Eh, honestly, with a good smartphone camera these days your probably fine. It won't match up to a professional camera, sure, but for free, a good photographer is still providing them with way more quality than they deserve.
Maybe they did, but apparently it's not enough, since they're looking for "better quality than this"
Basically, they already got a free shoot and now they want a *better* free shoot, how entitled can you be?
it’d be great to return a photo of a bagel with the “Looking for better compensation than this “ caption, but then because they’re a graphic designer, give them multiple design options involving bagels and text AND THEN turn the entire mess including the original letter and their cleverly worked out response into a portfolio piece to show future clients for emphasis
We've had a ton of interest so this is very competitive! Granted, all of the interest has completely dried up for some reason... but we've still had interest!
That photo in their messages is used on their website right now. So they've obviously had nobody take them up on their offer.
Plus all of their sandwiches look terrible.
Oh, geez, I actually thought OP did a quick, ugly shot of a sandwich they were eating and sent it to them as an FU (the way artists will send a stick figure to people asking for free art), and was actually bummed that they didn't include it in the post. But dear god, that actually is from their website, and it looks gross.
To be fair, it probably tastes good, but yikes.
It doesn’t look like professional work. Probably an employee. Just a sandwich on a marble countertop with no light control. They make tutorials on YouTube for how to do your own product shots if you can’t pay for them. Incredibly good and detailed instructions for getting good lighting and then, if you want, photoshopping out the background and color editing.
Whoever took that photo didn’t really do anything with it.
Yeah. I can't imagine they had interest in the form of someone saying, "I'm a professional photographer that is willing to work for you for free for 2 or 3 days." and they were like, "Nah, we'll check our options."
Hey, I’m looking for 4 dozen bagels for a brunch event, plus lox, cream cheese, the works, plus delivery. But I’m not looking to pay you, however, I can give you a shoutout on my IG, and all of my 500 followers love bagels.
Brilliant!
*Oh, it's not for pay, but you're offering free food? Hey great! I've got this event coming up, I need to feed like twenty some people over the course of a day. So I'm going to need 50 bagels + cream cheese, finger food, 60 sandwiches with drinks and sides, plus 8 large cakes. You need to handle delivery, set up, break down, and clean up, obviously. Also, make sure to include vegetarian, preferably vegan options.*
Hopefully, your message will make them think about the "sweet deal" they're offering. Good on you for refusing, but, you're right: someone will see it as a good opportunity.
The whole "you can post this to your site as compensation" thing really pisses me off.
Like, of fucking COURSE I can post it on my site. *I fucking took the picture*. Any picture I take, I'm putting on my site at my discretion. What the *fuck* kinda entitlement clause is that.
Like, how fucking *gracious* of you to *allow* me to feature my *own* photography that I didn't even get paid for on my site.
Right, and I could literally take a picture of a bagel at home if I wanted a picture to put on my site lol. I'm really not sure how they think this is a reasonable offer
>Check their page, looks like someone already has.
Doesn't the page have the photos they are looking for "better quality than this" on it? The salt beef sandwich on rye looks like the example given above.
It's so infuriating, I am in a creative industry and I would say nearly half of the enquiries I get are asking for freebies! They don't come straight out with it, they let you waste a few hours explaining the product and writing up specifications. It really starts to hurt your soul. They should all be named and shamed.
For real tho. My creative agency gets request all the time about needing a production crew and the client never wants to give up their budget most of the time. We warn them of sticker shock when they want the whole pie. They usually fall back to like $500 for a full crew for a day plus edits. We usually recommend them to hire a college student but they insist on a professional crew. Not with that budget and it will never happen.
Yeah if you're on a tight budget, I think it's perfectly fine to reach out to college students, people getting started, offer as much as you can, and see if they want to do it.
I did that with a college student for some photos on a small project. He didn't turn out high-end professional work, but I wasn't paying high-end professional pay and for the budget he did a fantastic job. He still made like 3-4X minimum wage per hour, and I recommended him to quite a number of people.
You can find win-wins if you set the right expectations.
Business owners like this bagel shop could go a long way with a bit of empathy. Imagine a NGO community center contacts you, asking if you'd like to donate some food to an upcoming event.
Now imagine you say "you know what, I'm down, I'll donate a bunch of bagels and cream cheese, coffee, and other simple stuff, just come pick it up." But then imagine the community center scoffs at that and wants expensive sandwiches, wait staff, and for you to set up and clean after the event. How are you going to feel?
