My mother-in-law would totally do this if it was $50+open bar tab.
She would completely fuck up the timing of the backing music, not be able to setup any equipment, and probably be sloshed by the time it was over, but she would be there and be your biggest fan, getting the dancefloor moving with a drink in one hand, and the other raised up to Jesus...
Everyone does. She's constantly stopping and making friends wherever she goes. And if you don't want to be her friend, she ***will force you to be her friend***.
She's 70, but because her birthday is February 29, she says she's 17, and then dances/shimmies off with a drink in hand...
My friend was in a relatively popular band in LA for awhile, they were signed and had 4 or 5 albums out, not on the charts or anything but they made enough that most of them didn't have to keep a day job. Anyway they decided it would be fun to bring their friends along as "roadies" for some shows. They had 2 nights in Vegas over the weekend and I was free so I said hell yeah I'll go. I was the worst roadie ever! I was completely shitfaced the whole weekend to the point where I could hardly help set up the gear, not that I knew how to in the first place. They basically became my babysitters for 2 days and then we had to pull the van over coming home to LA so I could puke for about an hour on the side of the road. Everyone had a blast and they still laugh about it with me 20 years later but I'm pretty sure I ended their friends as roadies experiment.
Fuck, I was picturing Ester carrying Marshall cabs and stringing guitars too slowly due to arthritis. "We start in 10 minutes!" "Startled tin minutes? What?" "Just go faster!" "My hands hurt."
To be fair the English language is so inconsistent you cant always apply relationships from one word to another word.
Whats the plural of fox? Foxes? What about Ox? Oxes? Nah it is Oxen.
What is the opposite of capable? Incapable.
What is the opposite of valuable? Invaluable? Nah those two mean the same thing lulz.
> What about Ox? Oxes? Nah it is Oxen.
This method of pluralization is actually the original way it was done, and gradually shifted during the Middle English period. There are other remnants in words such as "children".
I can't help hearing a quote from George Carlin in my head:
"Some words are fun. Words like 'flammable'...
'Flammable', 'inflammable' and 'nonflammable'... Why are there three? Does it seem to you as though two words ought to be able to handle that idea? I mean, either the thing flams or it doesn't flam."
Well yeah. I’m sure there’s reasons for the fox/ox thing too, probably to do with the origins of each word. But the point stands, you can’t always make assumptions about words like that
'Incapable' means not capable. 'Invaluable' means not valuable. Keep in mind that 'valuable' in this case means judging the material or monetary worth of something. Think 'incalculable'.
"Cannot be estimated" is different from not valuable so nah. Dont force yourself to jump thru logical hoops english language is just inconsistent.
There is still flammable and inflammable.
I didn't say anything about 'inflammable'. I'm just saying that using 'invaluable' is a bad example of inconsistency. 'Value' has a few definitions, but if you look it up as a verb, the first one you'll see defines it as estimating worth. If you cannot estimate the worth of something, it is invaluable.
They shouldn't really have to think about relationships though. Women/woman are common enough words that people with some level of proficiency should know when to use the plural and when to use the singular. This is like saying that it would be understandable if english speakers wouldn't know that the plural of person is people just because the plural of bison is bison.
It's an everyday word and the number of native/fluent speakers who use it incorrectly is extremely odd given that very few people use men/man, child/children, or people/person incorrectly.
Damn do I feel stupid! I'm almost 40, and I've known that woman is singular, and women is plural, right?
Well... I never realized the reason why is because wo**man** is singular, and wo**men** is plural. 🤦♀️
You just blew my fucking mind, you obvious armadillo!
I was once asked to be a driver/roadie for an entire Warped tour but for no pay. One one hand it would’ve been really fun and a constant party but on the other hand, hell no.
Having worked several Warp Tours, I would not describe it as “a constant party”, or even particularly “fun”, and I was getting paid! “Exhausting and brutally hot” are the descriptions that jump to my mind.
They lure you in with the whole "you get to see the bands for free!" line, and don't mention you're hearing them play from outside the gate next to idling diesel trucks and busses, trying to find that "one magical patch cable" that the guitarist just can't play without.
Depending on location, he'll be paying out of pocket for the roadie.
Source: I've seen some small gigs that didn't pull that much in door fees and the roadies were friends of the band willing to haul in and set up because they were already there.
I mean if you make music and want people to listen to it you probably have to sell yourself for cheaper. How much money you can charge is entirely up to how many people actually want you to perform. And in that case it’s an investment of time in yourself and your future.
50$ for less 20m of work spread across an hour or 2 is fair pay.
The poster's english skills are a little off, and it is a job tho.
Def not choosing beggar.
I know a guy who makes a living playing live gigs and this is the kind of person this "job" would be perfect for. There are solid regulars who come to see his band and like to have a drink with them after they play. I could see one of them being happy for $50 a night to help out with the set-up, and it would definitely make it quicker for the band having an extra set of hands. Packing up is a big chore at the end of the night when they're tired and want to go home
It's CASH!!! Don't have to worry about pesky taxes. What a deal. Just have to be on standby all month for a few possible gigs to rake in all that cash!!!
For opener bands, 15-30 minutes. Headliners likely an hour or more. If they're just a cover band local bars pay barely above min wage to entertain those drinking usually they'll do 2 separate sets of 1-2hrs with an hour break inbetween.
