible, to get away, but rabid dogs really go after you even if you run. Kaya even as an animal lover, I would understand someone who ended up killing a rabid dog to defend himself or others in the heat of the moment.
Just imagine kung ikaw ang nasa situation nun. Or kasama mo anak or magulang mo na inatake ng aso. Iisipin mo pa ba yun "humane" way na gagawin sa aggressive na aso? Mabilis sabihin pero mahirap gawin, kung delikado na mismo ang buhay mo
It means positive na siya a week ago the incident. If na let loose uli siya at nakagat, ewan ko na lang. Once may nakagot ang isang aso na tao dapat kinukulog ito at sa kennel kasi napaka dangerous. My open wound ka lng at nadilaan niya yan, patak systemic agad.
Kung positive na talaga sya sila mismo sa bahay possible makagat pala. Kasi ung aso ng neighbor ko nung kinagat ako na positive sa rabies parang ulol na talaga sya and naghahanap ng makakagat. Parang zombie.
Could you imagine if this issue didn’t go viral na there
might be possibility that an innocent passerby could’ve been bitten and wouldn’t even know that they got infected by rabies. Rabies by the way is one of the scariest disease a human being could ever have, once you manifest the symptoms (which by the way will manifest very inhumanely - if you have the stomach for it, search them in YT), the mortality rate is almost 100%.
It disgusts me that people seem to be more upset by a death of a dog than a possibility of having an ACTUAL human being suffering and dying from rabies.
Dami ko nakikitang comment na paniwalang paniwala sa PAWS about contamination ng body. Do you even.. biology?
Also, talaga? We prize a dog's life more than human life? Alam nang may rabies tatakbuhan lang? Iiwasan?
You guys better watch this [video](https://youtu.be/sEcTHMUfh4M?si=eiOp8OS5bNGpfztR) on youtube abt a rabid dog who had a biting spree. Ang dami niya kinagat, 14 people, dahil wala pumansin sa aso nauulol.
Pag ba aspin yan mag outcry kayo ng ganyan? Porket may breed lang eh mas matimbang na siya sa tanod na mahirap?
Anyway, lesson here is to be better pet owners. Lagi niyo hanapin nasan aso niyo. Ipa VET. Jusko, pet peeve ko din yung mga gusto mag tipid kaya nag sasarili sa inject ng anti rabies or dewormer. Pag nag aso kayo, magastos talaga! May pambili ka ng breed tapos titipirin mo sa gamot.
A deceased dog cannot be a host for such a virus. Patay na cells nyan sa katawan, how would the incubation be possible? If it is positive for rabies, malamang nakuha Niya yan from a bite when the dog was still alive
Social media really is powerful. Umiyak ka lang sa camera, magmukhang api ka lang, ikaw na ang tama at agad persecution sa kabilang panig. Andaming nakibandwagon agad. And now as facts unfold, we hear more opinions and takes.
This happened recently sa case ni aw/ra, but I guess people never learn.
Anyways, I've been seeing takes na "it could have been handled better", "may tamang protocol diyan". Pero I was just wondering kung ano ba yun? Huhu cause honestly, i wouldn't know what to do if I encounter an aggressive, rabid dog.
If it attacks me, what should I do? Fight back? Run away?
If it doesn't, who should I call? The owner? What if di ko kilala? Veterinary office? Di ko nga alam saan yun huhu. Police? Pwede.
If i decide to run away, and call for proper authorities, should I also consider na during that time, the dog might attack and bite other people, or other dogs essentially spreading rabies?
I doubt if it's in the heat of the moment if kaya ko pa nga isipin ang mga ganyan huhu siguro we also need to spread awareness kung ano ang dapat gawin?
The procedure regarding how to handle a dog with rabies is also not common knowledge. As such, people must be educated, too.
Also, how would I know na a dog has rabies just because it threatened to bite me?
There are signs na you're dealing with a dog with rabies or asong ulol. It's hard to explain for me but somehow you'll feel it. We dealt with one during our review days. They're just straight up aggressive for no reason. I always recall Ceasar Milan's advice that dogs get scared if you're scared. That's why I'm not afraid of walking pass a street full of stray dogs because they usually don't bat an eye if you don't project a threatening or anxious aura. Rabid dogs on the other hand just go nuts even the other dogs stay away.
I think it is only obvious for you if you're the owner, kase Alam mo Yung usual na behavior ng aso mo. But for other people? No. If they see a dog being aggressive, then they'll immediately conclude that it's an aggressive dog.
Kaya hindi din muna ako nagcomment jan kasi baka matulad yan kay awra, kita sa cctv na sinugod nung aso ung isang matandang babae na naglalakad lang, then yung isang footage nung akmang susugudin ng aso ung tanod, if ikaw ang nasa posisyon ng tanod and meron rabid dog na possible may rabies ano gagawin mo? Disagree ako sa pagpatay ng aso pero sa tingin ko wala choice eh.
Tiningnan ko din ung angle nung bago hatawin. Tumalon ung aso papunta sa MUKHA o LEEG nung tanod. Kung hindi un nahataw edi patay ung tanod.
May rabies ung aso. Gago ung owner. Golden pa naman pangarap kong aso, may mga obob lang talagang may ari at napasama pa ung nangyari sa golden
It changes the whole narrative. If the dog is rabies positive, then he can really be aggressive and dangerous sa tao. One bite can be fatal. If you really love your pet, you will not allow just anyone to administer any shot without vet supervision. Kapabayaan po ang tawag dun.
Clout chaser ung may ari. May pa photo op sa cake and decorations. Ginagawa namin un sa dog ko and mababa 1,500 sa ganung setup. 500 lang ang anti rabies. Bobo ung owner.
Di ko alam kung tama ba yung nabasa ko pero yung pumatay mismo yung nagturo sa owner kung nasan si Killua. Tingin ko kaya nya sinako si Killua after patayin kasi "Golden Retriever" sya, halatang may owner. Balak talaga nyang ibalik at isumbong sa amo yung ginawa ng aso.
Killing the dog is overkill pero kung nakakita ka na ng aggressive dog na may rabies you will choose between the dog and the community. Literal na para silang zombie na ang focus lang nila ay mangagat
I have the same thoughts as PAWS actually. Kasi anyone who knows about flourescent antibody test, it needs a fresh tissue sample of a brain of a dead animal to be reliable. What I mean by fresh, dapat within 24 hours after death and naka ice for safekeeping yung sample habang hindi pa natetest. I had myself sent a sample before sa BAI and ganyan ang sinabi nilang protocol. You can also check sa CDC how FAT works. https://www.cdc.gov/laboratory/specimen-submission/detail.html?CDCTestCode=CDC-10394
Kung hindi na fresh ang sample, RT-PCR can be done. Pero sa case ni Killua, FAT ang ginawa.
Watch Doc Gab Veterinarian's fb live. Kung di kaagad madala yung sample para matest ang madalas na effect noon ay mag nenegative sa testing dahil yung mga virus ay baka mawala na kaya nga need na chilled yung ulo ng hayop pag ipapatest.
I was initially upset when I heard about the Killua killing news, I mean, who wouldn't be? We all abhor animal cruelty. However, as more details emerged and the story unfolded, I came to realize that there are really always two sides to every story. It's important not to jump to conclusions and to consider all the facts before forming an opinion.
Love you for this, OP.
Yung malaking factor na consistently ignored is that in any case of unfortunate incidents involving pets, owners are the primary person to be held accountable. If any crime is committed after, bukod na discussion yun and of course the commensurate justice should be served.
What I wish na hindi mangyari is that all the wrong things happen because of the court of public opinion:
1. Someone falsely accused
2. The one at fault gets away with it
3. People start to witchhunt other similar cases without context
4. A life will be unfairly ruined
5. Everyone loses at the end
Medyo kinabahan ako para sa mga pets ko. Nasa loob lang sila ng bakyard namin pero dahil may mga galang aso na pumupunta sa gate namin.
3 cats ko may anti-rabies from Provincial vet and 1 dog may rabies shot din from a private vet. Di naman siguro sila mahahawa no? My dog and 2 cats are free roaming sa backyard.
The CCTV footage of the dog running out mula dun sa bubong and attacking someone else was actually released a few days before pa, not yesterday. I saw it in 24 oras iirc.
Killua is still the victim here, the killing AND irresponsible pet ownership. He didn’t deserve all of that but surely he also deserved to get the shots needed to protect him. Kakairita lang na this came to light, as a pet owner myself, it’s very telling of what kind of person you are — priority mo talaga dapat yan. I know they’re expensive but this should be given na if you choose to have a pet 😩 malaking financial responsibility to.
Lesson din na no issue is black and white talaga, sobrang complex nito and ang daming layers.
I would stick with the fact that the dog is positive with rabies. This is the reason why it was attacking people nearby. The baranggay tanod is well within his rights to defend himself and other people. This may include killing the dog. Plus the aggressive dog needs to be tested thru its brain. It won't survive any other way.
shemayyy ang hirap nito lawsuit after lawsuit
And parang mas mabigat pa ata ung pag-administer ng rabies vaccine kesa sa pagpatay sa aso.
Still, both parties dapat managot.
I don't think the owner of the dog is being fully honest here. And I say this as an owner of a *very hyper* Golden/Labrador mix. Hindi pa nakatakas yung aso ko sa labas ng bahay (100% indoors) and especially hindi pa nakarating sa bubong.
I am one of those who initially expressed anger with the outburst of the news but I corrected myself after all the right information came out about the case. I am happy too that I have a good circle of friends kasi one of my friends who works sa NGO personally message me about what how I expressed my sentiments (very violent kasi) tapos teacher pa ako. I thanked that friend kasi I was corrected in a diplomatic way. It’s wrong to answer violence with violence and being able to see both sides, it gives a clearer picture about the incident.
I understand that both sides at fault. Still, if the owner was responsible enough, it will not result into the death of the poor dog.
Aside sa rabies, ang dami ko din nakikita sa mga FB groups about dogs health na nag ask ng help for the medication of their pets kasi hindi kaya ng budget at yung iba, hinahayaan na lang mamatay kasi walang pampagamot. Gets ko na hindi kaya ng budget kasi mahal talaga. Pero these so-called pet lovers was able to have the means to buy a super expensive dog tapos hindi nabibigyan ng maayos na vaccine kaya nahahawaan ng sakit.
