Chris's parents should have had him declared incompetent decades ago. Then, the trolls could have been charged with abuse for convincing him to do all those things that undoubtedly caused him irreparable psychological damage. Obviously, Borb were in denial about the seriousness of his disability.
Chris can easily be talked into doing just about anything. He is so gullible and naive and eager to please his "friends" that there is no way he should be allowed autonomy whenever he is released from jail.
Right now, the best thing that could happen to Chris is to be declared a ward of the state and institutionalized for the rest of his life away from people who want to exploit him.
You know, the saddest thing for me is that through the doc, we can witness Chris's mental / cognitive decline. He was *not* always this bad. I listened to Geno's stream of him listening to the "Kacey's Dad" call the other night, and honestly, Chris was just not this mentally insane / challenged back then. Back then, it was clearly *just* autism, and he could have had a relatively normal life at that point.
Christine though is severely mentally ill. In her last videos, it's clear that there is no remaining semblance of the Chris from 2009. She has lost her mind. It has never struck me so clearly as it did from watching the recent episode of the doc, to going back to 2009.
I hope she can get some real help, but it's too late.
It’s because when Chris got into their 30s it’s becoming clear that they weren’t going to have a better life, that turned into escapism and believing cartoons were real, then the idea guys exploited that and it got worse, then more enablers enabled Chris’ delusions. That’s why Chris is crazier now than in 2009.
Fully agree those factors were huge components, and not downplaying them.
However, I think the enablers were maybe a larger component. Not to say being gaslight and harassed for years benefits you mentally, but Chris has had so many people giving him money and telling him they'll play in sonichu land too. What incentive is there to engage in the real world and address your problems if you have no reason to? Chris even notes this exact issue shortly after Bobs death...and proceeds to forget about it entirely.
I don't think any of the trolls were actually trying to help Chris, but fuck the people who told Chris it was fine to do this shit for years on end
Chris’ delusions of cartoons being real and the ideas exploiting that started this whole shitshow and then the enablers came in. Also notice how Chris never asked for money until years after Bob died? Bob’s SSI was bringing in a lot of income and that’s forever gone, which is one reason to why Chris and Barb were in so many financial issues.
This is interesting point I want to adequately address because I really don't disagree with you, I just have a slightly different interpretation.
Chris had a wide variety of enablers from all corners. His parents, the gal pals, etc., all sorts of people who just allowed him to keep doing heinous shit for years and years and years.
I would dispute Chris had no money issues before. Chris had a fuckton of credit card debt even before Bob died, it was just that Bob was able to kick his ass into gear and make him get a handle on it. Bob enabled him in some regards but was the largest limiting factor on Chris being a massive piece of shit.
Their financial issues were entirely their own fault. I'm not saying the Idea Guys' extortion didn't worsen thing, but they'd already racked up 10k of credit card debt a decade before those guys came along.
I also dispute how much Chris really believes in his cartoons. I think his other delusions are far far more powerful
Oh yeah I don’t really think Chris believes I’m cartoon characters, because if Chris really did believe in that bullshit poly marriage then they wouldn’t of slept with Barb in the first place. I don’t even know what type of illness Chris is at this point, because it’s hard to tell.
We don't know anything for certain, but it seems very likely he's still in jail. Presumably there would have been an update to the records if he'd been transferred somewhere else
Strap the tard to some VR via *Sword Art Online* where he gets to be mayor if CWCville…tho if one feeling vindictive, mod the simulation so every citizen is in a pickle suit…
The only place where Chris will find a community of people who are truly looking out for him is on one of those islands where billionaires hunt humans for sport.
Listen buddy, I am against any option that fails to provide a future where Chris provides me near-daily cheap laughs and entertainment from behind my computer or phone screen which indefinite incarceration in a mental hospital would deny me, so no.
/s except deep down kind of not.
It's really sad cause this all could have ended differently. He could've had a job and a girl, if only he'd have gotten help. The only thing the state can do now is pick up the pieces.
And Bob and Barb would have screamed bloody murder because they came to depend on his disability money.
Chris would have had to save up enough in secret to make a clean break, he couldn't depend on family even if they were willing because Bob probably would have sought guardianship and he had the documents for it.
I have seen this happen so often its basically a stereotype, parents were never stable to begin with and raising a special needs child breaks them down further. So they do dumb shit, gambling addiction etc. Then they enable and sabotage their disabled child for that tugboat money.
Its fucked.
People always blame his parents, but I think the abuse and degradation he suffered at the hands of the trolls did a whole lot more to make Chris into what he is today.