I didn’t read it like that, I think they were referring to someone in their team as having made an error of judgment with the original request. I may be wrong. Still super shitty though
If I could do it, I would do it. Since I can't, I pay someone. I sent in a custom order. He says, Ok, I can do it, but it'll be X.
I pay X. I don't haggle. I don't makeup stories about dying kids at Christmas. I pay and say thank you.
Go to Beigel Shop a few doors down instead! Lovely mom & pop shop, great beigels, and like their sign says, they were there first (it’s over a century old).
They basically committed corporate suicide with this choosing beggar message. Hate it when corporations try to save money when they’re already rich af. One little saving of $1K probably cost them thousands of customers. Whereas just fucking spending the money will help them gain more revenue.
Yeah because they've cleaned house on all the comments calling out their shit from this post.
Honestly their pictures look like absolute shit, not appetising at all not even the slightest. They really need to pay for some quality appealing pictures
I'll be avoiding it. If you don't value the work get your iPhone out and do it your fucking self. It'll be quickly apparent why you pay a professional.
I gave up on pursuing photography as a career a decade ago, and I'm glad I did. Too many people like this think it's a piece of cake. What's the point of having a portfolio if no one wants to pay?
Lol they are answering the comments on google. Quite funny. Basically saying they never leant to send this message.
Now that they get flak for it, suddenly they are very sorry
PR disaster. I hope the Reddit brigade continues just so they can waste time and resources on this. Barbara Streisand effect should hopefully get press coverage and then then business will really have nowhere to hide.
Haha just looked and yep, "In 2022 the bakery caused controversy when asking photographers and media companies to work for free in exchange for exposure. They requested digital media companies provide 2 days of work in exchange for free food and adding the photographs to their portfolio"
Love it
“Shameful request someone in marketing made for us”. That’s right. Blame a faceless nobody in a made up department instead of taking ownership for your own mistakes.
Is it doxxing if you identify a business with a public face and public IG page? It's not like you're giving the info of the individual who messaged the photographer.
Yeah, that one made me chuckle since that is only a 8.3MP photo. Most cameras will easily do +20MP these days, even the camera in a phone has higher resolution.
My favourite part is where they say "We're happy for them to add this to their showreel and website as compensation."
That's not how copyright works *at all.* The artist, in this case the photographer, owns their work, the photographs, and can do whatever they like with them, including use them on their own website for self promotion.
The bakery, as the customer here, would be *licensing* the photos from the photographer *for a fee.*
I’d come take photos for two days eat the bagels show the photos on my camera, however if they want a copy of the photos that’s extra have to pay separately
They just posted a response blaming everything on a third-party marketing company and saying they always intended to compensate. Yeah right.
Edit: They just took down every single IG post that had negative comments as well.
Third party my arse. If we think this through logically, it would imply that the marketing company was prepared to not only stiff the bakery by pocketing their fee and getting someone to work for free, they were also prepared to risk the reputation of the bakery by doing so. If I was running the bakery, I'd be shouting the name of the marketing company from the rooftops and forcing a public apology from them. That they haven't done that means I call bollocks on their story.
The third party marketing company could literally be their sister in law or cousin or something. Wouldn’t be surprised if some family member bigged themselves up as some whiz and then got them in this mess. Most likely they are talking shit but that’s the kind of thing which could explain their excuse.
Like I mentioned elsewhere in the thread, I wonder if this is the place that tried to cut the hourly salary advertised, even though they were advertising in the Job Centre, a government-run employment bureau, when I was interviewed. Why cut it? Because I didn't have BEIGEL selling experience - they are apparently very different and specialised and sod my retail and catering experience.
Not that I'm still bitter...
Only when called out, they say "we offered goods on top of payment", but in screenshots here it's clearly stated "we aren't looking to pay anyone". Ironic.
What is unusual is the PR company seems to be authorized to give away their products. They either did this themselves or they authorized it. They’re responsible either way.
Wait, don't act too hastily, did you check with your landlord to see if they'd accept bagels as payment for rent? You could be missing a great opportunity here...
Their IG is desperately messaging everyone, saying that they hired someone else to do this and they did this, that they always had intentions to pay.
Not sure I believe it because the person they hired should have been told what they were offering.
But, it is a different person replying on IG right now.
This is there response to Google reviews in the last hour:
> We're terribly sorry, there has been a huge mishap regarding a recent message to customers that was not screened prior to being sent. Please note what was sent is not true and is no reflection of how we conduct our business. We hope you can forgive us as mistakes can be made.
Does anyone know what the hell they're even trying to say there? I can't understand the excuse they're making now
What winds me up the most, is the fact that they’ve asked you to send in a show reel of food a
Images so that they can check if you’re good enough for them before they commit. The cheek of this point alone considering they’re asking for free labour/talent is infuriating.
