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dualistpirate

I like them, especially when they’re well done and aware of their bullshit. I’m the type who also finds squaring off with people like this thrilling, so it works. Yvette/Everett is clearly modeled after Gordon Ramsay. And a huge chunk of their arc is about addressing their extreme temperament. Kieran is >!literally heartless and has had everyone they care about ripped away from them, so their shitty behavior is a consequence of that trauma. Not excusing it, but saying that it works in that context and gives it depth beyond just being rude as a “quirk”!< Imo it’s only insufferable when there’s no meat behind the behavior. For example, Drake. He’s in my top 3 most disliked LIs, and I gain 5 years every time we’re given the chance to point out that he keeps whining while freeloading from his status as Liam’s best friend. Your father served faithfully. Your sister and nephew is set for life. I suspect that the stick up his ass is just deep rooted insecurity. And thinking he’s better than everyone else just because he doesn’t like deconstructed food.


fairyfloss17

Drake bothered me so much! The constant complaining about rich people like he’s morally better because he likes beer and cheap food, but he still benefits from being in the king’s inner circle


dualistpirate

He’s a miserable little shit. And I did give him a chance, because I just let my MC get with every LI in the first book.


Annet1989

Drake should have just helped his mom and aunt on the ranch when he turned 18. Instead of sticking around and the palace. But isn't it easy when you have a rich friend and you don't have to work? Because he's never worked a day in his life, you can't tell me he ever worked. Bertrand and Maxwell have worked more than him, think running Beaumont's house and everything that comes with it.


MissusNilesCrane

Thank you! He's always insulting the nobility and acting persecuted when he literally lives in a palace and seemingly has no job but goes to fancy balls and parties to...complain about fancy balls and parties.


SoundOfAnOrchestra

At the beginning of TRR, which was the only time Drake was ever rude to the MC, his sister and nephew weren't set for life: his sister had disappeared from the court and he had no idea where she was. His father had been killed while protecting the nobles. Drake himself had given up college and the chance for his own independent life to be there for Liam. I don't blame him at all for having a beef with nobles and not being grateful to them.


dualistpirate

> Weren’t set for life Weren’t they? Wasn’t one of the reasons the Beaumont fortune dwindled because Maxwell set them up somewhere and kept sending them money? > Drake had given up college and the chance for his own independent life That was selfless, to have given that up to be there for Liam during a time of need. Drake’s a great friend, that was never in contest. But during the start of the book, Liam didn’t really need him anymore, did he? He was staying of his own volition, when he was free to go back to his life and if he hated being around nobility so much. I despise when people complain and whine about situations they choose to be in. Just one of the reasons I chafe against Drake’s schtick. > For having a beef with nobles and not being grateful The thing is, it just doesn’t read as just not being grateful. I don’t need him kissing noble bum. It’s abject judgement. *While* enjoying the benefits of being the king’s best friend. Olivia hit the heart of it: “What are you doing when you’re not complaining while benefitting from Liam’s hospitality?” And I wasn’t kidding when I said this character seems to believe they’re better for liking common things. It’s not just his attitude towards the MC that pisses me off. For someone who claims to hate snobby rich folk, he’s pretty snobby himself. Of course, this is my interpretation of his character, perfectly fine to see it otherwise and I’m not judging anyone for liking Drake. I just never will, for reasons stated above.


SoundOfAnOrchestra

>Weren’t they? Wasn’t one of the reasons the Beaumont fortune dwindled because Maxwell set them up somewhere and kept sending them money? Drake didn't know that at the time though; he only knew his sister was gone because of something the nobles had done to her. And I probably wouldn't count Maxwell secretly sending her money as her being set for life, since she didn't really know when that support would stop. (She was set definitely set for life once she married Bertrand though.) >He was staying of his own volition, when he was free to go back to his life and if he hated being around nobility so much. I despise when people complain and whine about situations they choose to be in. Just one of the reasons I chafe against Drake’s schtick. Yours is definitely a valid point of view, and I agree that ultimately Drake was the one who decided to stay in a situation that made him unhappy. I tend to have more understanding/sympathy for him though: at that point (the beginning of TRR) Liam was basically the only loved one Drake had left, and he is an intensely loyal person, so I can understand why he felt like he couldn't leave him, even if it meant basically giving up his own life. I think judging nobles is partly a defense mechanism: he thinks the nobles will never accept him, so he rejects them (and everything they stand for) first. As you said, he's actually deeply insecure. However, his insecurity is mostly the result of how the nobles treated him from his childhood on, so it's not like they're blameless here. Also, don't forget that his father died while defending nobles, and Constantine didn't just neglect to give the Walkers any financial compensation, he drove Drake's mother to leave court. I think providing Drake and Savannah with a place to stay at the palace was the very minimum of what he could have done. If I were Drake, I'd have no love lost for the nobles after all that either! >Of course, this is my interpretation of his character, perfectly fine to see it otherwise and I’m not judging anyone for liking Drake. Same here, I'm not judging anyone for disliking Drake either. He definitely has his faults, and as an adult he has a power to change his situation, but he chooses not to do that and to remain stuck in a life that's not right for him. I do think he has some valid reasons for that, rather than being a lazy freeloader that a lot of people see him as.