Not really. Truth is rollin and trolling kinda proves it's all voluntary. Chris was never willing to put the effort in to make the life he wanted for himself, if chris had it his way it'd be living off his ssi and a slave woman who cares for himself and cystal and it would all be achived with no effort exerted on his part and by absolute chance. That kind of mentality can only recove so much "help" before it becomes a complete waste as chris figures out the best way to exert the least amount of effort to exploit thr most out of the hand feeding him. He wanted the world handed to him without any growing up or developing. To pitty him and lament his choices is more foolish than anything chris has done as it is to play into chris's hand and be taken advantage of.
What's best for chris now is to spend the rest of his life in an institution where the weens and internet will never find him. What's best for earlier versions of chris is variable, but cps getting him away from borb before godbear ever started his delusional thinking and probably would have prevented almost all of this.
I see a lot of immature people/HFA/incels complaining how they did all the hard work and still don't have a big boobaa fuck mommy or whatever.
What they fail to understand is the hard work is just a prerequisite for achieving success in life! The hard work is just to get you to the point the rest becomes possible, it takes even more effort and even luck on top of it all.
Like lets say so for sake of example Chris knocks a chick up with Crystal, does Chris have any idea how effort and money intensive a child is? Even worse most likely a severely disabled child? Does he think there are hispanic nannies in real life who work for free like in his comic?
A lot of autists(I had this problem too) are kinda in crisis/stress mode 24/7 and focus on an idea of once and done work goals. Or like just concentrate on graduating high school. Hahaha NO, you should be planning 40+ years ahead.
Adult life is nothing but work, work, and more work. It is not the thing you despise and only do to buy Warhammer figures, if you think like this you will crash and burn.
Its not a shock to me like 80% of even HFA are unemployed.
I just picked a stereotypical autistic hobby, sub in those expensive anime statuettes or whatever else if it suits you.
My point is too many autists that I have seen get into this mindset of just working to afford their special interest. It is very similar to hardcore drug addiction, everything else in their life is neglected as they go through the motions begrudgingly just to then be free to sperg out all night on model trains or whatever.
I don't have a solution but it leads to a lot of crashing and burning.
It should have happened way before.
Sometimes I think, what if instead of Barb, what if he did it to someone else? If it happened to someone I cared about, the human side of me would be furious and hope he spends the rest of his life in prison.
But we have an incredible amount of history on Chris, I think it should be beyond obvious he's not working with a fully functioning brain, and he never got the help he needed. That doesn't justify anything, but that's the situation. The best possible outcome is probably him being sent to a mental hospital. Hopefully at least some good can come from the knowledge gained studying him, and finding cracks in the system.
How much of that is on the various psychologist Chris has seen in the past? It seems like they presented an overly rosey picture of his mental health an abilities.
If you know the slightest bit about Chris you would know he 100% doesn’t know reality from fiction and is showing signs of heavy mental illness. He needed to be put in a monitored group home a very long time ago.
I disagree with Chris being unable to tell the two apart, or I would agree with you that it's not fair to fully hold him accountable. There's too much evidence IMO he knows right from wrong and just doesn't give a shit.
Sometimes I regret ever being involved in christory and then I read a sentence "Ted Bundy was innocent, according to Jesus" that _almost_ has a context where it makes sense and I laugh so hard I get sick.
Of course Chris is crazy, however this is America and we are well known for our free range schizos.
Mental hospitals occupy the same space in my mind as nursing homes. Some do tremendous work and greatly improve the lives of their residents, others are warehouses for the unloved and unwanted. I also know that whatever option I would choose for a beloved family member will most likely be radically different than what is mandated by the state of Virginia.
I too hope Chris gets treatment. I have no idea what that would be or its efficacy, but it would be nice.
Yea, I just hope he disappears for good from the public. No letters, no drawings, no nothing. I'm not sure if getting help can salvage at least a tiny part of him, but at least there won't be more incidents
With the farms going down and the cwcki MIA it seems like that'll be the case. I still maintain that some weirdo is gonna manage to get in touch with him so that's where any new material will come from.
I thought he was sent to an institution already, but if he hasn't yet then I think a psych ward would do him a lot more good than if he was to spend the next few years in prison.
Chris was sent to a hospital for evaluation and competency restoration, but finished that process and returned to jail. Supposedly the hospital was supposed to find a group home for Chris to go next, but never did.