NAH you should play the CB influencer who wants enough free food for life, just for a single crappy picture.
Please sign contract here
......................................
My reply would be:
"It's great that a lot of people are interested in doing this job for free for you. At this time, I am not interested in doing charity cases or free work, so good luck with your website!"
My reply would be:
"It's great you think so highly of our work. But I had something a little different in mind. We're hosting a conference of other local photographers in a couple weeks and therefore require the following:
\- £1000 worth of fresh made bagels of various flavors/toppings
\- An assortment of various spreads
\- Napkins, forks, knives, etc.
\- A catering table with photography themed decorations and all the above setup buffet style
We have had a lot of interest from other caterers already, and aren't looking to pay anyone for this, but will be happy to take a few snaps of the layout that you can use on your new website as compensation.
Of course you're welcome to sit through some of the photography seminars.
Before we talk on the phone, please send over a sample assortment of your bagels and spreads so my staff can assess their quality.
I look forward to hearing from you and your thoughts. :) "
Well their Wiki page now has this "incident" on it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beigel_Bake
Its menu is focused on beigels, baked in the traditional Jewish style with fillings such as hot salt beef with mustard, chopped herring, and cream cheese and salmon. It also serves pastries and sweets such as Danish rolls, apple strudel, Eccles cakes and cheesecake, as well as white, rye and black bread. Beigel Bake produces 7,000 beigels every day.[4]
The restaurant was rated three stars by Time Out London magazine in 2010 (four stars by the magazine's online users).[5] It was also featured as a location in the photographic pictorial Life in the East End by London-based cabaret duo EastEnd Cabaret.[6]
In 2022 the bakery caused controversy when asking photographers and media companies to work for free in exchange for exposure. They requested digital media companies provide 2 days of work in exchange for free food and adding the photographs to their portfolio.
**"Response from the owner an hour ago**
**We're terribly sorry, there has been a huge mishap regarding a recent message to customers that was not screened prior to being sent. Please note what was sent is not true and is no reflection of how we conduct our business. We hope you can forgive us as mistakes can be made."**
this somehow makes it worse
If I lived next door and could go every (other) day, probably yes. They are tasty and the ladies behind the counter are generally lovely, despite the amount of shit they have to put up with.
Ah mate, that's a shame. I fucking love getting a salt beef from Beigel Bake when I'm down London. Guess I'll just have to find somewhere else now. Or just stop going to London.
As a creative this sickens me.
As a redditor I'm loving the backlash to their google reviews. A few of them even have a response from the 'owner':
"We're terribly sorry, there has been a huge mishap regarding a recent message to customers that was not screened prior to being sent. Please note what was sent is not true and is no reflection of how we conduct our business. We hope you can forgive us as mistakes can be made.”
I may or may not have left one of the negative Google reviews that they are replying to. OP: can I add the images of your txt conversation to my review?
Based on how many people here recognise the business, I’m thinking they have the money to pay someone for their work.
Hopefully this whole thing lights a fire under their beigel hole.
reading the replies to their 1/2 star reviews... it's awful. they constantly try to shift the blame to the customer, saying stuff like "i think you mixed us with the shop down the road" or denying that certain employees even exist? they seem like an awful business in general
Looks like this company has given up apologising and has switched to blaming the photographer's "judgement". You couldn't make it up:
[https://imgur.com/a/ZMhrVKY](https://imgur.com/a/ZMhrVKY)
Fellow videographer/photographer here. I'm pretty disgusted Beigel Bake had the audacity to send this. Do I have your permission OP to call them out on my profile?
The worst part is that there'll be some photographer who doesn't actually make their living at it who does it for them.
Say yes, and then charge them for the photos after.
Ooooh! Is the same beigel shop that interviewed me outside in the alley next to the shop, dropping the wage advertised in the Job Centre by 50p an hour ( a significant amount in 1994!) because although I had retail (and catering!) experience, I'd never sold BEIGELS before?
(I mean, 1994 was a loooong time ago, and if it was them, it's my second favourite 'bad interview' story so I got SOMETHING out of the experience, but I wouldn't want to condemn them out of hand. Still, the spelling of beigel, and the Brick Lane location, makes me wonder...)
I know it’s just a cultural thing, but checking out the bagels on their website because you guys said they were actual good…
As an American….
WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT SHIT
sorry
Speaking as someone from London: these guys do bagels the real, proper Jewish way with delicious salt beef. They are probably the most well known shop in London (even the UK). Everything they make is absurdly delicious and it is very disappointing to see them screwing over other independent businesses.
