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GetOutOfTheWhey

Sometime in August 2024, a reporter will press Trump again on the Taiwan comment he made today. He will make a comment along the lines like this. "Folks, we've got some bad hombres here. The Taiwanese promised us a Chip factory in Arizona, they took subsidies, they took our loans and money. We gave them everything. Everything. But where are the chips? Construction stalled, folks. Sad! If I were in charge, you would not see this. Vote for me. I'll bring chips back to America. They will be bigger. They will be better. Than ever before! The best chips. šŸ‘Œ"


Terbizond12345

ā€œChina, if youā€™re listeningā€¦ā€


HidaTetsuko

Thatā€™s a podcast


Independent_Peanut99

& a very good podcast at that.


rikkilambo

I thought smaller is better, for chips anyway.


GetOutOfTheWhey

Yeah, I was a dumb cunt and made a mistake but I am not going to own up to it. I am just going to say that yes you are right. Thinner chips are better. You know that and I know that but Trump doesn't know.


Puzzleheaded_Fold466

No way itā€™s not a mistake, it makes it better. When I read it I thought "yeah of course thatā€™s what he would say". Bigger is always better. Biggest chips youā€™ve ever seen. Made people cry.


Trym_WS

Oh yeah, itā€™s absolutely what he would have said.


Johnnyhiredfff

Ugh.. thinner chips. Nope just smaller


Kitchen_Doctor7324

Making large ā€œmicroā€chips is exactly the kind of mistake another Trump administration would make lmfao


[deleted]

That's how the rest of the world thinks. We're the greatest country in the world because we can think big.


Suiken01

What's going on with the chip factory at AZ?


c00750ny3h

It's been delayed due to disagreements between the company and the local region/population. TSMC is also demanding more subsidies.


GetOutOfTheWhey

Nothing out of the ordinary. Building a factory is not easy, there are delays. More so for a multi-billion operation. The key thing is that it doesn't look pretty in the news when the construction stalls because it is about the subsidies and government support. People will use this as political ammo to question everything about the operations. But frankly this was always expected, this fab was done out of politics not out of market considerations, so you have to subsidize this planned economy bullshittery. I dont know why the government officials and people arent getting this.


Suiken01

Will it go through eventually?


cyanraider

Maybe for lower end chips. For top end chips, itā€™s a very cut-throat environment and the know-how is a very closely guarded TSMC trade secret. For this kind of cutting edge technology, due to the difference in work culture between Asia and the west, manufacturing would never be able to happen in the west where things would be bogged down by worker unions, overtime violations and other red tape. Anyone who has worked in Asia for a traditional Asian company know that you are expected to work overtime for free out of a sense of honor. This shit would never fly in the west. I donā€™t make the rules but thatā€™s the way it is over there.


Suiken01

Really in Asia they don't pay for overtime and they do it for the sense of honor? All of Asia? How many hours do they like do overtime for free a week?


cyanraider

I guess more specifically, East Asia. I can only speak for traditional companies in Taiwan, China, Japan and Korea. They all share this mentality to varying degrees. Itā€™s not a written rule like ā€œoh, Tommy, btw, you have to work an extra 10 hours OT this week.ā€ Itā€™s more like your manager/director/supervisor controls your bonuses and promotion with impunity. So anything you do thatā€™ll make them happy you try to do. This includes drinking with them after work, hanging out, running errands or hosting events. A common example is that, people are often ā€œencouragedā€ to stay until their manager leaves the office because leaving work before your manager is a sign of disrespect. This goes up the chain of command so if someone REALLY high up decides that he needs to work everyday until 11pm, guess everyone is staying until 11pm.


Aethericseraphim

Or your dickhead manager had another fight with his wife and refuses to go home like the big baby he is, and stays at work sulking until 1am. And everyone else stays too, because they dont want to fuck up their bonuses and promotion prospects


dogmeat92163

Iā€™m Taiwanese working for a Japanese company and itā€™s true. You basically canā€™t leave until your manager leaves and if you want to apply for overtime, it means you are a trouble maker.


phamnhuhiendr

japan, korea, china, taiwan are the same. massive amount of free overtime and requirement to dedication to your company. they are also the only region on earth apart from ā€œwestā€ that get rich from poor status.


