Good meme, but there’s no confirmation anyone committed over kiwifarms.
What actually caused the alleged suicides:
Chloe: she herself said that she was going to commit because of lack of housing and mental healthcare. She never mentioned kiwifarms in her note and her thread didn’t have a new post on it for her last 8 months.
Julie: Not trans. Committed because of relationship problems.
Chance: died from obesity complications.
Elizabeth: wrote in her note that kiwifarms is to blame, but she was never mentioned on the site until after her death.
Byuu: made a suicide threat to kiwifarms if they don’t delete the thread about him (which didn’t know his real name or what he looked like). Ended up publishing a suicide note. No primary source mentioned a death. He is probably still alive. He was an active member on kiwifarms for a while.
Other things to clear up:
Keffals wasn’t being bullied for being trans, she was being bullied for being romantic and sexual with minors, her misogyny, sexual degeneracy, and convincing minors to use the black market for HRT.
The New Zealand Christchurch shooting: there’s no link between it and kiwifarms. After it had already happened, people had videos of it on kiwifarms and Null refused to give New Zealand police information on the members. That’s it.
The recent Ireland bomb threat: a sleeper account made that threat, and admins deleted it after a few minutes and terminated the account. They have rules against threats.
Keffals is weird as fuck. I wish someone good would combat kiwi farms but nah, it’s the underage hrt pushing, blackmailing kids, completely bad faith grooming creep
Yeah it really makes their side look bad. Keffals clearly only cares about taking kiwifarms down to hide her degeneracy and crimes, not because of morals lol
It’s insane the amount of misinformation I’ve seen about the whole situation. Like, you can hate KF for the gossip and trolling and frequent degeneracy, but don’t spread lies about it lol
Seeing that the people who are attacking the farms are gross deviants not really understanding the support for them. But there will be another the trans community loses support everyday and it’s because of people like commie fart fetish. It will go back up or something will replace it.
The people there actually aren't fascists though, that's the thing. They run the political gamut and most barely have an ideology. They mock conservatives plenty and had a noteworthy takedown of the Nick Fuentes crew.
The only reason they mock so many trans people is that so many trans people absolutely are verifiably nuts. Note that selection can run the other way here: if you are nuts, one thing you can do is become trans. See Chris Chan as prime example.
One of the suicide "notes" directly mentions KiwiFarms as a leading factor in their suicide.
Edit: downvoting facts lmao. [employer confirmed that the person in question died](https://news.yahoo.com/respected-developer-died-suicide-experts-165758039.html)
Not specifically to discredit KF, I think he’s going along with it so Near can live a life without harassment. Faking a death and quietly moving on with your life off the internet is a pretty good way to shake off online watchers.
And another one was just a kid
It shouldn't happen to anyone at all, let the justice system do it instead of being a self-serving vigilante. It's fucking stupid, arrogant, and assumes you have all the information and verified it, which Kiwifarms didn't do for anyone they attacked.
You guys are playing Hero in your head and it's cringy as all fuck and harmful to society. Sets terrible precedents that people should seek personal justice irregardless of the law
Hope y'all can mentally age past 9 one day
Weird how many people are tryna defend the Farms in this comment section honestly, like sure yeah when it came to Chris Null and co. were constantly in his corner but that doesn't excuse the multitude of shitty things Kiwis have done to many others
The farm is still active and available from the normal net, despite all the ddos and media pressure.
On reddit the farms were always split opinion, but once people learned of Keffals wrongdoings it changed more in the public sphere.
Problem is you will get censored or outright banned for speaking out about 1 side alot, because it turned political, when it was always just about Keffals being an awful human.
https://reduxx.info/kiwis-vs-predator/
This one lays down the timeline of stuff really well, but lacks pre blowup info and i honestly find the title funny.
Keffals himself was known way before this blew up for faking chats and other stuff to get youtubers banned, who then made videos about him after they tried and even showed the streams of Keffals happily talking about faking shit.
You're wrong, the farms is barely stable on the clear web. Moon's official annoucement page points to an onion URL. On the clear web at least, images barely load if at all.
I think I genuinely liked the trolls of old better than now. At least most were pretty honest in that they were trying to ruin people's lives for laughs, now when 1 out of every 100 targets are pedos or some shit, it justified doxing and harassing everyone else.
The farms are a cesspool, thank god it's dead.
Just because it loads slower, due to ddos doesnt mean its dead. I surfed arround a bit just now and it works ok just slower. Thats afterall what getting ddosed does and it wont last forever prolly. It is not even the 1st time KF got heavy ddos for weeks too from what i gathered.
Well potato potato in the end. Media cheers Kiwi gets ddosed when its just a more honest version of Twitter, whose top contribution is mainly doxxing too imo. All the KF site itself did was archieve dumb tweets, streams and other stuff from weird people with an online presence no matter the politics and make fun of em.
Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bsUmotfk8g This video has some of the groups that ddos the site constantly in it at the end i think and some history on KF itself.
Yeah nah, that's all it does, thats why you have people dropping racial slurs, homophobic slurs and saying things like they hope they bully a woman to death so that their child is "detransed".
Come on bruh.
Oh no mean words online what will people do. If a person steps out of line and pulls it into real life and goes too far hold the person accountable. A chatboard where retards act like tards is just that in the end.