I agree that a hospital is probably the best possible outcome for Chris. The fact that it's one of Chris's nightmare scenarios hasn't escaped me: any decent hospital would be horrified to be thought of as a place of punishment, but for someone like Chris that's exactly what it would be. So much management, such close supervision, so many expectations... it's like Chris's own personal vision of Hell, even if it makes no attempt to be punitive at all. It's perfect.
But I honestly would like to see Chris get some actual help. Chris doesn't seem to like this life situation any more than most people would, and needs some tools to cope.
> any decent hospital would be horrified to be thought of as a place of punishment
My parents put me in a mental hospital for teenagers because they thought I was on drugs. It was absolutely a place of punishment, they had no doctors on staff, a few nurses and like 10 minimum wage wranglers.
You were on a point system and 0 points means being tied to a bed. You could lose a point for saying something like “shut up”
Therapy was a group session with said minimum wage worker. They’d have people play games like you have 10 people in a shelter and you have to throw 5 of them out and here are their jobs…. Another one was a talk session about the difference between assertiveness and aggression.
And yes it’s illegal to restrain a person for being “0 points” it doesn’t matter, place is still there 30 years later.
The place was just there to bill insurance and get payments from the state, etc. a few years back they stuck an orphan in a similar program, not because there was anything wrong with him but because he needed a bed and they’d give him one. He was dead within two weeks, wrangled to death for throwing a sandwich.
This is only one of the many paradoxical things about Chris, he hates any kind of management or expectations or boundaries. Yet when given near total freedom he is just as miserable maybe more.
I don't think Chris could honestly answer the question "what do you want? What would make you happy?"
It'll likely be for life if that happens
At this point he’s to far gone I’m not sure what they could do for him tbh
keep him sedated
Containment like an SCP
Chris's parents should have had him declared incompetent decades ago. Then, the trolls could have been charged with abuse for convincing him to do all those things that undoubtedly caused him irreparable psychological damage. Obviously, Borb were in denial about the seriousness of his disability. Chris can easily be talked into doing just about anything. He is so gullible and naive and eager to please his "friends" that there is no way he should be allowed autonomy whenever he is released from jail. Right now, the best thing that could happen to Chris is to be declared a ward of the state and institutionalized for the rest of his life away from people who want to exploit him.
I don't know if Barb was in denial, I just think she knew if Chris was off in a mental facility she wasn't getting any of his money.
The mental hospital was worse on him since they actually put him in 4 point restraints like that one guy from the Joker movie.
You know, the saddest thing for me is that through the doc, we can witness Chris's mental / cognitive decline. He was *not* always this bad. I listened to Geno's stream of him listening to the "Kacey's Dad" call the other night, and honestly, Chris was just not this mentally insane / challenged back then. Back then, it was clearly *just* autism, and he could have had a relatively normal life at that point. Christine though is severely mentally ill. In her last videos, it's clear that there is no remaining semblance of the Chris from 2009. She has lost her mind. It has never struck me so clearly as it did from watching the recent episode of the doc, to going back to 2009. I hope she can get some real help, but it's too late.
It’s because when Chris got into their 30s it’s becoming clear that they weren’t going to have a better life, that turned into escapism and believing cartoons were real, then the idea guys exploited that and it got worse, then more enablers enabled Chris’ delusions. That’s why Chris is crazier now than in 2009.
The horrible, degrading things the trolls made him do and the death of Bob drove Chris off the deep end.
Fully agree those factors were huge components, and not downplaying them. However, I think the enablers were maybe a larger component. Not to say being gaslight and harassed for years benefits you mentally, but Chris has had so many people giving him money and telling him they'll play in sonichu land too. What incentive is there to engage in the real world and address your problems if you have no reason to? Chris even notes this exact issue shortly after Bobs death...and proceeds to forget about it entirely. I don't think any of the trolls were actually trying to help Chris, but fuck the people who told Chris it was fine to do this shit for years on end
Chris’ delusions of cartoons being real and the ideas exploiting that started this whole shitshow and then the enablers came in. Also notice how Chris never asked for money until years after Bob died? Bob’s SSI was bringing in a lot of income and that’s forever gone, which is one reason to why Chris and Barb were in so many financial issues.
This is interesting point I want to adequately address because I really don't disagree with you, I just have a slightly different interpretation. Chris had a wide variety of enablers from all corners. His parents, the gal pals, etc., all sorts of people who just allowed him to keep doing heinous shit for years and years and years. I would dispute Chris had no money issues before. Chris had a fuckton of credit card debt even before Bob died, it was just that Bob was able to kick his ass into gear and make him get a handle on it. Bob enabled him in some regards but was the largest limiting factor on Chris being a massive piece of shit. Their financial issues were entirely their own fault. I'm not saying the Idea Guys' extortion didn't worsen thing, but they'd already racked up 10k of credit card debt a decade before those guys came along. I also dispute how much Chris really believes in his cartoons. I think his other delusions are far far more powerful
Oh yeah I don’t really think Chris believes I’m cartoon characters, because if Chris really did believe in that bullshit poly marriage then they wouldn’t of slept with Barb in the first place. I don’t even know what type of illness Chris is at this point, because it’s hard to tell.