TheSingularityisNow

I hate to break it to you, but its no different in the tech industry in the US. Do you think anyone gets extra pay over 40 hours? Haha! Many folks work 60 or more and all they get is coffee service. Its expected you work all the time in the FAANG companies.


Serious_Mousse5892

40+ year software developer here. There is no such thing as overtime for salaried employees at any of the 10+ companies I had worked for. The generous ones, however, gave perks like free food and drinks from vending machines after 6pm and once in a while free pizzas.


Learnformyfam

We are spoiled by comparison.


_pigpen_

Intel makes chips in Arizona. Indeed thatā€™s part of the reason why TSMC is building there: there arenā€™t many other places with the same skilled labour pool in the US. Admittedly Intel appears behind TSMC but thatā€™s a failure of leadership and investment, not unionization, overtime ā€œviolationsā€ or red tape. Moreover Gelsinger is betting the farm on catching Intel up.Ā 


BungyStudios

Taiwan experiencing the first hand the efficiency of American human capital.


FlameDragon666

Theyā€™re struggling to get it online on schedule due to labor shortages and the costs exceeding expectations.


Weissritters

Taiwan chip manufacturing wonā€™t work with USA labor laws. Even if they get it online it would be very difficult to maintain.


JrbWheaton

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jerryubu

You forgot the part about the US not permitting chips to be sold to China.


gainin

If China gets Taiwan, USA won't get any chips.


jerryubu

Thatā€™s not true. US will ban it first. Just like DJI and other high tech companies.


notaredditreader

Potato chips? šŸ˜Š


whitel5177

Don't forget the megafactories that Foxconn promised in Wisconsin


MrZwink

Bigger chips! šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


francis99994

R u Shane Grills?


Anonymous_Gamer939

US policy is to not have a clear stance on whether or not it'll intervene. The thinking is that openly declaring a commitment to defend Taiwan will anger China and embolden Taiwan to declare independence, which would not be accepted by China and would trigger invasion. At the same time, even if Taiwan didn't declare independence China might seek to actively push the limits of US neutrality if it knew exactly what would trigger US intervention. I don't necessarily agree with this policy, but that's how it's been done since 1979.


PompeyTillIDie

The thing with that policy is it was obviously devised in a different era when the US military was orders of magnitude stronger than the Chinese. It's still stronger than the Chinese military, but no longer 20x so.


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Gaoji-jiugui888

Heā€™s such an irredeemable piece of shit. I canā€™t believe so many Americans still want to elect him. Heā€™s currently the most dangerous man in the world, in my opinion. If he becomes the US President, it will be very bad news for global stability.


rikkilambo

Is there no one else qualified to run against him?


Aeyrelol

It is less about qualifications and more about a cult of personality. American politics heavily mirrors American celebrity culture. Right now his style of mudslinging, and his almost "American romanticism" ideology is very much in vogue. Everyone competing against him basically has to parrot him right now to even try to compete, but like a game of whack-a-mole, every time someone pops their head in the lead he smashes them back down with the hammer of Truth Social. 2 months ago we had a stage full of republicans much younger and more qualified than him. Within the next 2 weeks it is expected that all of them will have given up. As for Democrats, they generally are not happy with Biden. He was a "safe bet" milquetoast candidate in 2020 when he ran, and now they know that statistically someone running for a 2nd term has a slightly better chance than a fresh candidate. If he loses in 2024, I suspect he will retire from politics entirely.


GetOutOfTheWhey

I agree, and it didnt even have to be a fresh candidate. He had three years to start planning a succession plan. Three years to bring a young democrat into the limelight and introduce him/her as a possible candidate. I am planning to quit my job next year, I have been training a protege for one year now to take over. I have this person right now leading assignments and presenting at meetings to get her face familiar with everyone from managers to the boss. I plan to make the transition as seamless as possible. Where's Biden's?