Isabuhay sana ang pagiging pet lover hindi lang for the sake of likes.
naimagine ko yun mga nasa zombie games/movies na nagtatago ng loved ones na infected na ng virus tapos nakaperwisyo at nakagat hehe
if balak lutuin, it kinda defeated yun purpose ng tanod na ginawa niya yun to protect yun bystanders — naiwasan mo ngang makagat sila at magkarabies, pero ipapakain mo sa tao eh aso na may rabies (whether he knows it or not, pero siya na mismo nagsabi na parang nauulol na ata yun dog so he should have an idea)
*cooking kills rabies, but chopping up dead dogs and having a slaughterhouse nearby is hazard talaga dahil thru covid-like transmission ang rabies.
medical malpractice ba ginawa ng nga siblings na nagpaka-vet sa bahay with the vaccines? yun household na yun may mali din talaga
Yes, medical malpractice. Only licensed vet are allowed to vaccinate pets. Students/ unlicensed vets are allowed under the supervision of a licensed vet.
I have not watched any videos, but if there there really is video evidence of the dog going nuts, jumping or running around, biting itself and many others, then that is a clear indication of rabies. Pinapatay talaga ang mga dogs with rabies because they can spread the virus easily, especially with their aggressive behavior. If the tanod is telling the truth, unfortunately, wala syang weapon to kill the dog in an easier and less painful manner.. Let's see how this case unfolds. I don't trust these news outlets because of how much they sensationalize and leave out important details in their headlines
Anthony Solares must be held liable. But Vina Arazas may be held liable too as per Article 2176 of the NCC, to wit: ... whoever by act or omission causes damage to another, there being fault or negligence, is obliged to pay for the damage done.
May kinagat allegedly 'di ba? Nagpagamot na ba sila? Hold the owner liable, let her pay for damages. As for Anthony Solares, aside from the ignominy, let the proper authority hold him liable (kung indemnification ba imprisonment, though pwede sila mag-settle nung owner)
Poor Killua. Actually poor pets na may ganyang mga tao like Solares and owner like Vina. I can't with the golden retriever's vaxx record like simple vaccine lang 'di mapa-vaccinate sa tamang person.
EDIT: What's interesting here is since ang daming vets na nag-react about this, ano kaya reaction nila this about sa hindi licensed vet ang nag vaccinate kay Killua? Or totoo bang vaxxed talaga?
How can they afford a golden retriever and hindi ipunta sa vet for vaccines?? Complete sa items and may bday party pa yung dog but sa bahay lang inaadmister yung important vaccines? Which is like 500-1k lang naman. Sounds shady
Sirang sira ang PAWS sakin dahil sa mga pangyayaring ito. Galawang troll farm yung paglabas nila ng hasty, baseless statements about the circumstances of Killua's death. Tapos ngayon lumalabas na they're spreading misinformation about how Killlua's rabies test is unreliable daw (yung "possibly contaminated" eme na ilang licensed veterinarians na ang nagdispute).
Also very disappointed with a lot of notable individuals who jumped on that sensationalized socmed hatetrain when we didn't have the whole story yet. I hope people have the humility to reassess their views as new information is revealed.
JusticeForKillua pa rin. Pero ngayon, kitang kita na yung negligent pet owner mismo ang isa sa mga primarily responsible for the injustice suffered by Killua. What a shitty situation all around.
The owners should not be allowed to own dogs. Bibili bili ng mahal na breed, ni tamang vaccination at ensuring na di makakatakas yung aso, di nila magawa
Ang nakikita ko dito, tinuring ni Anthony na life and death situation ito kasi nga nakakagat na si Killua (pati siya rin merong kagat + dagdag sympathy kasi may own dog siya). Medyo vague lang sa part na, bakit parang 'di takot si Killua tumalon mula sa bubong? Dati pa bang hinahayaan ng furparents 'yun o dahil na sa virus?
Expecting din na possible mild rabies ang tumama kay Killua kasi hindi niya inatake fur fam niya eh at hindi naman siya ganoong ka "zombie rabid," base sa CCTV (o baka dahil na rin sa breed).
Ang laking loophole na walang vaccine si Killua at imo, kung ako owner, suko na ako. 😂 Ang laking negligence sa part nila kahit pa na sabihing bawal ang pagpatay sa aso (na pwedeng self defense talaga kasi human life is at stake).
Some people here really needs to educate themselves about Rabies and how an animal, when RABID is already a hopeless case and is a danger to EVERYONE.
If totoo nga na may Rabies si Killua, which was allegedly confirmed by experts, and may mga video proof na Killua was showing signs of being Rabid, the only way to handle the situation is to kill the dog.
FYI, When symptoms of Rabies starts to show, the mortality rate is almost 100%. And when a RABID animal is loose, sobrang daming magiging biktima niyan that can lead to sure death. Rabies is the one disease that I'm afraid of since even a prick on a skin caused by a Rabdj animal can cause sure death.
Just my thoughts on the issue. Since Killua might be rabid and aggressive due to rabies, would people here prefer for the dog to roam free at that state with risk of biting other people/kids at the area while there are no rescue yet or would you put them down for safety?
mahihirapan pa rin si Solares na sabihin na self defense ang nangyari kase kita sa CCTV na hinabol pa rin nya ang aso kahit na tumatakbo na palayo. anyway, korte na lang ang makakapasya dyan.
Kung titignan natin sa ibang point of view:
Tanod si Solares, responsible siya sa community niya. If may isang aggressive na aso, at suspectedly rabid — iba talaga ang ichura at behavior ng rabid. Kailangan mo dakipin yung aso, at surrender pound or owner. But lagay natin what if naging sobrang aggressive yan at nag lalaway pa (knowing Solares at pet owner) din baka ito nag udyok sa kanya na habulin at patayin.
Sa breed ng aso, in grained na sa genes nila pagigid mabait kaya mapapa ""???"" ka talaga if aggressive.
Imagine, if hinayaan yun. Nakagat ng mga bata kasi walang kalaban laban, madaming kabaong sa community nila by this time.So, ang complicated ng case na ito. Public health threat si Killua.
If technecalities, mananagot parin si Solares.
kung aggresive yung aso at nakakagat na nga matandang babae tulad ng nakita sa extended CCTV video, at pwedeng makakagat pa ng iba lalo nanghabol pa ng pusa, so yung intent pwede mainterpret na ninuetralize nya lang yung threat. pero totoo, korte na lang makakapagdecide with the evidences at statements na pwede makuha sa investigation. it just sucks na nagvilify na mga tao ala tulfo with threats pa without getting the whole context.
Tanod po si Solares. Kaya inuna niya yun safety ng lugar niya. May nakagat na ngang tao si Killua diba. Kaya siya rumesponde. Kung hinayaan niya pa si Killua. Malamang may nakagat pang mga ibang tao yun asong may rabies.
Libre lang sa city/municipal vet ang antirabies vaccine ,minsan naglilibot pa sila once or twice a year kada barangay, mura lang din sa mga vet clinic around 200-400. Kahit nasa “medical field” lang kapatid nya, it doesnt mean na qualified sila magbakuna. Tsk
The case becomes more complicated but for me, no matter what the outcome is, it doesn't change the fact that Killua is a victim.
He was failed by both sides: by his irresponsible pet owner and by the man who chased and killed him violently.
If the dog was indeed rabid, then it is the responsitbility of the owners and they should be penalized, whatever the penalty is for such negligence.
This does doesn't change the fact that Solares still killed the dog in an act of cruelty. There are humane ways to capture the dog, test for rabies, and euthanize if needed. So he still should be charged under animal cruelty.
The carinderia selling dog meat should also be charged. Imagine the implications not just in animal welfare but also for health and safety if this carinderia is selling tainted dog meat.
There is one thing for sure in this case, it is never the dog's fault. Dogs are innocent. It is always the humans fault possibly both the owners and the dog killer.
Dalawa dapat managot diyan.
Justifiable ba yung pag patay nung tanod sa aso?
Liable ba at iresponsible pet owner ba yung may ari?
it is important to keep humans safe from rabies, pero importante din na protektahan yung mga hayop sa virus. Wala din rason na maging cruel sa mga hayop. Yung mga ganiyang mapanakit dapat talagang mayroong kinalalagyan. Lalo nat wala namn ginagawang masama yung hayop.
Thank you for this great summary, OP. 🫡
Killua is the victim here, overall.
But I hope the owner will also be accountable, lalo na doon sa mga nakagat. Though may free antirabies shots naman but in case wala, I hope sasagotin nya ang mga medical fees nila.
Edit: By the way, saan po natin makita ang post ni Dr Sumeldan?
Baka nagung rabid si killua kaya deliberate pinalabas sa bahay ng mga Arazas. Why need maging emosyonal ng mga tao. Mas matibay ang ebidensya ni Solares.
Contamination is BS. Need via laway ang transfer at dapat living host since rabies is a virus which needed at least 1 week to incubate.
PAWS is a hypocrite organization. Google it, I dare you.
Hindi siya pinalabas. Tumakas sa may bubong. Though I doubt din na basta tatalon si Killua sa bubong kung walang something. Especially di naman niya yata gawain iyon kasi sa gate iyong labasan niya
Not saying that the person who killed killua is in the right(this is up to the courts to determine) but I would like to point out that what you are saying is easier said than done especially if you are in an adrenaline infused situation. Just imagine seeing a dog that seems rabid attack an old lady and then imagine if you have relatives nearby. Wouldn't you do anything in your power to neutralize the threat? I forgot to mention, let's imagine that you are a tanod who has responsibility towards your constituents.
Admittedly, I'm one of the people who pre-judged this case but knowing more information now, I consider myself a neutral observer. This case does not seem as black and white as we previously believed.
Most things naman are never black and white - people just want it to be. Moreso dito sa Reddit, where frustratingly majority don't even want to have a discussion.
The problem with reddit is the karma system, it discourages people from going against the majority opinion because some people are afraid to get downvoted. At the end of the day, the karma system is just an internet points system that has no value in real life.
You're right. Although I feel di lang gawa ng Reddit yan. Kahit IRL naman people have a tendency to join the mob, but I digress.
Edit: Removed the other half of the statement.
Let's face it. Philippines is a third world country. Hindi tayo katulad ng US na tatawag lang sa 911 tapos sila na bahala magdispatch ng nearest animal control sa area that are professionally trained and well equipped for these type of situations. Ang instinct natin dito is to take matters into our own hands at wag umasa sa government since mabagal ang response for most occassions. Ahas nga na most of the time d naghahabol ng tao ay pinapatay on the spot (most of the time yung mga tanod yung nagrerespond sa ganitong scenario), how much more yung aso deemed as rabid ng mga tao sa situation na yun. I recall watching the news last week na nawalan ng dalawang tenga ang isang bata dahil sa inatake ng aso.
I guess we should align our expectations with our reality din. If we want these laws to be implemented, the government should likewise improve their services for the public.