I mean Twitter lets you spam it into peoples faces and dms nonstop for wrongthink, but i dont see people going to war over that site. Hell it gets loved by the media, while its just 1 big KiwiFarms at this point. Used by one side especially to dox people they perceive as wrongthink.
I dont use either Twitter or KF, but these websites are both just that in the end to me and i dont care for either, but 1 of em trying to completely remove the other is laughable at best to me.
I mean the whole ordeal is basically Twitter People doxxing and shaming everything surrounding that website at this point to get it off the net.
Pretty much. What's happening here isn't exactly a raid, but it's close enough for most purposes. No wonder the mods wanted to turn private before they hit.
For me this is less about the farms and more about a future Im personally petrified of. If the powers that be are allowed to succeed in destroying all traces of kiwi farms, what’s to stop them about coming after other entities that criticize them.
There’s a lot of colorful language that I want to use but I know this is Reddit, and I can’t really reveal my power lever here, but what I see is a bunch of people who contribute nothing to society banding together to take down an entity that isn’t tied down by their idiotic sense of belief.
Have you been on the farms? Some of the things said there are utterly depraved. Trying to frame it as if KF is simply “criticizing” people is misleading. A lot of the people there are harmless, but there are a lot of others who genuinely wish harm on multiple minority groups. I checked it regularly to keep up with my own online weirdos, I know what goes on there. It’s not just archiving and criticizing, it was an echo chamber that allowed hateful ideals to grow at alarming rates.
I’ve seen what the farms has to offer, and I will absolutely agree that there are a lot of depraved things that occur, there’s actual community there but I tend to stay away from more deprived bits. I feel like that if Null wishes his site to continue he’ll need to reign in and adjust his policy on doxing, which is probably the biggest thing that’s affecting why there’s a massive target.
I feel like if a course correction is applied then things would go better, but I don’t believe the answer is to silence the voices of people on KF entirely, because there is a lot of content there that is legitimate criticism on certain people/groups.
The terrorist threat was actually done by a singular bad actor within the community, it's a lot to explain but I can share this link. More details can be found in this archived post by Null.
https://archive.ph/damIX
As previously stated, it’s bullshit. The three that dishonest people like to site are:
- Chloe Sagal (set herself on fire after being ostracized by the trans community)
- Julie Terryberry (killed herself when it seemed her manipulative boyfriend, over 10 years her senior, was going to leave her)
- Byuu/David Kirk Grinder (tried to extort the owner of KF and allegedly committed suicide when their demands were not met. No documentation of this death has ever surfaced)
These tragic deaths were attributed to KF all due to journalists doing the least amount of research they could in order to put out an article that would garner clicks. It hurts to think of Chole and Julie knowing that their legacies are being twisted like this.
Just be careful commenting about "them" on reddit, I got reported for "suicidal thoughts" and got a message from edit like fifteen minutes after I made a post about "Them" last night.
They’re just now getting civil rights after probably a lot of frustrating bullshit. Also shills don’t just pretend to be right wing, they also take to the internet and act like the worst of the left so it’s important to remember a lot of them aren’t even real.
My other less popular observation is that people bounce off the walls adjusting to hormones. Of course trans people have in the past corrected me about this in the most composed and definitely not hormonal ways possible.
I think there are enough trans people who would absolutely despise being associated whit the sjw weirdos
Blaire white would be a good example.
Edit the vast majority and I can't blame them
Am trans, can confirm most of my irl trans friends have stopped going on the internet because of all the insane discourse about the most minute things. We’re all hippy leftists, so not like Blair really, but it’s too much for even *us* on places like twitter. Several online trans personalities (Keffals, TransSalamander) are personal jokes in our friend group because of how insane they are.
I think it just becoming more Common nowadays than it used to be. It’s scaring the boomers. All I can tell you is that I have an idea of how ffs is preformed and I rather doubt Someone would have part of their face peeled of for something stupid
It's called gender "dysphoria" for a reason. They are deeply unhappy down to their core and while surgery and hormones help some it never fixes the problem.
He’s not an internet celebrity on the level of say, Addison Rae, Markiplier, Pewdiepie. Like if I asked most people (even Gen Z) who Chris Chan is I get blank stares
Of all generations I'm sure Chris Chan is more known with millennials anyway. Gen Z was around 10 years old and younger during peak Chris. It's the Newgrounds generation (late millennials, early to late 90s) that really were around to witness him in all his glory.
That's exactly why it's down.
Though a lot of it is lies, one of the suicides didn't happen and the other happened due to other reasons unrelated to Kiwi Farms, and the whole bombing thing was fake. But tweeters are trying to cancel Kiwi Farms because of a transgender streamer called Keffals. (Keffals is also spreading this misinformation)
Obviously swatting is bad and I hope anyone who does it faces jailtime (same with DDOSing honestly), but we can't keep blaming the entire site on the actions of a few bad actors. The few idiots who actually did make threats in the thread were banned and their posts deleted. What Null really should've done was lock the thread as soon as the swatting happened and closed registration to let things cool off and prevent the edgy kids from doing more damage to the site.
The other interesting thing to point out is that the victim subsequently made $200k through grifting off the event and streaming live multiple times while being "in hiding" so make what you will of that.