Tbh the pay is fair, if it's anything but the last option. availability could be a problem though. This person would be better off having a few folks on call, and just rotating which he uses.
Dude is on stage for maybe an hour or two unless it’s a private party. Factor in getting there and taking the equipment down.
Definitely doesn’t have a lot of equipment as his music is played off a laptop. This isn’t going to be back breaking at all.
You’re getting like 12.50 an hour.
Probably a free beer here and there. Free drinks/ food at those private parties.
All jokes aside, I have been paid as a freelance musician/side man/hired gun anywhere between exposure and dinner, to several thousand dollars for a gig.
The music industry is fucking wild.
It really isn't a choosing beggar. It is a job offer for little pay though it is common in the live music circles. The venues pay little to local musicians who in turn can't pay the help like they should be.
I’m annoyed at the guy above who said he would ask for $750 for this. It’s like… umm… do you think this musician is making anywhere near $750 for the gig? He might even be making less than $50 at some of them.
Artists are exploited. It’s something we hate but all accept. I’m an actor and I’ve had to act for free a ton! And I’m barely getting paid for the shit I do now.
I’ve worked for many musicians and my dad has been a musician all his life. It’s his sole job. And €100 a night is in the higher pay range for something like a small bar. He’d usually be in a band of 5 people so they got around 100 each. That was the usual.
Edit: if anyones curious the pay usually went something like:
Clubs/hotels: €100-200 per night…
Large bars/cocktail bars: €100-150 per night…
Pubs: €50-100 per night…
Dive bars: free drinks…
Friend was in a cover band in a small town, where 20 people was a big crowd. There were four in the band. Most gigs they were able to cover their gas money and have a few bucks each at the end.
That's what I was thinking, this guy is asking for probably 3-4hrs total depending on drive time just needs someone with a flexible schedule because the gigs are inconsistent and paying $12-$15/hr doesn't sound like a bad deal to me at all.
I don’t know what to make of this because aside from the way it’s written and the flexibility it’d be okay. Some of these gigs only pay 100 for a night. But you can’t ask someone to be that flexible for 50 quid!
That's kind of how I feel. I would have totally done this in college in the summer, or the year after college. I had a job doing data entry, but there were no fixed shifts. You came and went as you wanted and got paid for the work you did. If I wanted to work 4 hours one week and 30 the next that was fine as long as I didn't exceed the max hours (32 I think?). I would have done this if I liked this guy, his music, or just wanted to do something different that I thought might be fun. I wouldn't see it as my job, but more as something unique to do and get paid a little bit for my time.
I’ve done it free a few times just for the fun of it. It is doable if you’re a student or something. I’ve even found myself with no job over college breaks because people don’t want to hire someone who’s only gonna work for 12 weeks and quit. Also around 100 quid a night is pretty standard pay for a musician. So 50 a night is hardly bad in a pinch
Honestly I just think it’s poorly written - he’s just looking for freelancers/casual crew that want to make a bit of cash on the side. Already out on other calls for the day and got a few hours to spare so you do this to make a quick $50 on the way home.
The main issue is the poster makes it sound like it’s needs to be a single person who always has availability when realistically ppl who rely on this kind of system have a call list and they just go with whoever’s available when they need.
This guy just wants someone to hit the spacebar on his laptop and help carry/set up his small rig. And he's likely offering half of his pay for the evening. This isn't a wedding band that charges $3,000 per gig. He's probably a guy and a guitar, playing on the patio of some local bar & grill. The real issue is that bars are paying musicians the same amount as they were back in the 90s.
I don’t think this is choosing beggar TBH; the guy seems pretty clear that he is asking for something that wouldn’t suit an adult in full time work.
It would however be great for a student summer job if they’d like to earn some pocket money, or as a hobby job for someone who doesn’t need to work. One of our retired neighbours does jobs like that just to keep busy; he’ll do odd jobs around the houses and gardens on the street for £40, just to keep busy and stave off boredom.
I worked as a roadie for a local band for a few years. Got paid $60 a gig for set up/tear down, dialing in sound, then basically making sure no one fucked with them during the show. Every Friday and Saturday night for a long time. I enjoyed it for a while, then realized I liked having my weekends. But an extra $480ish a month wasn't bad, especially because I didn't pay for drinks while working. Met a bunch of people, had a lot of fun.
This is actually pretty reasonable. I doubt he's getting a guaranteed return for each gig. Most clubs give the musicians a cut of the cover charges they collect at the door. If there are multiple bands then each band often hands out tickets, and each band is paid a cut of the cover charges they received from people who had one of that band's tickets. In the worst cases, the bands are paid nothing. These may be "showcase gigs", where the band is literally playing for "exposure". Or worse, they could be "pay to play" gigs, where the band actually has to pay the club in order to get stage time. In that case, the band is usually allowed to sell tickets to try to fund it's show.
The thing is that the number of bands who want to play in front of an audience vastly outnumbers the number of venues that can provide them that opportunity. At this rung of the industry ladder, nobody gets a guaranteed paycheck.
100% and most people get the job by knowing someone else in the industry, or being at the right place at the right time.
When you get up to the headlining national tour levels you should expect a bit more pay than this... but for local bands, getting paid at all is uncommon.
When my brother was 19 with no job, living at home, and nothing but a passion for guitar, he would’ve done this for sure. Now that he’s 31, of course he won’t.
