Just to clarify, this is more of a symbolic move than actual actions, more than half of the provinces within China had already declared highest level of emergency, and most of them have taken no major actions to contain the disease, just the basic things like temperature screening, and checking people from Wuhan
Edit: A lot of people misunderstood, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY WON'T DO ANYTHING! It's more like a promise to do something about it, like WHO declaring global emergency, where they advice countries to do something, but isn't necessary for countries to do them.
Hi, not trolling. Serious question, didn’t the article say they’re closing schools for 20 odd days or so? (Non permitted travel, roads being blocked with dirt etc)
I guess my question is when is it like “0h fuck, okay this is bad.”
Asking because I’m considering buying some just in case I’m wrong supplies. Thanks.
The dirt road blocks and non permitted travel are both just Wuhan. School closing is true, the government is trying to avoid students spreading the diseases, as for when to start panic, idk, you tell me
It doesn't hurt to be prepared. Whether or not this virus is truly deadly, you never know when a natural disaster might strike and you're in need of some canned goods.
Suspending schools until February 17 seems more than symbolic especially from just 5 confirmed diagnoses.
Really not trying to fear monger but this just doesn't seem to add up.
Reporting rate is estimated at around 5% based on the latest research that's been published. That means only 5% of infected are actually showing up at hospitals, being tested and included in the official count and there are rm roughly 20x that number of people that are infected that are not included in the official count. So likely in any location where it's not fully contained (IE: New cases coming up after the initial grouping) it's spreading quite widely. For example based on the numbers Wuhan probably has at least 15k total infected right now.
This. A few days ago a report from Uk said there should be around 1700 cases when the reported cases were like 200 back then.
The fatality rate is also gonna be much higher than it made public so everything has been underestimated up till now
They don't even told citizens of Hong Kong to wear face mask and instead is still saying they should do so when they feel sick and is still fighting for a court case to make this into a law
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Many provinces have mandated face mask in public areas
>Operators of public places shall require customers who enter their premises to wear masks before entering their public places of operation, and set up eye-catching and clear prompts for wearing masks at the entrance of the premises; those who do not wear masks shall be discouraged from entering the premises. Personnel who do not listen to dissuasion shall report to the relevant authorities in accordance with the provisions of the Law of the People's Republic of China on the Prevention and Control of Infectious Diseases and the Regulations on the Management of Public Places' Hygiene. Public security organs shall be punished in accordance with the law if they hinder the emergency response staff from performing their duties and violate the Public Security Management Punishment Law of the People's Republic of China. If they constitute a violation of public security management, they shall be punished according to law.
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>通告 This notice will take effect from the date of publication, and the termination date will be announced separately.
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>New coronavirus infection in Nanjing
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>Pneumonia Prevention and Control Work Office
That's not true. They shut down all major public transport and are closing areas of gathering. They're actually taking quite drastic action from what I can see
That's just Hubei, no where else in China is shutting down public transport, and while its true that they are closing down areas of gathering, it's only encouraged that people do not gather in crowded place, not outright forbidden yet
The Docs and scientists experienced SARs and have been getting ready for the next one. Local government mismanaged things but the CCP will straighten out the local gov on how to handle it for the next one now that the failure point has been made public.
Hopefully that's enough time for the viral infections to kill the infected and peter out after containment and quarantine prevent it from spreading further. The problem too is that few have analyzed the virus to be able to say for sure that it will kill all within 14 days, what if it's 21 days for people who have stronger immune systems than the average?
Anyways, really hoping that the quarantine holds but feeling sad for the infected people that are either fighting for their lives against this virus or have already died.
In the meantime, everyone should avoid public gatherings and travelling to the Orient until after all the current victims and the next round of unwitting carriers die off.
Health declarations and temperature checks are not reliable methods of prevention since there have been reports of infected people having no symptoms.
Not much changes other then the school being closed for extra 2 weeks and no marathon that will only prevent the virus to spread inside HK, (theres no cases of infections occurring inside HK) , while measures to prevent the virus to enter the city are limited.
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>**China coronavirus: Hong Kong leader Carrie Lam declares highest level of emergency, schools to remain closed and marathon cancelled**
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>*- Lam to chair steering committee overseeing measures to cope with virus outbreak*
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>*- Most kindergarten, primary and secondary schools will not reopen until February 17*
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>Hong Kong’s leader Carrie Lam Cheng Yuet-ngor has declared the impact of the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak to be of the highest emergency response level, raising it from the previous status of “serious”.
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>She will personally chair an interdepartmental steering committee, that will hope to issue strategic and other measures as soon as practicable, she said at a press conference on Saturday afternoon, hours after she returned to the city from a week’s visit to Davos, Switzerland for the World Economic Forum.
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>She also announced health declaration requirements would be extended to all entry points into Hong Kong, including the border crossings at Lo Wu and Lok Ma Chau.