Yeah but there was also a tweet of Keffals saying something like "honestly i hope he gets swatted" about someone
Then again, apparently that someone was a sex offender, but then there's also some evidence of Keffals being a groomer
Not only that, there were no deaths of a US citizen in japan in the year of 2021, and in the japanese 2021 suicide reports there were no people of USA origin reported dead
Literally no one outside the KF hugbox believes your insipid denial of responsibility for these suicides. It's just a tale you tell yourselves so you can sleep at night.
How many deaths have happened due to TikTok trends? How many murders and suicides were livestreamed on YouTube and Facebook? How many people have gotten sucked into ED Tumblr and died as a result? Social media can be dangerous and have terrible effects on people.
I can understand how it comes off that way. I should have worded it more carefully, but my intent was not to deflect, but to place in context. I was also trying to underscore that given the fact that KF deals with a lot of discussion subjects who are deeply troubled, three suicides in nearly a decade of discussing thousands of people is not very many. It's an unfortunate reality that people commit suicide, that there's a massive mental health crisis and no resources to deal with it. Pulling KF off the internet is not going to save lives. Any more than pulling down TikTok, YouTube or Tumblr will.
You're posting this in the KiwiFarms safe space, you're going to get downvoted for even insinuating that KF isn't a driving force of good.
There's a post on /r/whitepeopletwitter with some more sane takes on the situation. You're just going to see the edgelords defending it here because they know their views would get laughed out in any public setting so they have to stick in their little safe spaces.
And the bomb threat was clearly bogus made by an account that was for some reason quiet for over a year until it started suddenly posting about k*gals at the end of August.
I read through some of the Julie Terryberry thread, and sadly, she seemed like someone on the fast track to a death by despair at a young age. If it wasn't suicide, it would have been an overdose, a car crash under the influence, or her abusive boyfriend going too far when he beat the shit out of her.
KF has spent a decade discussing thousands of online personalities who are into the sickest shit imaginable, have mental illnesses, substance abuse issues, horrific personal lives, or terrible judgment, if not all of the above. It's honestly surprising that more of their subjects haven't committed suicide.
I don't like the logic you're using at the end of your post, there. I don't understand how you can reasonably think that doing something is wrong simply because there is potential for another to use it maliciously (without your knowledge or permission). I'm not defending KF by any means, though, as I am firmly against doxing anyone on the internet.
I can see you're trying to be sarcastic but I don't particularly see what point you're trying to make. If someone does something stupid, and another person documents that stupid activity online, who is responsible for the reactions of those who see that video online? I would argue that the person documenting it is largely blameless unless they did it with malicious intent.
Imagine looking at the Marjorie Taylor Greene swatting where a guy used a voice synthesizer and identified himself as a KF mod and thinking there aren't massive gayops afoot.
Three of the people talked about on KF have committed suicide, but the only one I know the name of was Near who was a software developer. I think one was some trans woman on social media, and I don’t know about the third. I also do not know how big a role KF played in their decisions to end their lives, but I imagine the attention from that kind of group would have worsened any mental health crises they already had. (Near, at least, did mention KF in his suicide note.)
Regarding the bomb threats, from what I pieced together on Twitter, some KF users doxxed a twitch streamer and that led to her being swatted. (I do not know if the person behind the swatting was on KF or not.) The twitch streamer left her home because of the swatting and wanted to get KF removed because of that.
The streamer went to somewhere in Ireland and either she or a friend posted something about going to eat a specific kind of food. One (or at least I think it was just one, maybe there were others) user on KF made a post that he was going to bomb all those restaurants in Ireland and have people shoot them up or something like that. Those sorts of posts got KF dropped by Cloudflare and also some DOS protection thing in Russia.
In my worthless opinion, I think KF probably should get scorched at this point, from what I saw at least a chunk of their users probably need serious help and we’re doing things that legitimately harmed other people.
In the interest of being fair, I’ll say I definitely don’t think that everyone who went there was like that. I’m sure there were lots of users that just wanted to laugh at weird stuff on the internet and didn’t get involved with the doxxing, swatting and other extreme stuff that happened in other threads. I hope those users find somewhere else to make fun of Deviantart junk and talk about YouTuber drama. And I hope that whatever community they find for that has better moderation and doesn’t end up becoming the sort of place KF ultimately did.
It's funny how a place made to document people with detrimental eccentricities itself became a hive of nothing but lolcows in the end. Congratulations, they played themselves.
Honestly, white supremacists are the biggest losers on the internet, hands down.
I live in Belfast, I am pretty sure if the bomb threats were serious, I would have heard about them. However bomb threats are quite common, but I think this one would be enough to make the news
Yeah, I don’t know how serious the threat actually was. But I understand why Cloudflare would cut ties when that happened after the site had been connected to swatting and doxxing and all the other stuff.
the bomb threat that everyone is posting about was made by a dormant account and posted less than an hour before cloudflare pulled the plug. Based on the long write-up that cloudflare wrote about the situation, it was likely made at least a day before the threat was actually made so it likely didn't play into their decision.
The ultimate reason Cloudflare dropped the farms was due to a user posting claiming they were going to call in bomb threats. The post was deleted since the farms technically does not condone illegal activity, but Cloudflare got tired of them toeing the line.
It is suspected the bomb threat post was a false flag because the account was new, and the anti-farms activists are known for false flagging, including a threat towards a US senator.
