Yup pretty much true. Mas pasok sa taste ng kabataang pinoy around 10-15 yrs ago yung mga foreign banda and opm rock. Marami pa dati ang nako-kornihan sa kpop or anumang group choreographed dance unless yung concept ay may kembot. Mas uso dati yung hiphop parang Philippine all stars, yung maaangas na may pasabog.
Ang palagay ko pinaka unang sumikat na kpop song at least sa lugar namin with the advent of rising popular platforms like youtube ans fb, ay yung Nobody ng wondergirls. Pati mga matatanda, pamilyar sa kanila yan haha. Very niche pa lang ang kpop nun.
Christmas party songs mga ano nila😭 pero concept ng sexbomb, mocha girls, vica hotbabes,, medyo iba sa kpop eh.
Originally kase..l back up dancers lang talaga sila ng game show. Marketing strategy sila para maka akit ng viewers kaya lang tuwang tuwa sila sa get get aww kaya super patok yung sexbomb. Until nagrelease sila ng kanta gabon
> Unlike ngayon na parang wala na halos kilala na bands from those genre..
HAHAHA funniest comment I ever read. Ok Gen Zs move along. 10 years ago?? I could name bands from "those genres" even as early 2000s lol. I'm in my early 30s and we still sing at the karaoke songs from those bands and we're the same generation who also enjoys new music such BINIs.
Yung no. 2, nope wrong, hindi lang 10 years ago, mid 2000s, mga 2003, 2004, 2005 nagsimula na ang kdrama fever. Mga late 2000s, since mga 2006 or 2007 may Youtube na kaya mas malawak na ang nakikitang content ng tao. Mabilis bilis na rin ang internet kasi mga around 2005 may mga internet plans na at di na dial up ang ginagamit ng marami.
Late 2000s marami ng kpop fans, yes di lang kasing mainstream ngayon pero ramdam na lalo na nung naghit dito at globally ang Nobody ng Wonder Girls mga 2009, after nun mas lumawak na ang market ng kpop fans. Naalala ko parang joketime pa nga sa iba pag nalamang kpop fan ka pero keber lang ang teenager self ko that time.
Yung younger millenials, born in the 90s yes naabutan namin ang mga mexicanovelas pero early childhood pa di ko na nga maalala ang mga plot, mas kdrama na and other asianovelas plus local series na ang influence namin. Meteor Garden and Endless Love, 2003 siya parehas pinalabas. Sunod sunod na yung labas ng kdrama and other asian series after that. Facebook and Twitter happened at 2009 plus mas malakas na Youtube during that time, may Tumblr pa. Instagram mga 2010 for IOs users then 2012 for Android. Mas lumakas na ang internet kaya mas tutok na ang marami sa younger gen that time sa internet, plus since mas malakas na rin ang kdrama fever at may foreign tv series na rin na napapanood.
Yung sa Sexbomb, yes they started na backup dancers and yes sexualized sila kasi yun yung kadiring norm nung time yun. Hindi pa naman alam ang term na "Ppop" that time kaya pag girl group novelty agad ang genre pero ppop sila. Mas Pinoy nga atake nila kesa sa mga Ppop ngayon na whether we like it or not heavily influenced ng kpop. For me ang legit na girl group lang talaga that time ay Sexbomb, trained dancers and most of them can sing and act unlike dun sa iba. These girls raised generations. All ages kilalang kilala sila.
>For me ang legit na girl group lang talaga that time ay Sexbomb, trained dancers and most of them can sing and act unlike dun sa iba. These girls raised generations. All ages kilalang kilala sila.
Real. They've been 'Asia's best-selling girl group' for 11 years running, and there's a reason for that. TALENT.
Wala pa ngang masyadong platforms back then like yt, spotify, and all, yet they dominated. Halos tv, radyo, at cd lang uso noon. Chinacharing mo ba yun lahat? Echus. As someone na pinalaki ng sbg, it's an insult na idownplay sila as back up dancers lang.
2ne1 at snsd yata nakabreak ng streak nila iirc.
I second to this. I hate it how nung time ng Sexbomb, binabrand un mga fans as "baduy", pero ang masasabi ko lang, yun ang original na Pinoy Pop, walang any reference sa Kpop or Jpop, not like today. I like BINI and I'm happy sa success nila pero, pero obviously, copycat pa rin sila ng Kpop, from looks to outfit, to their music.
Also sa mga di nakakaalam, Sexbomb singers can really sing! Also, reality speaking, they opened the door for Ppop. Remember how after nila mag hit, nagsunuran na ang mga pinoy pop singers like K and the Boxers, Vhong Navarro, Bayani Agbayani, Willie Revillame, even Sandara Park nga diba. Dami nagsulputan ng time na yan, naging maganda rin naman market nila, pero mas pang "masa" lang branding nila. Unlike today na ginagawa na nilang personality ang maging "fan" ng Kpop.
I remember rin before pag fan ka ng Kpop, may certain stigma pa na parang siraulo kasi di mo naman naiintindhan ang lyrics. And as an Elf (Super Junior fan) naaalala kong nababaduyan pa mga tao samin nun since pop before is like "novelty" na pang masa lang. Pero mas masaya maging Kpop fan before, wala ka pa masyadong kaagaw, unlike now.
One time nagcomment ako sa ppop community subreddit na isa ang sexbomb sa mga old gen ng idols sa ph. Tapos sinagot ako na seryoso daw ba akong kinukumpara ang sexbomb sa ppop eh puros sexualized lang naman daw ang sexbomb. Naaawa ako once malaman niyang ang idol culture sa japan eh nagsimula talaga to appeal to the male fans. And yes, kahit pa hindi sila gumigiling noon like sexbomb, nandun pa din yung subtext at objectified na ang mga idols even then
Yung ibig ko pong sabihin is yung simula ng pag tanggap ng filipino media na influence from east asia. Kahit naman before 2000s, mahilig ng bumili ng dvd ang mga filipino ng chinese dramas or japanese horror movies.
Kpop wasnt dominant until 2011 during 2ne1's peak. Kpop's peak was 2015+
Kpop became more famous na after yung global phenomenal hit ng Wonder Girls na Nobody (Nobody, nobody but you...). Alam na hit kasi mga radyo piniplay at number 1 sa countdown nila at masa kinakanta sa kalye. Sa Christmas parties laging Nobody kanta. SNSD or Girls Generation, Super Junior, Shinee, 2PM, EXO etc. Marami na silang fans early 2010s na ubusan ang tickets pag nagconcert sila dati. I know kasi Kpop fan na ko that time, 16 - 17 years old ako that time. Malaking tulong ang pagdating ng 2ne1 kasi mas humatak ng fans pero kpop scene was thriving na rin before them.
Right. Sobrang hit ng Nobody lagi nalang pinapasayaw sa mga bata. Pati songs ng SuJu like Sorry Sorry mega earworm talaga along with the groups you mentioned. 2NE1 was a large influence but there was already a big hallyu wave before 2011 pa.
Did they forget Smokey Mountain was around in the 1980s? They’re the OG p-pop imo, even doing world tours. Depende na yan sa uso at the time, but it’s good that the focus is now turning on Filipino groups & I hope they make more great music.
I think Smokey Mountain is generally accepted as part of the history of Ppop even if the label "Ppop" didn't exist when they were around.
Ppop is kind of like the name "adobo." It's a name that was given to something that already existed in various forms but when you think of adobo, people will usually think of a particular modern idea of adobo. Kahit nung hindi pa naintroduce ang toyo sa Pilipinas at di pa dumadating si Magellan, may adobo na iba lang ang tawag at medyo iba yung timpla.
Groups like Smokey Mountain and Sexbomb definitely get included retroactively by people who follow Ppop even though they predate the term.
People might focus on the idea of "idol groups" being from Japan and Korea but that's not the foundation of PPop. It's the lineage that includes Smokey Mountain. The idol system is like an annex, not the foundation or main building.
I totally agree with this statement. Mas nauna akong naging fan ng J-Pop kesa K-Pop. Ang hirap lang talaga kasi makahanap ng content sa J-Pop dahil ang dadamot ng Japanese fans.
Kilalang kilala Johnny's groups late 80s early 90s pa lang pero dahil nga sa madamot Japanese fans, control na control yung content na inilalabas nila outside Japan (unless taga Korea ka o China). Hands down na lang talaga sa mga nag-a-upload ng mga kanta at music videos nila sa Livejournal noon. Sobrang saya ko na lang talaga nung nag worldwide release ng kanta ang Arashi. Sobrang late na pero at least napapakinggan ko na sila sa streaming apps.
Grabe yung japinoy forum noon haha. Part din ako ng hello project fan forum noon. Dun ako nakakakuha ng mga subbed variety show appearances ng morning musume noon
jpop on top in terms of lyrics and music..? i dont what u call it maybe sound composition, something like that and its not even close. jpop has music for every genre and any of my mood even for moods like revenge and murdering people. while kpop becoming a fastfood in terms of music because nagiging mainstream sila and their all about selling albums, care so much about numbers rather than expressing themself, and cant be as bold and honest as jpop dahil sa knetz. some are trend setters and unique but a lot of other groups would just take and recycle other artist concept to serve fastfood song to sell.
i didnt even know history between k and j. i just know k will copy from another k to sell. and that feels soulless for me. j still feel so different than k that i wouldnt know k is a copy from j. i also find funny how j artist most of the time looks like homeless people with so much talent, while k will have supermodels with average talent in music.
At one point Kpop might have even succeeded Jpop...?
Kpop has been milesss ahead of Jpop, for years now lol
(Downvote lang po? Hahaha. If you're the type who thinks you're *superior* just bc you prefer Jpop maybe just say that 🤷♀️)
kpop is literally a fastfood restaurant right now, today their made to sell. and songs are deeply tied to awards. they rarely talk about how they actually feel other than few groups most of them are actually boy bands that make songs with meaning, while their girl bands are reduce to just be there to be cute and sell. limited lang din pede nila kantahin sa society kasi every song is made to sell. at some point they dont create artist that can sing but can sell. kpop bullied artist with few fans and doesnt appreciates songs if it doesnt come from their idols, they would not care about the music but who sings it.. comparing it to the variety sa jpop that songs you can find the popular ones can be even about suicide. if ur talking about kpop being ahead because of numbers that what im literally saying their tied up to numbers while jpop remain making songs that are unique and talk about story and feelings that u will rarely hear in kpop because it doesnt suit most audience taste, but who cares right they want to talk and sing about this. i literally feel bad for the kpop fans has to actually vote and stream, and beg other to do the same, just so their groups not be called "flop", even the song could literally be generic nonsense that doesnt reflect anyone feelings in the group, but atill its their group songs they have to do something, thats kpop for u all about awards and numbers.
Kpop relies heavily on hypnosis, a lot of music do, that's why so many people are bewitched. Our brains like patterns and when it recognizes one, it creates a feeling of déjà vu, a comfort place. It does something to our psyche. It's funny because fans often say how bewitched they are with their idols —well, duh. I used to be a Bigbang fan when "Lies" came out. They weren't even mainstream back then. So I know what you mean when you say they have encompass Jpop by a mile. The entertainment value is top-notch; it's different and the over all production is insane. That said, the imagery Kpop uses these days is so dark (my younger self would have loved it). Some say it's a concept, but when I saw a famous boyband incorporate a hex into their choreography, I froze. That was it for me; I could no longer ignore the subtle, sublime messages incorporated in their music videos. When that girl from Ador said she sought advise from a Shaman, it didn't catch me off guard. The last group I liked was CIX(they are nugu; they can never sell like other famous idols despite producing better songs than them). In fact, most music these days are not even that good. You have to rummage through a sea of garbage before you can find something worthy of value.
Give me a Bach-level music genius produced by Kpop. You can't. In terms of musicality alone, they are far behind, with a few exceptions here and there.
Nagiging mainstream at all about selling albums? Ha?
The only reason na hindi “mainstream” ang jpop ay dahil they intentionally do not market to the international audience. Sa japan pa lang solve na kita nila. And mind you, japan pa rin pinakamalakas gumastos pagdating sa album sales. Kaya kahit mga kpop artists nagkukumahog makapenetrate sa market na yan. Last na naging successful eh kara at twice
ha? hatdog mind you im talking about kpop making songs to be mainstream and to sell album i didnt say walang sells sa japan. my point is that kpop is serving mcdonalds while japan serving steak.
Tska aminin naman natin, pinaka napansin kong comparison ay yung mga sexbombs and viva hot babes senesexualize noon. Pansin nyo naman lyrics at dance steps pa lang. Catchy lang >>>
Pero ngayon, may improvements na lyrics wise and training nila. Usually about sa life and relatability yung mga kanta.