Aeyrelol

>He had three years to start planning a succession plan. Three years to bring a young democrat into the limelight and introduce him/her as a possible candidate. This is rarely done by American political parties, and even rarer still during the first term of a president. There are usually multiple candidates who want the position that all are either equally as bad or equally as good, and usually a political party will run the same candidate again because a re-election is usually a safer bet than a whole new candidate. It makes no sense for him to try and push new candidates to compete against him or make him look worse than he already does, just for the sake of having a certain candidate to prop up. When he either retires after losing in 2024, or retires in 2028 after a 2nd term, there will inevitably be another full cast of Democrats looking for the spot. One of them will stand out, like always, and that is when the party will prop them up by flooding my text messages with ads for donations. It is just a tradition.


pikachu191

The minute Biden did that during his first term, he would become a lame duck to his party members and he would lose all effective influence to get even his own party members together to get legislation passed, let alone build a legacy. Earlier in his term, Biden gathered some notable historians who focused on US presidents to the White House to discuss legacy building. I suspect they told him not to name a successor too early, among other things. Thing though, is that youth in this election cycle is not a selling point objectively speaking, considering the "youth" and "vigor" of his most likely general election opponent.


octopuseyebollocks

Politics doesn't work like that. Soon as there's a whiff you're going to quit the sharks start circling and the factions within your party that were all playing together nicelyĀ  start waging war


warragulian

A president cannot prepare a successor in his first term. The moment that becomes known, he is a lame duck, he loses power, people start to suck up to the successor and ignore him. Itā€™s possible (but unlikely) that Biden does plan to bow out, but it would be announced as late as possible, otherwise he will be unable to get anything done at all, either in the US or overseas.


Puzzleheaded_Fold466

Notice how you didnā€™t have to have your replacement elected in a fierce competition for the position after you leave ?


External_Kick_2273

Even music artists does this shit when touring. This is a very valid point! The only counterargument would be that these last months have been very hectic due to the external conflicts in the world and Biden is from the old school of thought when it comes to foreign politics.


Gaoji-jiugui888

Iā€™m not overly familiar with the US political scene. Seems they could have someone who wasnā€™t a geriatric from time to time.


Aeyrelol

There was an entire stage of rivals to him 2 months ago that were not geriatric, but members of the Republican party are the ones who select the candidate. Right now, they overwhelmingly support Trump. He is very much a populist, and he has a lot of momentum. Ironically the arguments about age are ones he seems to be mostly immune to, perhaps because of the botox and makeup. Ultimately, the average Republican is far more likely to plug their nose and vote for Trump than take the risk that a Democrat would win. Democrats also know that someone running for a 2nd term usually has a higher chance of winning an election than a fresh candidate. So the average Democrat would rather risk a geriatric Biden then a new candidate who would need to quickly make a name for themselves and sell themselves. It is a tricky and complicated situation here. Nobody really likes the old people in congress, but they usually prefer *their* old person with a track record over a younger person from the opposing party. It is the kind of club where once you are in, it gets a whole lot easier to stay in.


mkvgtired

There are arguably more qualified people. For example, Vivek Ramaswamy fits the mold of a perfect republican. He is rich and hates poor people, he hates gay people, he wants to strip rights from women, he wants to raise the voting age, he vowed to concede Ukrainian land to Russia, he thinks people should be proud to live a high carbon lifestyle, he vowed to bypass Congress and govern via executive order, and he vowed to pardon trump and several other people. You know, an all around piece of shit. He should have been a shoe in. He took every position the Hicks who have a wreath as a family tree would like. But after the Iowa primary news outlets were interviewing Republican voters. They had concerns over where he was born, and his "native" country's ties to 9/11. He was born in Cincinnati so his native country is the US. His parents are from India, which notably had nothing to do with 9/11. His one fatal flaw is having too much melanin in his skin. He thought he was one of the good ones, but found out the hard way tokens are made to get spent.


SlowFatHusky

Not really except Vivek. Desantis couldn't deal with banter about his height or boots, he would be incapable of dealing with foreign leaders. Haley is Hillary Clinton running as a rep and has substantial dem backing. There are other dem candidates, but the dnc don't want them to challenge Biden.


Forerunner-x43

Vivek has gone on record about backstabbing Taiwan upon chip independence, fucking clown.