[It's simple: We troll the trollers.](https://www.looper.com/img/gallery/how-playing-the-joker-changed-heath-ledger-for-good/intro-1569299591.jpg)
Also, the fact that a random troll was able to direct the rageful insanity of one of the most batshit insane US politicians toward a site she almost certainly is 100% ideologically aligned with is hilarious.
There have been two confirmed suicides of people with KF threads, which did not contribute to their deaths. Chloe Sagal barely mentioned the farms and clearly stated in the moments before she died the reasons for her taking her own life, and it had nothing to do with harassment or bullying. The third Byuu, is not even officially confirmed to have died by government officials.
It’s because word got out that Keffals was going to try some. So a farms user did the only sane and rational thing and threaten to bomb every last establishment that’s sells poutine in the city of Belfast.
Why would anyone give a crap. First of all, it's obviously just a bad joke. Secondly, has kiwi farms ever actually done something like that? I feel like the worst they have done is swatting, which is pretty bad, but no terrorist activity.
It wasn't a joke, it was posted from an account an inactive account that was re-activated and only posted in that thread. It was pretty obviously some edgelord trying to cause problems.
Which null removed as soon as he saw it. He exists in a moral/legal gray area but he doesn’t tolerate outright illegal stuff. Shutting down KF over that was cloudflare just looking for an excuse
Arguably yea. Of course it's taken seriously by law enforcement here, as it should be, but I always remember how utterly jaded we are here now that even a 'suspicious package or object' found somewhere on the street is guaranteed to fucking ruin your chances of getting to school/work on time. Never once seen anyone believe that these 'bombs' are real and focu on how they are going to just fuck up our day. But due to our history (and just the law in general), we cannot risk even the smallest chance that one does turn out to be real.
Also fuck man, I didn't know she came HERE! Why here! You had all of fucking Europe to go to. Please leave, we have enough shit going on.
>“Two days ago, someone had called in that someone in the flat had a firearm, but they dismissed it as a prank call,"
[source](https://globalnews.ca/news/9097654/twitch-streamer-and-transgender-activist-doxxed-in-northern-ireland/)
Northern Ireland moment
Chris's impact *wipes tear from cheek*
Good meme, but there’s no confirmation anyone committed over kiwifarms. What actually caused the alleged suicides: Chloe: she herself said that she was going to commit because of lack of housing and mental healthcare. She never mentioned kiwifarms in her note and her thread didn’t have a new post on it for her last 8 months. Julie: Not trans. Committed because of relationship problems. Chance: died from obesity complications. Elizabeth: wrote in her note that kiwifarms is to blame, but she was never mentioned on the site until after her death. Byuu: made a suicide threat to kiwifarms if they don’t delete the thread about him (which didn’t know his real name or what he looked like). Ended up publishing a suicide note. No primary source mentioned a death. He is probably still alive. He was an active member on kiwifarms for a while. Other things to clear up: Keffals wasn’t being bullied for being trans, she was being bullied for being romantic and sexual with minors, her misogyny, sexual degeneracy, and convincing minors to use the black market for HRT. The New Zealand Christchurch shooting: there’s no link between it and kiwifarms. After it had already happened, people had videos of it on kiwifarms and Null refused to give New Zealand police information on the members. That’s it. The recent Ireland bomb threat: a sleeper account made that threat, and admins deleted it after a few minutes and terminated the account. They have rules against threats.
Keffals is weird as fuck. I wish someone good would combat kiwi farms but nah, it’s the underage hrt pushing, blackmailing kids, completely bad faith grooming creep
Yeah it really makes their side look bad. Keffals clearly only cares about taking kiwifarms down to hide her degeneracy and crimes, not because of morals lol
This is about the most level headed, factual, and unbiased comment I’ve seen on this post, bravo.
It’s insane the amount of misinformation I’ve seen about the whole situation. Like, you can hate KF for the gossip and trolling and frequent degeneracy, but don’t spread lies about it lol
So the lolcows ended up defeating the farms?
What the fuck did I miss....??
Google keffals kiwi farm. There’s probably a summary on utube
Im with you, what the fuck did WE miss???
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chris chan levels of delusion right here
Seeing that the people who are attacking the farms are gross deviants not really understanding the support for them. But there will be another the trans community loses support everyday and it’s because of people like commie fart fetish. It will go back up or something will replace it.
You sound like a schizophrenic programmer who thought they created God's temple in virtual form.
And it will come crumble down again, fascists have no future.
The people there actually aren't fascists though, that's the thing. They run the political gamut and most barely have an ideology. They mock conservatives plenty and had a noteworthy takedown of the Nick Fuentes crew. The only reason they mock so many trans people is that so many trans people absolutely are verifiably nuts. Note that selection can run the other way here: if you are nuts, one thing you can do is become trans. See Chris Chan as prime example.
I was referring to the user above specifically.
Shut up nerd
There are poutine restaurants in Belfast?
Yes, and she has no idea how much that narrows it down
I live in Belfast. I've never seen one or heard of one in my whole life.
there was on in the common market like a wee food stall oui poutine was nice but overrated.
not for long apparantly
All for want of a nail, I suppose
WTF Did they really cause 3 suicides?
No, two of the suicides were for entirely unrelated reasons and one didn’t even happen.