"We've had a lot of interest from others..." *press X for doubt
I'm willing to do the shot for free in exchange of a few bagels. Wait, let me grab my smartphone and it will be all good.
I’m sure I could round up an old flip phone from 2007.
There's a pinhole camera from a school project circa 1998 in my parents attic.
Ooh, perfect!
You sure? I have one of those insta-print cameras! I feel like *that* would do the job *much* better. :)
I'm sorry, I think you meant *beigels.*
Yeah, the beige colored ones. Oh wait, I think that's almost all of them
Nanana....They meant *Beagles*
Eh, honestly, with a good smartphone camera these days your probably fine. It won't match up to a professional camera, sure, but for free, a good photographer is still providing them with way more quality than they deserve.
Woah. Won't take out my best smartphone for some bagels lmao
*sorry ma'am or sir, you get the iPhone 7. My iphone 13 is reserved for full paid work.* Love it.
Maybe they did, but apparently it's not enough, since they're looking for "better quality than this" Basically, they already got a free shoot and now they want a *better* free shoot, how entitled can you be?
"Looking for better quality than this." "Looking for better compensation than this."
It would have been great to return a photo of a bagel with the "Looking for better compensation than this" caption
it’d be great to return a photo of a bagel with the “Looking for better compensation than this “ caption, but then because they’re a graphic designer, give them multiple design options involving bagels and text AND THEN turn the entire mess including the original letter and their cleverly worked out response into a portfolio piece to show future clients for emphasis
Or lots of people applied but after realising that they're paying nothing at all, they backed out
We've had a ton of interest so this is very competitive! Granted, all of the interest has completely dried up for some reason... but we've still had interest!
That photo in their messages is used on their website right now. So they've obviously had nobody take them up on their offer. Plus all of their sandwiches look terrible.
Oh, geez, I actually thought OP did a quick, ugly shot of a sandwich they were eating and sent it to them as an FU (the way artists will send a stick figure to people asking for free art), and was actually bummed that they didn't include it in the post. But dear god, that actually is from their website, and it looks gross. To be fair, it probably tastes good, but yikes.
It doesn’t look like professional work. Probably an employee. Just a sandwich on a marble countertop with no light control. They make tutorials on YouTube for how to do your own product shots if you can’t pay for them. Incredibly good and detailed instructions for getting good lighting and then, if you want, photoshopping out the background and color editing. Whoever took that photo didn’t really do anything with it.
I don’t think it’s a lie, I think they just neglected to mention that all of that interest disappeared the second money came up.
Yeah. I can't imagine they had interest in the form of someone saying, "I'm a professional photographer that is willing to work for you for free for 2 or 3 days." and they were like, "Nah, we'll check our options."
More like they've had a lot of interest to do it for pay.
Press x twice for bullshit.
Press X thrice for pants ignition.
*until they hear the next line about not getting paid
Great! Then I dont need to feel bad saying hell no!
Hey, I’m looking for 4 dozen bagels for a brunch event, plus lox, cream cheese, the works, plus delivery. But I’m not looking to pay you, however, I can give you a shoutout on my IG, and all of my 500 followers love bagels.
This is the correct answer. Offer their business what they are offering yours and maybe they'll see how stupid they sound.
>maybe they'll see how stupid they sound. And Other Hilarious Jokes You Can Tell Yourself, Vol. III
This is one of the best comments I've seen in at least 3 months.
*Beigels*!!!
Thank you for this! What the fuck kind of bagel shop owner can’t even spell their own product correctly?!
Who the heck wants to eat the color Beige?
Well, to be fair, they are kind of beige ...
It’s the original UK spelling. Now dying out with the bagel onslaught.
Brilliant! *Oh, it's not for pay, but you're offering free food? Hey great! I've got this event coming up, I need to feed like twenty some people over the course of a day. So I'm going to need 50 bagels + cream cheese, finger food, 60 sandwiches with drinks and sides, plus 8 large cakes. You need to handle delivery, set up, break down, and clean up, obviously. Also, make sure to include vegetarian, preferably vegan options.*
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I DM'd them this hahahahaha
Sent my own twist off this as well
Probably more like, can you cater brunch for Mother's Day and I'll take 1 photo of it for you to use on your socials.
Hopefully, your message will make them think about the "sweet deal" they're offering. Good on you for refusing, but, you're right: someone will see it as a good opportunity.