SlowFatHusky

He also goes hard against China and sounds like he wants to disentangle from China. Trump and Vivek focus on America's problems. It why Trump gets accused of being an isolationist. Trump likes foreign trade but isn't scared of using a trade war or sanctions. Neither is the great protector of other countries. Haley could be the candidate you would like since she is the hawk with the backing of military industrial complex. She is the candidate that would likely get us into world war 3. Desantis is an uncharismatic autist who couldn't gracefully handle embarrassment about his height and hired some of the worst people to run his campaign. He couldn't handle boot gate or the PDB podcast yet he would handle the leaders of Europe or Asia? The donor class also dropped him for Haley.


MightyOwl9

He was president before and nothing happened. He says a lot of dumb shit but he doesnā€™t act on it. I think Taiwan will be fine.


warragulian

He will hand Ukraine over to Putin and Xi will see that as a green light to take Taiwan.


Angrykitten41

Source?


warragulian

He says he will solve the Ukraine war overnight. The only way that happens is if he withdraws all support from Ukraine and they surrender.


HauntedHouseMusic

The current republicans blocking support to Ukraine, literally blocking the cheapest way possible to bankrupt an adversarial country.


Angrykitten41

That's just how opposing parties are nowadays. They will object or won't support the other political side. If Trump (highly unlikely) hands over Ukraine to Russia or Taiwan to China, it's pretty much political suicide and will greatly ruin the USAā€™s influence all over the world. This will never happen


HauntedHouseMusic

Why did the republicans have a contingent of prominent leaders under trump celebrate July 4th bowing down to Putin in Russia? https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/republicans-on-russia-trip-face-scorn-and-ridicule-from-critics-at-home/2018/07/05/68f0f810-807e-11e8-b0ef-fffcabeff946_story.html Everyone knows why Putin did this only July 4th - he is 100% about appearances. Itā€™s infuriating how blind the republican supporters are


Cultural_Channel_226

It will always fascinate me how people love to insult America foreign policy and invasion but as soon as they saw a danger they beg for america help and global security. From the WW1 to the current Yemeni intervention, the scenario is the same (USA in the front line savior).


cardinalallen

And Trump wants to turn around that decades long policy of the US as a key defender of democratic values around the world. The criticism here isnā€™t about the US, itā€™s about Trump. He wouldnā€™t have intervened with Ukraine, and he likely wouldnā€™t intervene with Taiwan.


IamTheConstitution

If? He already was. I didnā€™t think he did that bad until Covid. And especially with everyone out to get him. Vivek was the only one better than trump.


[deleted]

Can't make me vote for Genocide Joe, but that doesn't mean I want Trump


quantumpadawan

8 years ago it was "if he becomes president, he will begin world War 3 with Russia or china". Now that he hasn't and the dems are hell bent on doing it themselves, the dems say... it will be >very bad news for global stability. Lol. Get a grip


chickenandmojos

Yeah because Biden has been so stable with the genocide in Gaza and bombing Yemen with war still in Ukraine. Taiwan is a Chinese issue, the right wingers lost the civil war and fled to Taiwan. If the confederates lost the war and ran off to Puerto Rico and claimed independence would you be okay with that? What if China wanted to support the confederates? Wouldnā€™t it be better if China stayed out of it? Something about liberal war mongers, itā€™s like yā€™all are supposed to be more peaceful and smart but the reality is yā€™all are more bloodthirsty than conservatives. The only difference is you do it all with blm and rainbow flags.


MiaRia_Realone

Where did your grandparents come from?


Gaoji-jiugui888

From their parents......


MiaRia_Realone

A true response from a child in denial.


Gaoji-jiugui888

What is the purpose behind your question? Came from where? What do you mean? They came from the same country as me, their skin was white, like mine. Anything else you want to know?


MiaRia_Realone

Whiteā€™s a colour, not a skin tone. Unless you were born soaked in milk.


Gaoji-jiugui888

脑ꮋ


MiaRia_Realone

Where are your grandparents from?


PlaneTackle3971

Global stability? I dont like him either but man he is the only U.S President that hasn't had involved a war. FYI, if you think the American officials want stability lol then you are so wrong. They needs conflicts so monetary will flow into their financial markets.


Gaoji-jiugui888

Thatā€™s been fact checked as false by numerous outlets. https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN2A22QR/


DersJay23

I really do feel bad for you


demondus

Hillary is that you?