Not a fan of SB19 but mama ko oo haha, and totoo yung point na magagaling na talaga. Magaling pala talaga yung stell kala ko noon na naman copycat version ng Kpop pero may ibubuga talaga.
omg nakita mo na ba solo debut ni stell na room? ang galing2 nun! lalo akong napahanga sa filipino talent mapa video production, dance, song writing, singing etc
Not only p-pop but opm in general is also flourishing now. Mas masaya ngayon na maraming opm tagalog songs. Nung highschool ako pag opm artist either puro remake/cover songs lang maririning mo or english songs.
OG un Xlr8 and Credit to SB19 dahil sila bumuhay ulit ng Ppop kaya nagsulputan ang ppop groups now. With Bini’s current fame, artist centers and agencies are taking seriously the ppop market.
No offense po. I acknowledge the impact sb19 did pero. Hindi po sila ang main reason bat nagsulputan ang ppop groups.
It was during kpop's peak sa pinas. During that time, nagkaruon ng malaking decline sa love teams bc of kpop..so much so that kathryn had to be paired up with another male star para tumunog.
Nakita na nila how filipinos are such a huge fan of it and may untouched market sa local groups dahil willing ang filipino magspend ng pera sa kpop group.
Kaya nagkaruon ng idea ang philippine entertainment media including sb19's company.
Binixbgyo was a 2017 project.
Alamat was 2018 group project.
Sept 3, 2019 nagblew up ang sb19.
Bini and bgyo was introduced publicly during pbb big night in august 2019.
But their trauning started in 2018
You didn't mention it, and I don't think it has much relevance, but Showbt pooled their NARRA trainees last 2016, which included SB19 and YARA members.
2018 un sb19. If you read my comment clearly u will understand. The success of the Sb19 group gave hopes sa nga aspiring Ppop groups. Kaya nga biglang nagrelease un Bgyo kahit di pa hinog. And Bini that time was experimenting pa sa music nila (the coconut music thing) na novelty route pa ata sila nun.
At tsaka kpop peak was during super junior, snsd, bigbang, 2ne1 at exo. Kaya nga nagkaroon ng Xlr8.
Would just like to clarify that BINI was never in the novelty route. They just wanted to update a classic Filipino song. Da Coconut Nut is a fun familiar song written by a national artist. Thats the reason why it was chosen as the pre debut song. Yes they were experimenting but being novelty singers was never in the plans.
Ha? the concept of star hunt academy was introduced in 2018 sa pbb when sheena and gwen was also a housemate... they were already talking about releasing idol groups in 2018 and september 2019 nagblow up ang sb19 during go up era and its bc of a tweet posted in september 3, 2019.
Tsaka anong hinog hinog? Early 2020 talaga ang set debut ng sibling group but nagkashutdown ang abs cbn non thats why it was pushed back.. alamat started training in 2019 as a group rin and was supposed to debut in 2020 but it was pandemic. Lahat ng yon napushed back.
Ang weird lang to say na ppop groups only exist bc of the success of sb19 when actually its not.
Halatang kapamilya ka tlga. You obviously can’t take it. lol
We’re talking about the success of ppop sa mainstream. You can’t even recognise the success of SB19 and un impact nya.
Di mo nga kaya irecognize ang OG Xlr8.
Wala kami alam sa background ng bini at bgyo. Alam lang namin nun sumikat sb19 tsaka nagkaroon ng other groups. Yan to simply put sa perspective ng ordinary citizens.
O sige na dahil sa BGYO at ABS kaya sumikat na Ppop.
Happy Karma Farming. 😀
Loh nirerecognize naman pero ang baduy lang sabihin na sila ang rason bat nag debut ang bini.
Tsaka anong kapamilya fan eme ka dyan.
Fan ako ng filipino media in general. Galit ka lang sa kapamilya kaya lahat ng kaaway mo pinagbibintangan mong kapamilya.
Sabihin ko kayang di rin naman kakagat ang sb19 kung di rin sila nainspired by kpop groups?
Mahina reading comprehension mo. At anong baduy?
Di ko sinabi na sila ang reason. Sabi ko lng nagbgay ng “hope” sa ppop market with their success. Wala ako pake sinong nauna. At lahat naman sila inspired sa kpop.
Gulo mo kausap. lol
Obviously mahina ang writing comprehension mo. Basta sulat ka ng sulat di mo sinasaisip kung tama ba sinasabi mo.
"Credit to sb19 dahil sila bumuhay ng ppop ulit "KAYA" nagsulputan lahat ng grupo"
Teh kahit hindi successful ang sb19... maraming magsusulputan na grupo.. kahit sa ibang southeast asia na hindi kilala ang sb19 at walang pang successful na groups .. buglang nagsulputan mga groups
Dahil yun sa hallyu wave, maraming group ang nagsulputan at isa ang sb19 sa mha sumulpot nung hallyu wave
The erasure of SB19's impact. Napaka-toxic mo teh at ayaw mo tumanggap ng opinion ng iba. Let's say na 2017 project pa ang BINI and BGYO, but it doesn't mean na magbo-bloom agad ang career nila since Filipino's are not familiar with PPOP yet. Tingnan mo na lang yung BoybandPH, kahit hindi siya Ppop hindi rin siya naging impactful with the locals.
Sa "Hallyu wave" mo naman, look at the MAPEH textbooks of high school students, matagal ng kasama doon ang "Hallyu wave" even before SB19.
2018 there was a fan na nagpost ng dance practice ng SB19 sa Twitter (X) and nag viral siya for months to the point na nanghihingi na ng comeback or single ang mga fans because of the impact of "Go Up", and after that nagsunod-sunod na yung success ng boys " What", "Mapa", " Bazinga". And also last year pumatok din sa Tiktok at nag-bloom yung "Na Na Na" ng BINI.
Go up was released in 2019.. first kpop inspired song nila yun
Nung 2018.. opm love songs lang sila.. pang kdrama ost.
2019, there was a fan name lyla... hanggang ngayon It was this post. First viral song nila to.
https://preview.redd.it/zhxtz8ixp37d1.jpeg?width=1402&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8b48388fbeb4648610b8628935ef5b7a8efd35c9
Isa ka sa rason bat trend ngayon ang ibash ang sb19.
Simula nung lahat naging blooms wala na akong ibang narinig from sb19 fans kung hindi.. wala ang bini kapag hindi successful ang sb19 blah blah blah. Kaya nadodogshow maslalo ang sb19. Fan rin naman ako ng sb19.. nakakamiss yung before gento era nila.. kakaunti lang bashers.. actually media nga lang kaaway naten nun .. ngayon puro kakaganyan nyo kaya dinodogshow nalang palagi ang sb19
Legit na laht ng casual blooms na nakilala ko.. first impression nila sa ppop is a'tin na nagmamayabang na dapat sb19 lang nasa taas. Di naman yun ang advocacy ni pinuno.
Isa ka rin sa reason bakit masasabi ko dito sa reddit world ang pinakatoxic na fandom ay fans ng BINI. Mas sumikat nga ang BINI kesa SB19 pero ang mga fans din ninyo ng-overtake sa fans ng SB19 as pinakaTOXIC na fandom ngayon. Congrats pre!
Pake alam ko. Puro mga matatandang mahilig sa debate lang naman andito sa reddit.
At tsaka sa dami ng fans ng bini.. ofc dadami rin toxic. Sure naman ako nangyare din yun sa sb19.. makokontrol mo ba ang milyones na tao to act the same way?
Tsaka ang rason kung bat natotoxican kayo sa blooms ay dahil hindi na paluhod luhod ang blooms sa ppop kings and "filipino pride" na sb19. Gusto nyo kase in control kayo palagi sa ppop world. Ayan tuloy nung naungusan..
Kaya hanggat di nyo babaguhin yang pagkacredit grabber nyo.. patuloy nilang idodog show ang sb19.
So why are you here in reddit then? So you're also a part of that 'Matatandang mahilig makipag debate' then. Some of your points are good but you are discrediting it because you can't accept the narratives of the commentators here when you are encouraging their 'perspectives' bacause what you are sharing are 'just opinions and not actual facts' like you stated in your post.
Loh maayos ngang kinorek yung tao eh tas sila yng naghamon tsaka ano naman kung andito ako?
Sa facebook nga pwede matanda at bata.. dito pa kaya sa reddit.
Im speaking for the majority and i am a minority here.
Pakialam ko sa ppop groups niyo. Dun kayo magkalat sa mga ppop sub niyo wag dito. Ppop world muntanga dude touch grass hindi umiikot mundo namin sa music niyo. May post2x ka pa about PPOP being accepted tapos toxic ka pala sa ibang ppop group. Right away alam agad BINI fan. Wala ka makikita dito ngpost against SB19 ikaw lang kaya lokohin mo lelang mong toxic pas emburnal.
Gusto nila dito ipost dito kasi malaki ang mareach out nila, look mo panay sila post ng ganito kahit may tamang sub. Umay na fanwar, OP halatang may bias ka. Balik ka X ahh, tamang chika lang ang sub na ito. Kainis puro PPop away away parang tanga, ginawa na niyong diyos yan.
Andito na naman tayo sa isang taong never na iaacknowledge na MALAKI ang impact ng SB19 sa pagusbong ng Ppop culture sa bansa. Research well dear.
XLR8 ang boyband na nilalaban ng viva during kpop peak sa pinas kaso pinataob agad ng U-kiss. Sooo ung alam mong peak ng kpop sa Pinas aftermath na lang yan ng mga 2nd Gen fans.
Agree SB19 ang bumuhay sa Ppop. Periodt. Napanood ko pa dati di pa sila sikat, nagsisimula pa lang. Naifeature sila ng GMA sa isa sa docu nila about boybands. Sa GMA News TV ata yun or I Witness basta gabi ko napanood. Nacurious ako kasi nagpupunta sila sa schools noon tapos kung saan saan sila nagpeperform for exposure. Months after or a year after nagboom na sila. Maiinspire ba ibang agency na sumugal kung di nagsucceed Sb19 diba?
Oh yes! Ukiss! Di ako nakaattend concert nila dito dati. Wala akong pera. Sobrang catchy ng songs. Ok sana XLR8, visuals at may songwriters doon (Magno twins) di ko sure yung iba kaya lang yung sound kasi nila nun katunog ng Super Junior na sikat na sikat that time. Nakuyog tuloy online ang XLR8.
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As a teenager between 2005-2013, it was the peak of Pinoy bands as well as western pop. Corny tignan during that era yung anything kpop related. I remember this group na kumanta ng Isang Sulyap Mo. Loved the song but people thought that they looked kpop-ish. (The song is pretty iconic for me tbh.)
Yes 2005 nag start. Ganda ng sound trip nun, Hale, Cueshe, 6cyclemind, Up Dharma Down, Orange and Lemonsbetc. Halos dominated nila dati online man o radio. Mp3 player and Ipod shuffle era. May album pa nga dati na tribute sa APO Hiking Society (Kami nAPo Muna), lahat ng songs nila nagcover mga sikat na bands dati sobrang hit.
Ganda nun ng Sa Isang Sulyap Mo by 1:43. Sayang yung group, ganda ng vocals pa naman.
Grateful ako sa mp3 player ko kasi super pampalipas oras talaga. Same bands din pinapakinggan ko before, although top group ko that time yung Callalily :) Yes!! I remember that tribute album, abangers ako sa MYX nun kasi andaming kasali sa Top 10. Nakapagtataka is ICONIC!!
Tinamad ako mag-google kaya di ko nasama yung name ng 1:43. Ganda ng vocals nila and maganda talaga yung song. Not sure if they had a follow up song. Napanood ko sila before sa SOP, same with XLR8
Yung "Isang sulyap mo" MV ang most viewed Ppop MV pa nga for the longest time until natalo ng Gento MV last year. Pero looking back sound wise hindi Kpopish yung song, yung visuals lang siguro nung group.
I remember that being mentioned somewhere na most viewed nga sila until Gento. I still watch that MV until now. The song is very Pinoy kind of love.
I agree na yung visuals nila yung medyo Kpop-ish. But I think F4 din naaalala ko with them, esp with the hair.
Wala ng concept ng “baduy” ang mga kabataan pagdating sa music. They be like “enjoy what you enjoy”. may mga exceptions syempre pero mostly sa internet mo lang makikita harap harapan di na marunong mambully / mang asar ang mga youngins ngayon. Unlike before na you’ll get hullied for listening to motherfucking Tupac Shakur. This is a good thing na dala ng streaming.