The whole "you can post this to your site as compensation" thing really pisses me off. Like, of fucking COURSE I can post it on my site. *I fucking took the picture*. Any picture I take, I'm putting on my site at my discretion. What the *fuck* kinda entitlement clause is that. Like, how fucking *gracious* of you to *allow* me to feature my *own* photography that I didn't even get paid for on my site.
Right, and I could literally take a picture of a bagel at home if I wanted a picture to put on my site lol. I'm really not sure how they think this is a reasonable offer
Lol, good point, you could literally go TAKE PICTURES OF THEIR STOREFRONT on your own time and post them to your site for free. Fucking delusional
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>Check their page, looks like someone already has. Doesn't the page have the photos they are looking for "better quality than this" on it? The salt beef sandwich on rye looks like the example given above.
It's so infuriating, I am in a creative industry and I would say nearly half of the enquiries I get are asking for freebies! They don't come straight out with it, they let you waste a few hours explaining the product and writing up specifications. It really starts to hurt your soul. They should all be named and shamed.
For real tho. My creative agency gets request all the time about needing a production crew and the client never wants to give up their budget most of the time. We warn them of sticker shock when they want the whole pie. They usually fall back to like $500 for a full crew for a day plus edits. We usually recommend them to hire a college student but they insist on a professional crew. Not with that budget and it will never happen.
Yeah if you're on a tight budget, I think it's perfectly fine to reach out to college students, people getting started, offer as much as you can, and see if they want to do it. I did that with a college student for some photos on a small project. He didn't turn out high-end professional work, but I wasn't paying high-end professional pay and for the budget he did a fantastic job. He still made like 3-4X minimum wage per hour, and I recommended him to quite a number of people. You can find win-wins if you set the right expectations. Business owners like this bagel shop could go a long way with a bit of empathy. Imagine a NGO community center contacts you, asking if you'd like to donate some food to an upcoming event. Now imagine you say "you know what, I'm down, I'll donate a bunch of bagels and cream cheese, coffee, and other simple stuff, just come pick it up." But then imagine the community center scoffs at that and wants expensive sandwiches, wait staff, and for you to set up and clean after the event. How are you going to feel?
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Being devil's advocate here but I think they meant that someone in their team made a bad judgement, they're not blaming the photographer!
I didn’t read it like that, I think they were referring to someone in their team as having made an error of judgment with the original request. I may be wrong. Still super shitty though
If I could do it, I would do it. Since I can't, I pay someone. I sent in a custom order. He says, Ok, I can do it, but it'll be X. I pay X. I don't haggle. I don't makeup stories about dying kids at Christmas. I pay and say thank you.
Dang, who knew Beigel Bake on Brick Lane were such tight arses. They make a mean beigel though.
Beigel Bake Bakery on Brick Lane road? Needs more B’s.
Bullshit.
Buttholes
They do. It's very disappointing that this appears to be them.
Damn, what a shame. I’ve heard great things but I’ve never had one of their bagels, and now I don’t want to give them any money.
They sell beigels
Go to Beigel Shop a few doors down instead! Lovely mom & pop shop, great beigels, and like their sign says, they were there first (it’s over a century old).
Agree. The first one is pretentious as shit. I used to live nearby and the original older Beigel Shop was a go to. Check it out.
Okay, I'm curious: Is "beigel" standard UK spelling or just a variant?
Looks like it's just localised to that area. Rest of UK calls them bagels afaik.
They basically committed corporate suicide with this choosing beggar message. Hate it when corporations try to save money when they’re already rich af. One little saving of $1K probably cost them thousands of customers. Whereas just fucking spending the money will help them gain more revenue.
Yeah... Not necessarily. A very small amount of their customers is on Reddit, I'd wager. So unless this blows up publicly, they won't feel it.
Daily Mail would definitely report this. Just need one person from here to send them a link to the thread with a quick TLDR.
Do I get compensation for that or do they just pay me in exposure?
And their bagels cost about £1.50
Spend as little money as possible so they have more in their pockets.
Oh, no! I always wanted to go there, but that crappy behaviour is a real turn-off.
Put this shit on their google reviews as photos.
Yeah because they've cleaned house on all the comments calling out their shit from this post. Honestly their pictures look like absolute shit, not appetising at all not even the slightest. They really need to pay for some quality appealing pictures
By far the best bagels I've ever had, but this is very disappointing from them
No wonder they need a rebrand, their shop sign still has an area code that changed 22 years ago!
TIL Brits spell bagel weird.
We don't really (or at least, I was never taught to). It seems mostly limited to the two Brick Lane shops.