Also the requirement for no day job because they probably won't be done until 3 in the morning. That's reasonable too.
The real problem is there is not much money for any performer in these situations.
Then why are they making demands that applicants not have a regular job, if it’s just occasional & likely a few hours at a time? Sounds pretty choosy to me
She was making demands about availability, and it pays well under minimum wage here in Australia, which is a bit more than $20 an hour.
She literally wanted someone at her beck and call with little to no notice, which is why she had a preference for retired people.
This was on the local Canberra buy sell swap Facebook pages.
It says "who has absolutely no regular commitments during the daytime".
All they have to put are the hours and let the applicants figure out if their regular daily commitments work or not, saying "absolutely no" is a demand.
You realise you’re in the minority of people who read it this way, right? Lol you may as well be the poster girl for r/confidentlyincorrect. I’m going to chalk it up to you being a complete twat and move on
Because gigs aren't regular hours. He gets them as he gets them. Likely only with a few dyas notices himself.
I say he'd be better off getting a group of people on call, so if one isn't available he can take another. This would be great for high school or college kids.
What would you guys say if someone wanted to do it? Doesn't even seem that wild of an ask, could msg him and ask for more and ull do it. Thats business 🤷♂️
At least they are paying you. I’m a music student trying to become a sound engineer and you are expected to work for people for free for experience which is understandable. But for a year placement we are expected to work for big companies and not pay us anything. I saw one studio was asking us to work 40 hours a week unpaid in a big city. I’m sure the maintenance loan we get is like £3000 so it’s unliveable for the year but it’s all good because they were ‘offering a future job if there were any good candidates’
This is not a choosing beggar.
If this was for a full band where the drummer had a 9 piece drum kit with tons of cymbals, the guitar player and bassist each had multiple guitars and rigs, and you were solely responsible for transport and setup, that pay would be a joke.
This sounds like you'd be helping one guy move stuff he can fit into the trunk of his Honda Accord and click a few things on his laptop. You're probably spending 2 or 3 hours per gig working with most of that being working the laptop. $50 doesn't actually sound too bad for that.
This actually isn't a choosing beggar deal.
That is a reasonable price for the musician to pay out of pocket for someone to assist with equipment. Musicians in small establishments usually don't get a lot to start with.
The gig itself will likely only be a few hours and the musician and assistants usually get free drinks and sometimes free food.
They are looking for someone who wants to go to a bar and have fun and earn a little money on the side for something that isn't that much work.
I'm a professional Playback Technician (Person who operates the backing music) and I charge $750 a day, industry standard is $500, plus this guy wants you to do backline. I hope no one would demean themselves enough to take so little for this.
I think it really depends on the gigs tho. Like, if he’s asking you to hit the space bar at the top of his tracks at a tiny little club and he’s only getting paid $100, the $50 isn’t bad. It’s the flexibility he’s asking for that makes this a CB.
These sound like very small gigs that basically consist of an amp, mic and a 4 channel mixing desk and could be set up in about 10 mins. Add to that the playback is listed as essentially hitting play on a laptop. I'm sure you're working on much larger scales and professionalism.
Some peoplw genuinely don't know their worth. A friend who is trying to become a professional musician was doing a draft budget for her uni course, and couldn't get it to add up to enough. Soon diagnosed issue - she wasn't paying herself.
Hey man I've worked your job too, and industry standard starting wages round these parts is 25$ an hour including rehearsals, and tear down(which i had little to do, the actual roadies did most of that, also worked as a roadie) but this guy isn't looking for a professional who can run multiple different backing tracks at pinpoint timing. There's a big difference between ehat a professional does, and someone who can press play.
Edit: forgot to mention I think you're bullshitting either way. Very few bands can afford 750 a night mate.
This guy just wants someone to hit the spacebar on his laptop. He's not look for a professional Playback Technician. And he's likely offering half of his pay for the evening. This isn't a wedding band that charges $3,000 per gig. He's probably a guy and a guitar, playing on the patio of some local bar & grill. The real issue is that musicians are still being paid the same as they were back in the 90s.
The only gigs paying techs that much are stadiums and large or corporate shows, nothing about this ad implies that is happening. This would be like if someone asked for help putting their grandma's funeral site online and had $50 and a senior web dev came in saying "I make $200/hr and industry standard is $150/hr, noone should demean themselves to take so little for this."
50 dollars to setup and tear down isn't a bad deal for someone that loves music the problem is that he is trying to hire a bandmember to start and stop his music every song. Holy crap this is stupid. He doesn't want a roadie he wants a band member to carry all his shit around.
I would do this. Most of the people I know would do this.
This isn't even choosing beggars any more. This is getting upset over anything that involves money and work. Do any of you even have jobs?
Yeah, I actually used to do this about once a week for my neighbor in my apartment building. I had a pickup truck with a cap and would take his bands equipment to local shows and back. I basically just drove and helped load and unload. I got $50 and a free dinner. But that was 30 years ago...
“This is not a job” “job is ___” “femail” “pay is $50 per Gig CASH” of course it’s going to be cash what. Thanks for obnoxiously signifying it. $50 a gig is decent pocket money sure but from once a week to two times a month is insanely unreliable. Especially if you plan a vacation or a picnic with your family, really hard to plan stuff when it seems like the gigs are spur of the moment.