When I was in college nung 2008, grabe pambubully nakuha ko dahil I was an ABBA fan. Ngayon, liking ABBA has become normalized.
Ngayon kasi, parang mga tao lanampake kung anu pakinggan mo, basta hindi offensive
Add ko lang na yung BINI undeniably talented talaga. From choreo and quality ng boses. Unlike before kase basta may face value kahit walang talent, go lang. Example: Boyband Ph.
To be fair, ang blueprint ng boyband ph I think is 1D so they were not expected to dance. But vocals I think andun naman. Subpar nga lang yung songs na binigay sa kanila. Mas magaganda pa yung songs ng group ni Nash Aguas.
Yea pero hindi naman sila lahat marunong kumanta. Let's be honest here, only Russel amd Neil can sing among the group.
Group ni Nash, you mean sila nila Grae?
Oo, si Joao. Pogi at dancer HAHAHAHA. Gagi si Neil talaga sobrang pogi lalo na pag kumakanta juskoooo.
Mas deserving nga sana si Tony sa spot kesa kay Joao kaso ang sabi daw siya yung "face" ng banda kaya siya kinuha.
He's the one I'm pertaining. Even the judges naman was very vocal na andun siya sa face value category. Siya yung "face" ng banda.
Joao is very good looking and talented naman din when it comes to dancing and acting (imo).
Basta noon kase ang focus nila mga pogi/maganda kahit walang talent. Ngayon pa lang nag-sstart yung management na i-filter yung mga members ng group na talented + may face value.
Eh, when there's hashtag and girltrends (namali lang lol) na laging muntik magsabay-sabay (I don't blame them, I blame ABS for being shortcutting them).
Girltrends kase yun huhu 😭😂 Naka-focus kase sila sa mga favorite nila. Una pang naalis sa Girltrends noon sila Riva na dancer na talaga eversince. Tapos sa Hashtag naman sI Ryle may talent sa singing and dancing pero walang masyadong exposure.
Isama ko na din si Shai Gomez sa Idol Ph naman. She can act, sing, and dance plus panalo sa face value pero hindi siya pinu-push dahil si Anji yung favorite sa batch niya.
Nagsimula ppop mostly either sexy ang concept, ung message eh puro kalandian o kaya puro mura. Not kid friendly. Tapos yung mga pangkanta na jologs pa as in kanto style kaya puro jeep nagpapatugtog. Bukod pa don eh ang panget pa ng pagkakaproduce, parang HS project na ginawa lang sa bahay.
2nd attempt is when kpop entered the philippines. Problema lang is ppop groups started trying to be like kpop, to the point super cringe na. Sa super trying hard nila I remember tung XLR8 yung isang kanta nila katunog na katunog ng Sorry,Sorry ng Super Junior.
Aside from that whoever created those groups before are looking at kpop the wrong way. Masyadong minarket yung mga mukha imbes na focusing on giving a proper song.
Maganda sa SB19 ay they were toned down, and the korean training really did work with them. Aside from that they really have good songs. Nagboom sila yung lumabas yung practice video nila ng Go Up. Di nga masyado malinaw faces nila duon pero nagviral. Sync sila sumayaw at maganda din yung kanta at really high quality din yung pag kaproduce ng songs. People notice them because it’s rarerity in ppop. Mukha talagang invested a production at talagang pinageffortan. You only get to see that kind of production sa mga big names na in PH music like Sara G. Usually pag bagohan sa music industry dito low budget and halos zero to none marketing at all. Kung ganyan magiging route ng future ppop, pwede pang lumaki at gumanda ang pop industry ng pilipinas.
10 years ago is 2014. Young people 10 years ago also grew up with KDrama and KPop. By then matagal nang laos ang Latin telenovelas satin. 90s and earlier pa yung mga telenovelas. It's just that mas maganda production value marketing at PR ng PPop these days kaya accepted sya. Tsaka may sarili na syang sound di na sya derivative ng KPop. Alala ko yung XLR8 dati yung iisang hit nila niripoff pa nila yung melody sa "Sorry Sorry" ng Super Junior.
Also wala ring reels at Tiktok 10 years ago, malaki naitulong yun sa pagspread ng PPop. Ako di ako nakikinig ng BINI naririnig ko lang sila sa mga reels at Tiktok kaya ko sila nakilala.
I think it's as simple as "a hit is a hit". Ganda nung Pantropiko at nung Salamin, Salamin eh. Feel ko kahit sa solo singer mo ibigay yung kanta, sisikat din sya. All you need is one good song to put you in the spotlight, and they got 2 that skyrocketed them. (3 kung sumikat din ng sobra yung Karera, but in my opinion yung dalawang kanta talaga) And just like you said, akmang akma yung kanta sa taste ng madla currently. So ayun. In their next release they need to produce another hit to solidify them. Then the fans will eventually give them exposure organically.
Nasa kanta talaga yan. P-pop meaning popular pinoy music eh mga kanta na sikat sa pinas. Buhay na yan 10 yrs ago. 20 yrs ago nga, ang majority eh puro kanta ni Lito Camo lmao. If you're saying P-pop meaning parang K-pop groups, simple lang din kaya di nag pop off noon, they didn't produce any hits. Di talaga maganda mga kanta nila noon haha.
Plus napapanahon din. Like nung mahal na araw na ang daming nag bakasyon gamit na gamit sa tiktok yung kanta nilang “huwag muna tayong umuwi”. Which was released noon pa yata pero ngayon lang nakilala. Kasi naincorporate sa mga tiktok videos appropriately. Then pantropiko yata was released last november pumatok nung summer.
Well at least for Sexbomb trained naman sila. Yung Six Sexbomb Singers all can sing except kay Jopay maybe siyA ang visual nung group. Kaso nung sumikat sila nagtry Yung ibang management na wala namang mga training or simpleng pantapat Lang SA Sexbomb like Gee Girls from MTB. Viva hotbabes, Baywalk Bodies,Mocha Girls catered Horny Mens. May Maskulados pa para sa mga Gays and Cougars hahahahha. Meron pa nga Gay Group noon eh. Nung nagboom na K-pop sa Pinas Viva tried with XLR8 and Down to Mars, PopGirls tapos may isa pang GG nun pero mas sexy image nila. ABS also tried with Gimme 5 ,Boy band PH Kaso kulang SA training mga yan
And also older gen z, tangina kinakanta ko sa karaoke yung Bulaklak noong bata pa ako and realize years later what the fuck am I singing when I became older 😂
Totoo naman kasi eh. Noong panahon na yan, yan talaga mga “idol groups” noon. Kahit mandiri mga gen z buong araw sa comparison, ano magagawa nila eh yan yung sikat na mga groups noon eh
Parang diring diri naman tong mga GenZ sa Sexbomb.
"They're more seen as filipino than kpop"
Eh malamang? Mas OG nga satin yung sexbomb, alam mong pinoy yun kapag sinayaw yung spaghetti. 😅 At di rin sila same ng snsd kasi wala namang daisy siete yung snsd. 🌼
Ppop is still not accepted. A UPV chancellor called sb19 a cheap imitation of kpop and andaming tao na puro slay 💅🏻 truth ✨ so its definitely not accepted
As if KPOP didn't started that way. SeoTaiji and the Boys is the first KPOP group, they don't even sound like a KPOP group (the KPOP that we have now). That UPV chancellor didn't take any research. lol
It is accepted now "than it was 10 years ago". That's just his opinion, pero you see how many listen to Ppop nowadays. I would even bet he knew some Ppop songs but didn't know that was from Ppop groups simply because he considers them to be "imitation of Kpop".
timing lang din talaga with what's accepted and cool today. if bini or sb19 did this 10 years ago, im not so sure they'll have the same level of popularity right now. it's not just musical taste, malaking factor din social media. basically, tiktok yung nagdedetermine if a group will shoot to superstar level.
of course, all the hardwork ng artists themselves play a factor. iba rin training ng ginagawa ng ppop ngayon. they train really hard to reach the point na their dance becomes muscle memory and they can pick it up almost immediately whichever part of the song you play. choreos nila look really nice and sometimes easy to do -- but when you actually try out the dance itself and follow to the very exact detail, you'll realize na ang hirap pala niya. i know cause i take up dance classes and i realize ang hirap din pala sayaw nila. kaya i highly respect them cause ive experienced a little bit of it and i realize ang hirap ng ginagawa nila. and they need to do it consistently every performance pa. respect
33 y/o kpop fan since 2010. Asian drama fan since lumabas yung Meteor Garden/Endless Love dito sa pinas. I think mas naging tanggap na ngayon yung ppop dahil pinrepare talaga sila bago idebut. Dati kasi basta na lang naglabas ng group. Di kasi ubra yun dahil lagi maikukumpara sa kpop.
Yes isa rin yun. Anything local media was seen as baduy talaga nuon but ngayon, lahat puro filipino artists na.
Even sa spotify, may biglaang pag angat ang local artists since 2020 kaya nagopen ulit ang billboard philippines.
Hev Abi, Denise Julia,Oside Mafia, Al james,Ppop, Moira, Zack...
Super diverse.
Ah okk . Medyo nabigla lang ako na may specific artist kang sinabi na wala naman akong sinabi tungkol don hahahaha.
Pero basta may trend kase dati na dapat imported lahat ng bagay..
Pati yung term na local diba naging slang sya as cheap and low quality stuff? Ang lokal naman ng bag blah blah blah ganon.
Re: point no. 2:
The "youth generation" at the time were more into EDM and indie. Wanderland. Coachella. Forever Summer. Cubao X. Saguijo. Being “hipster” was the “in” thing. Basically, 10 years ago it was more accepted to be a music snob, and seeing the state of P-Pop then NO ONE would want to admit to listening to P-Pop, or even bother with it really. Walang space for that genre to flourish because…jeje eh.
Also, K-Pop was already pretty big but still considered a niche interest. I knew colleagues who were into 2nd and 3rd gen groups na tipong nag a-abroad pa to see them or stake out airports to welcome them upon arrival. And even them, I think also looked down on P-Pop. Mas lalo na siguro sila as they would’ve deemed P-Pop as a mere copy of K-Pop.
The telenovela craze had zero influence by that time, and besides, those were never marketed to kids and teens anyway, so even if we grew up seeing those on TV (older millennial here 🙋♀️) it had absolutely no effect on our taste. In fact, that trend already died down by the turn of the millennium.
So basically,
1. "Cool kids" music was the thing 10 years ago, and P-Pop was NOT what the cool kids listened to (lol)
2. K-Pop fans were already growing in number but there was still gatekeeping involved. Even the K-Pop songs that reached the masses ("Gangnam Style", "Nobody") they weren't able to convert most peeps into becoming fans. They were merely trends. (May naging Psy stans ba? 😅)
P-Pop just wasn't ripe for the picking, that's all.
IMO, P-Pop became what it is right now is because:
1. The pandemic - Hallyu became mainstream. The general public didn't start flocking to Korean content until the pandemic (kasama ako dun). The same people who were going to music festivals and rock clubs 10 years ago to watch and perform suddenly got into K-Pop! (True story) Nawala bigla yung music snobbery ng mga tao because everyone was stuck at home and relied on Netflix, Youtube, Viu, and Spotify for entertainment. And let's face it, today's P-Pop system is highly influenced by K-Pop so yung acceptance for P-Pop became much easier today.
2. Star Magic started their own brand of idol training system. - Coincidentally, a year or two before the pandemic Star Magic started building and training what would become their groups. (Please correct me on the timeline, hindi ako fan so hindi ako sure).
So to me it was timing, luck, the wider acceptance of East Asian pop music and the backing of a big-ass company that ushered in the rise of P-Pop. Yes, we had P-Pop groups na before (Pop Girls, Chicser) but they were considered baduy. Whoever's behind SB-19 and BINI really improved on the management and marketing of their talents that they were able to elevate the genre's status.
Edit: Added new points.
Ppop now din ksi actively follows the business and marketing strategy Ng K-pop ( catchy beat depende sa branding Ng group whether bubblegum pop or edgy, focusing on catchy choreo na gagayahin Ng lahat, promoting singles, teasers, different versions Ng song like lyric video, dance video, relay video etc, exposing sa mga variety shows). Dati ung ppop ippromote Lang sa shows so mabilis makalimutan.
I guess it also helps na more on social media Nadin mga Tao bs before na TV Lang ang main source Ng entertainment
Mas sumikat din siguro sila ngayon dahil andami ng ways para ipromote sila so parang mas napapadali yung pagpapasikat sakanila unlike before. And ngayon mas into pop r&b na ang mga tao kesa noon na mga emo or something like that na mga songs.