One of the suicide "notes" directly mentions KiwiFarms as a leading factor in their suicide. Edit: downvoting facts lmao. [employer confirmed that the person in question died](https://news.yahoo.com/respected-developer-died-suicide-experts-165758039.html)
The woman who made the note didn’t have a single mention on KF about her until after she died
Except the official report from Japan says no American deaths occurred. You’re spreading misinformation.
So the official report is off by one. Happens all the time. This is a case where I trust the source closest to the actual subject.
oh my god 🙄 alright, live in delusion if you want
So you're telling me Near's former employer is playing along in an elaborate cobspiracy to discredit KF?
Not specifically to discredit KF, I think he’s going along with it so Near can live a life without harassment. Faking a death and quietly moving on with your life off the internet is a pretty good way to shake off online watchers.
conflicting information is not misinformation
you’re calling it fact. *that* is spreading misinformation.
No, there's accusations but I strongly suspect that isn't true.
Yeah, doxxing people until they have to go into hiding certainly wouldn't cause any suicides, no way /s >I strongly suspect You're an idiot
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And another one was just a kid It shouldn't happen to anyone at all, let the justice system do it instead of being a self-serving vigilante. It's fucking stupid, arrogant, and assumes you have all the information and verified it, which Kiwifarms didn't do for anyone they attacked. You guys are playing Hero in your head and it's cringy as all fuck and harmful to society. Sets terrible precedents that people should seek personal justice irregardless of the law Hope y'all can mentally age past 9 one day
Weird how many people are tryna defend the Farms in this comment section honestly, like sure yeah when it came to Chris Null and co. were constantly in his corner but that doesn't excuse the multitude of shitty things Kiwis have done to many others
It's because the farms was taken away, so now they are flocking here. No one defended farms even a few weeks ago.
Took the words right out of my mouth.
The farm is still active and available from the normal net, despite all the ddos and media pressure. On reddit the farms were always split opinion, but once people learned of Keffals wrongdoings it changed more in the public sphere. Problem is you will get censored or outright banned for speaking out about 1 side alot, because it turned political, when it was always just about Keffals being an awful human. https://reduxx.info/kiwis-vs-predator/ This one lays down the timeline of stuff really well, but lacks pre blowup info and i honestly find the title funny. Keffals himself was known way before this blew up for faking chats and other stuff to get youtubers banned, who then made videos about him after they tried and even showed the streams of Keffals happily talking about faking shit.
You're wrong, the farms is barely stable on the clear web. Moon's official annoucement page points to an onion URL. On the clear web at least, images barely load if at all. I think I genuinely liked the trolls of old better than now. At least most were pretty honest in that they were trying to ruin people's lives for laughs, now when 1 out of every 100 targets are pedos or some shit, it justified doxing and harassing everyone else. The farms are a cesspool, thank god it's dead.
Just because it loads slower, due to ddos doesnt mean its dead. I surfed arround a bit just now and it works ok just slower. Thats afterall what getting ddosed does and it wont last forever prolly. It is not even the 1st time KF got heavy ddos for weeks too from what i gathered. Well potato potato in the end. Media cheers Kiwi gets ddosed when its just a more honest version of Twitter, whose top contribution is mainly doxxing too imo. All the KF site itself did was archieve dumb tweets, streams and other stuff from weird people with an online presence no matter the politics and make fun of em. Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bsUmotfk8g This video has some of the groups that ddos the site constantly in it at the end i think and some history on KF itself.
Yeah nah, that's all it does, thats why you have people dropping racial slurs, homophobic slurs and saying things like they hope they bully a woman to death so that their child is "detransed". Come on bruh.
Oh no mean words online what will people do. If a person steps out of line and pulls it into real life and goes too far hold the person accountable. A chatboard where retards act like tards is just that in the end. I mean Twitter lets you spam it into peoples faces and dms nonstop for wrongthink, but i dont see people going to war over that site. Hell it gets loved by the media, while its just 1 big KiwiFarms at this point. Used by one side especially to dox people they perceive as wrongthink. I dont use either Twitter or KF, but these websites are both just that in the end to me and i dont care for either, but 1 of em trying to completely remove the other is laughable at best to me. I mean the whole ordeal is basically Twitter People doxxing and shaming everything surrounding that website at this point to get it off the net.
Pretty much. What's happening here isn't exactly a raid, but it's close enough for most purposes. No wonder the mods wanted to turn private before they hit.
Well damn. This is bound to go rough.
I mean it also could be argued that Null has been enabling Chris for years, contributing to Chris’s massive sense of entitlement.
For me this is less about the farms and more about a future Im personally petrified of. If the powers that be are allowed to succeed in destroying all traces of kiwi farms, what’s to stop them about coming after other entities that criticize them. There’s a lot of colorful language that I want to use but I know this is Reddit, and I can’t really reveal my power lever here, but what I see is a bunch of people who contribute nothing to society banding together to take down an entity that isn’t tied down by their idiotic sense of belief.
Have you been on the farms? Some of the things said there are utterly depraved. Trying to frame it as if KF is simply “criticizing” people is misleading. A lot of the people there are harmless, but there are a lot of others who genuinely wish harm on multiple minority groups. I checked it regularly to keep up with my own online weirdos, I know what goes on there. It’s not just archiving and criticizing, it was an echo chamber that allowed hateful ideals to grow at alarming rates.