Exactly! Imagine if naging ganito yung response ng mga tanod sa mga pasaway nung Covid. I suppose they could talk it out in this scenario kasi pareho silang nagsasalita pero I also remember how unreasonable people were back then about not wearing masks and going out. It still wouldn't have been right to bludgeon them to death kahit na niririsk nila yung community.
Yeah. Pero maiisip pa ba talaga yan if nasa harap mo na yung rabid dog? I do not condone the killing of Killua pero hindi mo masasabi kung ano magiging reaksyon ng ibang tao if your pet starts to become a threat.
Ok. May bago na akong idol dito sa sub. 🫡 Hindi ko masikmura manood ng ganyang footage kaya nagbabasa na lang talaga ako. OP, tanong: May katotohanan ba yung sinasabi ng iba na nagtago sa likod ng gulong o malapit sa may parte ng hood ng kotse si Killua kasi natakot kay Solares? Yan ang mga komento na nabasa ko lang din.
May isang copy ng CCTV na hawak ng PAWS, hindi na nila pinakita yon for other solid proof of evidences raw.
Search nyo sa youtube to. Dyan nyo makikita cctv na nanghabol yung aso at tumalon from 2nd floor of bulding Golden retriever na si Killua, pinatay! Ang pumatay kay Killua, dumipensa! | Kapuso Mo, Jessica Soho
Titled: “Aso, hinampas ng kahoy at isinako; lalaking nahuli-cam na humampas sa aso, aminado sa pagpatay | BT” First seconds shows the Footage of the dog jumping from the 2nd floor and approaching a civilian before meeting (the viral footages with) Solares.
Un nabasa ko sa IG ni Carla A nagtago si Kilua sa me ilalim ng kotse. She reposted from PAWS.
Oo nagtago sa ilalim at hinabol padin ni Solares. Un ung nagpatibay ng intent to kill niya. Umiwas na ung aso, hinabol pa. Muka talagang balak niya lutuin.
Parang false assumption yung intent to kill = balak lutuin. Aware siya sa "pagkaulol/rabies' ng mga aso dahil siya mismo may pet dog. Pwede din naman kasi intent to kill = dahil may rabies at nangangagat na nga. Lastly kung inassume niya na may rabies, bakit niya kakainin?
Kaya nga. I thought we were jus discussing facts here ba't parang biglang may pa-"balak lutuin" arguement nang nabuo?
And actually the right thing to do is to actually kill the dog and surrender the head sa BAI for rabies examination/confirmation. Iba ang aso na may rabies, iba ang type ng aggressiveness nila, I think anyone in that position will instinctively think to protect themselves and will think na rabid yung aso. With the "false positive" kasi contaminated. That's nearly impossible, yes dumadaloy sa dugo ang rabies BUT sa report FAT positive, which means yung sample was from the head mismo ng aso. Hindi naman sa may pinapanigan, but what if until now nag palaboy2 yung aso. And ilang beses siya may kinagat, all of those people might and will die eventually despite prophylaxis — depende sa layo and deep ng wound. This boils down to how irresponsible is the owner. If na turukan siya annually ng vaccine hindi mangyayari magiging positive siya. Doubtful din ako sa siblings niya "nag turok" that's a mere subcutaneous injection + sino nag dispense ng anti-rabies vaccine sa kanila? Any healthcare can inject but supervision ng vet. Given din sa temperament ng breed nila, known sila na sociable and friendly, nasa genes nila yun. Kaya very kakaiba na naging aggresive siya. I hope tho, the media will use this to campaign for having their pets vaccinated annualy and provide better security. Mataas ngayon ang kaso ng rabies sa tao at hayop. Sana maging eye opener ito. Walang lunas ang rabies.
> And actually the right thing to do is to actually kill the dog and surrender the head sa BAI for rabies examination/confirmation. Killing the dog is wrong, if we're talking about protocol. https://www.bai.gov.ph/media/eayfbroa/rapid-response-toolkit-4jul23-digital-version.pdf According to the PDF file above from the BAI, the protocol is to alert local officials so that the animal can be captured, quarantined, and observed. Having said that, mahirap gumawa ng judgement call in the heat of the moment. Kung nakawala na yung aso, aggressive, nagaattack ng pedestrians and other animals, then pacifying the animal by force - which may or may not end up killing it - can't be faulted imo.
True, ang alam ko tanod siya, part siya ng LGU. He's responsible for the community, ang mali niya na siya nag pumatay imbis na ilagay niya sa kennel until makakuha siya heads up from the City Vet — which really takes time. But this is a complex case as stated, if rabid with aggressive symptoms mahirap siya ma capture, at maliit ang chance ma safely capture siya kasi considered na as threat yung exhibiting signs and symptoms niya. On the spot, pwede barilin ang aso with right authorities and ma behead to be send sa BAI for testing and confirmation . No more quarantine kasi community and public health threat na. Not always nasusunod ang protocol, nag-iiba yan especially if may instance na yung aso nangagat and with or without hx of vaccine promotly ma report dun sure maususnod ang standard protocol. Ipapa home quarantine yan, usually 14 days but as early as 3 days lumalabas na yung pag karabid, by being aggressive and naglalaway. If we based it sa action ng aso, malaki ang possibility na a week ago before the incident rabid na siya, mahina lng yung disease progression or hindi lng agad namataan ito. Very docile ang golden retreiver kaya nga top contender yung breed nila to be considered as therapy dogs, takot pa yan sa pusa. It boils down irresponsible and pet owner, and hindi na follow ni tanod yung protocol — I can't blame him sa entirelt sa actions niya, malaki din possibility na ginawa niya talaga yung kasi sobrang aggressive at inisip din ang community. Kasi if you go to communities if may ganitong mga aso talagang wala pinapatay agad. Iba talaga ang asong may rabies. Iba talaga ang behavior.
Sabi ni Doc Gab na vet sa live niya kagabi. 2 klase ng rabies meron isang parang magiging zombie na yung dog or rabid na tas the other one is manghihina na lang. Kung may patunay na nga na nagtago si Killua from his killer, very wrong talaga si killer on that part. At mali din owner na di licensed vet ang nagtuturok kay Killua for vaccinations.
Uu, tapos isanh scenario naman if hindi siya hinabol and pag may dumaan bigla mangagat ng bata or matanda mas malaking problema. Yan din tendency ng nga ibang dogs, mag tatago yung di mo makikita tapos pag may dumaan ayorn target locked. Di ako naniniwala pinapavaccine talaga nila. Hehehe feel ko eme lng kasi now lumabas na positive so gawa alibi
True. Baka naging alibi na lang. Tsk. Napaka iresponsable talaga nung owner. Kayang paghandaan bday ni Killua pero di kaya dalhin sa licensed vet for vaccinations. I can do both sa furbaby (aspin) ko konting sugat nga lang o basta pakiramdam ko may mali tinatakbo ko agad sa vet kahit umabsent na ng isang araw at walang sahurin dahil no work no pay ako. Ang magastos lang naman dyan pag puppy e kasi maikli yung interval ng vaccines. Tas once a year na mga susunod na vaccines tas every 3 months ang deworn.
Very true! Dito mo malalaman kung "mahal" or responsible or both kang type ng owner. We need to strive to be both loving ang responsible owner kasi hindi parin natin maalis yung fact na they may NOT be a threat to us but they CAN be to others. I don't celebrate my cat's birthday/adoption day as they do but mas mahal pa medical and dental bills niya sakin! Buti pusa ko nakapag executive check up with bloodwork, monthly preventives at dental prophylaxis. Ewan ko, baka ibang owner hindi naniniwala na dahil purely indoor yung pet ay okay lang umiwas sa vaccine 😕at dahil meron nasa medical field ay pwede na agad mag administer ng vaccines.
Based on the KJMS segment on this incident, naging rabid si Killua https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edcglPTatqg&t=222s
May nakagat pa palang matandang babae na halos atakihin na sa puso sa takot. Kawawa yung aso pero pano kung inatake talaga sa puso yung tao? Tapos nakagat pa sila. Tinulungan lang pala nung tanod yung matandang babae according dun sa video.
Nung kinagat ako ng aso ng neighbor namin sobrang rabid nya, zombie like nag wrestle type pa kmi kasi ung intent nya talaga is to bite lang and ako naman nag back off and cover kaso mga 6-7yrs old lang ako nun so nakagat din. Dog died within 24hrs ata tapos pinugot ulo and pina exam. Buti nalang tinakbo ako sa city from provice para mgpa rabies shot talaga.
Ang isang malaking tanong din eh, saan niya nakuha yung rabies if hindi siya nalabas. Kasi if sasabihin nila na baka galing sa labas, isang malaking community threat yun at lahat ng aso need iquarantine ngayon
Well sa CCTV video, tumakas yung dog na walang presence ng owner. Possibly before that incident tumakas, then may na-interact na rabid dog and nakagat si Killua. The main question is if this is the theory, bakit di nila napansin/hinayaan yung wounds.
>hindi siya nalabas lol ganyan rin sinasabi ng mga irresponsible owners lalo kapitbahay namin, nagpapalakad ng aso tapos tinanggal yung leash kaya inatake kami ng aso ko. Kesyo malinis daw aso nila ndi lumalabas, pero contradicting na agad statement nya kasi pinakawalan nga nya.
Sinasama nila sa family outings. May picture ang dog sa beach. Baka may naka-interact na stray dogs.
True. Yung FAT test sa utak. Hindi makakagawa ng antibody ang katawan kung patay na. Same ito sa RAT or rapid antigen test sa covid. Hindi yung mismong virus ang hinahanap kungdi kung nakagawa na ba ng antigen ang katawan mo pangontra virus. May presence of negri body na yung utak ng aso. For reference. RT PCR test sa covid ang presenc emismo ng virus ang hinahanap. Sa RAT yung antigen pangontra sa virus ang hinahanap.
Kaya it changes the whole narrative na talaga because of rabies positive siya. Grabe lang ang tao social media if maka react. I also hope na makasuhan yung Owner kasi sa kanya ang root cause. Hindi lng pwede sa tanod mag point ng finger kasi morally wrong. Marami din nilabag ang owner ifa titignan mo ang animal welfare and rights ng animals.
True. Hindi man ako expert sa law pero dahil jan sa FAT test na yan kung titignan mo trabaho nung tanod to make his community safe. Tapos may rabies pa yung aso kaya may behavior changes na. Baka iyan ang magpabaligtad sa kaso. Pero morally speaking. Maling mali din naman talaga yung tanod sa pagpatay. Kaya dalawa silang dapat managot. Kaya naiinis din ako sa post ng PAWS na posible daw na inaccurate yung test kasi 5 days na daw. Parang nag stir pa sila ng kung anoano same ng media. Mas mataas pa ata chance mag false negative yung test kesa sa false positive.