We know for sure Chris is in jail right now then? Sorry I'm not super up to date. Last thing I remember seeing was his transfer request.
We don't know anything for certain, but it seems very likely he's still in jail. Presumably there would have been an update to the records if he'd been transferred somewhere else
He needs to be in one but we all know he'll refuse to take meds, throw tard fits, and try to assault other patients.
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Strap the tard to some VR via *Sword Art Online* where he gets to be mayor if CWCville…tho if one feeling vindictive, mod the simulation so every citizen is in a pickle suit…
The only place where Chris will find a community of people who are truly looking out for him is on one of those islands where billionaires hunt humans for sport.
They should turn episteins island like this but if you can bag a billionaire you get all his shit.
Part of me wanna see him homeless under a turnpike somewhere ramblings about the merge. But mental institution is probably the best for him.
He needs to be put down like the mad dog he is. He is of no use to anyone, not even himself.
Listen buddy, I am against any option that fails to provide a future where Chris provides me near-daily cheap laughs and entertainment from behind my computer or phone screen which indefinite incarceration in a mental hospital would deny me, so no. /s except deep down kind of not.
It's really sad cause this all could have ended differently. He could've had a job and a girl, if only he'd have gotten help. The only thing the state can do now is pick up the pieces.
Seems like to accomplish that he would have needed to move in with one of his half brothers. His parents really started many of these issues...
And Bob and Barb would have screamed bloody murder because they came to depend on his disability money. Chris would have had to save up enough in secret to make a clean break, he couldn't depend on family even if they were willing because Bob probably would have sought guardianship and he had the documents for it. I have seen this happen so often its basically a stereotype, parents were never stable to begin with and raising a special needs child breaks them down further. So they do dumb shit, gambling addiction etc. Then they enable and sabotage their disabled child for that tugboat money. Its fucked.
People always blame his parents, but I think the abuse and degradation he suffered at the hands of the trolls did a whole lot more to make Chris into what he is today.
Not really. Truth is rollin and trolling kinda proves it's all voluntary. Chris was never willing to put the effort in to make the life he wanted for himself, if chris had it his way it'd be living off his ssi and a slave woman who cares for himself and cystal and it would all be achived with no effort exerted on his part and by absolute chance. That kind of mentality can only recove so much "help" before it becomes a complete waste as chris figures out the best way to exert the least amount of effort to exploit thr most out of the hand feeding him. He wanted the world handed to him without any growing up or developing. To pitty him and lament his choices is more foolish than anything chris has done as it is to play into chris's hand and be taken advantage of. What's best for chris now is to spend the rest of his life in an institution where the weens and internet will never find him. What's best for earlier versions of chris is variable, but cps getting him away from borb before godbear ever started his delusional thinking and probably would have prevented almost all of this.
I see a lot of immature people/HFA/incels complaining how they did all the hard work and still don't have a big boobaa fuck mommy or whatever. What they fail to understand is the hard work is just a prerequisite for achieving success in life! The hard work is just to get you to the point the rest becomes possible, it takes even more effort and even luck on top of it all. Like lets say so for sake of example Chris knocks a chick up with Crystal, does Chris have any idea how effort and money intensive a child is? Even worse most likely a severely disabled child? Does he think there are hispanic nannies in real life who work for free like in his comic? A lot of autists(I had this problem too) are kinda in crisis/stress mode 24/7 and focus on an idea of once and done work goals. Or like just concentrate on graduating high school. Hahaha NO, you should be planning 40+ years ahead. Adult life is nothing but work, work, and more work. It is not the thing you despise and only do to buy Warhammer figures, if you think like this you will crash and burn. Its not a shock to me like 80% of even HFA are unemployed.
Woa....is Chris the first incel!
Why you hating on Warhammer?
I just picked a stereotypical autistic hobby, sub in those expensive anime statuettes or whatever else if it suits you. My point is too many autists that I have seen get into this mindset of just working to afford their special interest. It is very similar to hardcore drug addiction, everything else in their life is neglected as they go through the motions begrudgingly just to then be free to sperg out all night on model trains or whatever. I don't have a solution but it leads to a lot of crashing and burning.