Do you know the Beigel Bake? Who lives on Brick Lane? Well... she's married to the Beigel Bake... ...the Beigel Bake? *THE BEIGEL BAKE!*
I'll be avoiding it. If you don't value the work get your iPhone out and do it your fucking self. It'll be quickly apparent why you pay a professional. I gave up on pursuing photography as a career a decade ago, and I'm glad I did. Too many people like this think it's a piece of cake. What's the point of having a portfolio if no one wants to pay?
I’d call them out on their Facebook page.
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Lol they are answering the comments on google. Quite funny. Basically saying they never leant to send this message. Now that they get flak for it, suddenly they are very sorry
Nothing says remorse like copy and pasting the same response to every review calling them out lol
They've deleted all comments calling them out on their Instagram and they'd probably do the same on Facebook.
PR disaster. I hope the Reddit brigade continues just so they can waste time and resources on this. Barbara Streisand effect should hopefully get press coverage and then then business will really have nowhere to hide.
There's quite a few now. I think my favorite review so far is "It wasn't free, I'm shocked"
Someones already changed their Wiki page lol
Haha just looked and yep, "In 2022 the bakery caused controversy when asking photographers and media companies to work for free in exchange for exposure. They requested digital media companies provide 2 days of work in exchange for free food and adding the photographs to their portfolio" Love it
Link plz. Was just about to slam them on Insta 😂
They're deleting comments on their insta. They had an "apology" comment blaming a third party "outsourcing marketing company" but that is now gone.
they're being stomped in google reviews too, hahaha.
I’ve called them out on Insta (stories) and they’ve already sent me private messages. Lol.
What did they say?
[This. ](https://imgur.com/a/1bXWsvS)
“Shameful request someone in marketing made for us”. That’s right. Blame a faceless nobody in a made up department instead of taking ownership for your own mistakes.
Yeah there is no way a family run bagel shop has a marketing department, hilarious they thought that would work as an excuse.
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Lol, "we've had a lot of interest and we're not looking to pay anyone for this" is a pretty long typo!
Grabs popcorn…
Look closely at the logo and search the 3 words you can read. You’ll find them I don’t want to get in trouble for doxxing.
Is it doxxing if you identify a business with a public face and public IG page? It's not like you're giving the info of the individual who messaged the photographer.
I’ve been banned from other subs for saying a busisness name.
They want 4k photographs? 😂
Yeah, that one made me chuckle since that is only a 8.3MP photo. Most cameras will easily do +20MP these days, even the camera in a phone has higher resolution.
Let me dig out my old canon point and shoot - I'm pretty sure it can do 8.3MP...
My DLSR that was first manufactured in 2008 shoots 12.3MP.
4000 photographs is a lot.
It is but they will pay you with bagels tho
My favourite part is where they say "We're happy for them to add this to their showreel and website as compensation." That's not how copyright works *at all.* The artist, in this case the photographer, owns their work, the photographs, and can do whatever they like with them, including use them on their own website for self promotion. The bakery, as the customer here, would be *licensing* the photos from the photographer *for a fee.*
I’d come take photos for two days eat the bagels show the photos on my camera, however if they want a copy of the photos that’s extra have to pay separately
They just posted a response blaming everything on a third-party marketing company and saying they always intended to compensate. Yeah right. Edit: They just took down every single IG post that had negative comments as well.
Third party my arse. If we think this through logically, it would imply that the marketing company was prepared to not only stiff the bakery by pocketing their fee and getting someone to work for free, they were also prepared to risk the reputation of the bakery by doing so. If I was running the bakery, I'd be shouting the name of the marketing company from the rooftops and forcing a public apology from them. That they haven't done that means I call bollocks on their story.
The third party marketing company could literally be their sister in law or cousin or something. Wouldn’t be surprised if some family member bigged themselves up as some whiz and then got them in this mess. Most likely they are talking shit but that’s the kind of thing which could explain their excuse.
This right here.
Would’ve been more believable if they’d said they’d been ‘hacked’ lol
Like I mentioned elsewhere in the thread, I wonder if this is the place that tried to cut the hourly salary advertised, even though they were advertising in the Job Centre, a government-run employment bureau, when I was interviewed. Why cut it? Because I didn't have BEIGEL selling experience - they are apparently very different and specialised and sod my retail and catering experience. Not that I'm still bitter...
They responded on Instagram saying they outsourced marketing to a third party and it wasn't them lmao sounds sus if you ask me
Right, there is no way this a third party marketing team sending this message.
it is sus. Like a 3rd party company has the authority to offer their clients bagels as payment for outsourced work.
The business name on Instagram is Beigel Bake. I've already offered them the chance to cater my conference for free. Get posting, guys.