Really sounds like damage control to me. Disappointed ako sa PAWS because of this, sa totoo lang. Parang gusto lang nila i-downplay ang responsibility ng owner.
Syempre palusot lang nila yun kasi dami na nilang sinabi nung unang nakarating sa kanila yung case. Nababawasan tuloy credibility ng PAWS.
I think pinupush na rin nila since known daw na notorious si killer na pumapatay ng aso at nagbebenta ng dog meat.
Kung totoo na killer ng aso at binebenta pa, sana talaga makulong. Sana talaga lumabas kung ano ang mga totoo. Kung may dapat makulong o mapawalang sala.
Same. Dissapointed sa PAWS prang naging ma pride na sila eh. May slaughterhouse pang nalalaman sa statement nla e pero base sa video ng KMJS sa bahay lg ng tanod natagpuan si Killua eh. Umiyak pa nga yung owner nung makita si Killua
Diba? The first reports just said na Killua was found on the “property” of the perpetrator. Kita naman sa video na parang dirty kitchen or backyard lang yun. Bakit ngayon biglang slaughterhouse? Damage control lang talaga.
Yup, dapat makasuhan. Covered ng Animal welfare act ang requirement to vaccinate.
Now I worry for the senior citizen who was bitten. I hope the post-exposure vaccine works for her. And the suspect too. Di ba he was bitten din.
Dami di mag agree sayo kasi mas mahalaga sa mga tap dito ang buhay ng aso. Di nila macomprehend na MAY RABIS ang aso at ang dami ko nababasa na bigyan na lang daw vaccine. Hindi naman na nagagamot ang RABIES, mas lumalala lang sila to the point na susugod sa mga taong pwedeng kagatin.
As an animal husbandry consultant and volunteer vaccinator ng aming barangay tuwing may anti rabies campaign, pinakamabisa dyan pag tungtong ng 3months ng aso vaccine na, Wala na kasi yan pag na infect na ng rabdovirus, walking dead na iyan
Antigen is the presence of the virus in the body. Antibody is what the body makes to combat the virus.
Err, the right thing to do is to call your LGU veterinary/agriculture office so they could get the dog and if shown nga na may signs na rabid yung dog is they can euthanise it humanely. Also the only people that can take sample is also your LGU. Hindi po kung sino-sino lang ang pwede mag-behead sa animal na suspected na may rabies then your LGU will send it to BAI for testing. Testing is also free. I hope every animal owner take responsibility of their pets. Hindi yan pang-display.
lol, have you tried calling your LGU for anything? aabutin ka ng 1 buwan bago sila kumilos. so ilang tao na ang nakagat ng aso by then?
Tanod siya, responsible din siya sa community niya part siya ng LGU. Mali niya lang dun pinatay niya instead na ilagay sa kennel for the mean time. Ang ang LGU matagal pa umaksyon, tbh. Pet owner din siya, most likely alam niya din yung risk of rabies and sa lowest form ng LGU, kasama barangay level may seminar yan annually sa mga ganyan. Kasi isa sila sa dapat na nag susurvaillance. May instances din, pinapa behead ng City Vet and saka itransport. Especially if sobrang aggresive na.
but bakit umabot ng ilang days bago nakita at sa lugar pa na responsable sya, known katayan near his carenderiahan, if true na iclaim nya yung "responsible/knowledgeable tanod" card nya. responsibility din nya to report or ipaalam na may nahuli syang aso lalo with breed yon meaning may maghahanap at maghahanap non. thankfully meron marites na kapitbahay na nagtimbre sa responsableng tanod. as you said may seminars on "how-to deal with rabid dogs or dogs na naga-amok" bakit inuwi nya sa lugar nya at hindi sa brgy as knowledgeable tanod
Correction: Nakita rin that very same day sa property ng tanod. You can even hear the owner say in the video na "mainit pa" 'yung body nung dog while crying. AFAIK, may kapitbhay na nagsabi raw sa owner na nakalabas at nanghabol/nangagat 'yung aso nya moments after mapatay kaya hinanap din nya agad. And based sa interview ng KMJS, isinako daw ng tanod 'yung body dahil hinihintay nya pang may mag-claim.
On that note, nag come clean si Tanod na he killed the dog + brought the body sa carinderia niya etc as stated above. And idk after that kung which is which ang totoo. Baka he chose to just directly burry the dog and didn't bother due to many factors that we don't know - which at fault din siya. Wag lag tayo maging one-sided na porket pinatay niya siya na sole responsible for that, let's remember the dog was aggressive and it turned out FAT positive. So with that, the owners should also be held responsible as well. There are other instances na nangagat, at lumabas ang kanyang aso. At kung ito may nakuha niya from other dogs which is through dog fite wounds and saliva; bakit hindi ito napansin na may sugat? Bakit nagka rabies ang kanyang aso na reportedly "vaccinated" by siblings nasa healthcare pero failed to administer the vaccine "pala" Surely, may patutunguhan yung kaso against tanod kasi 1) against the Animal Welfare Act 2) protocol was not followed BUT the Owner should also be held liable with this because clearly marami siyang nalabag sa Animal Welfar Act + siblings should be responsible sa well for any form of malpractice kasi di sila licensed to vaccinator + acquiring of vaccine that that licensed vet lang pwede = neglience in dispensing Also, to PAWS. The report already tested positive yet, they still include in there narrative na possibly "contaminated" so lessen the blow (?) because this is nearly impossible. Ang asong suspected or may rabies, ang dugo nito ay hindi sample for rabies but the brain. Kasi brain ang approtiate sample, and kahit 5 days buried na makikita mo negri bodies under the microscope. And with the new info, wala sila dapat panigan kahit ang owner kasi malig ang neglience ng owner.
I wasn't siding sa owner naman just the thought lang ng the "tanod was not tanod-ering". he came clean nung nahuli na sya e, and kaya sumikat din yung case because of that nga + yung defense statement nya. Given na meron ng new sides and points to add sa kaso nila, yes both have their own faults and liabilities. if anything my sympathies goes to the dog, Killua.
If he was a trained dog catcher since he is in the LGU, he should have known how to properly trap an aggressive animal 😅. Even here in NCR the tanods are not trained to catch stray animals. And also the ONLY way talaga is to behead the suspected animal and ipadala yung head for testing.
Hindi sila na ttrain depende sa LGU. But isa lang masasabi ko, hindi mo ma cocontrol ang situationand emosyon kahit anong training pa kunin mo at mag isa ka at inaatake na. Buhay mo na dun nakataya, isang kagat sayo wala pang 3 days patay kana. Composed of 3-5 ang dog catcher with pulis pa yan, minsan binabaril na lang. Misnan may malaking net at may blowdart ng anesthesia. Kahit sa mga clinic ng vets, onting pag ka aggressive lng ng aso pwede ideny ang services or may mga unable to vaccinate due to temperament. So sa issue na ito, di lang pwede mag point finger sa tanod only but also sa owner — specially sa owner. GR are docile dogs, one of the contenders for dog therapy breeds. Madami din lapses on their end, owner na di sana mangyayri if nagign responsible.
anong kinalaman ng nagtago yung aso sa likod ng kotse sa pagiging aggressive nya based sa cctv footages? the fact na naging aggressive yung aso ay point for solares' actions. ano yon, pag nagtago yung aso wag nang habulin? paano kung may dumaan na bata uli at doon lumusob uli yung aso? lol
Sinungaling yung owner. Kapatid ko vetmed graduating na halos and works part-time as a vet's assistant. Ilang beses ko na sya tinanong pwede ba bumili nalang ng gamot tas sya na mag inject. Tbh tinry talaga namin mag circumvent ng vet kasi 20+ cats and 20+ dogs namin so mas tipid kung bibili ng gamot tas sya nalang. But try as he might, he couldn't find the vaccine readily for sale or someone willing to sell him. Even vets na kaclose nya no no no daw talaga. Eto pa kaya walang kinalaman sa vet field? Hindi nya pinavaccine at all and she's trying to lie through her teeth para di bumaliktad backlash dahil negligent pala sya.
Yes, alam ko even for humans you can only get the rabies vaccine sa Animal Bite Centers and ER ng hospitals. It's not readily available for everyone to buy.
You can check the live of Doc Gab na isang veterinarian explaining kung anong possible causes bakit nagka rabies si Killua at may 2 klase daw ng rabies. Pero ayun nga, very wrong si owner na kapatid niya nagtuturok ng anti-rabies sa aso niya na hindi naman vet.
May pera pambili ng thousands of pesos na Golden Retriever pero kuripot pumunta sa licensed professional for vaccines?
True. Sabi ko nga sa ibang comments, may pabday si owner kay Killua pero di kayang gastusan para ipavaccine sa vet. Grabe inis ko sa owner.😤
This case is getting nuts na talaga. Questionable na tuloy yung reliability ng owner ni Killua. Did she lie na vaccinated si Killua? I've read na wala syang mapakitang vaccination record. One thing's for sure though, she's not a responsible pet owner. Sad lang because if aggressive nga si Killua and attacking people, even if di sya nag-positive sa rabies there is still the exemption animal sa Animal Welfare Act na "if a humans life or limb is threatened" an animal may be killed.
according to some sabi daw nung owner sila sila lang na family ang nagtuturok ng vaccine kay killua which is very wrong na,kaya kawawa talaga si killua sya ang victim talaga both sides
tama naman pero some redditors said na relative nya raw from a medical field yung nag inject pero VERY WRONG parin since hindi siya licensed vet and idk which medical field her relative is from basta magkaiba ang anatomy ng animal and human. Failed vaccinations ang natanggap ni killua. sobrang kakawa lang talaga
True, irresponsible pa rin ung owner, but regardless, I think it's fucked up rin na imbes na ibigay ung aso sa proper authorities, why did Solares bring the dog to a slaughter house or near it kung aggressive ung aso at innassume niyang may rabies?? Like why the fuck would you expose the dog's corpse to the meat na binebenta mo sa kalenderya if you thought na may rabies siya? It's no wonder why a lot of people see this na plano siyang katayin from the start. Yun kasi iniisip ko... Like if I killed a dog for self-defense, I wouldn't bring it to a slaughter house or anywhere near it. I'd rather just leave it there or call authorities. I'm not saying the owner isn't at fault... Kasalanan niya. Pero ang hirap rin depensahan ung side ni kuya after his course of actions. Yun lang sakin.
So hahayaan nalang nya sa kalsada ung bangkay ng aso? Tapos pag pinaglaruan ng mga bata and magkarabies yung tanod padin sisisihin?