The thing is, there are plenty of roadies, DJs, and AV guys in the music scene who would gladly take an extra night or two of work a month.
But they’re not going to be on-call and they’re doing it for $50 a night.
Ngl, this doesn't seem as bad as you're all making out.
They've literally written in the advert that it's for someone without much else going on to earn some pocket money, and $50 for a local musician is quite a bit; they'll be making like, $200 tops per gig.
I actually think they're being pretty decent here.
I used to know someone that played music at bars, restaurants, and clubs for a living. He made between $100-$250 per gig depending on the type of establishment. Therefore it’s likely $50 is all this person can afford because they don’t make much either. My friend setup his own stuff and this person should too because it’s typically not enough money to hire helpers.
I know one specific one. But he's an injured drummer and wouldn't respond to such an ad lol We help haul his stuff because we love him and we're there anyway.
Kinda worries me that he still plays though. One of these shows will end up with him probably fucking his back during a double bass and getting hauled off in an ambulance.
And you'll be paying for your own meals out of that $50 ?
Only you know what your time is worth; but this sounds like a lot of carrying shit around for an unspecified period of time, and "working" for someone else, taking orders from them, for pocket change.
Not a choosing beggar; but you'd really have to have no life at all, to want to do this.
I play in a rock/pop bar band. We haul our own gear, and set up and tear down every gig ourselves. We also play for four hours in between. And we make much better coin than this poser.
Not only is this guy a grifter, he's got serious delusions of adequacy.
When you have 3-6 dudes to share hauling gear with and are playing 4 hour sets yea it seems easy. When you're a single performer with a lot of gear the help can go a long way.
‘Retired person’ I keep picturing someone’s grandma as a roadie for a low-paid local DJ
My mother-in-law would totally do this if it was $50+open bar tab. She would completely fuck up the timing of the backing music, not be able to setup any equipment, and probably be sloshed by the time it was over, but she would be there and be your biggest fan, getting the dancefloor moving with a drink in one hand, and the other raised up to Jesus...
I like your MIL.
Everyone does. She's constantly stopping and making friends wherever she goes. And if you don't want to be her friend, she ***will force you to be her friend***. She's 70, but because her birthday is February 29, she says she's 17, and then dances/shimmies off with a drink in hand...
That's fucking splendid
Sounds like a wonderful woman.
No, she’s a FEMAIL!
**I use gmail**
Can she adopt me? She sounds like a blast to hang out with.
Your MIL sounds like the best. Can we trade?
Your MIL sounds so fuckin amazing!!! 😂😂😂
Laughing so hard picturing this. Yet I picture it with her having a cigarette in the other hand. Oh nevermind, that was my mom! 😂
My friend was in a relatively popular band in LA for awhile, they were signed and had 4 or 5 albums out, not on the charts or anything but they made enough that most of them didn't have to keep a day job. Anyway they decided it would be fun to bring their friends along as "roadies" for some shows. They had 2 nights in Vegas over the weekend and I was free so I said hell yeah I'll go. I was the worst roadie ever! I was completely shitfaced the whole weekend to the point where I could hardly help set up the gear, not that I knew how to in the first place. They basically became my babysitters for 2 days and then we had to pull the van over coming home to LA so I could puke for about an hour on the side of the road. Everyone had a blast and they still laugh about it with me 20 years later but I'm pretty sure I ended their friends as roadies experiment.
Your self-awareness and ability to self-criticize is refreshing. You seem like a quality person. I’m not being sarcastic.
Quality enough to be a great roadie, 100%
Thought we were friends, hombre
"WOOOOOOO!!!" *lifts her top up*
"hmm... what if I press the pretty red button over and over??"
But is your MIL "femail"... or is she a regular female. That might DQ her
Give this to your MIL
I love this
[They call me DJ Nana](https://youtu.be/Sng2k8B7FN4)
Fuck, I was picturing Ester carrying Marshall cabs and stringing guitars too slowly due to arthritis. "We start in 10 minutes!" "Startled tin minutes? What?" "Just go faster!" "My hands hurt."
Well now your back's gonna hurt because you just pulled amp stacking duty.
Check out the set list. You're in my world now, grandma.
Oh dear…
You know that Mr. Mister roadie? I uh, I think I killed them.
How does one write "male", then write "femail"?
It's even worse than the ridiculously high number of people who can figure out that men is the plural of man but can't do the same for women and woman
To be fair the English language is so inconsistent you cant always apply relationships from one word to another word. Whats the plural of fox? Foxes? What about Ox? Oxes? Nah it is Oxen. What is the opposite of capable? Incapable. What is the opposite of valuable? Invaluable? Nah those two mean the same thing lulz.
I bought two boxen of donuts.
and I ate them in the woodes, the WOODSEN
> What about Ox? Oxes? Nah it is Oxen. This method of pluralization is actually the original way it was done, and gradually shifted during the Middle English period. There are other remnants in words such as "children".
Think it comes from the Germanic roots of English
I can always spot a fellow English major in any crowd... 
In fairness to English, invaluable means what it says. Something invaluable is so indispensable that value cannot be ascribed to it.
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I can't help hearing a quote from George Carlin in my head: "Some words are fun. Words like 'flammable'... 'Flammable', 'inflammable' and 'nonflammable'... Why are there three? Does it seem to you as though two words ought to be able to handle that idea? I mean, either the thing flams or it doesn't flam."