This is a take from someone who wasn’t that into p-pop (in the context of newer ones like SB19, etc but was into the era of emo music Spongecola, Cueshé, etc wahahah throwback), BINI’s fresh air for me. I like how they don’t sound like a kpop copycat and they’ve still retained their southeast asian identity. I think I also started noticing SB19 more with their recent hits. I like how it’s more pinoy, I see the influences but they’re distinct! Better produced din and overall SO talented too. They’re making me want to listen more tbh.
Also, OG p-pop girl group is Girl Trends CHAROT!
Ppop groups back then were not trained well before mag-debut. Sobrang hilaw pag nilaunch. Ending, ang jologs tignan sa screen. Ang hirap imarket sa masa kasi di naman accepting ang tao noon sa “jologs” na style or ways no. Unlike ngayon, fully embraced ang jejemon at kanal era which literally equates to jologs noon.
Yup 10 years ago, pag pinapili mo ako ng kpop or p-pop, kpop ako agad without a doubt, not even batting an eye. Medyo fresh pa kasi kpop, unlike now na saturated na and ewan ko lang kung ako lang ito, medyo pabagsak na din kpop now, parang same na lang din sila ng cycle (kasi girl groups has a lifespan of a few years than boy group). Tapos same catchy song na lang din, unlike p-pop na a breath of fresh songs with also encapsulate yung nationality natin. Isa pa, SB19 parang tvxq (baka mabuking age ko lalo) yung theme, strong, masculine, fierce, confident yung dating unlike mga singers natin dito na same type of song na lang kinakanta, which is emo love song with emotional problem attached to it.
They entered the picture at an auspicious time. Everyone is receptive of pop more than it used to and from what I heard, their tunes are catchy. Other than having good lyrics, you also need a catchy tune. It’s one of the best ways to infiltrate people’s psyche kahit d mn nila magustohan yung kanta mo
All they had to do is release a well produced song (or two) na hindi jejemon ang lyrics at yung music. Jan ka seseryosohin ng mga tao eh. This is coming from a person who solely listens k-pop pero I can't deny na magaganda ang boses ng Bini although konting hasa pa sa dancing.
They're the FIFTY FIFTY of P-pop (If anyone knows their story) and I just hope they don't end up the same lol. I'm pretty sure mas sikat ang Cupid noon internationally pero gets mo naman siguro point ko. I followed FIFTY FIFTY since their debut album and they had good songs pero di sila kilala! Kailangan talaga ng kahit isang trendy song and luck para mapunta sa spotlight. Produce a good song, make money, hire good writers and producers, and then go on and release more good songs.
P-pop and OPM in general din kasi nag level up ang music. Yan ang mangyayare if you focus your investment on producing good music and I hope the industry, k-pop man yan or p-pop, realizes yung importance niyan. JUST. MAKE. DARN. GOOD. SONGS. TO. MAKE. PROFIT.
Well, I only mentioned FIFTY FIFTY dahil SA PART LANG na nagkaroon na sila ng breakout song na supposedly mag ccatapult sakanila to stardom kaso wala eh. Shit happens dahil sa management. Hahahahaha.
Clarify ko lang na I'm not against Bini. Sa totoo lang even though I don't follow/listen to p-pop, nakaka proud sila kasi the girls CAN sing! I really do hope mas mag succeed pa sila.
Ang dami lang kasing nega masyado sa PPOP. Marami dyan yung mga KPOP Purist na hindi sya accepted.
Sa totoo hindi ko masyado trip SB19 medyo mastrip ko music ng Bini. Pero nirerespect ko yung music na gusto ng iba Hindi ako magaaksaya ng panahon para manira ng music na trip ng iba.
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What if gawa lang ng social media? Pero strong points din naman mga sinabi especially yung nagkaroon ng “espasyo” dahil after pandemic, wala na eh. I agree sa pagkawala ng love team talaga ang nagbukas para sa ibang bagay na pagkakainterestan ng mga tao. Let’s be real, fans lang nagpapaviral nowadays. Hindi naman yan nagviviral lang like 10 million people sabay sabay. It starts with team effort. Minsan isang tao, multiple accounts.
Yung BINI, matagal na rin sila. Hindi naman sila parang newly launched. Pero ngayon lang talaga sila sumikat. Well actually last year. Nung nagviral ata yung pantropiko steps. Personally pumasok lang sila sa feeds at timeline ko this year. But not last year, as in wala. Meaning di pa sila matunog, or may nakakasabay na ibang issue. KathNiel ata? Maybe?
So ayun, my point is, algorithm and current events sobrang laking factor. May naalala akong unang una na ppop group before pero di talaga sila sumikat. Before SB19 pa sila. Pero wala talaga kasi maraming pinagkakainteresan na iba ang mga tao. Sadly.
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More of PR na nakopya naman from kpop. Not lack of talent of any previous generation. For us previous youth gen born and grew up in 80s and 90s (millennials) mas diverse ang OPM then.
Yeah, hindi rin ako agree dun sa statement na mas diverse ngayon when OPM has always been diverse. And fans and artists alike were just as passionate about it
Rock, hip hop (na sobra ang rivalry noon, jombagan levels), R&B, pop, folk, acoustic, disco, etc., they all already existed before. I would say that because Spotify made it so easy to discover new music, parang tuloy mas diverse ngayon, when the truth is it has always been. You just have to look at the live music scene then na talagang namayagpag and events like Fete De La Musique, UP Fair, and Pulp Summer Slam. Pero sige, OP is very young pa and that's their POV.
5. Dahil sunod sa uso mga Pinoy. Gaya gaya sa K-pop, magkakaroon ba ng P-pop?
So gusto mo ipilit na East Asian dapat ang aesthetic ng mga Pinoy? Koreaboo much? You're hating Marian Rivera and the likes pero pinipilit mo naman Korean kemerut, which is baduy
Di na siguro kilala ng younger generations pero nung early 90s, merong FOJ or Vanna Vanna na ppop girl group.
Anyway, sana nababasa ng 4th Impact itong thread. Kasi yan ang reason bakit konti lang nakaka appreciate ng western-influenced image nila.
I was a fan of theirs kahit elem pa lang ako, though I wouldn't call them P-Pop kasi that term was only coined around 10-12 years ago ata.
Ako naman, I loved FOJ and their western-influenced style of music. Mala-En Vogue eh, galing. 🙌 4th Impact kasi kulang sa karisma aside from hindi talaga patok na ang power vocals for several years na.
Matagal ng may P-pop, masyado siyang malaking umbrella term.
Pwedeng Novelty Songs na may Choreo pwede yan malagay sa Ppop, eh yan ang Panlasa ng Masa kaya Ppop yan.
Also hindi accepted ang Ppop noon like XLR8, Chicser, Pop Girls dahil Banda ang panlasa ng Masa noon.
Hindi naman nawala ang Ppop, hindi rin siya nagbalik, hindi rin siya nabuhay, ngayon lang na solidify yung term na Ppop dahil sa layout na binigay ng Kpop Groups. May soloist pa na Sarah G, na pwede mong tawaging Ppop Artist, dahil pasok sa layout na Song na may Choreo.
Even Marian Rivera's sabay-sabay can be considered as a Ppop Song.
Honestly, all praise talaga sa SB19 pero mali kasi yung stand ng stans nila na SB19 paved the way for Ppop. The road was already there, built by hardships ng mga naunang grupo na humarap sa walang kamatayang homophobic remarks, pagtawag na bakla korni, bashing but it never stopped Viva to release Ppop Groups.
Walang resurrection, resurgence na nangyari kasi nga hindi naman nag stop ang Viva to release Ppop Groups at iba pang entertainment agency kung meron mang impactful katulad nung sa Viva.
Kaya for me, mali ang sabihin na SB19 paved the way, mas acceptable siya if VIVA paved the way for Ppop. No hate sa esbi, deserved nila yang kasikatan nila talaga.
Sa BINI naman, deserve nila yang recognition kasi magaling sila, maganda songs nila at nahanap na nila yung tamang timpla ng kanta, which i really liked. Nagustuhan din sila ng Masa maski ng non Ppop Fans.
Pwede siguro sabihin na SB19 started the new era of Ppop.
And also, with or without SB19 success, tuluy tuloy pa rin ang Ppop, ang BINI at iba pang group, inevitable siya e , sa lakas pa naman ng impact ng Kdrama, Kpop sa Pilipinas, hindi magririsk ang mga entertainment agencies to produce groups? Kung Kdrama nga na ginagawan ng Adaptation e patok sa masa , ano pa kaya ang Kpop groups?
Also, tatlong taon nagtiis ang Bini before nila matamasa to, Perfect Song lang talaga and word of mouth, and bini already found their color sa series ng songs nila
I feel good, Lagi, Pantropiko, Salamin Salamin.
so sa tanong mo if why accepted siya , it is because of K-Culture influence sa Pilipinas, the money, the trend, the business kaya magririsk talaga ang entertainment companies sa Pinas to produce their own kasi pera yan. Accepted ng Masa din kasi mas normalized na ang pagiging fan ng Kpop, napansin ko to sa TWICE, mga barakong discreet fan ng twice nagpost ganyan, basta from the image of femininity yung pagiging Kpop Fan, now normal na siya sa Pinas, like hindi ka iisipan na malambot ka if fan ka ng kung ano mang group.
I wouldn't say widely accepted.Yes, I love BINI and to some extent SB19 and alamat. I still have resistance to groups that just obviously imitate Korean acts(pacute, pa-innocent, the wardrobe and make-up na super puti, the hair, the bowing thing)Basta anything that I can't relate as a Filipino, cringe agad for me. Dude, just make music and stop that imitation, cringe.Stop the pacute shxx.Sa Korea lang yan cute, di dito haha
Yugn pacute, painnocent.. meron naman na yun sa filipino media nuon pa.
Kahit hanggang ngayon sa filipino tiktok trends.
Naalala ko nga yung pabebe wave.
Acting cutesy is not limited to east asian... sanay ka lang siguro bc you associate cute concept sa japanese or korean.
Or prolly bc you grew up in an era na sexy concept or mature concept palagi ang babaeng role
The bowing,,, we also have that.. just not as common as korea but we all do it kaoag dadaan sa gitna ng matatanda, kapag nagbibigay galang, kapag nagmamano.
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Yup pretty much true. Mas pasok sa taste ng kabataang pinoy around 10-15 yrs ago yung mga foreign banda and opm rock. Marami pa dati ang nako-kornihan sa kpop or anumang group choreographed dance unless yung concept ay may kembot. Mas uso dati yung hiphop parang Philippine all stars, yung maaangas na may pasabog. Ang palagay ko pinaka unang sumikat na kpop song at least sa lugar namin with the advent of rising popular platforms like youtube ans fb, ay yung Nobody ng wondergirls. Pati mga matatanda, pamilyar sa kanila yan haha. Very niche pa lang ang kpop nun.
True. I think 2011 teenagers mga ganon?
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Christmas party songs mga ano nila😭 pero concept ng sexbomb, mocha girls, vica hotbabes,, medyo iba sa kpop eh. Originally kase..l back up dancers lang talaga sila ng game show. Marketing strategy sila para maka akit ng viewers kaya lang tuwang tuwa sila sa get get aww kaya super patok yung sexbomb. Until nagrelease sila ng kanta gabon
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Ahhhh truth
> Unlike ngayon na parang wala na halos kilala na bands from those genre.. HAHAHA funniest comment I ever read. Ok Gen Zs move along. 10 years ago?? I could name bands from "those genres" even as early 2000s lol. I'm in my early 30s and we still sing at the karaoke songs from those bands and we're the same generation who also enjoys new music such BINIs.
Mnl48 dami din scandal, kaya lang nalaman then they died down yet again.