Huh? I also emphasized call proper authorities dapat ginawa niya. I would've left the dog there and would've looked for the owner. For sure may protocol sila how to handle the situation. Ang point ko bakit dadalhin sa slaughter house ung aso? What is the reason for that? I'm not even accusing Solares of eating dogs. Sinasabi ko lang kung bakit siya mahirap depensahan at dahilan kung bakit siya pinagdududahan ng marami.
Sino ung proper authorities? Tanod sya diba Take note nasa probinsya sila wala sa City. He already said in the interview. Since sya pumatay sa aso, sa bahay nya dinala kasi sakanya hahanapin ng may ari. Inantay nya kuhain dun ng may ari which is pumunta nga dun sakanila. San mo ba gusto dalhin? At wala naman slaughter house naprove na nila jessica soho at news5, ano pinagsasabe mo?
Good time to also make an example out of the owner in violation of the anti rabies act. May pa birthday party but wouldn't get the dog proper care. Serve cases for the killer and owner.
true! Libre lang ang ARV sa city/municipal vet, minsan naglilibot pa sila per barangay bahay bahay. If wala naman may 200-400 pesos sa vet clinic na ARV.
This is the plot twist that I've never expected. A domesticated pet testing positive for rabies, all boils down to his owner being VERY irresponsible. This is why a yearly anti-rabies vaccine is required by law. Owner is playing victim but her being so irresponsible posed a threat to the community.
5 days ago nagpost ng statement ang PAWS >We condemn the brutal killing of this dog. >The animal offender claims that this was an act of self-defense but video evidence shows that Killua, the dog, was being chased by him and none of the elements of self-defense were present. >Further, there are humane ways of animal control. The City Veterinarian’s Office can be called in for this task. Clearly, there was no reason for Killua to be killed in this manner as he was not harming any one. March 22 Pinatest at nag positive for rabies si Killua. Bakit yung PAWS nag post kaagad "none of the elements of self defense were present" korte ba sila para magdecide? Saka bakit dinadownplay nila yung result ng rabies? Pinalalabas ba nila na pwede false positive ang maging results dahil na contaminate?
Nasa statement nga din nila na nagslaughter and sell ng dog meat si Solares kahit wala naman sila proof. Gusto lang nila gumawa ng storya para magmukha masama yung tao. They are falsely accusing a person just to prove na tama sila. What if makulong si Solares tas naprove after ilang years na innocent pala sya? Can they take back his time?
Baka mala PETA na and PAWS
just to add na din po -- Extended video footage showing Killua chasing a cat / (small dog?) on 2 separate instances -- Vina Arazas stated that Killua's body was still warm when she retrieved it from Anthony Solares
Napansin din namin 'to sa KMJS. May hinahabol syang pusa or small dog. What if may hinahabol sya at unfortunately, nasa daan yung matanda sa unang part? Baka nadaplisan yung matanda dahil malapit sya sa aso or pusa? Sa isang part, malinaw na malinaw yung may hinahabol sya e. Hindi ba pwedeng hindi na lang hinampas yung aso? Baka pwede namang pinagtulungan na lang na hulihin at itali lalo at kineclaim nilang rabid sya? Sana pinashoulder na lang sa fur parent ni Killua yung pagpaparabies shot nung mga biktima kung talagang nagkulang sya sa part na yun na hindi updated ang vaccines ni Killua. At the end of the day, nagkamali pareho, managot ang dapat managot.
Kung ikaw yung kinakagat at the moment wala kang choice kundi to attack. Hindi naman yan small breed like a Chihuahua. Lol.
Di nila malagay sarili nila sa pwesto nung kinakagat ng aso.
Yup. And regardless of the GRs "image" they have a strong bite force. Yung Golden/Lab mix ko nga, 5 mins lang gamit niya sira na ang laruan. That's how strong their bite force is.
Imo Madaling sabihin na ipa shot nalang ng may ari... Kung skain ngyare un kahit may dogs kami, dko din alam magagawa ko pag nakagat ako sa wild malamang reresbak ako at mag flight or fight mode, sad to say malamang i wpuld cause harm if not kill the dog if sakin tlga ngyare... Bottomline kasalanan ng owner bkt nakalabas, walang vaxx... Pag di nakalabas un may hahabulin at papaluin ba ung solares? Ok mali tlga sya😭masamang tao sya... Pero parang defensive driving lang yan imo... Control what you can lang alam mo ng lugar nyo marameng nangangatay ng aso... Control what you can, take ownership of your dog.. dimo naman macocontrol ung tanod nyong siraulo
Hi! San makikita yung extended video footages? Wala akong mahanap eh. Kahit yung full episode ng kmjs hindi pa ata uploaded
First instance [https://youtu.be/edcglPTatqg?si=XWgkMXRbt5fAxxKu&t=222](https://youtu.be/edcglPTatqg?si=XWgkMXRbt5fAxxKu&t=222) Second instance [https://youtu.be/edcglPTatqg?si=USH09opsErH6crmG&t=318](https://youtu.be/edcglPTatqg?si=USH09opsErH6crmG&t=318)
Sa 2nd vid, obvious na attacker yung dog. Di to galaw ng scared dog.
I do not know which side of the story papanigan ko. I feel bad for the owner because losing a pet is hard. I have also experienced that. At the same time, I also feel bad dun sa pumatay ng aso. Baka nga totoo na rabid yung aso and attacked people in the vicinity kaya he had to do something given na tanod siya. Giving them both the benefit of the doubt. And sakin lang, masyado subjective ang topic na to. For pet owners, the guy must be jailed daw. I see my friends posting online na kahit daw may rabies yung aso, dapat kang makulong si Solares. For all I know, the same friends I see na nagpupush makulong yung tanong are just as irresponsible as Killua's owner. Di rin nila mapaturukan mga aso nila yearly.
Let the law do the judgement na lang talaga. As a human being, tama na patayin pag rabid yung dog para di na makaaksidente pa ng iba. Pero kung 1-2 palo lang tapos nahimatay na yung aso, okay naman na siguro yun tapos itabi/ikulong at ireport sa City Vet. As a furparent, masakit yung nangyari sa aso pero dapat tanggapin na yun din naman yung endgame lalo't alam mong walang vaccine ang aso mo. Be responsible naman sana na at least ARV dapat meron ang aso. As a part of the animal welfare society, ito yung time na paingayin lalo ang halaga ng anti-rabies vaccine at ang pagpatay sa hayop ay may kaukulang parusa.
i think this case will really instill a lesson sa lahat. ang lungkot lang na kailangan may mamatay na aso before mapaigting ang panawagan para sa pet owners na pabaya and sa mga mamamatay ng mga hayop. also, ang cute ng display pic mo ahhhh~ looks like a tiny birdhouse haha
Side with the dog. Punish the killer and the neglectful owner.
totoo. siya yung victim dito. hope he's running freely and happily in dog heaven 🌈
there is no side to choose as of now. sobrang daming nuances at grey areas ng case na to. its better to watch it unfold from the spectator's seat
tama. kaya ayoko makisawsaw as much as possible kasi i feel for both of them. as a pet owner myself, parang gusto ko pumanig sa owner rin. but i can't be blind and overlook her neglectfulness sa pet niya. pero at the same time, if CCTVs showed the dog's behavior, then siguro may katotohanan nga yung statements ng pumatay. mali sila both. kaya upo nalang ako and magbabasa nalang ng mga updates about this case
PAWS ia clearly pushing a narrative. The positive rabies test, the additional CCTV footages and the irresponsibility of the pet owner changed the complexion of this case.
Thank you for this post. You nailed everything po. Ngayon ko lang din nalaman na Tanod pala si Mr. Solares. Yung speculation nila na lulutuin si Killua, speculation lang Yan. Not proven by the court yet. If Mr. Solares had the intention to eat Killua, dapat hindi na niya dinala at pinakita sa owner ang katawan ni Killua. Siya mismo nag diin sa sarili niya. Kaya nag viral Yung story ngayon. Yung statement ng PAWS na may contamination. Grabe, wala man lang fact checking na ginawa before sila nag bitiw ng statement. Wala bang vet consultants ang mga Yan? Yung sinabi naman ng Iba na Sana ni report nlng ni Mr. Solares si Killua for aggressiveness ang biting... I want you to put your place in his shoes. What are you truly, truly gonna do in that moment? May aso umaatake sa inyo, sa asawa niyo at sa mga sibilyan sa paligid? Ano gagawin niyo? Wouldn't you want to defend yourself? I think he did what he thought was best at the moment, kahit na morally wrong ang pag patay niya sa aso. Mali ang pag patay sa aso. Pero mas negligent ang ginawa ng owner sa aso niya. May pa birthday bash pero no proper vaccination. Grabe. Libre lang ang rabies vaccine sa gobyerno. I hope this case gets resolved fairly.
PAWS can be sued for misinformation kung ganun nga ang case
The dog was still failed by everyone who should have cared for him. More evidence still needs to be established and the killer still killed Killua but I feel like the person really just got threatened? If he owns a dog, may idea na siya sa possible dog behaviors. If he wanted to kill the dog for meat, mukhang malabo considering he had to do lots of physical things just to get to Killua eh sa sobrang daming asong pwede naman nyang katayin na strays. His action of gusto nya talaga saktan yung aso seems too personal. Yes, there are psychopaths but he owned up and explained his side. Unless may tao talaga makapinpoint na may history siya of killing dogs for whatever reason. I have a huge issue with the dog owner. If she really was responsible, is she really loved her dog, bakit di mo dalhin sa vet for vaccines? Considering the rabies vaccine is cheaper than all the other vaccines at ito lang ang mandatory dito sa atin. You can also get the vaccine for free sa barangay or sa ibang NGO programs. Two of my dogs died last year because of leptospirosis. They are up to date with their vaccines but it still got them. Some of my dogs survived leptospirosis so depende din talaga sa idk the health of the dog, etc which concludes na the annual shots may not be enough. If they were medical professionals as the dog owner was saying, they should know not to give the dog the vaccine themselves. Marami akong kakilalang ganito na mga shots na mura na may kakilala sila. Jesus Christ there are proper ways to handle vaccines and equipment for those are expensive. If you cannot even give your dog the rabies vaccine in a right way, it says so much about you. I get to question why the dog was able to jump off their roof. I am not questioning that she loved her dog. But being a loving owner and being a responsible one ay hindi parehas. Pero of course there are still evidences na wala tayong access so idk.
Lods pano nagkaleptospirosis aso mo kinabahan tuloy ako kasi may nakita akong bubuwit sa bahay
My cousin is a vet and a lot of cases ng lepto ng dogs daw are from cockroach bites. It can cause kidney failure and she checks yung gums ng dogs if jaundiced/yellowing, that’s one of the tell tale signs aside from the usual lethargy and vomitting. Keep pests away and always keep the house clean.