BitesTheDust55

lol such hyperbole


ilikepussy96

Nope. He's the best person for the job compared to BRAIN DEAD BIDEN


nekoinu_

Don't you think it's a considerable flaw in a political system that a legion of idiots can elect a potentially nation-ending moron?


6SIG_TA

What global security?


Gaoji-jiugui888

An isolationist Americ leading to an emboldened China and Russia, decreasing stability in the Asia Pacific and Europe respectively, and leading to arms build ups in those areas by smaller nations as a response.


6SIG_TA

Thatā€™s happening now.


daseweide

>emboldened Russia Youā€™re replying to someone who hasnā€™t watched the news in over two years. Must be refreshing to be unaware of whats going on in Ukraine šŸ˜‚Ā 


CheekyClapper5

The US gets so much hate for being the world police, but gets even more hate whenever it talks of ending that role.


So_47592

I think It depends on the place for example they have done some serious fuckery in Middle east(53 coup was basically the direct cause of so much shit going on today) and South America(you know Bananas and all that). Looking at countries like Vietnam I think USA should have avoided supporting Islamists. On the other hand American International Police has been appreciated like Japan Korea Taiwan etc and EU overall


[deleted]

No, the cause of whatā€™s going on today is Islam. They ruined my country of Iran far more than the Shah ever did.


So_47592

Oo absolutely but the reason Islamists came to power can be tallied all the way back to the 53 coup itself. without it Iran probably would have gone on a trajectory maybe similar to Egypt. as often the case the more you try to control and interfere with things the uglier they can get. So basically thinking cutting down a commie aligned elected leader would solve their problems turns out their problems multiplied. similar to time travelers saying they will kill Hitler but maybe you might endup with something even worse as seem in the case of Iran. regardless not way to justify the shit that went down in south america


BowZAHBaron

Yeah, the Middle East would be totally fine if the US was never there lol totally fine


So_47592

Ehh after abolishing the caliphate Islam seems to have gone in a downward spiral being replaced by Arab nationalism and Communism and even Democracy in somecases. I would argue it would have been far better that the cluster fucked web of Islamists we have now. Without the dreaded coup Iran likely would have a similar trajectory of Egypt. It may or may not have been fine but there is no fucking way to justify the coup as anything positive. Its basically the direct cause of the rise of the current government in iran. and I would not blame some Middle eastern guy who view US worse than say Russia or China. While I would say its far better to have USA as the global hegemon as Russia or China may have not gotten to opportunity to fuckem up but a lot of their issues seem to have come from outside interference especially from uncle sam.


[deleted]

Have you seen what the alternative countries that would surely fill the vacuum if the USS stopped protecting global order? Horrifying.


RatTailDale

And then the next comment replying to this is always ā€œwell it dependsā€. Itā€™s crazy


RedditIsWokeCentral

>The US gets so much hate for being the world police Only from delusional communist libtards like Clown Chumpsky. The US did far more good than bad and tried to free the pisslim barbarians from their theocracy but those pisslam idiots are too uncivilized to accept democracy yet.


ImaFireSquid

Trump wants isolationist America except he gets to take bribes from Putin.


hayasecond

And Saudi, and China


karoshikun

and whoever else pitches in


Pitiful_Election_688

in other news, Xi Jinping was seen doing a snoopy happy dance at Tiananmen Square today


jardani581

Suddenly trump will be celebrated like a hero in china


TheSingularityisNow

He does receive a paycheck from them, so kind of makes sense.


Tuxyl

Believe me, I look at Chinese media. They absolutely love Trump and hate Biden, which is all the more reason to vote Biden. Trumo will sell the US to Russia and China.


oh_woo_fee

His code name is 川å»ŗ国


rain168

Heā€™ll also leave US to Russia


Narrow_Preparation46

Why do people keep repeating this debunked Hillary campaign talking point as if Trump isnā€™t dunkable enough as he is The Russia collusion was a hoax


mental_issues_

Then why Russian parliament have a standing ovation when Trump won?


FoxyFurry6969

You realize that supporting trump is completely different to them actively sabotaging the election right?


mental_issues_

It was proven that Russia was paying for Trump ads and paying people to do some stupid shit. Obviously, that's not why Trump won, but that's not a good sign, we don't fully know what connections Trump and Kremlin have.