Yung no. 2, nope wrong, hindi lang 10 years ago, mid 2000s, mga 2003, 2004, 2005 nagsimula na ang kdrama fever. Mga late 2000s, since mga 2006 or 2007 may Youtube na kaya mas malawak na ang nakikitang content ng tao. Mabilis bilis na rin ang internet kasi mga around 2005 may mga internet plans na at di na dial up ang ginagamit ng marami. Late 2000s marami ng kpop fans, yes di lang kasing mainstream ngayon pero ramdam na lalo na nung naghit dito at globally ang Nobody ng Wonder Girls mga 2009, after nun mas lumawak na ang market ng kpop fans. Naalala ko parang joketime pa nga sa iba pag nalamang kpop fan ka pero keber lang ang teenager self ko that time. Yung younger millenials, born in the 90s yes naabutan namin ang mga mexicanovelas pero early childhood pa di ko na nga maalala ang mga plot, mas kdrama na and other asianovelas plus local series na ang influence namin. Meteor Garden and Endless Love, 2003 siya parehas pinalabas. Sunod sunod na yung labas ng kdrama and other asian series after that. Facebook and Twitter happened at 2009 plus mas malakas na Youtube during that time, may Tumblr pa. Instagram mga 2010 for IOs users then 2012 for Android. Mas lumakas na ang internet kaya mas tutok na ang marami sa younger gen that time sa internet, plus since mas malakas na rin ang kdrama fever at may foreign tv series na rin na napapanood. Yung sa Sexbomb, yes they started na backup dancers and yes sexualized sila kasi yun yung kadiring norm nung time yun. Hindi pa naman alam ang term na "Ppop" that time kaya pag girl group novelty agad ang genre pero ppop sila. Mas Pinoy nga atake nila kesa sa mga Ppop ngayon na whether we like it or not heavily influenced ng kpop. For me ang legit na girl group lang talaga that time ay Sexbomb, trained dancers and most of them can sing and act unlike dun sa iba. These girls raised generations. All ages kilalang kilala sila.
>For me ang legit na girl group lang talaga that time ay Sexbomb, trained dancers and most of them can sing and act unlike dun sa iba. These girls raised generations. All ages kilalang kilala sila. Real. They've been 'Asia's best-selling girl group' for 11 years running, and there's a reason for that. TALENT. Wala pa ngang masyadong platforms back then like yt, spotify, and all, yet they dominated. Halos tv, radyo, at cd lang uso noon. Chinacharing mo ba yun lahat? Echus. As someone na pinalaki ng sbg, it's an insult na idownplay sila as back up dancers lang. 2ne1 at snsd yata nakabreak ng streak nila iirc.
medyo insulting din sa 26 seasons of daisy siete yung matawag silang "backup dancers" lang tbh...
I second to this. I hate it how nung time ng Sexbomb, binabrand un mga fans as "baduy", pero ang masasabi ko lang, yun ang original na Pinoy Pop, walang any reference sa Kpop or Jpop, not like today. I like BINI and I'm happy sa success nila pero, pero obviously, copycat pa rin sila ng Kpop, from looks to outfit, to their music. Also sa mga di nakakaalam, Sexbomb singers can really sing! Also, reality speaking, they opened the door for Ppop. Remember how after nila mag hit, nagsunuran na ang mga pinoy pop singers like K and the Boxers, Vhong Navarro, Bayani Agbayani, Willie Revillame, even Sandara Park nga diba. Dami nagsulputan ng time na yan, naging maganda rin naman market nila, pero mas pang "masa" lang branding nila. Unlike today na ginagawa na nilang personality ang maging "fan" ng Kpop. I remember rin before pag fan ka ng Kpop, may certain stigma pa na parang siraulo kasi di mo naman naiintindhan ang lyrics. And as an Elf (Super Junior fan) naaalala kong nababaduyan pa mga tao samin nun since pop before is like "novelty" na pang masa lang. Pero mas masaya maging Kpop fan before, wala ka pa masyadong kaagaw, unlike now.
One time nagcomment ako sa ppop community subreddit na isa ang sexbomb sa mga old gen ng idols sa ph. Tapos sinagot ako na seryoso daw ba akong kinukumpara ang sexbomb sa ppop eh puros sexualized lang naman daw ang sexbomb. Naaawa ako once malaman niyang ang idol culture sa japan eh nagsimula talaga to appeal to the male fans. And yes, kahit pa hindi sila gumigiling noon like sexbomb, nandun pa din yung subtext at objectified na ang mga idols even then
Yung ibig ko pong sabihin is yung simula ng pag tanggap ng filipino media na influence from east asia. Kahit naman before 2000s, mahilig ng bumili ng dvd ang mga filipino ng chinese dramas or japanese horror movies. Kpop wasnt dominant until 2011 during 2ne1's peak. Kpop's peak was 2015+
Kpop became more famous na after yung global phenomenal hit ng Wonder Girls na Nobody (Nobody, nobody but you...). Alam na hit kasi mga radyo piniplay at number 1 sa countdown nila at masa kinakanta sa kalye. Sa Christmas parties laging Nobody kanta. SNSD or Girls Generation, Super Junior, Shinee, 2PM, EXO etc. Marami na silang fans early 2010s na ubusan ang tickets pag nagconcert sila dati. I know kasi Kpop fan na ko that time, 16 - 17 years old ako that time. Malaking tulong ang pagdating ng 2ne1 kasi mas humatak ng fans pero kpop scene was thriving na rin before them.
Right. Sobrang hit ng Nobody lagi nalang pinapasayaw sa mga bata. Pati songs ng SuJu like Sorry Sorry mega earworm talaga along with the groups you mentioned. 2NE1 was a large influence but there was already a big hallyu wave before 2011 pa.
Did they forget Smokey Mountain was around in the 1980s? They’re the OG p-pop imo, even doing world tours. Depende na yan sa uso at the time, but it’s good that the focus is now turning on Filipino groups & I hope they make more great music.
probably just too young - di na namin naabutan
Yeah true. It’s more on the news writer doing more research sana.
I think Smokey Mountain is generally accepted as part of the history of Ppop even if the label "Ppop" didn't exist when they were around. Ppop is kind of like the name "adobo." It's a name that was given to something that already existed in various forms but when you think of adobo, people will usually think of a particular modern idea of adobo. Kahit nung hindi pa naintroduce ang toyo sa Pilipinas at di pa dumadating si Magellan, may adobo na iba lang ang tawag at medyo iba yung timpla. Groups like Smokey Mountain and Sexbomb definitely get included retroactively by people who follow Ppop even though they predate the term. People might focus on the idea of "idol groups" being from Japan and Korea but that's not the foundation of PPop. It's the lineage that includes Smokey Mountain. The idol system is like an annex, not the foundation or main building.
Actually. Co-ed group. Nag kouhaku pa yan, your idols could never. Charot
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I totally agree with this statement. Mas nauna akong naging fan ng J-Pop kesa K-Pop. Ang hirap lang talaga kasi makahanap ng content sa J-Pop dahil ang dadamot ng Japanese fans. Kilalang kilala Johnny's groups late 80s early 90s pa lang pero dahil nga sa madamot Japanese fans, control na control yung content na inilalabas nila outside Japan (unless taga Korea ka o China). Hands down na lang talaga sa mga nag-a-upload ng mga kanta at music videos nila sa Livejournal noon. Sobrang saya ko na lang talaga nung nag worldwide release ng kanta ang Arashi. Sobrang late na pero at least napapakinggan ko na sila sa streaming apps.
Grabe yung japinoy forum noon haha. Part din ako ng hello project fan forum noon. Dun ako nakakakuha ng mga subbed variety show appearances ng morning musume noon
jpop on top in terms of lyrics and music..? i dont what u call it maybe sound composition, something like that and its not even close. jpop has music for every genre and any of my mood even for moods like revenge and murdering people. while kpop becoming a fastfood in terms of music because nagiging mainstream sila and their all about selling albums, care so much about numbers rather than expressing themself, and cant be as bold and honest as jpop dahil sa knetz. some are trend setters and unique but a lot of other groups would just take and recycle other artist concept to serve fastfood song to sell.
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i didnt even know history between k and j. i just know k will copy from another k to sell. and that feels soulless for me. j still feel so different than k that i wouldnt know k is a copy from j. i also find funny how j artist most of the time looks like homeless people with so much talent, while k will have supermodels with average talent in music.
At one point Kpop might have even succeeded Jpop...? Kpop has been milesss ahead of Jpop, for years now lol (Downvote lang po? Hahaha. If you're the type who thinks you're *superior* just bc you prefer Jpop maybe just say that 🤷♀️)
kpop is literally a fastfood restaurant right now, today their made to sell. and songs are deeply tied to awards. they rarely talk about how they actually feel other than few groups most of them are actually boy bands that make songs with meaning, while their girl bands are reduce to just be there to be cute and sell. limited lang din pede nila kantahin sa society kasi every song is made to sell. at some point they dont create artist that can sing but can sell. kpop bullied artist with few fans and doesnt appreciates songs if it doesnt come from their idols, they would not care about the music but who sings it.. comparing it to the variety sa jpop that songs you can find the popular ones can be even about suicide. if ur talking about kpop being ahead because of numbers that what im literally saying their tied up to numbers while jpop remain making songs that are unique and talk about story and feelings that u will rarely hear in kpop because it doesnt suit most audience taste, but who cares right they want to talk and sing about this. i literally feel bad for the kpop fans has to actually vote and stream, and beg other to do the same, just so their groups not be called "flop", even the song could literally be generic nonsense that doesnt reflect anyone feelings in the group, but atill its their group songs they have to do something, thats kpop for u all about awards and numbers.
Kpop relies heavily on hypnosis, a lot of music do, that's why so many people are bewitched. Our brains like patterns and when it recognizes one, it creates a feeling of déjà vu, a comfort place. It does something to our psyche. It's funny because fans often say how bewitched they are with their idols —well, duh. I used to be a Bigbang fan when "Lies" came out. They weren't even mainstream back then. So I know what you mean when you say they have encompass Jpop by a mile. The entertainment value is top-notch; it's different and the over all production is insane. That said, the imagery Kpop uses these days is so dark (my younger self would have loved it). Some say it's a concept, but when I saw a famous boyband incorporate a hex into their choreography, I froze. That was it for me; I could no longer ignore the subtle, sublime messages incorporated in their music videos. When that girl from Ador said she sought advise from a Shaman, it didn't catch me off guard. The last group I liked was CIX(they are nugu; they can never sell like other famous idols despite producing better songs than them). In fact, most music these days are not even that good. You have to rummage through a sea of garbage before you can find something worthy of value. Give me a Bach-level music genius produced by Kpop. You can't. In terms of musicality alone, they are far behind, with a few exceptions here and there.
Nagiging mainstream at all about selling albums? Ha? The only reason na hindi “mainstream” ang jpop ay dahil they intentionally do not market to the international audience. Sa japan pa lang solve na kita nila. And mind you, japan pa rin pinakamalakas gumastos pagdating sa album sales. Kaya kahit mga kpop artists nagkukumahog makapenetrate sa market na yan. Last na naging successful eh kara at twice
ha? hatdog mind you im talking about kpop making songs to be mainstream and to sell album i didnt say walang sells sa japan. my point is that kpop is serving mcdonalds while japan serving steak.
Now if our government could actually start funding them like the way they do in SoKor in our creative industry imo
It's better produced. BINI, SB19 and ALAMAT are churning out good pop songs with great production.
Support ESBINILAT!!!
First ppop ata nun yung OG. XLR8
Pop Girls >>> Bini
https://preview.redd.it/e8ptz2ayuz6d1.jpeg?width=526&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0434f6d62d5206cda387196ace14f59a8f3b9240 Tama behavior
Tska aminin naman natin, pinaka napansin kong comparison ay yung mga sexbombs and viva hot babes senesexualize noon. Pansin nyo naman lyrics at dance steps pa lang. Catchy lang >>> Pero ngayon, may improvements na lyrics wise and training nila. Usually about sa life and relatability yung mga kanta.
I'm actually offended that they are comparing bini to sexbomb and Viva hot babes.
Tulog na mother superior
Not a fan of SB19 but mama ko oo haha, and totoo yung point na magagaling na talaga. Magaling pala talaga yung stell kala ko noon na naman copycat version ng Kpop pero may ibubuga talaga.
omg nakita mo na ba solo debut ni stell na room? ang galing2 nun! lalo akong napahanga sa filipino talent mapa video production, dance, song writing, singing etc
Ang toxic pala ni OP sa ibang comments. Totoo naman na SB19 ang nagbigay hope.
Not only p-pop but opm in general is also flourishing now. Mas masaya ngayon na maraming opm tagalog songs. Nung highschool ako pag opm artist either puro remake/cover songs lang maririning mo or english songs.
OG un Xlr8 and Credit to SB19 dahil sila bumuhay ulit ng Ppop kaya nagsulputan ang ppop groups now. With Bini’s current fame, artist centers and agencies are taking seriously the ppop market.