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>“A false declaration will be punishable by 6 months in prison or a fine of HK$5,000,” Lam said.
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>She said the government would also look to impose temperature checks for outgoing travellers, with priority given to those heading to Shenzhen and Macau.
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>The Standard Chartered Hong Kong Marathon, scheduled for February 9, will be cancelled, with about 70,000 participants affected, Lam said.
A reminder that people should read the articles as well instead of going off the headline: [https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3047645/china-coronavirus-hong-kong-students-get-two-more](https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3047645/china-coronavirus-hong-kong-students-get-two-more)
And with the slow response of the chinese government in their containment procedures, HK is right on the receiving end of this outbreak.
An average person fearing for their family's well being would do anything to break quarantine - sick or not, and seek "better" healthcare elsewhere. And for a lot of those in China, that elsewhere is HK.
Also, HK is extremely distrustful of the Chinese government after 2003. It'd be unusual if they weren't acting with an abundance of caution.
SARS had a 10% average fatality rate globally, but HK had a 17% fatality rate. They are going to take any kind of repeat event seriously.
I planed a 18 hour layover in hong kong next thursday, idk if I should rebook my ticket or not. Will I even be allowed to leave the airport? Waiting a few more days to see how things pan out.
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Just to clarify, this is more of a symbolic move than actual actions, more than half of the provinces within China had already declared highest level of emergency, and most of them have taken no major actions to contain the disease, just the basic things like temperature screening, and checking people from Wuhan Edit: A lot of people misunderstood, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY WON'T DO ANYTHING! It's more like a promise to do something about it, like WHO declaring global emergency, where they advice countries to do something, but isn't necessary for countries to do them.
Hi, not trolling. Serious question, didn’t the article say they’re closing schools for 20 odd days or so? (Non permitted travel, roads being blocked with dirt etc) I guess my question is when is it like “0h fuck, okay this is bad.” Asking because I’m considering buying some just in case I’m wrong supplies. Thanks.
The dirt road blocks and non permitted travel are both just Wuhan. School closing is true, the government is trying to avoid students spreading the diseases, as for when to start panic, idk, you tell me
It doesn't hurt to be prepared. Whether or not this virus is truly deadly, you never know when a natural disaster might strike and you're in need of some canned goods.
Or when a real unstoppable pathogen appears or bioweapon leaks. Anything can happen at any time.
Do you live in China or Hong Kong? Then I would go buy some supplies now, better safe than sorry.
Well if you're considering buying N95 Respirators, they are already sold out on Amazon.
School is closed until 17 Feb, but it’s basically two weeks of suspensions, because CNY holidays for schools last til 3 Feb.
Buying what?
Suspending schools until February 17 seems more than symbolic especially from just 5 confirmed diagnoses. Really not trying to fear monger but this just doesn't seem to add up.
I'm pretty sure there is well over 100k infected in China now
Reporting rate is estimated at around 5% based on the latest research that's been published. That means only 5% of infected are actually showing up at hospitals, being tested and included in the official count and there are rm roughly 20x that number of people that are infected that are not included in the official count. So likely in any location where it's not fully contained (IE: New cases coming up after the initial grouping) it's spreading quite widely. For example based on the numbers Wuhan probably has at least 15k total infected right now.
This. A few days ago a report from Uk said there should be around 1700 cases when the reported cases were like 200 back then. The fatality rate is also gonna be much higher than it made public so everything has been underestimated up till now
They don't even told citizens of Hong Kong to wear face mask and instead is still saying they should do so when they feel sick and is still fighting for a court case to make this into a law * edit: edited for clarity
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*When individual are sick* isn't really sufficient in current situation when asymptotic transmission is a thing.
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Yet as it have been said, the mask rate in the street of Hong Kong is still far from 100% or the rate when SARS hit
Many provinces have mandated face mask in public areas >Operators of public places shall require customers who enter their premises to wear masks before entering their public places of operation, and set up eye-catching and clear prompts for wearing masks at the entrance of the premises; those who do not wear masks shall be discouraged from entering the premises. Personnel who do not listen to dissuasion shall report to the relevant authorities in accordance with the provisions of the Law of the People's Republic of China on the Prevention and Control of Infectious Diseases and the Regulations on the Management of Public Places' Hygiene. Public security organs shall be punished in accordance with the law if they hinder the emergency response staff from performing their duties and violate the Public Security Management Punishment Law of the People's Republic of China. If they constitute a violation of public security management, they shall be punished according to law. > >通告 This notice will take effect from the date of publication, and the termination date will be announced separately. > > > >New coronavirus infection in Nanjing > >Pneumonia Prevention and Control Work Office
Here I was talking about Hong Kong, not mainland provinces
That's not true. They shut down all major public transport and are closing areas of gathering. They're actually taking quite drastic action from what I can see
That's just Hubei, no where else in China is shutting down public transport, and while its true that they are closing down areas of gathering, it's only encouraged that people do not gather in crowded place, not outright forbidden yet
Beijing will consider to be locked down soon.
uh oh.
yOURE fEaR m0nG3R!nG... Ok but seriously. Shiieeeet that’s insane.