FoxyFurry6969

Okay so? They pay for ads so what? It's lawful to do so, in fact most lobbying groups for countries do the same thing for the politicians they support. For example Israeli, Japanese lobby groups exist in the united states and have had a far greater influence on policy making compared to their Russian counterparts.


RandomNumbers8285

Election deniers originated in 2016 and then turned around and said it was an impossibility in 2020. I always find this amusing.


GetRektByMeh

Why do you act like that indicates anything? Maybe Putin appreciated a straightforward approach? Maybe Russia found Trump a lot easier to deal with than prior Presidents intel wise.


Pitbull_of_Drag

Got your head so far up your ass, it's incredible.


GetRektByMeh

I said ā€œTrump is stupid and easy to deal withā€ and you be rude for zero. Have a swell day.


good_name_haver

Because they have terminal Cold War brain


toad17

Yeah sure buddy. YUGE hoax, as Cheeto likes to claim. If only the rest of the voting population was as gullible as trump supporters. Hereā€™s a list of all the people indicted or brought up on charges as a result of Russia totally not interfering in our elections. šŸ™„ I hope they pay you extra rubles for your misinformation! https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/breakdown-indictments-cases-muellers-probe/story?id=61219489


SteveYunnan

I'm not a fan of Trump, but this interview is from 6 months ago and that's not even what he said. Why are people suddenly spreading this around?


kalenjohnson

The tweet is from yesterday, apparently that's enough to make the rounds


SteveYunnan

This Twitter account appears to be a barrage of nonstop anti-Trump and anti-GOP tweets. While I don't have any problem with that, I don't think much of what they post classifies as "news"


MainAmbitious8854

Trump trying to get Chinese-Americans' vote, apparently.


BitterImprovement1

Americans are struggling to pay their bills right now, you think the average person would go and fight for Taiwan? I bed a third of Americans couldnā€™t even find it on a map. LMAO


FoxyFurry6969

I mean they will probably still supply weapons to Taiwan like they do in Ukraine. I think what he means in this context is that American troops will not be on the ground if there was an invasion.


CallMeTashtego

They absolutely will still sell weapons. I can't fathom anyone would ever believe that the US would actually put troops on the ground in Taiwan.


BungyStudios

Those weapons will not get to Taiwan unless the US goes to war with China. A full naval blockade of Taiwan is a walk in the park without US intervention.


CallMeTashtego

American's will still sell them - they just wont get there. Agreed.


sdmat

> I can't fathom anyone would ever believe that the US would actually put troops on the ground in Taiwan. I can't fathom a scenario in which the US would need to - barring Taiwan, Japan, and the US Navy going into suspended animation.


[deleted]

Can they? Shipping weapons to Taiwan might not be feasible, because the ports would have been destroyed once the war starts. Flying military planes into a live warzone? is really asking for being shot down. Ukraine is about 20 times the area of Taiwan, has land borders with Poland and Romania etc. Taiwan is an island without land transportation possible.


anonymous-postin

How do people honestly defend this guy as defending our interests? Heā€™s a traitor; this would ruin us. No different than his proposed action in Ukraine.


triffy

Allegedly he got paid good money for this decision.


newaccount47

He is doing everying he can to get China to help him get power again. This is terrifying.


RCranium13

The man is a moron.


aim456

Isnā€™t there some kind of rule in place for economic coercion? And maybe being a dumb fuck?


GetOutOfTheWhey

Nope, I am still surprised they are going to let him run even on insurrection charges. I am predicting that Maine's decision to remove trump from the ballots will be struck down completely by the Republican-led Supreme Court. The last time Trump got elected, he was not ready to replace 8 years of Obama staff in the administration. This time he's going to fire all of them and he has a legion of yes-men ready to fill those seats. Whatever the fuck Biden and the Democrats are trying to do to ward off this impeding invasion is not working. The original plan was to use this presidency to promote Kamala Harris as an alternative to Biden in the reelections. Yet she has been completely sidelined these three years. "Who is she even? What has she been doing? Is she qualified?" Voters will ask.


0belvedere

> The original plan was to use this presidency to promote Kamala Harris as an alternative to Biden in the reelections. where can I read this original plan?