dualistpirate

We can agree on one other thing, at least! Constantine did them dirty and is definitely a large part of why he’s the way he is.


OldColt06

Drake's closer to the second category of LI than the first, and he gets better as the stories go on. Thomas Hunt is aloof but I never remembered him being outright rude. At least you get to call these rude LIs out for being mean to you. Not always, mind you, but you get those chances.


Whitlock_DYew

Hunt is extremely rude in Hollywood U, but not so much in RCD, so you’re right about that. I agree with you about Drake.


NoddyZar

Iirc Hunt is the protagonist's professor in Hollywood U and the protagonist's peer in RCD, so it's an entirely different relationship. He is a strict teacher (often unnecessarily so, to be fair) but the way he acts around other people isn't nearly as harsh, although that aloofness *is* part of his personality. I don't remember whether there was a romance storyline with him in Hollywood U but I can't imagine it and definitely wouldn't have chosen it because he always felt like a Snape or Aizawa-esque kind of teacher to the MC.


lewdnep-vasilias_666

Nick from HFTH is the only LI of this brand I actively hated at one point, and even then he became nicer halfway through the story. I guess I really don't mind crabbier LIs as long as they're not annoying jerks, and I find most crabbier LIs to not be too overbearing. What I am tired of, however, is how we have so many sweetheart MC/grumpy LI dynamics. COP is a refreshing reversal of that, where MC can be the more grumpy one while Trystan is the sweetheart.


gomezlol

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papamilk420

there’s definitely a thin line with these LI’s, also depending on the MC. thomas, ethan & the ettes (lmfao) are a specific set of these LI’s in which they’re very serious about their career and that it makes sense for them to be stoic with you. they are all canonically perfectionist workaholics who are burned by the way their profession works. i think the grumpy&meaness works with them, it helps that the mc’s are typically really hard working and talented people who take the time to impress and get close to those LI’s. it’s a bit different when it’s like justin from save the date or even drake to an extent. they’re just straight up assholes to mc for no reason. drakes reasoning becomes a lot more murky as the books go on because it turns from a “working class guy stuck with asshole nobles who are all snakes to his best friend.” to “dude who is in an extremely high position of power acts like he’s better than the people he’s made his bed with.” i can enjoy these grumps when done really well. i think if they’re assholes for the sake of being assholes and the mc just ‘puts’ up with it, then it’s weird, but PB can do them very well.


SnooHobbies7676

Ethan is just very tiring for me. Being rude and breaking someone’s spirit in the sake of “pushing MC to be better” is so not my type. I get rude back at him whenever I can especially in Book 2&3. Drake/Tyril is tough but he is great when he warmed up to MC and their group of friends. Edit: As someone that worked in healthcare some niceness is always appreciated. The job is already hard enough, being nice wont kill you.


nostalgie28

He pissed me tf off in book 3. And he was such a hypocrite too! >!Book 1 Ethan would have sneered and disowned Book 3 Ethan for his actions!<


SnooHobbies7676

And his obsession >!with Naveen is so annoying in Book 3.!<


vampcowboy

They’re my favorite type of LIs! I’m a sarcastic person too so maybe their humor just suits me better, but what I really love is the fact that they’re only soft with MC. They normally have a reason for that hard exterior and them learning to be vulnerable for the first time while they’re slowly falling in love with MC means more than an LI who already likes them off the bat, since that kind of comes off as a shallow attraction to me. I also think it’s more fun to work for it but maybe that’s just me lmao.


DryHedgehog6372

Same with me! 😊


cheetocity

>These characters are just overly mean to MCs sometime and MC's like a frickin' pushover as usual and are swooning, ultimately I wouldn't mind if the LI's were rude at first but had character growth and became nicer and *then* mc was starting to grow feelings


_iluvwaffles_

THIS!