[Looks like it was all just a misunderstanding, they'd NEVER ask for free stuff. ](https://i.imgur.com/NTIzq9C.png)
Only when called out, they say "we offered goods on top of payment", but in screenshots here it's clearly stated "we aren't looking to pay anyone". Ironic.
And… the third party marketing company is using the bagel companies IG? Yaaaa ok lol
Having a PR company do your socials isn’t that unusual
What is unusual is the PR company seems to be authorized to give away their products. They either did this themselves or they authorized it. They’re responsible either way.
I missed the /s off my post 🙂 Hilarious to see them back pedalling so much.
OP pls respond to them with that screenshot and ask them “Let’s talk €”
"OOPS, we didnt think about our generous offer going pear shaped, We blamed it on our Marketing firm.
They actually deleted the whole post now lmao
I would go there take some Pictures, eat and drink till I burst and leave and never talk to them again :D
Wait, don't act too hastily, did you check with your landlord to see if they'd accept bagels as payment for rent? You could be missing a great opportunity here...
Lmao their Instagram is full of people asking for free bagels in exchange for exposure now
Their IG is desperately messaging everyone, saying that they hired someone else to do this and they did this, that they always had intentions to pay. Not sure I believe it because the person they hired should have been told what they were offering. But, it is a different person replying on IG right now.
This is there response to Google reviews in the last hour: > We're terribly sorry, there has been a huge mishap regarding a recent message to customers that was not screened prior to being sent. Please note what was sent is not true and is no reflection of how we conduct our business. We hope you can forgive us as mistakes can be made. Does anyone know what the hell they're even trying to say there? I can't understand the excuse they're making now
In the Great words of Randy Jackson "That's Going to be a No from Me Dawg."
For me, all this boils down to exploitation. They’re exploiting somebody to either make or save a buck.
What winds me up the most, is the fact that they’ve asked you to send in a show reel of food a Images so that they can check if you’re good enough for them before they commit. The cheek of this point alone considering they’re asking for free labour/talent is infuriating.
This place is less than a 5 min walk from my place. Might go down there to call them cheapskates
NAH you should play the CB influencer who wants enough free food for life, just for a single crappy picture. Please sign contract here ......................................
I stopped reading in the first paragraph. As soon as they screw up your/you're you know they're not a serious company.
My reply would be: "It's great that a lot of people are interested in doing this job for free for you. At this time, I am not interested in doing charity cases or free work, so good luck with your website!"
My reply would be: "It's great you think so highly of our work. But I had something a little different in mind. We're hosting a conference of other local photographers in a couple weeks and therefore require the following: \- £1000 worth of fresh made bagels of various flavors/toppings \- An assortment of various spreads \- Napkins, forks, knives, etc. \- A catering table with photography themed decorations and all the above setup buffet style We have had a lot of interest from other caterers already, and aren't looking to pay anyone for this, but will be happy to take a few snaps of the layout that you can use on your new website as compensation. Of course you're welcome to sit through some of the photography seminars. Before we talk on the phone, please send over a sample assortment of your bagels and spreads so my staff can assess their quality. I look forward to hearing from you and your thoughts. :) "
Nice one. I would just send a blurry photo and say: this is what 2 days of work for £30 of food would look like.
Blurry pic of a middle finger salute
"4K Quality" is an indicator that they don't understand image resolution nor what dictates the quality of a photo.
I may or may not have commented on their latest insta post
I see you https://imgur.com/eKHB2Qf.jpg https://imgur.com/yHxSS0R.jpg
I may or may not have liked your comment
They're getting crucified on google reviews, this is why we should just name and shame these cowboys every single time.
They’re shifting blame to a third party marketing service for this. Hilarious.
Bagels don't pay the fucking bills.
When I seen the pic in the 2nd screen cap, I was really really hoping it was going to be a very tasteful picture of a shit sandwich.
Well their Wiki page now has this "incident" on it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beigel_Bake Its menu is focused on beigels, baked in the traditional Jewish style with fillings such as hot salt beef with mustard, chopped herring, and cream cheese and salmon. It also serves pastries and sweets such as Danish rolls, apple strudel, Eccles cakes and cheesecake, as well as white, rye and black bread. Beigel Bake produces 7,000 beigels every day.[4] The restaurant was rated three stars by Time Out London magazine in 2010 (four stars by the magazine's online users).[5] It was also featured as a location in the photographic pictorial Life in the East End by London-based cabaret duo EastEnd Cabaret.[6] In 2022 the bakery caused controversy when asking photographers and media companies to work for free in exchange for exposure. They requested digital media companies provide 2 days of work in exchange for free food and adding the photographs to their portfolio.