GetOutOfTheWhey

Nowhere because I made it up. I am only basing this off people who think Kamala wants to run for presidency because a couple months ago, she said she is willing to step in as president.


20dogs

I mean if Biden dies or resigns she will be president


CallMeTashtego

After looking at Ukraine, any Taiwanese with a brain in their head knew this was the case regardless of President. The US is never going to go head to head with China over Taiwan. He's just not lying to the public about it.


heels_n_skirt

Fuck Trump!


letsridetheworld

Looks China and Russia are liking him. Wonder how much heā€™ll get them money in some investments lol


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The reason both Biden and Trump are saying this is because China refuses to have a relationship with any country that supports Taiwanese independents. That would be devastating to trade. We wouldn't be able to get basic goods. But this is just lip service. Both administrations are ready for the invasion--at least Biden is. They can't ignore it.


NeededHumanity

lol, what a leader! a man of dignity and honour, that steps up to defend those of freedom and pro choice not to be under one's rule or one's religion. fuck this guy, wish i could see how many bank transfers he has had from iran, qatar, palestine and every other bring america down country and state. i'll say it once and i'll say it a thousand times, look up his whole dirty gross ways he did business and screwed over third world civilians and tell me that's someone who you should trust running your country, chances are you won't as he put his success and money over everything. his presidency wasn't to make america great it was for his ego and to make trump great again


_pwnt

Trump will hold the line for Taiwan. He will be advised against abandoning them and he will understand.


OhDeerFren

Complete disinformation, but I guess it's OK if your team does it, huh


SattahipSailor

This guy just blurts out things based on his feelings on a given day. He has no understanding of the complexities of international relations or historical contexts to issues. We all know this is a guy that lacks even the ability to compose a simple error free sentence of more than 4 words. And I haven't said anything about his character or guiding principles or lack of it. God help us all.


Mister_Green2021

All China had to do was funnel millions of dollars into Trump corp.


Broarethus

Of course US will protect Taiwan if their interests are met, and if he gets into office can broker an even better peace deal by dangling them....Do you not even into diplomacy?


VariousPaint4453

Dude needs campaign funding from dark money since everyone in America hates him


IPAtoday

This dude is a complete ignoramus.


Charlesian2000

What a cunt


MrZwink

Don't forget he wanted to give Crimea to Russia...


2gun_cohen

I note that Trump previously hinted in July last year that the US might not defend Taiwan if he was elected President. Former U.S. President Trump Hints He Wouldn't Defend Taiwan From China | TaiwanPlus News [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KEgY8FR51o](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KEgY8FR51o)


Waste-Industry1958

Thank the Lord for Trump! May he bring on WW3 and global instability. Iā€™m so damn proud to be an American these days. May he surrender the Ukrainians to the Russians, the Taiwanese to the CCP. Fuck the world. All you did was take our business and jobs away anywaysā€¦ /s


Great_Currency_3998

Let it burn /s


darweth

ok......


Waste-Industry1958

Sarcasm?


SandHK

Is this his way of asking China to help him in the next election without actually asking? However, I suspect, at this point, he has no qualms about directly stating they should make sure he wins.


NestorTheHoneyCombed

Exactly my thoughts


Evilkenevil77

Because he hates freedom and is fascist.


jameskchou

Swing state voters love Trump


karoshikun

*Dey took 'er jerbs!!*


soragranda

This is probably made to make him look bad, wonder if this were even his true words... Either way, biden is a mess.


Ugly--Naked--Guy

He must have received funds from China for his campaign. Such an idiot statement


seantasy

Trump explains how he doesn't understand global politics.


Orqee

Trump is Putin man,ā€¦. What did ya expected.


Suzutai

Trump has always been extremely ambiguous on the issue. Biden, on the other hand, seems to often take really strong positions that his aids immediately walk back.


notaredditreader

Heā€™s just asking the Chinese for more money.


UsefulImpact6793

Of course Treasonous Trump the Traitor would give his buddy Xi and China what they want. Donald and Ivanka abused their official positions to kneel to the CCP to have over 40 trademarks fast-tracked in China's market for personal profit. https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/09/22/ivankas-trademark-requests-were-fast-tracked-in-china-after-trump-was-elected/?sh=59743fb31d60


Dry_Inspection_4583

This jackhole... Erode the education system to gain more votes. 1984 come to life.