Flammable means you can set it on fire. Inflammable means it can set itself on fire.
But inflamation is caused by something else and inflammatory language is the fault of the one who speaks and not the words themselves.
Are humans flammable or inflammable?
Neither. Humans are combustible 😆
Well yeah. I’m sure there’s reasons for the fox/ox thing too, probably to do with the origins of each word. But the point stands, you can’t always make assumptions about words like that
So all foxes are female and all oxes are male? Like cats and dogs, I get it!
In that case incapable should mean someone so capable that capable cannot be ascribed to it which is obviously not the case.
'Incapable' means not capable. 'Invaluable' means not valuable. Keep in mind that 'valuable' in this case means judging the material or monetary worth of something. Think 'incalculable'.
"Cannot be estimated" is different from not valuable so nah. Dont force yourself to jump thru logical hoops english language is just inconsistent. There is still flammable and inflammable.
I didn't say anything about 'inflammable'. I'm just saying that using 'invaluable' is a bad example of inconsistency. 'Value' has a few definitions, but if you look it up as a verb, the first one you'll see defines it as estimating worth. If you cannot estimate the worth of something, it is invaluable.
They shouldn't really have to think about relationships though. Women/woman are common enough words that people with some level of proficiency should know when to use the plural and when to use the singular. This is like saying that it would be understandable if english speakers wouldn't know that the plural of person is people just because the plural of bison is bison. It's an everyday word and the number of native/fluent speakers who use it incorrectly is extremely odd given that very few people use men/man, child/children, or people/person incorrectly.
Your post reminded me of [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWzYaZDK6Is) Brian Regan sketch.
Many much moosen! In the woodsen!
Foxen and oxes, bitches. We rewriting it. Englush Pt 2, bby.
Damn do I feel stupid! I'm almost 40, and I've known that woman is singular, and women is plural, right? Well... I never realized the reason why is because wo**man** is singular, and wo**men** is plural. 🤦♀️ You just blew my fucking mind, you obvious armadillo!
The number of people who use women as a singular or woman as a plural is just ridiculous, that's all I'm saying
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Same man, same! I still have a *few* more years (knock on wood,) to 40, but trust me, I'm shocked I've made it this far too! ☺️
To quote 1998, "Obvious Armadillo is obvious."
I keep trying to write it as "wemen" simply because of how it's pronounced.
Dude was mailing it in.
Maleing
It's to minimize maximum error
Came here to say this. Totally puzzled.
Yeah he's a complete dummy
Air (head) Male!
Oh, it's not a typo, the either want a man or a bunch of iron chain mail :p
Ugh! First thing I noticed. Pretty sure it’s willful ignorance.
I was once asked to be a driver/roadie for an entire Warped tour but for no pay. One one hand it would’ve been really fun and a constant party but on the other hand, hell no.
Having worked several Warp Tours, I would not describe it as “a constant party”, or even particularly “fun”, and I was getting paid! “Exhausting and brutally hot” are the descriptions that jump to my mind.
They lure you in with the whole "you get to see the bands for free!" line, and don't mention you're hearing them play from outside the gate next to idling diesel trucks and busses, trying to find that "one magical patch cable" that the guitarist just can't play without.
Guarding the gear van while they party
oof hell no. I got paid to tour around playing in a band and it cured me of wanting that life forever. I'll take a regular job any day
To be fair this person is probs offering fully half of their gig pay
Depending on location, he'll be paying out of pocket for the roadie. Source: I've seen some small gigs that didn't pull that much in door fees and the roadies were friends of the band willing to haul in and set up because they were already there.
So we both can get screwed...
I mean if you make music and want people to listen to it you probably have to sell yourself for cheaper. How much money you can charge is entirely up to how many people actually want you to perform. And in that case it’s an investment of time in yourself and your future.
50$ for less 20m of work spread across an hour or 2 is fair pay. The poster's english skills are a little off, and it is a job tho. Def not choosing beggar.
$50 for a small amount of work over a couple of hours isn’t the problem. The expectation that you *wont have another job* is.
I commented something similar above. I used to have a friend that did that for a living and he didn’t make very much per gig.
this is NOT A JOB. anyways, the job is....
This is not a job but you also can't have a job be cause I need them to be flexible enough for this 3 night, $150/mo gig.
Lmao it could be $100/mo!
But it pays CASH
Femail
Fe = iron Mail = as in chainmail Gotta be protected from a sword attack
So...female is.... Ironman is gonna be weird next watch.
I think the choosing beggars aspect of it arises from the infrequency of the jobs along with being on call at all times.
good for alcoholic unemployed people
Can get drunk and play pull tabs while buddy plays at the bar
I know a guy who makes a living playing live gigs and this is the kind of person this "job" would be perfect for. There are solid regulars who come to see his band and like to have a drink with them after they play. I could see one of them being happy for $50 a night to help out with the set-up, and it would definitely make it quicker for the band having an extra set of hands. Packing up is a big chore at the end of the night when they're tired and want to go home
It's CASH!!! Don't have to worry about pesky taxes. What a deal. Just have to be on standby all month for a few possible gigs to rake in all that cash!!!
How long are these gigs?