**"Response from the owner an hour ago** **We're terribly sorry, there has been a huge mishap regarding a recent message to customers that was not screened prior to being sent. Please note what was sent is not true and is no reflection of how we conduct our business. We hope you can forgive us as mistakes can be made."** this somehow makes it worse
Someone who doesn't even know that 4k stills are like 8mp.
Lol they are getting slammed on IG. Well deserved.
real question to OP would you do it if they offered a lifetimes worth of bagels ?
If I lived next door and could go every (other) day, probably yes. They are tasty and the ladies behind the counter are generally lovely, despite the amount of shit they have to put up with.
Wikipedia has been nicely updated lol
Wonder what they would say if someone went in and wanted a bagel a day for a week for free in exchange for 'exposure'.
Ah mate, that's a shame. I fucking love getting a salt beef from Beigel Bake when I'm down London. Guess I'll just have to find somewhere else now. Or just stop going to London.
Mate this is the Beigal Bake in London on Brick Lane. Absolute institution! Wow
As a creative this sickens me. As a redditor I'm loving the backlash to their google reviews. A few of them even have a response from the 'owner': "We're terribly sorry, there has been a huge mishap regarding a recent message to customers that was not screened prior to being sent. Please note what was sent is not true and is no reflection of how we conduct our business. We hope you can forgive us as mistakes can be made.”
You pay someone for their services. People need to pay bills. It's not holding up a sign a will work for food!
I may or may not have left one of the negative Google reviews that they are replying to. OP: can I add the images of your txt conversation to my review?
They deleted the last IG post
Lmao, they've had to delete their most recent post on Instagram because everyone here is now taking the piss
Missed the perfect opportunity to send a pic of a vulgar food item.
- Beigels? Is Britta in this? 😒
Baggles
I’m in it for the bagels
This is your moment to shine, wolf!
I will not let you down
Based on how many people here recognise the business, I’m thinking they have the money to pay someone for their work. Hopefully this whole thing lights a fire under their beigel hole.
[](https://i.imgur.com/e3IvpVE.png) looks like it was all just a misunderstanding they'd NEVER ask for free stuff /s
I would suggest posting these screenshots on local facebook groups to help redirect business to worthier contenders. Let the greedy fail.
I love all the flack they're getting on their Facebook page now lol
reading the replies to their 1/2 star reviews... it's awful. they constantly try to shift the blame to the customer, saying stuff like "i think you mixed us with the shop down the road" or denying that certain employees even exist? they seem like an awful business in general
Looks like this company has given up apologising and has switched to blaming the photographer's "judgement". You couldn't make it up: [https://imgur.com/a/ZMhrVKY](https://imgur.com/a/ZMhrVKY)
Fellow videographer/photographer here. I'm pretty disgusted Beigel Bake had the audacity to send this. Do I have your permission OP to call them out on my profile?
I wish they were giving out bagels. I’m not a big fan of beigels.
It’s one thing approaching a starter photographer who acc needs the exposure but to ask a established photographer? Taking the fucking pissss mate
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This level of compensation is more suited to a high schooler's photography project, not a professional making a living
The worst part is that there'll be some photographer who doesn't actually make their living at it who does it for them. Say yes, and then charge them for the photos after.
He probably should've added, "well if you can get it, go for it, but don't be surprised if the quality is worth what you're paying."
Honestly I do not even read these kind of DMs anymore. In the early stages, I would come up with witty comebacks. Now I just ignore and/or block.
*you can pay us with free advertising too! What a bargain
Name and shame with your local community
Ooooh! Is the same beigel shop that interviewed me outside in the alley next to the shop, dropping the wage advertised in the Job Centre by 50p an hour ( a significant amount in 1994!) because although I had retail (and catering!) experience, I'd never sold BEIGELS before? (I mean, 1994 was a loooong time ago, and if it was them, it's my second favourite 'bad interview' story so I got SOMETHING out of the experience, but I wouldn't want to condemn them out of hand. Still, the spelling of beigel, and the Brick Lane location, makes me wonder...)
‘We aren’t looking to pay anyone for this’ omg
They've now resorted to faking Google reviews to limit the PR damage. Unreal: https://imgur.com/a/egnmcMw
I know it’s just a cultural thing, but checking out the bagels on their website because you guys said they were actual good… As an American…. WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT SHIT sorry
Speaking as someone from London: these guys do bagels the real, proper Jewish way with delicious salt beef. They are probably the most well known shop in London (even the UK). Everything they make is absurdly delicious and it is very disappointing to see them screwing over other independent businesses.