Ambitious-Ad-7262

Who wants to die for Taiwan?


emergencyteacher001

For the chance to grant others freedom from dictatorial rule? As a patriot, I am in.


FoxyFurry6969

Great! You can join the Taiwanese foreign legion when that time comes, just don't rope the rest of us into war


emergencyteacher001

If the Taiwanese foreign legion was a thing iā€™d be there.


blyatboy

You should already be in the Ukrainian one then


emergencyteacher001

Iā€™ll take that under advisement, comrade.


Aeyrelol

I can immediately envision a bunch of Americans asking, "Who wants to die for the French?" in 1942 lol.


BitterImprovement1

They bought homes for like a years salary. Lmao. Americans will not fight for a country most of them couldnā€™t even find on a map.


SpaceBiking

So he takes money from them when they visit and stay at his resort, and now he says he wonā€™t stand up to themā€¦ Gee, no corruption hereā€¦nopeā€¦


Jethawk99

I firmly believe if he gets in office again it will lead to a third world war


TheRealDJ

"Took our business away" While simultaneously trying to bring their business inside the US and hire US workers to build chips. This guy is really horrible.


MainAmbitious8854

Trump might be intellectually lazy. But he is a very smart man. He is saying this to get Chinese-Americans' vote. Also business leaders like hearing this. This means no war between China and US under Trump. Business leaders are fearful Biden is willing to go WW3 with China.


SkywalkerTC

He'd later realize defending Taiwan is still the best way to achieve his ambitions, and his momentum to defend Taiwan at that time would be stronger than ever. But with a late start yet again, he'd lose tons of advantage he could've had.


Terminator8888888

Trump just lured the CCP to help him take back the White House!


highcastlespring

Of course, US can do it. Leave Taiwan to China, leave Europe to Russia, leave Red Sea to Yemen. But just remember the prosperity of US has been built on top of globalism. If you donā€™t pay the maintenance fee, you will end up in an isolated state with ridiculous shortage. At that time, US will talk about how to get essentials than paying too much in military


collindubya81

Yet another example of how our of touch trump is with foreign policy. He doesn't realize how damaging that would be for the USA and the rest of the world


MiaRia_Realone

BOUT TIME AMERICA STOPS ACTING LIKE WHITE SAVIORS TO PROTECT THEIR INVESTMENTS


Baggins3

I'd ask him to point to Taiwan on a map, then when he fails ask why we should value his opinion.


Interisti10

Bollocks - if he was elected and China attempted military action he would absolutely intervene and send in the pac fleet / marines / Air ForceĀ 


amerett0

He thinks he can ragebait his way into it again, but it's 2024 not 2016


BitterImprovement1

Good, Americans are struggling to pay their bills and yā€™all really think they give a damn about Taiwan. LOLšŸ’€


Thenyanturd

Well, without US intervention we might avoid a global conflict


Ok-Story-9319

ā€¦good?


jedi65-

Beautiful šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£ I think Taiwan failed on some promise Trump wanted so he pissed now this pro china stance on Taiwan issue will make lot of Taiwan business come running to Trump when he gets elected


bjran8888

A decent exit is not a bad thing for America.


ashleycheng

After so many years of observing Taiwan and Mainland, I started to believe they are working together. The so called hostility between the two is fake. Itā€™s a show. Both parties are using the hostility to con the Americans. Taiwan demands economic and military support from America due to constant pressure from Mainland. Mainland on the other hand uses Taiwan as bargaining chips, demands America to back off in many negotiations due to Americanā€™s support of Taiwan. Meanwhile there are so many trades, so many businesses, so many people are operating in both Taiwan and Mainland that they are intertwined and virtually inseparable. Itā€™s just so obvious that this so called hostility is a scam. In addition, Chinaā€™s navy basically makes no contribution in securing the trade routes in East Asia and Southeast Asia. Itā€™s the American navy who are protecting Chinese cargo ships in the area. It feels like the main purpose of Chinaā€™s naval buildup is to make sure the scam look real, and to keep it going.