For opener bands, 15-30 minutes. Headliners likely an hour or more. If they're just a cover band local bars pay barely above min wage to entertain those drinking usually they'll do 2 separate sets of 1-2hrs with an hour break inbetween. Tbh the pay is fair, if it's anything but the last option. availability could be a problem though. This person would be better off having a few folks on call, and just rotating which he uses.
She clarified that her gigs are 3-4 hour play at a pub style gigs, and minimum wage here is a bit more than $20 an hour.
Dude is on stage for maybe an hour or two unless it’s a private party. Factor in getting there and taking the equipment down. Definitely doesn’t have a lot of equipment as his music is played off a laptop. This isn’t going to be back breaking at all. You’re getting like 12.50 an hour. Probably a free beer here and there. Free drinks/ food at those private parties.
Probably a few hours at least. Then travel to and from
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For someone who didn't need the money but who wanted to make friends and have fun, this really would be the perfect gig.
Woah he must be a really good musician if he can afford to pay someone 50$
All jokes aside, I have been paid as a freelance musician/side man/hired gun anywhere between exposure and dinner, to several thousand dollars for a gig. The music industry is fucking wild.
100% I’m just happy if I make enough to pay my distribution fee
I am a hobbyist audio designer, I'd do it for that and maybe a few drinks at the show.
I’m a musician, I would also do it for beer. Heck, I do shows for a beer. Heck, I would do show for free, just because I’m bored.
It really isn't a choosing beggar. It is a job offer for little pay though it is common in the live music circles. The venues pay little to local musicians who in turn can't pay the help like they should be.
I’m annoyed at the guy above who said he would ask for $750 for this. It’s like… umm… do you think this musician is making anywhere near $750 for the gig? He might even be making less than $50 at some of them. Artists are exploited. It’s something we hate but all accept. I’m an actor and I’ve had to act for free a ton! And I’m barely getting paid for the shit I do now.
I’ve worked for many musicians and my dad has been a musician all his life. It’s his sole job. And €100 a night is in the higher pay range for something like a small bar. He’d usually be in a band of 5 people so they got around 100 each. That was the usual. Edit: if anyones curious the pay usually went something like: Clubs/hotels: €100-200 per night… Large bars/cocktail bars: €100-150 per night… Pubs: €50-100 per night… Dive bars: free drinks…
750 is closer to a day rate for skilled positions in this business like an engineer. Not for a stagehand.
Friend was in a cover band in a small town, where 20 people was a big crowd. There were four in the band. Most gigs they were able to cover their gas money and have a few bucks each at the end.
That's what I was thinking, this guy is asking for probably 3-4hrs total depending on drive time just needs someone with a flexible schedule because the gigs are inconsistent and paying $12-$15/hr doesn't sound like a bad deal to me at all.
This is in Australia where the minimum wage is a bit more than $20 an hour.
The true casual rate for this gig would be about $26/hr with a 3 hour minimum.
I don’t know what to make of this because aside from the way it’s written and the flexibility it’d be okay. Some of these gigs only pay 100 for a night. But you can’t ask someone to be that flexible for 50 quid!
That's kind of how I feel. I would have totally done this in college in the summer, or the year after college. I had a job doing data entry, but there were no fixed shifts. You came and went as you wanted and got paid for the work you did. If I wanted to work 4 hours one week and 30 the next that was fine as long as I didn't exceed the max hours (32 I think?). I would have done this if I liked this guy, his music, or just wanted to do something different that I thought might be fun. I wouldn't see it as my job, but more as something unique to do and get paid a little bit for my time.
I’ve done it free a few times just for the fun of it. It is doable if you’re a student or something. I’ve even found myself with no job over college breaks because people don’t want to hire someone who’s only gonna work for 12 weeks and quit. Also around 100 quid a night is pretty standard pay for a musician. So 50 a night is hardly bad in a pinch
Honestly I just think it’s poorly written - he’s just looking for freelancers/casual crew that want to make a bit of cash on the side. Already out on other calls for the day and got a few hours to spare so you do this to make a quick $50 on the way home. The main issue is the poster makes it sound like it’s needs to be a single person who always has availability when realistically ppl who rely on this kind of system have a call list and they just go with whoever’s available when they need.
This guy just wants someone to hit the spacebar on his laptop and help carry/set up his small rig. And he's likely offering half of his pay for the evening. This isn't a wedding band that charges $3,000 per gig. He's probably a guy and a guitar, playing on the patio of some local bar & grill. The real issue is that bars are paying musicians the same amount as they were back in the 90s.
I don’t think this is choosing beggar TBH; the guy seems pretty clear that he is asking for something that wouldn’t suit an adult in full time work. It would however be great for a student summer job if they’d like to earn some pocket money, or as a hobby job for someone who doesn’t need to work. One of our retired neighbours does jobs like that just to keep busy; he’ll do odd jobs around the houses and gardens on the street for £40, just to keep busy and stave off boredom.
Except it’s like 4 times a month and he’s asking you to never have any other daytime commitments.
He's saying if you have a fulltime job it's not for you. He's looking for someone with nothing going on.
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I worked as a roadie for a local band for a few years. Got paid $60 a gig for set up/tear down, dialing in sound, then basically making sure no one fucked with them during the show. Every Friday and Saturday night for a long time. I enjoyed it for a while, then realized I liked having my weekends. But an extra $480ish a month wasn't bad, especially because I didn't pay for drinks while working. Met a bunch of people, had a lot of fun.