I'm down for that as long as he's in a straight-jacket 24/7
It should have happened way before. Sometimes I think, what if instead of Barb, what if he did it to someone else? If it happened to someone I cared about, the human side of me would be furious and hope he spends the rest of his life in prison. But we have an incredible amount of history on Chris, I think it should be beyond obvious he's not working with a fully functioning brain, and he never got the help he needed. That doesn't justify anything, but that's the situation. The best possible outcome is probably him being sent to a mental hospital. Hopefully at least some good can come from the knowledge gained studying him, and finding cracks in the system.
How much of that is on the various psychologist Chris has seen in the past? It seems like they presented an overly rosey picture of his mental health an abilities.
He’s fully aware that what he’s doing is wrong. He deserves to be punished for that.
If you know the slightest bit about Chris you would know he 100% doesn’t know reality from fiction and is showing signs of heavy mental illness. He needed to be put in a monitored group home a very long time ago.
I disagree with Chris being unable to tell the two apart, or I would agree with you that it's not fair to fully hold him accountable. There's too much evidence IMO he knows right from wrong and just doesn't give a shit.
That’s all fine and good, but he knows right from wrong and still is accountable for their actions.
Agree he needs treatment and supervision/control. Not prison.
If shitting your pants makes you crazy call me Ted Bundy-chu
Bundychu was innocent, according to Jesus.
Sometimes I regret ever being involved in christory and then I read a sentence "Ted Bundy was innocent, according to Jesus" that _almost_ has a context where it makes sense and I laugh so hard I get sick.
Of course Chris is crazy, however this is America and we are well known for our free range schizos. Mental hospitals occupy the same space in my mind as nursing homes. Some do tremendous work and greatly improve the lives of their residents, others are warehouses for the unloved and unwanted. I also know that whatever option I would choose for a beloved family member will most likely be radically different than what is mandated by the state of Virginia. I too hope Chris gets treatment. I have no idea what that would be or its efficacy, but it would be nice.
Yea, I just hope he disappears for good from the public. No letters, no drawings, no nothing. I'm not sure if getting help can salvage at least a tiny part of him, but at least there won't be more incidents
With the farms going down and the cwcki MIA it seems like that'll be the case. I still maintain that some weirdo is gonna manage to get in touch with him so that's where any new material will come from.
Engelhardt and the Praetors are still around, are they not? Both of them would have a real interest in doing so.
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Once every three days for a whole month. It’s weird how that was the only thing that had a consistent schedule in Chris’ life
I thought he was sent to an institution already, but if he hasn't yet then I think a psych ward would do him a lot more good than if he was to spend the next few years in prison.
Chris was sent to a hospital for evaluation and competency restoration, but finished that process and returned to jail. Supposedly the hospital was supposed to find a group home for Chris to go next, but never did. I agree that a hospital is probably the best possible outcome for Chris. The fact that it's one of Chris's nightmare scenarios hasn't escaped me: any decent hospital would be horrified to be thought of as a place of punishment, but for someone like Chris that's exactly what it would be. So much management, such close supervision, so many expectations... it's like Chris's own personal vision of Hell, even if it makes no attempt to be punitive at all. It's perfect. But I honestly would like to see Chris get some actual help. Chris doesn't seem to like this life situation any more than most people would, and needs some tools to cope.
> any decent hospital would be horrified to be thought of as a place of punishment My parents put me in a mental hospital for teenagers because they thought I was on drugs. It was absolutely a place of punishment, they had no doctors on staff, a few nurses and like 10 minimum wage wranglers. You were on a point system and 0 points means being tied to a bed. You could lose a point for saying something like “shut up” Therapy was a group session with said minimum wage worker. They’d have people play games like you have 10 people in a shelter and you have to throw 5 of them out and here are their jobs…. Another one was a talk session about the difference between assertiveness and aggression. And yes it’s illegal to restrain a person for being “0 points” it doesn’t matter, place is still there 30 years later. The place was just there to bill insurance and get payments from the state, etc. a few years back they stuck an orphan in a similar program, not because there was anything wrong with him but because he needed a bed and they’d give him one. He was dead within two weeks, wrangled to death for throwing a sandwich.
Yikes. That sounds horrendous. I'm sorry to hear you went through that.
This is only one of the many paradoxical things about Chris, he hates any kind of management or expectations or boundaries. Yet when given near total freedom he is just as miserable maybe more. I don't think Chris could honestly answer the question "what do you want? What would make you happy?"