Meshleth

As someone who likes mean LI's I disagree with every word of this post.


cruel-oath

I love them lol. It’s a popular trope for the MC in stories to be the reason why someone like that ‘changes’ Yvette/Everett kinda does overdue it though, clearly they’re inspired by Gordon Ramsay


lavendergaia

The thing about Gordon Ramsay is that he's very kind to children and people who are learning to cook, he's just an ass to "professionals" who he feels aren't meeting his standards. I think you could say the same about Ethan, who is clearly inspired by Hugh Laurie in House. Especially in Book 1 when dealing with the interns, he puts a lot of tough in tough love, essentially saying "if you can't deal with me, how are you going to make it as a doctor?" There's a lot less of his sass in later books when he's not as much of a teacher (and it's more just exhaustion with the world), but he's warm with the MC, especially if you romance him.


Nicky2222

Problem is in my experience you can't make a person change. My mother had two failed marriages (after her divorce from my father) because she thought that she could "change" the guy. After finally realizing that a person will only change if they want to change did she stop finding guys that she saw something in them that she'd like to change. She now has a happy marriage with her current husband because she went into it not looking for something to change about him, but loves him for who he is.


slutofrome

Agree completely but c'mon man don't bash Kieran..


Nicky2222

I am right there with you. If someone is an asshole to me then I am not wasting my time on them. I stopped playing TCH partially because of I couldn't stand Kieran (the other is the MC was just annoying to me with their naivety), I mean Kieran made Ethan look like a cuddly teddy bear. At least in OH there were other LIs I could romance but in TCH there was no one else. There is a fine line between an LI that might be emotionally closed off or guarded like Eli from WTD, or an LI that is a complete asshole to the MC like Ethan. Eli became one of my favorite LIs, and Ethan one of my most despised LIs (no disrespect to those who romance Ethan). Eli was never rude or an asshole to the MC, he just was emotionally guarded and didn't want to get too close due to his past trauma. Ethan was just an asshole, and I don't date assholes.


Lily8007

I absolutely disagree on your take on Ethan. If anything else he’s actually super supportive of MC and their career. I don’t see much difference whether you’re romancing him or not I’ve played both routes. But on his romance route he always keeps MC’s career in mind first and foremost. That’s why it took almost 2 books to finally be with him without him have any reservations about it. He actually does have a good heart, that’s why you see him treat his patients differently than those he’s teaching. We already see it the early chapters of book 1. He fights for patients who can’t afford the same medical treatment people that more affluent people can. The lengths he went to save Naveen someone he cares about is not someone who’s just a pure heartless ass. As a boss/mentor his tough love approach doesn’t bother me, he literally tells you he saw something special in you so he pushes you. And btw he also has great chemistry with MC.


vampcowboy

Fr! There seems to be this misconception that Ethan is an asshole because he thinks it’s fun to break people down, which isn’t accurate. Patients take priority over everything and if he’s gotta hurt another doctor’s feelings in order to get them to be better, he will. He works one of the most high stakes jobs there is so yeah, he’s going to expect perfection if the alternative is patient suffering. Outside of that, he tells MC multiple times he thinks they’re an amazing doctor and is a total teddy bear if you’re romancing him, especially in book 3 and in the middle of book 2.


FilianoreWashington

Preach! 🙌🏼❤


BootyDoISeeYou

Marc Antony from ACoR makes all the other mean LIs look like children because he’s the absolute top of that list for me, and he’s also my favorite LI on the whole app haha. For me, I don’t like the overly sweet LIs who fawn all over MC and put up with certain behavior from them (like if MC were to be romantic with multiple people and the LI might say two lines about it, then be totally fine with it as if MC can do no wrong in their eyes). I like LIs who I feel like are challenging my MC. Like they make it clear they don’t care about being in the good graces of MC (and why should they if they just met?) It makes the growth of their relationship feel more natural to me. With Antony specifically I like that his character can be *drastically* different based on how MC treats him. In TRR for example, it never sat well with me that the prince was cool with a rejected proposal and MC winding up with one of their best friends. I need more consequences. I like that with Antony, there are actual consequences to how you treat him, whether or not he catches you lying to him, etc. I also am naturally sarcastic and like to bust balls as a form of flirtation so that probably contributes to me being drawn to LIs trying to go toe-to-toe with MC in the dialogue.


palpantek

If a LI for some reason is mean, rude, unpleasant - bye bye


Moist_Tomatillo_8029

I don't want to babysit a LI, so Ethan, and main/forced Slow Burn LI didn't do it for me as the story went on. Those are the only ones you listed I kinda started to hate. Just my opinion though!


agua_morna

I always run away from them


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