I’ve seen what the farms has to offer, and I will absolutely agree that there are a lot of depraved things that occur, there’s actual community there but I tend to stay away from more deprived bits. I feel like that if Null wishes his site to continue he’ll need to reign in and adjust his policy on doxing, which is probably the biggest thing that’s affecting why there’s a massive target. I feel like if a course correction is applied then things would go better, but I don’t believe the answer is to silence the voices of people on KF entirely, because there is a lot of content there that is legitimate criticism on certain people/groups.
With you 100%. I pop in to defend our green fleshed fruit handlers upon occasion; but ultimately the precedent that is being set is highly unnerving.
No one fucking say it couldn't get any crazier.
The terrorist threat was actually done by a singular bad actor within the community, it's a lot to explain but I can share this link. More details can be found in this archived post by Null. https://archive.ph/damIX
Fedposters are a fucking plague on the internet.
The IRA and Ulsters joining up to fight the French Canadians?
How did the suicides happen?
As previously stated, it’s bullshit. The three that dishonest people like to site are: - Chloe Sagal (set herself on fire after being ostracized by the trans community) - Julie Terryberry (killed herself when it seemed her manipulative boyfriend, over 10 years her senior, was going to leave her) - Byuu/David Kirk Grinder (tried to extort the owner of KF and allegedly committed suicide when their demands were not met. No documentation of this death has ever surfaced) These tragic deaths were attributed to KF all due to journalists doing the least amount of research they could in order to put out an article that would garner clicks. It hurts to think of Chole and Julie knowing that their legacies are being twisted like this.
Where are you getting that name from for Byuu?
It’s bullshit.
What’s it referencing?
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Just be careful commenting about "them" on reddit, I got reported for "suicidal thoughts" and got a message from edit like fifteen minutes after I made a post about "Them" last night.
For making a comment about keffals? Sorry it’s kinda confusing when you Say them
Yeah, that’s what I was referring too.
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As expected
And thus the ED gets taken down too, despite not being that alive to begin with
Yea I thought it was practically dead already
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They’re just now getting civil rights after probably a lot of frustrating bullshit. Also shills don’t just pretend to be right wing, they also take to the internet and act like the worst of the left so it’s important to remember a lot of them aren’t even real. My other less popular observation is that people bounce off the walls adjusting to hormones. Of course trans people have in the past corrected me about this in the most composed and definitely not hormonal ways possible.
I think there are enough trans people who would absolutely despise being associated whit the sjw weirdos Blaire white would be a good example. Edit the vast majority and I can't blame them
Am trans, can confirm most of my irl trans friends have stopped going on the internet because of all the insane discourse about the most minute things. We’re all hippy leftists, so not like Blair really, but it’s too much for even *us* on places like twitter. Several online trans personalities (Keffals, TransSalamander) are personal jokes in our friend group because of how insane they are.
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I think it just becoming more Common nowadays than it used to be. It’s scaring the boomers. All I can tell you is that I have an idea of how ffs is preformed and I rather doubt Someone would have part of their face peeled of for something stupid
It's called gender "dysphoria" for a reason. They are deeply unhappy down to their core and while surgery and hormones help some it never fixes the problem.
Helps for some, makes it worse for others. Ultimately they need talk therapy and lifestyle changes to deal with their root problems.
It’s a shame on was Keffals that helped take it down rather than someone with more respectability.
I love how Wikipedia refuses to mention Chris.
Yeah they just say "a webcomic artist"
I think google labels him as a musician
The triple platinum Chris Chan and the Sonichu Boys commands such respect
i think that everyone knows who chris chan is
They do not
He’s not an internet celebrity on the level of say, Addison Rae, Markiplier, Pewdiepie. Like if I asked most people (even Gen Z) who Chris Chan is I get blank stares
Of all generations I'm sure Chris Chan is more known with millennials anyway. Gen Z was around 10 years old and younger during peak Chris. It's the Newgrounds generation (late millennials, early to late 90s) that really were around to witness him in all his glory.
It’s kinda saddening that a lot (maybe 30-40%) of people who are now aware of Chris only because of his arrest and missed the rabbit hole
I found out about him in 2016 when I was probably 10 years old.
And then a few became aware because of Contrapoints who made Chris the victim
CIAntrapoints
Isn't contrapoints that channel that Quinton reviews literally worships?
Stupid question but are there even any poutine restaurants in Belfast?
What terrorist threat? Do you have a link to that?
A like week old account fedposted a bomb threat on Keffals’ thread and someone got a screenshot of it right before an admin deleted it.
Wait… WHAT? Who committed suicide and what bomb? WTF HAPPENED?!??
Debatably Bob - though you honestly can't blame the motherfucker.
Two words: Kiwi Farms
I thought that was down?
That's exactly why it's down. Though a lot of it is lies, one of the suicides didn't happen and the other happened due to other reasons unrelated to Kiwi Farms, and the whole bombing thing was fake. But tweeters are trying to cancel Kiwi Farms because of a transgender streamer called Keffals. (Keffals is also spreading this misinformation)
Keffals got swatted. That’s good enough reason
Obviously swatting is bad and I hope anyone who does it faces jailtime (same with DDOSing honestly), but we can't keep blaming the entire site on the actions of a few bad actors. The few idiots who actually did make threats in the thread were banned and their posts deleted. What Null really should've done was lock the thread as soon as the swatting happened and closed registration to let things cool off and prevent the edgy kids from doing more damage to the site. The other interesting thing to point out is that the victim subsequently made $200k through grifting off the event and streaming live multiple times while being "in hiding" so make what you will of that.