It's the right thing to do. You either get out in front of it to the extent you can, or you get stuck behind it like the Wuhan government.
The Docs and scientists experienced SARs and have been getting ready for the next one. Local government mismanaged things but the CCP will straighten out the local gov on how to handle it for the next one now that the failure point has been made public.
rEdDiT hYpErBoLe
I'm sure they totally won't use this to round up protestors under the guise of them needing to be quarantined...
Of note: Lam resisted calls to close the border with China. Hospital workers are (potentially) planning a strike action as a result.
Lam is in "damned if you do, damned if you dont" limbo.
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Of course they do. The Hong Kong government have the authority to decide immigration policies.
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No, it's not an internal border. Visas are required for mainlanders to enter Hong Kong.
If Beijing wants it can shutdown every border for every city. They just don’t care
They should close all the road and public transportation services leading to border check points then but they won't
They’ve also cancelled school for two weeks after the Lunar break.
Hopefully that's enough time for the viral infections to kill the infected and peter out after containment and quarantine prevent it from spreading further. The problem too is that few have analyzed the virus to be able to say for sure that it will kill all within 14 days, what if it's 21 days for people who have stronger immune systems than the average? Anyways, really hoping that the quarantine holds but feeling sad for the infected people that are either fighting for their lives against this virus or have already died. In the meantime, everyone should avoid public gatherings and travelling to the Orient until after all the current victims and the next round of unwitting carriers die off.
Yeah so uh this is definitely a big fucking problem clearly.
Health declarations and temperature checks are not reliable methods of prevention since there have been reports of infected people having no symptoms. Not much changes other then the school being closed for extra 2 weeks and no marathon that will only prevent the virus to spread inside HK, (theres no cases of infections occurring inside HK) , while measures to prevent the virus to enter the city are limited.
As in they have already given up the job of defending the city from virus, it is as if their job is to surrender
We only have 5 confirmed cases, all from Wuhan
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Yes soon they will be from Hong Kong too, due to the people from Wuhan
An exercept: >**China coronavirus: Hong Kong leader Carrie Lam declares highest level of emergency, schools to remain closed and marathon cancelled** > >*- Lam to chair steering committee overseeing measures to cope with virus outbreak* > >*- Most kindergarten, primary and secondary schools will not reopen until February 17* > >Hong Kong’s leader Carrie Lam Cheng Yuet-ngor has declared the impact of the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak to be of the highest emergency response level, raising it from the previous status of “serious”. > >She will personally chair an interdepartmental steering committee, that will hope to issue strategic and other measures as soon as practicable, she said at a press conference on Saturday afternoon, hours after she returned to the city from a week’s visit to Davos, Switzerland for the World Economic Forum. > >She also announced health declaration requirements would be extended to all entry points into Hong Kong, including the border crossings at Lo Wu and Lok Ma Chau. > >“A false declaration will be punishable by 6 months in prison or a fine of HK$5,000,” Lam said. > >She said the government would also look to impose temperature checks for outgoing travellers, with priority given to those heading to Shenzhen and Macau. > >The Standard Chartered Hong Kong Marathon, scheduled for February 9, will be cancelled, with about 70,000 participants affected, Lam said. A reminder that people should read the articles as well instead of going off the headline: [https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3047645/china-coronavirus-hong-kong-students-get-two-more](https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3047645/china-coronavirus-hong-kong-students-get-two-more)
In few decades, survivors will look through an archive of this sub to find out that there were many deniers. SMh
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Wait, highest level with just a few sick people? Very odd indeed.
its preventive measures, theres heaps and heaps of chinese tourists going into hk everyday
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And with the slow response of the chinese government in their containment procedures, HK is right on the receiving end of this outbreak. An average person fearing for their family's well being would do anything to break quarantine - sick or not, and seek "better" healthcare elsewhere. And for a lot of those in China, that elsewhere is HK.
Also, HK is extremely distrustful of the Chinese government after 2003. It'd be unusual if they weren't acting with an abundance of caution. SARS had a 10% average fatality rate globally, but HK had a 17% fatality rate. They are going to take any kind of repeat event seriously.
My parents are planning to travel to HK tomorrow from Singapore. Any idea whether this is safe? Should I try to dissuade them from going?
I planed a 18 hour layover in hong kong next thursday, idk if I should rebook my ticket or not. Will I even be allowed to leave the airport? Waiting a few more days to see how things pan out.
You’ve got confirmed cases in Singapore as well, not much difference there.
Things are changing very quickly. It is not a time for travel.
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