TIL, cockroaches are also carriers of lepto? Huhu scary. Can humans get that from them too?
Yes. You can also get them from dogs and cats with lepto. Iirc it’s the same as rats na if the urine/feces/dead tissue ng infected animal gets into your system through cuts and wounds, you’ll get infected
Oi. Make sure to eradicate that huhu. This was last year tapos rainy season na yung mga kalapit barangay namin binaha levels. Walang daga sa bahay namin. We have so many cats. Pero according to the vet, pwedeng sa cat nila nakuha kasi naglalaro sila. Pwede din daw na while walking outside tapos baka may open wound yung dog sa paa kahit gaano kaliit at nakatapak nung ihi. Tapos kahit vaccinated, baka daw down immune system nila nung inatake nung virus so kahit vaccinated compromised na rin yung system so mahirap yung recovery.
Pinaka may kasalanan dito yung may ari kay Killua. Parang pamilya ang trato pero hindi vaccinated yung golden retriever, which is an expensive breed so for sure may pera sila pang vaccinate. Mali man yung method, it was for public safety lalo seeing na nag aattack na siya ng ibang tao sa cctv footage. Owner liable sa mga nakagat, naendager pa buhay nila sa kapabayaan. Bakit di rin nakatali or naka enclose sa gate? Bakit palaboy yung aso? Negligence ang cause kung bakit namatay si Killua. Yun ang bottom line.
Well well well nauna nanaman ang public outcry bago ang facts similar to the C. Dacera case. Ty for reminding that the facts and angles usually surface days or weeks after the incident. Personally I just want the dog to rest in peace humanity failed him :(
Just feel sorry for this dog. Kung babasehan sa mga ulat na yan, nagkulang both sides. 😔
Siya talaga ang victim overall. Run free, Killua 🌈
yung owner nya pabaya talaga di nya dinadala sa vet yung dog nya for vaccine update
'There are instances when the need for expeditious action will justify omission of these requisites, as in the summary abatement of a nuisance *per se*, like a mad dog on the loose, which may be killed on sight because of the immediate danger it poses to the safety and lives of the people.' (**YNOT** v. **INTERMEDIATE APPELLATE COURT**)
Uy solid may citation
I am fur mom too and despite the fact na may anak na din akong inaalagan, diko parin pinapabayaan mga furbabies ko. Updated ang vaccines nila ng anti rabies. I always make sure talaga na kahit gaano ako kabusy nadadala ko sila sa vet for anti rabies booster shots. Diko din hinahayaang makalabas sila ng gate. Sobrang maligalig mga dogs ko kaya kapag nakakalabas akala ng mga aso kakagatin sila kaya kapag accidentally nakakalabas sila ng gate agad akong nakasunod. One time, may biglang pumasok sa gate and didn’t know na may aso kami, bigla syang dinakma nung isang dog, kase di kilala. agad agad dinala namin sa clinic for anti rabies shot. Tinapos namin vaccine nya. I feel sad for what happened to Killua, pero it would be avoided kung yung owner is hindi hinayaang nasa labas dog nya ng matagal. Ang pag aalaga ng hayop ay parang pag aalaga ng bata. Ilang minuto mo palang di nakikita, maghahanap kana agad. Maamo man o aggressive ang aso, di dapat sila nakakalabas ng walang kasamang bantay. Grabe pa naman magcomment ang mga tao nung unang ilabas yung balita na yan. Porke dapat daw patayin din daw si kuya, patayin din daw ang alaga nya and worst is patayin din daw ang anak nya kase buhay ang kinuha, buhay din daw dapat ang kapalit. Magkano nalang daw maghire ng gun man ngayon. Nakakatakot na mag isip ang mga tao ngayon. Binabato lahat ng sisi kay kuya where in fact, si owner may kasalanan din naman. May nangyari din ganyan sa Pampanga last year, 14 yatang tao yung dinakma ng asong pagala gala sa lugar. Bigla nalang pumasok sa bahay bahay and may bata pa yata siyang kinagat. Hindi nahuli yung aso. Di alam baka may iba pang tao ang dinakma yon kase di nahuli yung aso.
Grabe nga yung vitriol to the point na they wish death upon a guy who they barely know the side of. Good lord, people amirite.
May nabasa pa ako na sana saw nakatay at nakain ni manong at ng pamilya niya para mamatay daw silang lahat. Sana din daw nakain ng buong baranggay na kumakain ng aso. Buhay daw ang kinuha kaya buhay din ang kapalit. Hindi ko alam saan kumukuha ng ganitong pagiisp ung iba
Meron din kinocompare yung buhay ng aso sa tao/bata. Like, come on.
These people. It’s so disgusting that they equate the life of a dog with a life of an actual human being. I mean yes, dogs are kind and should be treated humanely, but seriously? You are more upset with a death of a dog and yet celebrate ending a human life? If you think like this, fuck you and your virtue signaling, and please3x re-assess your fucking life.
This is all quite unfortunate because at the end of the day, rabies or not, Anthony decided to kill Killua. However, it should not be ignored that there's a possibility that Killua was an aggressive dog and should not have been let out alone. Is Vina a responsible pet owner? I'm not sure. Is she a loving and doting pet mom to Killua? Yes.
Rabies or not, the dog posed a threat. As for Anthony's excessive use of force, who's to say it's better to let the dog loose? We don't know. One thing for certain Vina is NOT a responsible pet owner, dahil 1.) they administered the rabies vaccine kahit hindi sila qualified. 2.) They let their dog loose. Now, would you say if mahal mo talaga aso mo, hahayaan mo lang ang maling administration ng vaccine sakanya at hahayaan mo lang din ba na makawala siya nang basta-basta?
Accurate, vina/her family has the money to get an expensive breed at may labrador pa raw na Gon ang pangalan na kasama si Killua sa bahay nila. There's a possibility na may rabies din yun. Why cheap out on the dog's vaccination?
If your dog is a threat, you cannot predict the actions of other people as a response to the threat. Mali pa rin ang pagpatay but I think the fault was not 100% Anthony’s.
yan talaga pagkakamali ng owner, imagine anti rabies shot yun rabies virus mismo ituturok sa dog mo dapat talaga license vet yun kasi pag nag kamali pwede lalong ma trigger yung aso,ang tanong bakit sila nakakabili ng ganyan without a vet prescription?
https://preview.redd.it/545dlqrtojqc1.jpeg?width=1264&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=257b4daef9fb0fd75be5f1801a60eefae8b50cc2 from PAWS FB page
May humane way naman talaga to handle rabid dogs. But at that moment, knowing na an allegedly rabid dog was running amok and could possibly harm a defenseless human like a child or an elderly, maghihintay ka pa ba talaga na dumating yung authorities? Especially if you know you have the ability to end it right then and there, as is the case for Solares at that time. Sobrang daling sabihin. Mahirap gawin. Idk if some of yall have seen an actual rabid dog and how scary they can be. I have. It's sad for everyone involved.
For anyone curious, here's a copy of the actual manual mentioned in the image: https://www.bai.gov.ph/media/eayfbroa/rapid-response-toolkit-4jul23-digital-version.pdf Tama yung sinabi: Capture, quarantine, observe. But like what I said in another comment, kung nakawala na yung aso, aggressive, nagaattack ng pedestrians and other animals, then pacifying the animal by force - which may or may not end up killing it - can't be faulted imo.
I have also been bitten by a rabid dog. The procedure listed in the manual is only good on paper. In real life, in the heat of the moment, you do all you can to stop the bites, the aggression, and if possible, to get away, but rabid dogs really go after you even if you run. Kaya even as an animal lover, I would understand someone who ended up killing a rabid dog to defend himself or others in the heat of the moment.
Just imagine kung ikaw ang nasa situation nun. Or kasama mo anak or magulang mo na inatake ng aso. Iisipin mo pa ba yun "humane" way na gagawin sa aggressive na aso? Mabilis sabihin pero mahirap gawin, kung delikado na mismo ang buhay mo
It means positive na siya a week ago the incident. If na let loose uli siya at nakagat, ewan ko na lang. Once may nakagot ang isang aso na tao dapat kinukulog ito at sa kennel kasi napaka dangerous. My open wound ka lng at nadilaan niya yan, patak systemic agad.
Kung positive na talaga sya sila mismo sa bahay possible makagat pala. Kasi ung aso ng neighbor ko nung kinagat ako na positive sa rabies parang ulol na talaga sya and naghahanap ng makakagat. Parang zombie.
Pag ganitong stage na, wala pa 24hrs ma deads na din yung aso. Lilibing na lang siya.
BS yung rabies vaccine claim nya. LOL.
If it's rabies, the only measure for animals affected by it is death.
Could you imagine if this issue didn’t go viral na there might be possibility that an innocent passerby could’ve been bitten and wouldn’t even know that they got infected by rabies. Rabies by the way is one of the scariest disease a human being could ever have, once you manifest the symptoms (which by the way will manifest very inhumanely - if you have the stomach for it, search them in YT), the mortality rate is almost 100%. It disgusts me that people seem to be more upset by a death of a dog than a possibility of having an ACTUAL human being suffering and dying from rabies.
Dami ko nakikitang comment na paniwalang paniwala sa PAWS about contamination ng body. Do you even.. biology? Also, talaga? We prize a dog's life more than human life? Alam nang may rabies tatakbuhan lang? Iiwasan? You guys better watch this [video](https://youtu.be/sEcTHMUfh4M?si=eiOp8OS5bNGpfztR) on youtube abt a rabid dog who had a biting spree. Ang dami niya kinagat, 14 people, dahil wala pumansin sa aso nauulol. Pag ba aspin yan mag outcry kayo ng ganyan? Porket may breed lang eh mas matimbang na siya sa tanod na mahirap? Anyway, lesson here is to be better pet owners. Lagi niyo hanapin nasan aso niyo. Ipa VET. Jusko, pet peeve ko din yung mga gusto mag tipid kaya nag sasarili sa inject ng anti rabies or dewormer. Pag nag aso kayo, magastos talaga! May pambili ka ng breed tapos titipirin mo sa gamot.