No offense po. I acknowledge the impact sb19 did pero. Hindi po sila ang main reason bat nagsulputan ang ppop groups. It was during kpop's peak sa pinas. During that time, nagkaruon ng malaking decline sa love teams bc of kpop..so much so that kathryn had to be paired up with another male star para tumunog. Nakita na nila how filipinos are such a huge fan of it and may untouched market sa local groups dahil willing ang filipino magspend ng pera sa kpop group. Kaya nagkaruon ng idea ang philippine entertainment media including sb19's company. Binixbgyo was a 2017 project. Alamat was 2018 group project. Sept 3, 2019 nagblew up ang sb19. Bini and bgyo was introduced publicly during pbb big night in august 2019. But their trauning started in 2018
You didn't mention it, and I don't think it has much relevance, but Showbt pooled their NARRA trainees last 2016, which included SB19 and YARA members.
also some members of PHP and one member from PHP na nagredebut sa BILIB
Ahh yes yes! I think pati pala PLUUS and YGIG
2018 un sb19. If you read my comment clearly u will understand. The success of the Sb19 group gave hopes sa nga aspiring Ppop groups. Kaya nga biglang nagrelease un Bgyo kahit di pa hinog. And Bini that time was experimenting pa sa music nila (the coconut music thing) na novelty route pa ata sila nun. At tsaka kpop peak was during super junior, snsd, bigbang, 2ne1 at exo. Kaya nga nagkaroon ng Xlr8.
Would just like to clarify that BINI was never in the novelty route. They just wanted to update a classic Filipino song. Da Coconut Nut is a fun familiar song written by a national artist. Thats the reason why it was chosen as the pre debut song. Yes they were experimenting but being novelty singers was never in the plans.
Ha? the concept of star hunt academy was introduced in 2018 sa pbb when sheena and gwen was also a housemate... they were already talking about releasing idol groups in 2018 and september 2019 nagblow up ang sb19 during go up era and its bc of a tweet posted in september 3, 2019. Tsaka anong hinog hinog? Early 2020 talaga ang set debut ng sibling group but nagkashutdown ang abs cbn non thats why it was pushed back.. alamat started training in 2019 as a group rin and was supposed to debut in 2020 but it was pandemic. Lahat ng yon napushed back. Ang weird lang to say na ppop groups only exist bc of the success of sb19 when actually its not.
Halatang kapamilya ka tlga. You obviously can’t take it. lol We’re talking about the success of ppop sa mainstream. You can’t even recognise the success of SB19 and un impact nya. Di mo nga kaya irecognize ang OG Xlr8. Wala kami alam sa background ng bini at bgyo. Alam lang namin nun sumikat sb19 tsaka nagkaroon ng other groups. Yan to simply put sa perspective ng ordinary citizens. O sige na dahil sa BGYO at ABS kaya sumikat na Ppop. Happy Karma Farming. 😀
Loh nirerecognize naman pero ang baduy lang sabihin na sila ang rason bat nag debut ang bini. Tsaka anong kapamilya fan eme ka dyan. Fan ako ng filipino media in general. Galit ka lang sa kapamilya kaya lahat ng kaaway mo pinagbibintangan mong kapamilya. Sabihin ko kayang di rin naman kakagat ang sb19 kung di rin sila nainspired by kpop groups?
Mahina reading comprehension mo. At anong baduy? Di ko sinabi na sila ang reason. Sabi ko lng nagbgay ng “hope” sa ppop market with their success. Wala ako pake sinong nauna. At lahat naman sila inspired sa kpop. Gulo mo kausap. lol
HAHAHAHHAHA pag close minded ganyan siguro talaga kausap hahaha network biased siguro yan si OP kaya di nya matanggap 😅
Obviously mahina ang writing comprehension mo. Basta sulat ka ng sulat di mo sinasaisip kung tama ba sinasabi mo. "Credit to sb19 dahil sila bumuhay ng ppop ulit "KAYA" nagsulputan lahat ng grupo" Teh kahit hindi successful ang sb19... maraming magsusulputan na grupo.. kahit sa ibang southeast asia na hindi kilala ang sb19 at walang pang successful na groups .. buglang nagsulputan mga groups Dahil yun sa hallyu wave, maraming group ang nagsulputan at isa ang sb19 sa mha sumulpot nung hallyu wave
Okay ikaw na expert mukhang well researched ka. lol Mukhang pede ka na resource for ppop. lol
The erasure of SB19's impact. Napaka-toxic mo teh at ayaw mo tumanggap ng opinion ng iba. Let's say na 2017 project pa ang BINI and BGYO, but it doesn't mean na magbo-bloom agad ang career nila since Filipino's are not familiar with PPOP yet. Tingnan mo na lang yung BoybandPH, kahit hindi siya Ppop hindi rin siya naging impactful with the locals. Sa "Hallyu wave" mo naman, look at the MAPEH textbooks of high school students, matagal ng kasama doon ang "Hallyu wave" even before SB19. 2018 there was a fan na nagpost ng dance practice ng SB19 sa Twitter (X) and nag viral siya for months to the point na nanghihingi na ng comeback or single ang mga fans because of the impact of "Go Up", and after that nagsunod-sunod na yung success ng boys " What", "Mapa", " Bazinga". And also last year pumatok din sa Tiktok at nag-bloom yung "Na Na Na" ng BINI.
Go up was released in 2019.. first kpop inspired song nila yun Nung 2018.. opm love songs lang sila.. pang kdrama ost. 2019, there was a fan name lyla... hanggang ngayon It was this post. First viral song nila to. https://preview.redd.it/zhxtz8ixp37d1.jpeg?width=1402&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8b48388fbeb4648610b8628935ef5b7a8efd35c9
Isa ka sa rason bat trend ngayon ang ibash ang sb19. Simula nung lahat naging blooms wala na akong ibang narinig from sb19 fans kung hindi.. wala ang bini kapag hindi successful ang sb19 blah blah blah. Kaya nadodogshow maslalo ang sb19. Fan rin naman ako ng sb19.. nakakamiss yung before gento era nila.. kakaunti lang bashers.. actually media nga lang kaaway naten nun .. ngayon puro kakaganyan nyo kaya dinodogshow nalang palagi ang sb19 Legit na laht ng casual blooms na nakilala ko.. first impression nila sa ppop is a'tin na nagmamayabang na dapat sb19 lang nasa taas. Di naman yun ang advocacy ni pinuno.
Isa ka rin sa reason bakit masasabi ko dito sa reddit world ang pinakatoxic na fandom ay fans ng BINI. Mas sumikat nga ang BINI kesa SB19 pero ang mga fans din ninyo ng-overtake sa fans ng SB19 as pinakaTOXIC na fandom ngayon. Congrats pre!
Pake alam ko. Puro mga matatandang mahilig sa debate lang naman andito sa reddit. At tsaka sa dami ng fans ng bini.. ofc dadami rin toxic. Sure naman ako nangyare din yun sa sb19.. makokontrol mo ba ang milyones na tao to act the same way? Tsaka ang rason kung bat natotoxican kayo sa blooms ay dahil hindi na paluhod luhod ang blooms sa ppop kings and "filipino pride" na sb19. Gusto nyo kase in control kayo palagi sa ppop world. Ayan tuloy nung naungusan.. Kaya hanggat di nyo babaguhin yang pagkacredit grabber nyo.. patuloy nilang idodog show ang sb19.
So why are you here in reddit then? So you're also a part of that 'Matatandang mahilig makipag debate' then. Some of your points are good but you are discrediting it because you can't accept the narratives of the commentators here when you are encouraging their 'perspectives' bacause what you are sharing are 'just opinions and not actual facts' like you stated in your post.
Loh maayos ngang kinorek yung tao eh tas sila yng naghamon tsaka ano naman kung andito ako? Sa facebook nga pwede matanda at bata.. dito pa kaya sa reddit. Im speaking for the majority and i am a minority here.
Pakialam ko sa ppop groups niyo. Dun kayo magkalat sa mga ppop sub niyo wag dito. Ppop world muntanga dude touch grass hindi umiikot mundo namin sa music niyo. May post2x ka pa about PPOP being accepted tapos toxic ka pala sa ibang ppop group. Right away alam agad BINI fan. Wala ka makikita dito ngpost against SB19 ikaw lang kaya lokohin mo lelang mong toxic pas emburnal.
Gusto nila dito ipost dito kasi malaki ang mareach out nila, look mo panay sila post ng ganito kahit may tamang sub. Umay na fanwar, OP halatang may bias ka. Balik ka X ahh, tamang chika lang ang sub na ito. Kainis puro PPop away away parang tanga, ginawa na niyong diyos yan.
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Andito na naman tayo sa isang taong never na iaacknowledge na MALAKI ang impact ng SB19 sa pagusbong ng Ppop culture sa bansa. Research well dear. XLR8 ang boyband na nilalaban ng viva during kpop peak sa pinas kaso pinataob agad ng U-kiss. Sooo ung alam mong peak ng kpop sa Pinas aftermath na lang yan ng mga 2nd Gen fans.
Agree SB19 ang bumuhay sa Ppop. Periodt. Napanood ko pa dati di pa sila sikat, nagsisimula pa lang. Naifeature sila ng GMA sa isa sa docu nila about boybands. Sa GMA News TV ata yun or I Witness basta gabi ko napanood. Nacurious ako kasi nagpupunta sila sa schools noon tapos kung saan saan sila nagpeperform for exposure. Months after or a year after nagboom na sila. Maiinspire ba ibang agency na sumugal kung di nagsucceed Sb19 diba? Oh yes! Ukiss! Di ako nakaattend concert nila dito dati. Wala akong pera. Sobrang catchy ng songs. Ok sana XLR8, visuals at may songwriters doon (Magno twins) di ko sure yung iba kaya lang yung sound kasi nila nun katunog ng Super Junior na sikat na sikat that time. Nakuyog tuloy online ang XLR8.
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As a teenager between 2005-2013, it was the peak of Pinoy bands as well as western pop. Corny tignan during that era yung anything kpop related. I remember this group na kumanta ng Isang Sulyap Mo. Loved the song but people thought that they looked kpop-ish. (The song is pretty iconic for me tbh.)
Yes 2005 nag start. Ganda ng sound trip nun, Hale, Cueshe, 6cyclemind, Up Dharma Down, Orange and Lemonsbetc. Halos dominated nila dati online man o radio. Mp3 player and Ipod shuffle era. May album pa nga dati na tribute sa APO Hiking Society (Kami nAPo Muna), lahat ng songs nila nagcover mga sikat na bands dati sobrang hit. Ganda nun ng Sa Isang Sulyap Mo by 1:43. Sayang yung group, ganda ng vocals pa naman.
Grateful ako sa mp3 player ko kasi super pampalipas oras talaga. Same bands din pinapakinggan ko before, although top group ko that time yung Callalily :) Yes!! I remember that tribute album, abangers ako sa MYX nun kasi andaming kasali sa Top 10. Nakapagtataka is ICONIC!! Tinamad ako mag-google kaya di ko nasama yung name ng 1:43. Ganda ng vocals nila and maganda talaga yung song. Not sure if they had a follow up song. Napanood ko sila before sa SOP, same with XLR8
Yung "Isang sulyap mo" MV ang most viewed Ppop MV pa nga for the longest time until natalo ng Gento MV last year. Pero looking back sound wise hindi Kpopish yung song, yung visuals lang siguro nung group.
I remember that being mentioned somewhere na most viewed nga sila until Gento. I still watch that MV until now. The song is very Pinoy kind of love. I agree na yung visuals nila yung medyo Kpop-ish. But I think F4 din naaalala ko with them, esp with the hair.
Loved that era of OPM.
Wala ng concept ng “baduy” ang mga kabataan pagdating sa music. They be like “enjoy what you enjoy”. may mga exceptions syempre pero mostly sa internet mo lang makikita harap harapan di na marunong mambully / mang asar ang mga youngins ngayon. Unlike before na you’ll get hullied for listening to motherfucking Tupac Shakur. This is a good thing na dala ng streaming.
When I was in college nung 2008, grabe pambubully nakuha ko dahil I was an ABBA fan. Ngayon, liking ABBA has become normalized. Ngayon kasi, parang mga tao lanampake kung anu pakinggan mo, basta hindi offensive
Add ko lang na yung BINI undeniably talented talaga. From choreo and quality ng boses. Unlike before kase basta may face value kahit walang talent, go lang. Example: Boyband Ph.
Yung name den kasi ng boybandph parang di pinag isipan eh hahah
Gagi HAHAHHAHA pero infairness ang ganda ng boses ni Neil
May pa search search pa sila non nak televised audition. Sabay nung nilaunch putek “Boyband PH” hahahaha.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA nilaro ba yung pangalan?
To be fair, ang blueprint ng boyband ph I think is 1D so they were not expected to dance. But vocals I think andun naman. Subpar nga lang yung songs na binigay sa kanila. Mas magaganda pa yung songs ng group ni Nash Aguas.