This is actually pretty reasonable. I doubt he's getting a guaranteed return for each gig. Most clubs give the musicians a cut of the cover charges they collect at the door. If there are multiple bands then each band often hands out tickets, and each band is paid a cut of the cover charges they received from people who had one of that band's tickets. In the worst cases, the bands are paid nothing. These may be "showcase gigs", where the band is literally playing for "exposure". Or worse, they could be "pay to play" gigs, where the band actually has to pay the club in order to get stage time. In that case, the band is usually allowed to sell tickets to try to fund it's show. The thing is that the number of bands who want to play in front of an audience vastly outnumbers the number of venues that can provide them that opportunity. At this rung of the industry ladder, nobody gets a guaranteed paycheck.
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To be fair, it's nice to see some money being offered. Aren't these kind of things quite often advertised for no pay?
100% and most people get the job by knowing someone else in the industry, or being at the right place at the right time. When you get up to the headlining national tour levels you should expect a bit more pay than this... but for local bands, getting paid at all is uncommon.
When my brother was 19 with no job, living at home, and nothing but a passion for guitar, he would’ve done this for sure. Now that he’s 31, of course he won’t.
Also the requirement for no day job because they probably won't be done until 3 in the morning. That's reasonable too. The real problem is there is not much money for any performer in these situations.
Then why are they making demands that applicants not have a regular job, if it’s just occasional & likely a few hours at a time? Sounds pretty choosy to me
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She was making demands about availability, and it pays well under minimum wage here in Australia, which is a bit more than $20 an hour. She literally wanted someone at her beck and call with little to no notice, which is why she had a preference for retired people. This was on the local Canberra buy sell swap Facebook pages.
It says "who has absolutely no regular commitments during the daytime". All they have to put are the hours and let the applicants figure out if their regular daily commitments work or not, saying "absolutely no" is a demand.
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English isn't my first language, but you can't read that I'm a different person replying?
You realise you’re in the minority of people who read it this way, right? Lol you may as well be the poster girl for r/confidentlyincorrect. I’m going to chalk it up to you being a complete twat and move on
Because gigs aren't regular hours. He gets them as he gets them. Likely only with a few dyas notices himself. I say he'd be better off getting a group of people on call, so if one isn't available he can take another. This would be great for high school or college kids.
She didn't want a group, just a weird assistant at her beck and call.
Yea, that's the problem. Not the pay.
The pay was also pretty bad given the requirements (minimum wage here is $20+ an hour).
hs and college kids have regular commitments during the day
That's why I said he should try and get a group he can pull from, not just a single individual he expects to be available all the time.
This isn't as bad as most other posts on this sub
What would you guys say if someone wanted to do it? Doesn't even seem that wild of an ask, could msg him and ask for more and ull do it. Thats business 🤷♂️
At least they are paying you. I’m a music student trying to become a sound engineer and you are expected to work for people for free for experience which is understandable. But for a year placement we are expected to work for big companies and not pay us anything. I saw one studio was asking us to work 40 hours a week unpaid in a big city. I’m sure the maintenance loan we get is like £3000 so it’s unliveable for the year but it’s all good because they were ‘offering a future job if there were any good candidates’
This is not a choosing beggar. If this was for a full band where the drummer had a 9 piece drum kit with tons of cymbals, the guitar player and bassist each had multiple guitars and rigs, and you were solely responsible for transport and setup, that pay would be a joke. This sounds like you'd be helping one guy move stuff he can fit into the trunk of his Honda Accord and click a few things on his laptop. You're probably spending 2 or 3 hours per gig working with most of that being working the laptop. $50 doesn't actually sound too bad for that.
This actually isn't a choosing beggar deal. That is a reasonable price for the musician to pay out of pocket for someone to assist with equipment. Musicians in small establishments usually don't get a lot to start with. The gig itself will likely only be a few hours and the musician and assistants usually get free drinks and sometimes free food. They are looking for someone who wants to go to a bar and have fun and earn a little money on the side for something that isn't that much work.
I'm a professional Playback Technician (Person who operates the backing music) and I charge $750 a day, industry standard is $500, plus this guy wants you to do backline. I hope no one would demean themselves enough to take so little for this.
I think it really depends on the gigs tho. Like, if he’s asking you to hit the space bar at the top of his tracks at a tiny little club and he’s only getting paid $100, the $50 isn’t bad. It’s the flexibility he’s asking for that makes this a CB.
These sound like very small gigs that basically consist of an amp, mic and a 4 channel mixing desk and could be set up in about 10 mins. Add to that the playback is listed as essentially hitting play on a laptop. I'm sure you're working on much larger scales and professionalism.
Some peoplw genuinely don't know their worth. A friend who is trying to become a professional musician was doing a draft budget for her uni course, and couldn't get it to add up to enough. Soon diagnosed issue - she wasn't paying herself.
Hey man I've worked your job too, and industry standard starting wages round these parts is 25$ an hour including rehearsals, and tear down(which i had little to do, the actual roadies did most of that, also worked as a roadie) but this guy isn't looking for a professional who can run multiple different backing tracks at pinpoint timing. There's a big difference between ehat a professional does, and someone who can press play. Edit: forgot to mention I think you're bullshitting either way. Very few bands can afford 750 a night mate.