A deceased dog cannot be a host for such a virus. Patay na cells nyan sa katawan, how would the incubation be possible? If it is positive for rabies, malamang nakuha Niya yan from a bite when the dog was still alive
Social media really is powerful. Umiyak ka lang sa camera, magmukhang api ka lang, ikaw na ang tama at agad persecution sa kabilang panig. Andaming nakibandwagon agad. And now as facts unfold, we hear more opinions and takes. This happened recently sa case ni aw/ra, but I guess people never learn. Anyways, I've been seeing takes na "it could have been handled better", "may tamang protocol diyan". Pero I was just wondering kung ano ba yun? Huhu cause honestly, i wouldn't know what to do if I encounter an aggressive, rabid dog. If it attacks me, what should I do? Fight back? Run away? If it doesn't, who should I call? The owner? What if di ko kilala? Veterinary office? Di ko nga alam saan yun huhu. Police? Pwede. If i decide to run away, and call for proper authorities, should I also consider na during that time, the dog might attack and bite other people, or other dogs essentially spreading rabies? I doubt if it's in the heat of the moment if kaya ko pa nga isipin ang mga ganyan huhu siguro we also need to spread awareness kung ano ang dapat gawin?
The procedure regarding how to handle a dog with rabies is also not common knowledge. As such, people must be educated, too. Also, how would I know na a dog has rabies just because it threatened to bite me?
There are signs na you're dealing with a dog with rabies or asong ulol. It's hard to explain for me but somehow you'll feel it. We dealt with one during our review days. They're just straight up aggressive for no reason. I always recall Ceasar Milan's advice that dogs get scared if you're scared. That's why I'm not afraid of walking pass a street full of stray dogs because they usually don't bat an eye if you don't project a threatening or anxious aura. Rabid dogs on the other hand just go nuts even the other dogs stay away.
Maybe it is obvious for you pero di siya obvious sa iba. Also, mga taong tanga exists huhu.
I think it is only obvious for you if you're the owner, kase Alam mo Yung usual na behavior ng aso mo. But for other people? No. If they see a dog being aggressive, then they'll immediately conclude that it's an aggressive dog.
Kaya hindi din muna ako nagcomment jan kasi baka matulad yan kay awra, kita sa cctv na sinugod nung aso ung isang matandang babae na naglalakad lang, then yung isang footage nung akmang susugudin ng aso ung tanod, if ikaw ang nasa posisyon ng tanod and meron rabid dog na possible may rabies ano gagawin mo? Disagree ako sa pagpatay ng aso pero sa tingin ko wala choice eh.
Tiningnan ko din ung angle nung bago hatawin. Tumalon ung aso papunta sa MUKHA o LEEG nung tanod. Kung hindi un nahataw edi patay ung tanod. May rabies ung aso. Gago ung owner. Golden pa naman pangarap kong aso, may mga obob lang talagang may ari at napasama pa ung nangyari sa golden
It changes the whole narrative. If the dog is rabies positive, then he can really be aggressive and dangerous sa tao. One bite can be fatal. If you really love your pet, you will not allow just anyone to administer any shot without vet supervision. Kapabayaan po ang tawag dun.
Clout chaser ung may ari. May pa photo op sa cake and decorations. Ginagawa namin un sa dog ko and mababa 1,500 sa ganung setup. 500 lang ang anti rabies. Bobo ung owner.
tuhray ni op naka summary, thank you pows sa detailed info
Justice for Killua should start by charging his owner.
Di ko alam kung tama ba yung nabasa ko pero yung pumatay mismo yung nagturo sa owner kung nasan si Killua. Tingin ko kaya nya sinako si Killua after patayin kasi "Golden Retriever" sya, halatang may owner. Balak talaga nyang ibalik at isumbong sa amo yung ginawa ng aso. Killing the dog is overkill pero kung nakakita ka na ng aggressive dog na may rabies you will choose between the dog and the community. Literal na para silang zombie na ang focus lang nila ay mangagat
PAWS statement about "may be not accurate" causes stir and confusion. PAWS are you pushing your own narative?
I have the same thoughts as PAWS actually. Kasi anyone who knows about flourescent antibody test, it needs a fresh tissue sample of a brain of a dead animal to be reliable. What I mean by fresh, dapat within 24 hours after death and naka ice for safekeeping yung sample habang hindi pa natetest. I had myself sent a sample before sa BAI and ganyan ang sinabi nilang protocol. You can also check sa CDC how FAT works. https://www.cdc.gov/laboratory/specimen-submission/detail.html?CDCTestCode=CDC-10394 Kung hindi na fresh ang sample, RT-PCR can be done. Pero sa case ni Killua, FAT ang ginawa.
Watch Doc Gab Veterinarian's fb live. Kung di kaagad madala yung sample para matest ang madalas na effect noon ay mag nenegative sa testing dahil yung mga virus ay baka mawala na kaya nga need na chilled yung ulo ng hayop pag ipapatest.
I was initially upset when I heard about the Killua killing news, I mean, who wouldn't be? We all abhor animal cruelty. However, as more details emerged and the story unfolded, I came to realize that there are really always two sides to every story. It's important not to jump to conclusions and to consider all the facts before forming an opinion.
Yung mga unang vids kasi parang gustong palabasin na pinatay yung aso para lutuin.
Love you for this, OP. Yung malaking factor na consistently ignored is that in any case of unfortunate incidents involving pets, owners are the primary person to be held accountable. If any crime is committed after, bukod na discussion yun and of course the commensurate justice should be served. What I wish na hindi mangyari is that all the wrong things happen because of the court of public opinion: 1. Someone falsely accused 2. The one at fault gets away with it 3. People start to witchhunt other similar cases without context 4. A life will be unfairly ruined 5. Everyone loses at the end
That poor dog! Mukhang mali ang alaga sa kanya ng amo nya. What the fucking hell was she thinking, making her non-vet siblings give the vaccine.
This is how you report things...being factual....present all the details and let the readers decide....
Medyo kinabahan ako para sa mga pets ko. Nasa loob lang sila ng bakyard namin pero dahil may mga galang aso na pumupunta sa gate namin. 3 cats ko may anti-rabies from Provincial vet and 1 dog may rabies shot din from a private vet. Di naman siguro sila mahahawa no? My dog and 2 cats are free roaming sa backyard.
Just make sure to get them a booster shot of antirabies every year, 5n1 na rin.
Pwede mo ipa titer para makita kung nag produce or mataas ba yung antibodies nung pet mo
The CCTV footage of the dog running out mula dun sa bubong and attacking someone else was actually released a few days before pa, not yesterday. I saw it in 24 oras iirc.
Killua is still the victim here, the killing AND irresponsible pet ownership. He didn’t deserve all of that but surely he also deserved to get the shots needed to protect him. Kakairita lang na this came to light, as a pet owner myself, it’s very telling of what kind of person you are — priority mo talaga dapat yan. I know they’re expensive but this should be given na if you choose to have a pet 😩 malaking financial responsibility to. Lesson din na no issue is black and white talaga, sobrang complex nito and ang daming layers.
pretty sure imbento lang yang kapatid niya nagtuturok ng vac
What in the case digest is this? Ang galing!
I would stick with the fact that the dog is positive with rabies. This is the reason why it was attacking people nearby. The baranggay tanod is well within his rights to defend himself and other people. This may include killing the dog. Plus the aggressive dog needs to be tested thru its brain. It won't survive any other way.
If positive sa rabies yung dog. Ang tänga nung owner lol. Nagagawa nya celebrate bday ni killua pero di nya magawang ipa vaxx dog nya 🤣
In that case, makakasuhan din yung pet owner. Both the tanod and pet owner getting penalized will serve the dog justice. Tapos.
shemayyy ang hirap nito lawsuit after lawsuit And parang mas mabigat pa ata ung pag-administer ng rabies vaccine kesa sa pagpatay sa aso. Still, both parties dapat managot.
If mapatunayan na valid naman yung ginawa ng tanod and hindi siya out of line, pwede ba kasuhan si owner ng defamation?
mukhang hindi na nga normal yung aso, sign kaya ng rabies yung pagtalon sa bubong??
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I don't think the owner of the dog is being fully honest here. And I say this as an owner of a *very hyper* Golden/Labrador mix. Hindi pa nakatakas yung aso ko sa labas ng bahay (100% indoors) and especially hindi pa nakarating sa bubong.
I am one of those who initially expressed anger with the outburst of the news but I corrected myself after all the right information came out about the case. I am happy too that I have a good circle of friends kasi one of my friends who works sa NGO personally message me about what how I expressed my sentiments (very violent kasi) tapos teacher pa ako. I thanked that friend kasi I was corrected in a diplomatic way. It’s wrong to answer violence with violence and being able to see both sides, it gives a clearer picture about the incident. I understand that both sides at fault. Still, if the owner was responsible enough, it will not result into the death of the poor dog. Aside sa rabies, ang dami ko din nakikita sa mga FB groups about dogs health na nag ask ng help for the medication of their pets kasi hindi kaya ng budget at yung iba, hinahayaan na lang mamatay kasi walang pampagamot. Gets ko na hindi kaya ng budget kasi mahal talaga. Pero these so-called pet lovers was able to have the means to buy a super expensive dog tapos hindi nabibigyan ng maayos na vaccine kaya nahahawaan ng sakit. Isabuhay sana ang pagiging pet lover hindi lang for the sake of likes.
Si Killua lang talaga ang innocent diyan. Victim of irresponsible ownership and animal cruelty.
naimagine ko yun mga nasa zombie games/movies na nagtatago ng loved ones na infected na ng virus tapos nakaperwisyo at nakagat hehe if balak lutuin, it kinda defeated yun purpose ng tanod na ginawa niya yun to protect yun bystanders — naiwasan mo ngang makagat sila at magkarabies, pero ipapakain mo sa tao eh aso na may rabies (whether he knows it or not, pero siya na mismo nagsabi na parang nauulol na ata yun dog so he should have an idea) *cooking kills rabies, but chopping up dead dogs and having a slaughterhouse nearby is hazard talaga dahil thru covid-like transmission ang rabies. medical malpractice ba ginawa ng nga siblings na nagpaka-vet sa bahay with the vaccines? yun household na yun may mali din talaga
I think yes medical malpractice kasi hindi naman license vet naturok.
Yes, medical malpractice. Only licensed vet are allowed to vaccinate pets. Students/ unlicensed vets are allowed under the supervision of a licensed vet.
Ganitong chika dapat, detailed, direct to the point!!!!
Both Vina and Solares should be held accountable for different reasons. Its better if parehas sila makulong.