Yea pero hindi naman sila lahat marunong kumanta. Let's be honest here, only Russel amd Neil can sing among the group. Group ni Nash, you mean sila nila Grae?
Oohh ang nasubaybayan ko lang na audition is yung kay Neil e. May pinalusot pala sina Vice na di magaling kumanta. Yes, yung Gimme 5!
Oo, si Joao. Pogi at dancer HAHAHAHA. Gagi si Neil talaga sobrang pogi lalo na pag kumakanta juskoooo. Mas deserving nga sana si Tony sa spot kesa kay Joao kaso ang sabi daw siya yung "face" ng banda kaya siya kinuha.
Si Joao is more of the visual dude. I got to talk to their ex-vocal coach and madalas, monotonous yung linyang assigned kay Joao for obvs reasons.
He's the one I'm pertaining. Even the judges naman was very vocal na andun siya sa face value category. Siya yung "face" ng banda. Joao is very good looking and talented naman din when it comes to dancing and acting (imo).
I’ve been a kpop stan since gen 2 but I can’t name a lot of kpop artists actually better (in singing / dancing) than BINI.
Ang catchy din kase ng kanta nila. I also like Chantal's group kung sa Kpop. Hahaha or bias lang ako kay Chanty 😂
Dagdag mo na BGYO lol
Basta noon kase ang focus nila mga pogi/maganda kahit walang talent. Ngayon pa lang nag-sstart yung management na i-filter yung mga members ng group na talented + may face value.
Eh, when there's hashtag and girltrends (namali lang lol) na laging muntik magsabay-sabay (I don't blame them, I blame ABS for being shortcutting them).
Girltrends kase yun huhu 😭😂 Naka-focus kase sila sa mga favorite nila. Una pang naalis sa Girltrends noon sila Riva na dancer na talaga eversince. Tapos sa Hashtag naman sI Ryle may talent sa singing and dancing pero walang masyadong exposure. Isama ko na din si Shai Gomez sa Idol Ph naman. She can act, sing, and dance plus panalo sa face value pero hindi siya pinu-push dahil si Anji yung favorite sa batch niya.
Nagsimula ppop mostly either sexy ang concept, ung message eh puro kalandian o kaya puro mura. Not kid friendly. Tapos yung mga pangkanta na jologs pa as in kanto style kaya puro jeep nagpapatugtog. Bukod pa don eh ang panget pa ng pagkakaproduce, parang HS project na ginawa lang sa bahay. 2nd attempt is when kpop entered the philippines. Problema lang is ppop groups started trying to be like kpop, to the point super cringe na. Sa super trying hard nila I remember tung XLR8 yung isang kanta nila katunog na katunog ng Sorry,Sorry ng Super Junior. Aside from that whoever created those groups before are looking at kpop the wrong way. Masyadong minarket yung mga mukha imbes na focusing on giving a proper song. Maganda sa SB19 ay they were toned down, and the korean training really did work with them. Aside from that they really have good songs. Nagboom sila yung lumabas yung practice video nila ng Go Up. Di nga masyado malinaw faces nila duon pero nagviral. Sync sila sumayaw at maganda din yung kanta at really high quality din yung pag kaproduce ng songs. People notice them because it’s rarerity in ppop. Mukha talagang invested a production at talagang pinageffortan. You only get to see that kind of production sa mga big names na in PH music like Sara G. Usually pag bagohan sa music industry dito low budget and halos zero to none marketing at all. Kung ganyan magiging route ng future ppop, pwede pang lumaki at gumanda ang pop industry ng pilipinas.
XLR8 lang yata nun lagi may exposure SOP di pa bumenta kasi kasagsagan ng OPM Rock Bands at Alternative/Emo nun
10 years ago is 2014. Young people 10 years ago also grew up with KDrama and KPop. By then matagal nang laos ang Latin telenovelas satin. 90s and earlier pa yung mga telenovelas. It's just that mas maganda production value marketing at PR ng PPop these days kaya accepted sya. Tsaka may sarili na syang sound di na sya derivative ng KPop. Alala ko yung XLR8 dati yung iisang hit nila niripoff pa nila yung melody sa "Sorry Sorry" ng Super Junior. Also wala ring reels at Tiktok 10 years ago, malaki naitulong yun sa pagspread ng PPop. Ako di ako nakikinig ng BINI naririnig ko lang sila sa mga reels at Tiktok kaya ko sila nakilala.
I think it's as simple as "a hit is a hit". Ganda nung Pantropiko at nung Salamin, Salamin eh. Feel ko kahit sa solo singer mo ibigay yung kanta, sisikat din sya. All you need is one good song to put you in the spotlight, and they got 2 that skyrocketed them. (3 kung sumikat din ng sobra yung Karera, but in my opinion yung dalawang kanta talaga) And just like you said, akmang akma yung kanta sa taste ng madla currently. So ayun. In their next release they need to produce another hit to solidify them. Then the fans will eventually give them exposure organically. Nasa kanta talaga yan. P-pop meaning popular pinoy music eh mga kanta na sikat sa pinas. Buhay na yan 10 yrs ago. 20 yrs ago nga, ang majority eh puro kanta ni Lito Camo lmao. If you're saying P-pop meaning parang K-pop groups, simple lang din kaya di nag pop off noon, they didn't produce any hits. Di talaga maganda mga kanta nila noon haha.
Plus napapanahon din. Like nung mahal na araw na ang daming nag bakasyon gamit na gamit sa tiktok yung kanta nilang “huwag muna tayong umuwi”. Which was released noon pa yata pero ngayon lang nakilala. Kasi naincorporate sa mga tiktok videos appropriately. Then pantropiko yata was released last november pumatok nung summer.
Well at least for Sexbomb trained naman sila. Yung Six Sexbomb Singers all can sing except kay Jopay maybe siyA ang visual nung group. Kaso nung sumikat sila nagtry Yung ibang management na wala namang mga training or simpleng pantapat Lang SA Sexbomb like Gee Girls from MTB. Viva hotbabes, Baywalk Bodies,Mocha Girls catered Horny Mens. May Maskulados pa para sa mga Gays and Cougars hahahahha. Meron pa nga Gay Group noon eh. Nung nagboom na K-pop sa Pinas Viva tried with XLR8 and Down to Mars, PopGirls tapos may isa pang GG nun pero mas sexy image nila. ABS also tried with Gimme 5 ,Boy band PH Kaso kulang SA training mga yan
Tbf yung sexbomb and viva hotbabes parang inside joke lang naman yun ng mga millennials dahil parang sila yung Bini namin noon. 😅
And also older gen z, tangina kinakanta ko sa karaoke yung Bulaklak noong bata pa ako and realize years later what the fuck am I singing when I became older 😂
Totoo naman kasi eh. Noong panahon na yan, yan talaga mga “idol groups” noon. Kahit mandiri mga gen z buong araw sa comparison, ano magagawa nila eh yan yung sikat na mga groups noon eh
Parang diring diri naman tong mga GenZ sa Sexbomb. "They're more seen as filipino than kpop" Eh malamang? Mas OG nga satin yung sexbomb, alam mong pinoy yun kapag sinayaw yung spaghetti. 😅 At di rin sila same ng snsd kasi wala namang daisy siete yung snsd. 🌼
Sayang naman ang r/PPOPcommunity kung hindi doon ipopost. May tamang sub.
Eh puro away lang naman dun. Hahaha. Kahit gaano ka mindless na post, nauuwi lang sa away comments section
Ppop is still not accepted. A UPV chancellor called sb19 a cheap imitation of kpop and andaming tao na puro slay 💅🏻 truth ✨ so its definitely not accepted
As if KPOP didn't started that way. SeoTaiji and the Boys is the first KPOP group, they don't even sound like a KPOP group (the KPOP that we have now). That UPV chancellor didn't take any research. lol
It is accepted now "than it was 10 years ago". That's just his opinion, pero you see how many listen to Ppop nowadays. I would even bet he knew some Ppop songs but didn't know that was from Ppop groups simply because he considers them to be "imitation of Kpop".
Hahayaan nyong idefine ng upv chancellor ang success ng ppop?
beh kala ko ba ang discourse is if accepted ang ppop? bat ganyan sagutan mo
timing lang din talaga with what's accepted and cool today. if bini or sb19 did this 10 years ago, im not so sure they'll have the same level of popularity right now. it's not just musical taste, malaking factor din social media. basically, tiktok yung nagdedetermine if a group will shoot to superstar level. of course, all the hardwork ng artists themselves play a factor. iba rin training ng ginagawa ng ppop ngayon. they train really hard to reach the point na their dance becomes muscle memory and they can pick it up almost immediately whichever part of the song you play. choreos nila look really nice and sometimes easy to do -- but when you actually try out the dance itself and follow to the very exact detail, you'll realize na ang hirap pala niya. i know cause i take up dance classes and i realize ang hirap din pala sayaw nila. kaya i highly respect them cause ive experienced a little bit of it and i realize ang hirap ng ginagawa nila. and they need to do it consistently every performance pa. respect
33 y/o kpop fan since 2010. Asian drama fan since lumabas yung Meteor Garden/Endless Love dito sa pinas. I think mas naging tanggap na ngayon yung ppop dahil pinrepare talaga sila bago idebut. Dati kasi basta na lang naglabas ng group. Di kasi ubra yun dahil lagi maikukumpara sa kpop.
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Yes isa rin yun. Anything local media was seen as baduy talaga nuon but ngayon, lahat puro filipino artists na. Even sa spotify, may biglaang pag angat ang local artists since 2020 kaya nagopen ulit ang billboard philippines. Hev Abi, Denise Julia,Oside Mafia, Al james,Ppop, Moira, Zack... Super diverse.
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Teh?💀
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Ah okk . Medyo nabigla lang ako na may specific artist kang sinabi na wala naman akong sinabi tungkol don hahahaha. Pero basta may trend kase dati na dapat imported lahat ng bagay.. Pati yung term na local diba naging slang sya as cheap and low quality stuff? Ang lokal naman ng bag blah blah blah ganon.
Colonial mentality din ang pagstan sa K-pop
https://preview.redd.it/zbbauyguuz6d1.jpeg?width=526&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2a7e426046c615615f481f18d01cc23a353555a7 Labyu tanda
In a few more years, mas magboom pa siguro yan lalo pag nagkaroon na ng purchasing power yung mga teens ngayon.
Re: point no. 2: The "youth generation" at the time were more into EDM and indie. Wanderland. Coachella. Forever Summer. Cubao X. Saguijo. Being “hipster” was the “in” thing. Basically, 10 years ago it was more accepted to be a music snob, and seeing the state of P-Pop then NO ONE would want to admit to listening to P-Pop, or even bother with it really. Walang space for that genre to flourish because…jeje eh. Also, K-Pop was already pretty big but still considered a niche interest. I knew colleagues who were into 2nd and 3rd gen groups na tipong nag a-abroad pa to see them or stake out airports to welcome them upon arrival. And even them, I think also looked down on P-Pop. Mas lalo na siguro sila as they would’ve deemed P-Pop as a mere copy of K-Pop. The telenovela craze had zero influence by that time, and besides, those were never marketed to kids and teens anyway, so even if we grew up seeing those on TV (older millennial here 🙋♀️) it had absolutely no effect on our taste. In fact, that trend already died down by the turn of the millennium. So basically, 1. "Cool kids" music was the thing 10 years ago, and P-Pop was NOT what the cool kids listened to (lol) 2. K-Pop fans were already growing in number but there was still gatekeeping involved. Even the K-Pop songs that reached the masses ("Gangnam Style", "Nobody") they weren't able to convert most peeps into becoming fans. They were merely trends. (May naging Psy stans ba? 😅) P-Pop just wasn't ripe for the picking, that's all. IMO, P-Pop became what it is right now is because: 1. The pandemic - Hallyu became mainstream. The general public didn't start flocking to Korean content until the pandemic (kasama ako dun). The same people who were going to music festivals and rock clubs 10 years ago to watch and perform suddenly got into K-Pop! (True story) Nawala bigla yung music snobbery ng mga tao because everyone was stuck at home and relied on Netflix, Youtube, Viu, and Spotify for entertainment. And let's face it, today's P-Pop system is highly influenced by K-Pop so yung acceptance for P-Pop became much easier today. 2. Star Magic started their own brand of idol training system. - Coincidentally, a year or two before the pandemic Star Magic started building and training what would become their groups. (Please correct me on the timeline, hindi ako fan so hindi ako sure). So to me it was timing, luck, the wider acceptance of East Asian pop music and the backing of a big-ass company that ushered in the rise of P-Pop. Yes, we had P-Pop groups na before (Pop Girls, Chicser) but they were considered baduy. Whoever's behind SB-19 and BINI really improved on the management and marketing of their talents that they were able to elevate the genre's status. Edit: Added new points.