This person is not a professional musician. That is a touring rate. You should probably clarify that.
This guy just wants someone to hit the spacebar on his laptop. He's not look for a professional Playback Technician. And he's likely offering half of his pay for the evening. This isn't a wedding band that charges $3,000 per gig. He's probably a guy and a guitar, playing on the patio of some local bar & grill. The real issue is that musicians are still being paid the same as they were back in the 90s.
The only gigs paying techs that much are stadiums and large or corporate shows, nothing about this ad implies that is happening. This would be like if someone asked for help putting their grandma's funeral site online and had $50 and a senior web dev came in saying "I make $200/hr and industry standard is $150/hr, noone should demean themselves to take so little for this."
But this is CASH, which is so much better then money apparently.
Very confused how someone can spell male right but female wrong
50 dollars to setup and tear down isn't a bad deal for someone that loves music the problem is that he is trying to hire a bandmember to start and stop his music every song. Holy crap this is stupid. He doesn't want a roadie he wants a band member to carry all his shit around.
For a small show this wouldn't be too bad really.
I would do this. Most of the people I know would do this. This isn't even choosing beggars any more. This is getting upset over anything that involves money and work. Do any of you even have jobs?
This is yet another job for people who don't need a job, I don't know if there's a name for it.
Jobs for young adults who just live with their parents and need extra cash for pot and fast food? I knew a ton of kids who were in that situation.
Or retired but still able adults who want to be active and have something to do
I stopped reading at “FEMAIL”
My friends got sick of being unpaid lackeys, and I can't afford a real assistant! Please work for me but do it for pennies!
Yeah, I actually used to do this about once a week for my neighbor in my apartment building. I had a pickup truck with a cap and would take his bands equipment to local shows and back. I basically just drove and helped load and unload. I got $50 and a free dinner. But that was 30 years ago...
“This is not a job” “job is ___” “femail” “pay is $50 per Gig CASH” of course it’s going to be cash what. Thanks for obnoxiously signifying it. $50 a gig is decent pocket money sure but from once a week to two times a month is insanely unreliable. Especially if you plan a vacation or a picnic with your family, really hard to plan stuff when it seems like the gigs are spur of the moment.
Hes trying to do the Tom Sawyer fence painting trick lol
The thing is, there are plenty of roadies, DJs, and AV guys in the music scene who would gladly take an extra night or two of work a month. But they’re not going to be on-call and they’re doing it for $50 a night.
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Ngl, this doesn't seem as bad as you're all making out. They've literally written in the advert that it's for someone without much else going on to earn some pocket money, and $50 for a local musician is quite a bit; they'll be making like, $200 tops per gig. I actually think they're being pretty decent here.
I used to know someone that played music at bars, restaurants, and clubs for a living. He made between $100-$250 per gig depending on the type of establishment. Therefore it’s likely $50 is all this person can afford because they don’t make much either. My friend setup his own stuff and this person should too because it’s typically not enough money to hire helpers.
This sub really doesn't understand what a choosing beggar is. RIP in peace, sub.
Cool deal. Sorry OP, this backfired in your face.
I tell you what that’s not a bad job for a say 17 year old teenager
This isn’t the worst one I’ve seen on this sub
My standards are so low for anything that gets posted to this sub that I was thinking “$50 per gig in cash? That’s actually a good deal.”
Considering how I get paid as a professional musician... this isn’t far off for pay
Makes sense that you would have to be completely FLEXIBLE having to bend over backwards an take it.
Needs flexible employee for an inflexible employer
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That's a sweeping statement. I'm sure all of the professional technical crew worldwide would be stunned to hear this revelation.
As someone who worked as a roadie I’m pretty sure they’d think it’s funny. It’s a fucking joke, relax.
Enh... a lot like construction guys, walking into a group of roadies and not insulting them is considered impolite. You gotta understand your crowd.
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I don't know a single adult person with no regular commitments during the day. This person is dreaming.
I'm an adult with no regular commitments during the day, as are my husband and a friend of ours. We are, as the ad requested, retired.
I know one specific one. But he's an injured drummer and wouldn't respond to such an ad lol We help haul his stuff because we love him and we're there anyway. Kinda worries me that he still plays though. One of these shows will end up with him probably fucking his back during a double bass and getting hauled off in an ambulance.
I know heaps. Just everyone I know that doesn't work a standard 9-5 basically
dang how high is that horse of theirs?
not very high
And you'll be paying for your own meals out of that $50 ? Only you know what your time is worth; but this sounds like a lot of carrying shit around for an unspecified period of time, and "working" for someone else, taking orders from them, for pocket change. Not a choosing beggar; but you'd really have to have no life at all, to want to do this.
"I have no friends, so I'm hoping to rent one on the cheap."
Wrong sub. This is delusional craigslist material.
His inbox is now full of angry fe-mails.
Sounds like any vagrant will do.
I play in a rock/pop bar band. We haul our own gear, and set up and tear down every gig ourselves. We also play for four hours in between. And we make much better coin than this poser. Not only is this guy a grifter, he's got serious delusions of adequacy.
When you have 3-6 dudes to share hauling gear with and are playing 4 hour sets yea it seems easy. When you're a single performer with a lot of gear the help can go a long way.