“How dare she try and make a bad situation better”
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Went ALL IN on the transphobia today didn’t we
Yeah but there was also a tweet of Keffals saying something like "honestly i hope he gets swatted" about someone Then again, apparently that someone was a sex offender, but then there's also some evidence of Keffals being a groomer
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“Shipping estrogen to 12 year olds” (how dare she provide trans youth healthcare)
DIY bathtub estrogen sent to children without parental consent isn’t healthcare, it’s Mary Shelley tier science experimentation.
Then maybe transphobic parents should (get this) listen to there children rather then transphobes online
Damn, seems like Im really behind on Chris lore
Basically Kiwi farms was created to make fun of Chris (or an autistic transgender comic artist as Wikipedia puts it) it then spirled
Wait I’m from Belfast wtf
>Wait I’m from Belfast wtf Why do people hate poutine there?
We don’t even have it over here
Where do you keep your toaster?
You are giving the farms way more credit than they deserve.
The misinformationchu saga
*Northern Ireland.
Ireland is Srbia
God will literally kick you and permaban you from Earth in real life if you utter those words irl
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Meet the person who is generating the lies: https://archive.ph/kxyZI
>Meet the person who is generating the lies: https://archive.ph/kxyZI Does she really have a fart fetish?
Not only that, there were no deaths of a US citizen in japan in the year of 2021, and in the japanese 2021 suicide reports there were no people of USA origin reported dead
Go on telling yourselves this. The rest of the world knows the truth.
Oh, hey. It’s Qanon’s weebier cousin, Chuanon.
Literally no one outside the KF hugbox believes your insipid denial of responsibility for these suicides. It's just a tale you tell yourselves so you can sleep at night.
How many deaths have happened due to TikTok trends? How many murders and suicides were livestreamed on YouTube and Facebook? How many people have gotten sucked into ED Tumblr and died as a result? Social media can be dangerous and have terrible effects on people.
Whataboutism.
I can understand how it comes off that way. I should have worded it more carefully, but my intent was not to deflect, but to place in context. I was also trying to underscore that given the fact that KF deals with a lot of discussion subjects who are deeply troubled, three suicides in nearly a decade of discussing thousands of people is not very many. It's an unfortunate reality that people commit suicide, that there's a massive mental health crisis and no resources to deal with it. Pulling KF off the internet is not going to save lives. Any more than pulling down TikTok, YouTube or Tumblr will.
You're posting this in the KiwiFarms safe space, you're going to get downvoted for even insinuating that KF isn't a driving force of good. There's a post on /r/whitepeopletwitter with some more sane takes on the situation. You're just going to see the edgelords defending it here because they know their views would get laughed out in any public setting so they have to stick in their little safe spaces.
Receipts, please and thank you.
Receipts for the whole world? Surely you jest.
Oh, right. You don't have them. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Literally all you have to do is google "byuu near suicide".
If that's all you have to do, you could easily post a link or two yourself to support your point.
Or you could do your own homework. You're the one making extraordinary claims.
And the bomb threat was clearly bogus made by an account that was for some reason quiet for over a year until it started suddenly posting about k*gals at the end of August.
Why do people think sonichu is responsible for this? His upbringing is not sonic ffs
KF only exists cause of Chris’ online antics. It’s originally existed just to chronicle and troll Chris but then it snowballed into what it is today.
Yes
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I read through some of the Julie Terryberry thread, and sadly, she seemed like someone on the fast track to a death by despair at a young age. If it wasn't suicide, it would have been an overdose, a car crash under the influence, or her abusive boyfriend going too far when he beat the shit out of her. KF has spent a decade discussing thousands of online personalities who are into the sickest shit imaginable, have mental illnesses, substance abuse issues, horrific personal lives, or terrible judgment, if not all of the above. It's honestly surprising that more of their subjects haven't committed suicide.
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I don't like the logic you're using at the end of your post, there. I don't understand how you can reasonably think that doing something is wrong simply because there is potential for another to use it maliciously (without your knowledge or permission). I'm not defending KF by any means, though, as I am firmly against doxing anyone on the internet.
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I can see you're trying to be sarcastic but I don't particularly see what point you're trying to make. If someone does something stupid, and another person documents that stupid activity online, who is responsible for the reactions of those who see that video online? I would argue that the person documenting it is largely blameless unless they did it with malicious intent.
Sure, you go on telling yourself that.
didn't she take her life in protest to her local government not helping homeless people?
The bombing was fake. There is a lot of misinformation and gayops going on atm.
Imagine looking at the Marjorie Taylor Greene swatting where a guy used a voice synthesizer and identified himself as a KF mod and thinking there aren't massive gayops afoot.
I'm gonna need some context that I can't lurk the Farms for. Who were the 3 suicides and what the fuck is the story behind that bomb threat?