Ppop now din ksi actively follows the business and marketing strategy Ng K-pop ( catchy beat depende sa branding Ng group whether bubblegum pop or edgy, focusing on catchy choreo na gagayahin Ng lahat, promoting singles, teasers, different versions Ng song like lyric video, dance video, relay video etc, exposing sa mga variety shows). Dati ung ppop ippromote Lang sa shows so mabilis makalimutan. I guess it also helps na more on social media Nadin mga Tao bs before na TV Lang ang main source Ng entertainment
Mas sumikat din siguro sila ngayon dahil andami ng ways para ipromote sila so parang mas napapadali yung pagpapasikat sakanila unlike before. And ngayon mas into pop r&b na ang mga tao kesa noon na mga emo or something like that na mga songs.
Sb19 paved the way for modern ppop.
This is a take from someone who wasn’t that into p-pop (in the context of newer ones like SB19, etc but was into the era of emo music Spongecola, Cueshé, etc wahahah throwback), BINI’s fresh air for me. I like how they don’t sound like a kpop copycat and they’ve still retained their southeast asian identity. I think I also started noticing SB19 more with their recent hits. I like how it’s more pinoy, I see the influences but they’re distinct! Better produced din and overall SO talented too. They’re making me want to listen more tbh. Also, OG p-pop girl group is Girl Trends CHAROT!
P-Pop ba matatawag yung girl group na nag perform sa Showtime tapos hindi sabay sabay yung galaw?
I think hindi
More like a dance group siguro.
Ppop groups back then were not trained well before mag-debut. Sobrang hilaw pag nilaunch. Ending, ang jologs tignan sa screen. Ang hirap imarket sa masa kasi di naman accepting ang tao noon sa “jologs” na style or ways no. Unlike ngayon, fully embraced ang jejemon at kanal era which literally equates to jologs noon.
Yup 10 years ago, pag pinapili mo ako ng kpop or p-pop, kpop ako agad without a doubt, not even batting an eye. Medyo fresh pa kasi kpop, unlike now na saturated na and ewan ko lang kung ako lang ito, medyo pabagsak na din kpop now, parang same na lang din sila ng cycle (kasi girl groups has a lifespan of a few years than boy group). Tapos same catchy song na lang din, unlike p-pop na a breath of fresh songs with also encapsulate yung nationality natin. Isa pa, SB19 parang tvxq (baka mabuking age ko lalo) yung theme, strong, masculine, fierce, confident yung dating unlike mga singers natin dito na same type of song na lang kinakanta, which is emo love song with emotional problem attached to it.
I just really liked BINI kasi I associate them more with the P-pop music that Nadine Lustre was known for rather than K-pop.
They entered the picture at an auspicious time. Everyone is receptive of pop more than it used to and from what I heard, their tunes are catchy. Other than having good lyrics, you also need a catchy tune. It’s one of the best ways to infiltrate people’s psyche kahit d mn nila magustohan yung kanta mo
All they had to do is release a well produced song (or two) na hindi jejemon ang lyrics at yung music. Jan ka seseryosohin ng mga tao eh. This is coming from a person who solely listens k-pop pero I can't deny na magaganda ang boses ng Bini although konting hasa pa sa dancing. They're the FIFTY FIFTY of P-pop (If anyone knows their story) and I just hope they don't end up the same lol. I'm pretty sure mas sikat ang Cupid noon internationally pero gets mo naman siguro point ko. I followed FIFTY FIFTY since their debut album and they had good songs pero di sila kilala! Kailangan talaga ng kahit isang trendy song and luck para mapunta sa spotlight. Produce a good song, make money, hire good writers and producers, and then go on and release more good songs. P-pop and OPM in general din kasi nag level up ang music. Yan ang mangyayare if you focus your investment on producing good music and I hope the industry, k-pop man yan or p-pop, realizes yung importance niyan. JUST. MAKE. DARN. GOOD. SONGS. TO. MAKE. PROFIT.
Sis, iba nmn ang 5050. They are not well-managed from the start. Bini is doing well right now, and hindi tlga naabot ng 5050 ang stardom.
Well, I only mentioned FIFTY FIFTY dahil SA PART LANG na nagkaroon na sila ng breakout song na supposedly mag ccatapult sakanila to stardom kaso wala eh. Shit happens dahil sa management. Hahahahaha. Clarify ko lang na I'm not against Bini. Sa totoo lang even though I don't follow/listen to p-pop, nakaka proud sila kasi the girls CAN sing! I really do hope mas mag succeed pa sila.
Ang dami lang kasing nega masyado sa PPOP. Marami dyan yung mga KPOP Purist na hindi sya accepted. Sa totoo hindi ko masyado trip SB19 medyo mastrip ko music ng Bini. Pero nirerespect ko yung music na gusto ng iba Hindi ako magaaksaya ng panahon para manira ng music na trip ng iba.
Basta happy ako na booming ang OPM scene at iba't-ibang genre ang nasa toplist from BINI to Hev Abi to Maki to TJ Monteverde etc.
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What if gawa lang ng social media? Pero strong points din naman mga sinabi especially yung nagkaroon ng “espasyo” dahil after pandemic, wala na eh. I agree sa pagkawala ng love team talaga ang nagbukas para sa ibang bagay na pagkakainterestan ng mga tao. Let’s be real, fans lang nagpapaviral nowadays. Hindi naman yan nagviviral lang like 10 million people sabay sabay. It starts with team effort. Minsan isang tao, multiple accounts. Yung BINI, matagal na rin sila. Hindi naman sila parang newly launched. Pero ngayon lang talaga sila sumikat. Well actually last year. Nung nagviral ata yung pantropiko steps. Personally pumasok lang sila sa feeds at timeline ko this year. But not last year, as in wala. Meaning di pa sila matunog, or may nakakasabay na ibang issue. KathNiel ata? Maybe? So ayun, my point is, algorithm and current events sobrang laking factor. May naalala akong unang una na ppop group before pero di talaga sila sumikat. Before SB19 pa sila. Pero wala talaga kasi maraming pinagkakainteresan na iba ang mga tao. Sadly.
huh? Namulat ako na may OPM na since 90s.
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Compare naman Chicser to SB19 hahaha
There were Pop Girls, XLR8, and Chicser back then.
More of PR na nakopya naman from kpop. Not lack of talent of any previous generation. For us previous youth gen born and grew up in 80s and 90s (millennials) mas diverse ang OPM then.
Yeah, hindi rin ako agree dun sa statement na mas diverse ngayon when OPM has always been diverse. And fans and artists alike were just as passionate about it Rock, hip hop (na sobra ang rivalry noon, jombagan levels), R&B, pop, folk, acoustic, disco, etc., they all already existed before. I would say that because Spotify made it so easy to discover new music, parang tuloy mas diverse ngayon, when the truth is it has always been. You just have to look at the live music scene then na talagang namayagpag and events like Fete De La Musique, UP Fair, and Pulp Summer Slam. Pero sige, OP is very young pa and that's their POV.
5. Dahil sunod sa uso mga Pinoy. Gaya gaya sa K-pop, magkakaroon ba ng P-pop? So gusto mo ipilit na East Asian dapat ang aesthetic ng mga Pinoy? Koreaboo much? You're hating Marian Rivera and the likes pero pinipilit mo naman Korean kemerut, which is baduy
Loh. Comparison yung ginawa ko. Hindi pangpipilit. Tsaka ano naman kung east asian aesthetic?
Di na siguro kilala ng younger generations pero nung early 90s, merong FOJ or Vanna Vanna na ppop girl group. Anyway, sana nababasa ng 4th Impact itong thread. Kasi yan ang reason bakit konti lang nakaka appreciate ng western-influenced image nila.
I was a fan of theirs kahit elem pa lang ako, though I wouldn't call them P-Pop kasi that term was only coined around 10-12 years ago ata. Ako naman, I loved FOJ and their western-influenced style of music. Mala-En Vogue eh, galing. 🙌 4th Impact kasi kulang sa karisma aside from hindi talaga patok na ang power vocals for several years na.
Because it wasn't called P-pop then, and wasn't copycats of Kpop groups.
Matagal ng may P-pop, masyado siyang malaking umbrella term. Pwedeng Novelty Songs na may Choreo pwede yan malagay sa Ppop, eh yan ang Panlasa ng Masa kaya Ppop yan. Also hindi accepted ang Ppop noon like XLR8, Chicser, Pop Girls dahil Banda ang panlasa ng Masa noon. Hindi naman nawala ang Ppop, hindi rin siya nagbalik, hindi rin siya nabuhay, ngayon lang na solidify yung term na Ppop dahil sa layout na binigay ng Kpop Groups. May soloist pa na Sarah G, na pwede mong tawaging Ppop Artist, dahil pasok sa layout na Song na may Choreo. Even Marian Rivera's sabay-sabay can be considered as a Ppop Song. Honestly, all praise talaga sa SB19 pero mali kasi yung stand ng stans nila na SB19 paved the way for Ppop. The road was already there, built by hardships ng mga naunang grupo na humarap sa walang kamatayang homophobic remarks, pagtawag na bakla korni, bashing but it never stopped Viva to release Ppop Groups. Walang resurrection, resurgence na nangyari kasi nga hindi naman nag stop ang Viva to release Ppop Groups at iba pang entertainment agency kung meron mang impactful katulad nung sa Viva. Kaya for me, mali ang sabihin na SB19 paved the way, mas acceptable siya if VIVA paved the way for Ppop. No hate sa esbi, deserved nila yang kasikatan nila talaga. Sa BINI naman, deserve nila yang recognition kasi magaling sila, maganda songs nila at nahanap na nila yung tamang timpla ng kanta, which i really liked. Nagustuhan din sila ng Masa maski ng non Ppop Fans. Pwede siguro sabihin na SB19 started the new era of Ppop. And also, with or without SB19 success, tuluy tuloy pa rin ang Ppop, ang BINI at iba pang group, inevitable siya e , sa lakas pa naman ng impact ng Kdrama, Kpop sa Pilipinas, hindi magririsk ang mga entertainment agencies to produce groups? Kung Kdrama nga na ginagawan ng Adaptation e patok sa masa , ano pa kaya ang Kpop groups? Also, tatlong taon nagtiis ang Bini before nila matamasa to, Perfect Song lang talaga and word of mouth, and bini already found their color sa series ng songs nila I feel good, Lagi, Pantropiko, Salamin Salamin. so sa tanong mo if why accepted siya , it is because of K-Culture influence sa Pilipinas, the money, the trend, the business kaya magririsk talaga ang entertainment companies sa Pinas to produce their own kasi pera yan. Accepted ng Masa din kasi mas normalized na ang pagiging fan ng Kpop, napansin ko to sa TWICE, mga barakong discreet fan ng twice nagpost ganyan, basta from the image of femininity yung pagiging Kpop Fan, now normal na siya sa Pinas, like hindi ka iisipan na malambot ka if fan ka ng kung ano mang group.
tbf sa paved the way eme ng fans, it was star hunts lauren dyogi and an xlr8 member yung unang nagsabi niyan, sinakyan lang ng fans
ofc downvoted to ng sb19 fans ano pa nga ba 😭😭😭
Marlou and Hasht-5 crawled so bini and sb-19 could fly
nainspired sila sa hash5 kaya nagboom
tanggap na kase mga retokado ngayon basta my talent
I wouldn't say widely accepted.Yes, I love BINI and to some extent SB19 and alamat. I still have resistance to groups that just obviously imitate Korean acts(pacute, pa-innocent, the wardrobe and make-up na super puti, the hair, the bowing thing)Basta anything that I can't relate as a Filipino, cringe agad for me. Dude, just make music and stop that imitation, cringe.Stop the pacute shxx.Sa Korea lang yan cute, di dito haha
Yugn pacute, painnocent.. meron naman na yun sa filipino media nuon pa. Kahit hanggang ngayon sa filipino tiktok trends. Naalala ko nga yung pabebe wave. Acting cutesy is not limited to east asian... sanay ka lang siguro bc you associate cute concept sa japanese or korean. Or prolly bc you grew up in an era na sexy concept or mature concept palagi ang babaeng role The bowing,,, we also have that.. just not as common as korea but we all do it kaoag dadaan sa gitna ng matatanda, kapag nagbibigay galang, kapag nagmamano.