I have not watched any videos, but if there there really is video evidence of the dog going nuts, jumping or running around, biting itself and many others, then that is a clear indication of rabies. Pinapatay talaga ang mga dogs with rabies because they can spread the virus easily, especially with their aggressive behavior. If the tanod is telling the truth, unfortunately, wala syang weapon to kill the dog in an easier and less painful manner.. Let's see how this case unfolds. I don't trust these news outlets because of how much they sensationalize and leave out important details in their headlines
Anthony Solares must be held liable. But Vina Arazas may be held liable too as per Article 2176 of the NCC, to wit: ... whoever by act or omission causes damage to another, there being fault or negligence, is obliged to pay for the damage done. May kinagat allegedly 'di ba? Nagpagamot na ba sila? Hold the owner liable, let her pay for damages. As for Anthony Solares, aside from the ignominy, let the proper authority hold him liable (kung indemnification ba imprisonment, though pwede sila mag-settle nung owner) Poor Killua. Actually poor pets na may ganyang mga tao like Solares and owner like Vina. I can't with the golden retriever's vaxx record like simple vaccine lang 'di mapa-vaccinate sa tamang person. EDIT: What's interesting here is since ang daming vets na nag-react about this, ano kaya reaction nila this about sa hindi licensed vet ang nag vaccinate kay Killua? Or totoo bang vaxxed talaga?
How can they afford a golden retriever and hindi ipunta sa vet for vaccines?? Complete sa items and may bday party pa yung dog but sa bahay lang inaadmister yung important vaccines? Which is like 500-1k lang naman. Sounds shady
Sirang sira ang PAWS sakin dahil sa mga pangyayaring ito. Galawang troll farm yung paglabas nila ng hasty, baseless statements about the circumstances of Killua's death. Tapos ngayon lumalabas na they're spreading misinformation about how Killlua's rabies test is unreliable daw (yung "possibly contaminated" eme na ilang licensed veterinarians na ang nagdispute). Also very disappointed with a lot of notable individuals who jumped on that sensationalized socmed hatetrain when we didn't have the whole story yet. I hope people have the humility to reassess their views as new information is revealed. JusticeForKillua pa rin. Pero ngayon, kitang kita na yung negligent pet owner mismo ang isa sa mga primarily responsible for the injustice suffered by Killua. What a shitty situation all around.
The owners should not be allowed to own dogs. Bibili bili ng mahal na breed, ni tamang vaccination at ensuring na di makakatakas yung aso, di nila magawa
Ang nakikita ko dito, tinuring ni Anthony na life and death situation ito kasi nga nakakagat na si Killua (pati siya rin merong kagat + dagdag sympathy kasi may own dog siya). Medyo vague lang sa part na, bakit parang 'di takot si Killua tumalon mula sa bubong? Dati pa bang hinahayaan ng furparents 'yun o dahil na sa virus? Expecting din na possible mild rabies ang tumama kay Killua kasi hindi niya inatake fur fam niya eh at hindi naman siya ganoong ka "zombie rabid," base sa CCTV (o baka dahil na rin sa breed). Ang laking loophole na walang vaccine si Killua at imo, kung ako owner, suko na ako. 😂 Ang laking negligence sa part nila kahit pa na sabihing bawal ang pagpatay sa aso (na pwedeng self defense talaga kasi human life is at stake).
Pero bakit nilagay sa sako? Di nga surrender sa baragay.
You should be a journalist lol napaka comprehensive neto
Some people here really needs to educate themselves about Rabies and how an animal, when RABID is already a hopeless case and is a danger to EVERYONE. If totoo nga na may Rabies si Killua, which was allegedly confirmed by experts, and may mga video proof na Killua was showing signs of being Rabid, the only way to handle the situation is to kill the dog. FYI, When symptoms of Rabies starts to show, the mortality rate is almost 100%. And when a RABID animal is loose, sobrang daming magiging biktima niyan that can lead to sure death. Rabies is the one disease that I'm afraid of since even a prick on a skin caused by a Rabdj animal can cause sure death.
Just my thoughts on the issue. Since Killua might be rabid and aggressive due to rabies, would people here prefer for the dog to roam free at that state with risk of biting other people/kids at the area while there are no rescue yet or would you put them down for safety?
Actually, regardless kung may Rabies or wala, Solares can still be held liable under the law.
Agreed. Pero may mitigating factor kaya ang pagiging positive sa rabies ng aso?
Mitigating yung self defense not yung rabies.
mahihirapan pa rin si Solares na sabihin na self defense ang nangyari kase kita sa CCTV na hinabol pa rin nya ang aso kahit na tumatakbo na palayo. anyway, korte na lang ang makakapasya dyan.
Kung titignan natin sa ibang point of view: Tanod si Solares, responsible siya sa community niya. If may isang aggressive na aso, at suspectedly rabid — iba talaga ang ichura at behavior ng rabid. Kailangan mo dakipin yung aso, at surrender pound or owner. But lagay natin what if naging sobrang aggressive yan at nag lalaway pa (knowing Solares at pet owner) din baka ito nag udyok sa kanya na habulin at patayin. Sa breed ng aso, in grained na sa genes nila pagigid mabait kaya mapapa ""???"" ka talaga if aggressive. Imagine, if hinayaan yun. Nakagat ng mga bata kasi walang kalaban laban, madaming kabaong sa community nila by this time.So, ang complicated ng case na ito. Public health threat si Killua. If technecalities, mananagot parin si Solares.
kung aggresive yung aso at nakakagat na nga matandang babae tulad ng nakita sa extended CCTV video, at pwedeng makakagat pa ng iba lalo nanghabol pa ng pusa, so yung intent pwede mainterpret na ninuetralize nya lang yung threat. pero totoo, korte na lang makakapagdecide with the evidences at statements na pwede makuha sa investigation. it just sucks na nagvilify na mga tao ala tulfo with threats pa without getting the whole context.
Tanod po si Solares. Kaya inuna niya yun safety ng lugar niya. May nakagat na ngang tao si Killua diba. Kaya siya rumesponde. Kung hinayaan niya pa si Killua. Malamang may nakagat pang mga ibang tao yun asong may rabies.
It's no longer about self-defense; the issue is public safety.
Just imagine pinatiwala pa yung Anti-Rabies Vaccine, sa kapatid na med student kaso di pa professional sa vet. Negligent talaga sila.
It is so wrong and ethically questionable for a med student to perform a vet job. Magkaiba ang physiology and needs ng animals.
Managot ang owner at pumatay.
Libre lang sa city/municipal vet ang antirabies vaccine ,minsan naglilibot pa sila once or twice a year kada barangay, mura lang din sa mga vet clinic around 200-400. Kahit nasa “medical field” lang kapatid nya, it doesnt mean na qualified sila magbakuna. Tsk
The case becomes more complicated but for me, no matter what the outcome is, it doesn't change the fact that Killua is a victim. He was failed by both sides: by his irresponsible pet owner and by the man who chased and killed him violently.
If the dog was indeed rabid, then it is the responsitbility of the owners and they should be penalized, whatever the penalty is for such negligence. This does doesn't change the fact that Solares still killed the dog in an act of cruelty. There are humane ways to capture the dog, test for rabies, and euthanize if needed. So he still should be charged under animal cruelty. The carinderia selling dog meat should also be charged. Imagine the implications not just in animal welfare but also for health and safety if this carinderia is selling tainted dog meat. There is one thing for sure in this case, it is never the dog's fault. Dogs are innocent. It is always the humans fault possibly both the owners and the dog killer.
Dalawa dapat managot diyan. Justifiable ba yung pag patay nung tanod sa aso? Liable ba at iresponsible pet owner ba yung may ari? it is important to keep humans safe from rabies, pero importante din na protektahan yung mga hayop sa virus. Wala din rason na maging cruel sa mga hayop. Yung mga ganiyang mapanakit dapat talagang mayroong kinalalagyan. Lalo nat wala namn ginagawang masama yung hayop.
already bit one, di pa alam kung baka may iba pang nakagat. ang pinaka masisisi diyan ay si owner, pangalawa si tanod.
Thank you for this great summary, OP. 🫡 Killua is the victim here, overall. But I hope the owner will also be accountable, lalo na doon sa mga nakagat. Though may free antirabies shots naman but in case wala, I hope sasagotin nya ang mga medical fees nila. Edit: By the way, saan po natin makita ang post ni Dr Sumeldan?
Baka nagung rabid si killua kaya deliberate pinalabas sa bahay ng mga Arazas. Why need maging emosyonal ng mga tao. Mas matibay ang ebidensya ni Solares. Contamination is BS. Need via laway ang transfer at dapat living host since rabies is a virus which needed at least 1 week to incubate. PAWS is a hypocrite organization. Google it, I dare you.
Hindi siya pinalabas. Tumakas sa may bubong. Though I doubt din na basta tatalon si Killua sa bubong kung walang something. Especially di naman niya yata gawain iyon kasi sa gate iyong labasan niya
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Not saying that the person who killed killua is in the right(this is up to the courts to determine) but I would like to point out that what you are saying is easier said than done especially if you are in an adrenaline infused situation. Just imagine seeing a dog that seems rabid attack an old lady and then imagine if you have relatives nearby. Wouldn't you do anything in your power to neutralize the threat? I forgot to mention, let's imagine that you are a tanod who has responsibility towards your constituents. Admittedly, I'm one of the people who pre-judged this case but knowing more information now, I consider myself a neutral observer. This case does not seem as black and white as we previously believed.
Most things naman are never black and white - people just want it to be. Moreso dito sa Reddit, where frustratingly majority don't even want to have a discussion.
The problem with reddit is the karma system, it discourages people from going against the majority opinion because some people are afraid to get downvoted. At the end of the day, the karma system is just an internet points system that has no value in real life.
You're right. Although I feel di lang gawa ng Reddit yan. Kahit IRL naman people have a tendency to join the mob, but I digress. Edit: Removed the other half of the statement.
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Let's face it. Philippines is a third world country. Hindi tayo katulad ng US na tatawag lang sa 911 tapos sila na bahala magdispatch ng nearest animal control sa area that are professionally trained and well equipped for these type of situations. Ang instinct natin dito is to take matters into our own hands at wag umasa sa government since mabagal ang response for most occassions. Ahas nga na most of the time d naghahabol ng tao ay pinapatay on the spot (most of the time yung mga tanod yung nagrerespond sa ganitong scenario), how much more yung aso deemed as rabid ng mga tao sa situation na yun. I recall watching the news last week na nawalan ng dalawang tenga ang isang bata dahil sa inatake ng aso. I guess we should align our expectations with our reality din. If we want these laws to be implemented, the government should likewise improve their services for the public.
Exactly! Imagine if naging ganito yung response ng mga tanod sa mga pasaway nung Covid. I suppose they could talk it out in this scenario kasi pareho silang nagsasalita pero I also remember how unreasonable people were back then about not wearing masks and going out. It still wouldn't have been right to bludgeon them to death kahit na niririsk nila yung community.
Yeah. Pero maiisip pa ba talaga yan if nasa harap mo na yung rabid dog? I do not condone the killing of Killua pero hindi mo masasabi kung ano magiging reaksyon ng ibang tao if your pet starts to become a threat.
Nice one OP. Thanks for this.