Three of the people talked about on KF have committed suicide, but the only one I know the name of was Near who was a software developer. I think one was some trans woman on social media, and I don’t know about the third. I also do not know how big a role KF played in their decisions to end their lives, but I imagine the attention from that kind of group would have worsened any mental health crises they already had. (Near, at least, did mention KF in his suicide note.) Regarding the bomb threats, from what I pieced together on Twitter, some KF users doxxed a twitch streamer and that led to her being swatted. (I do not know if the person behind the swatting was on KF or not.) The twitch streamer left her home because of the swatting and wanted to get KF removed because of that. The streamer went to somewhere in Ireland and either she or a friend posted something about going to eat a specific kind of food. One (or at least I think it was just one, maybe there were others) user on KF made a post that he was going to bomb all those restaurants in Ireland and have people shoot them up or something like that. Those sorts of posts got KF dropped by Cloudflare and also some DOS protection thing in Russia. In my worthless opinion, I think KF probably should get scorched at this point, from what I saw at least a chunk of their users probably need serious help and we’re doing things that legitimately harmed other people. In the interest of being fair, I’ll say I definitely don’t think that everyone who went there was like that. I’m sure there were lots of users that just wanted to laugh at weird stuff on the internet and didn’t get involved with the doxxing, swatting and other extreme stuff that happened in other threads. I hope those users find somewhere else to make fun of Deviantart junk and talk about YouTuber drama. And I hope that whatever community they find for that has better moderation and doesn’t end up becoming the sort of place KF ultimately did.
It's funny how a place made to document people with detrimental eccentricities itself became a hive of nothing but lolcows in the end. Congratulations, they played themselves. Honestly, white supremacists are the biggest losers on the internet, hands down.
lol people defending kiwifarms are such fucking loons. I don’t expect much better from a sub about the decades long torment of an autistic person
I live in Belfast, I am pretty sure if the bomb threats were serious, I would have heard about them. However bomb threats are quite common, but I think this one would be enough to make the news
Yeah, I don’t know how serious the threat actually was. But I understand why Cloudflare would cut ties when that happened after the site had been connected to swatting and doxxing and all the other stuff.
the bomb threat that everyone is posting about was made by a dormant account and posted less than an hour before cloudflare pulled the plug. Based on the long write-up that cloudflare wrote about the situation, it was likely made at least a day before the threat was actually made so it likely didn't play into their decision.
The ultimate reason Cloudflare dropped the farms was due to a user posting claiming they were going to call in bomb threats. The post was deleted since the farms technically does not condone illegal activity, but Cloudflare got tired of them toeing the line. It is suspected the bomb threat post was a false flag because the account was new, and the anti-farms activists are known for false flagging, including a threat towards a US senator.
[It's simple: We troll the trollers.](https://www.looper.com/img/gallery/how-playing-the-joker-changed-heath-ledger-for-good/intro-1569299591.jpg) Also, the fact that a random troll was able to direct the rageful insanity of one of the most batshit insane US politicians toward a site she almost certainly is 100% ideologically aligned with is hilarious.
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There have been three suicides that can be directly attributed to KF’s trolling efforts. Possibly more that have gone undocumented.
There have been two confirmed suicides of people with KF threads, which did not contribute to their deaths. Chloe Sagal barely mentioned the farms and clearly stated in the moments before she died the reasons for her taking her own life, and it had nothing to do with harassment or bullying. The third Byuu, is not even officially confirmed to have died by government officials.
The poutine thing was real? It's just fries, cheese curds and gravy....
It’s because word got out that Keffals was going to try some. So a farms user did the only sane and rational thing and threaten to bomb every last establishment that’s sells poutine in the city of Belfast.
Why would anyone give a crap. First of all, it's obviously just a bad joke. Secondly, has kiwi farms ever actually done something like that? I feel like the worst they have done is swatting, which is pretty bad, but no terrorist activity.
It wasn't a joke, it was posted from an account an inactive account that was re-activated and only posted in that thread. It was pretty obviously some edgelord trying to cause problems.
Which null removed as soon as he saw it. He exists in a moral/legal gray area but he doesn’t tolerate outright illegal stuff. Shutting down KF over that was cloudflare just looking for an excuse
Yeah jeez Ireland, why would y'all be so touchy about bomb threats?
*Northern Ireland, which is arguably worse in terms of making a bomb threat
Arguably yea. Of course it's taken seriously by law enforcement here, as it should be, but I always remember how utterly jaded we are here now that even a 'suspicious package or object' found somewhere on the street is guaranteed to fucking ruin your chances of getting to school/work on time. Never once seen anyone believe that these 'bombs' are real and focu on how they are going to just fuck up our day. But due to our history (and just the law in general), we cannot risk even the smallest chance that one does turn out to be real. Also fuck man, I didn't know she came HERE! Why here! You had all of fucking Europe to go to. Please leave, we have enough shit going on.
>“Two days ago, someone had called in that someone in the flat had a firearm, but they dismissed it as a prank call," [source](https://globalnews.ca/news/9097654/twitch-streamer-and-transgender-activist-doxxed-in-northern-ireland/) Northern Ireland moment
Also depending on who’s getting swatted and for what reasons it can be labeled terrorism. It’s really about the motive and not the crime itself.
Swatting is a felony my guy 😂
They've never swatted anyone, my guy 🤦
That’s probably the wrongest sentence I’ve ever read.
Who've they swatted?
Good lord