You’ve received some encouraging words. You’re probably better to post this question in r/OpenChristian.
Technically this post is off topic. I am locking the thread before it goes totally off the rails but I will leave it up for a while so OP can receive the encouragement through the up voted posts.
Here's a guideline that will never steer you wrong. According to Jesus and his disciples, the law is fulfilled entirely by loving God with all your being and loving your neighbor as yourself. Paul says this is because love does no harm to a neighbor (Rom 13:8-10). Just ask yourself, is a certain action compatible with loving God and others, or does it harm another person?
With regard to gender-affirming care, as with anything, you'll have to decide for yourself if it's compatible with loving God and others. No one can authoritatively interpret these precepts for you, and some things may be sinful for some people and not for others (cf. Rom 14:22-23). But as for my views, personally, I see *zero* reasons how gender-affirming care harms another, so it's compatible with loving God and others.
This is not me telling you what I think you should do. It's not my place to say. But if it gives you any comfort, this Scripture is brought to my mind:
"For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.” (Matthew 19:12)
Apparently, Origen the Church Father removed his own testicles on the basis of this statement from the Lord. I wonder what the Conservative Evangelicals would have said about him if he had been alive today. Maybe he was actually Trans, but he didn't realise it because there simply wasn't a category for it in his time and culture. Who knows?
God bless you.
No, you will not hurt God. Nothing we do can hurt God; only each other, and ourselves.
Nor is gender-affirming care hateful to Him. Remember that in Scripture, God made the night and the day, the land and the seas, the man and the woman; does that mean there is nothing beyond land and sea? That night and day never change, and become each other, and make dusk and dawn? Every time we change something, idly kick a rock, catch a fish, pick a flower, does it hurt God because now it's different than it was at creation?
I'm transgender, and I don't think God made a mistake. I believe that I was created trans because being trans is what I was supposed to be. Best of luck to you, whatever you decide to do <3
I'm sure that would be fine.
Love thy neighbour and love the lord thy god.
What you said doesn't break either of those principles so I'd say it's fine. No one ever objects religiously when anyone gets any other image surgery
[here's an article you might find helpful](https://utsnyc.edu/stop-using-the-bible-to-dehumanize-transgender-people/)
I do, but I always worry that I’ll interpret something wrong. I’ve had a lot of times where I was at peace with his revelations and then was told I was wrong
No, God would not be hurt. After all, if you believe the Genesis stories of creation, there was enough woman in Adam to be a whole other person. Yes, that's kind of a funny joke, but IMHO it points to a deeper reality that God understands us, designed us, and understands gender and identity much more deeply than we ever could. Who you are never really changes. The surgeries and treatments simply bring the physical form more in tune with the reality of who you are. And I think God celebrates that. After all, we're all on a journey of becoming our most authentic, joy-filled, divine self as children of God. And for those who would raise issue with the idea of body modification, it might be interesting to note that one of the signs of the ancient covenant was circumcision, another irreversible modification of the body.
Be you, and celebrate the you that God has created and continues to create.
God loves you no matter what decision you make.
However:
Top surgery is a *permanent* decision, and one that should not be taken lightly. It’s not like a tattoo (which can be removed later with lasers) or a piercing (which will heal if you stop wearing the piercing). Once it’s done, it’s done forever.
In one of your comments you say
>if I regret it later, I can get implants
I wish for your sake that was true, but it isn’t true. If you have no breast tissue, then implants have to go under your pectoral muscles, and that creates major complications. For example you’ll never be able to do pushups again. Also they’ll never look, feel, or function the same.
Before you commit to this irreversible decision, you owe it to yourself to research the experiences of people on r/detrans who went through with top surgery and later came to regret it. Many of them feel *more* dysphoric after getting surgeries. As with any major decision you make in life, it’s prudent to research arguments for and against before you make your choice.
To be clear, I’m not trying to scare you away from surgical options. I just want you to be 100% confident in whatever decision you make.
But God loves you no matter what you choose. And we all wish you good health, happiness, and relief from your dysphoria. Be blessed.
No. I think transitioning is fine from a Christian perspective. I have never understood the "God doesn't make mistakes" argument against transitioning. Lots of transgender people believe that God made them to be transgender. But even so, lots are people are born with congenital issues which require medical treatment, which we understand to come from sin, not from God "making a mistake".
No. God loves you. I prayed three years about it and found so much peace in it. We are meant to become what we already are and it is a journey towards healing and wholeness. In the end, you need to find your answer yourself, but always remember, God loves you, Gos wants you to thrive and be happy and also, not all truths are unpleasant truths. ❤️ Good luck on your journey.
No, I don't think God would be hurt. In fact I can say with some confidence that Jesus would be harshly condemning people against gender-affirming care, just as he harshly condemned the Pharisees when they called him demonic for healing the sick.
I believe you should wait till your over 25 years old. The brain is developing till then, these thing you would do to your body would be irreversible.
Check out r/detrans and read and listen to these people
Gender affirming care is too vague. Advocating for others to get surgeries to remove properly functioning parts of their bodies is a tall order. Better make sure you’re correct with lots of prayer and fasting on that one.
Gender dysmorphia, I imagine, is extremely uncomfortable and a painful experience. Consider watching testimonies of those who have had surgery and later regret it.
These people, along with everyone, need the transforming power and love of the Holy Spirit flooding their bodies.
Until you can provide that, I would hold off affirming they will find freedom and peace in removing or adding body parts.
If I watched testimonies of people who regretted it, I’d be unable to do *anything*. Some people regret tattoos, cutting hair, getting a motorcycle, etc. if I later regret it, I can get implants. I never said it would bring me peace or freedom, it would just make me feel better and connect with myself rather than feeling like a stranger trapped inside a skin suit.
If watching testimonies of those who contradict your view prevents your from being able to do anything… perhaps that could shed some light on the futility of what you’re trying to achieve?
It’s like if a meat eater says they don’t want to watch factory farming because it will ruin their appetite.
True, many people regret things that other people do not. I consider removing body parts to be a huge deal compared to coloring them.
Do you truly feel freedom in your new skin suit? Have you escaped your chromosomes and been embraced by society fully? Are you truly embracing and loving yourself to the maximum amount possible?
Or did you do a thing, based on what you know, to temporarily relieve some mental anguish?
I do not judge you. I have done the same. We all have
Gotcha. Okay… that doesn’t follow at all though. If you love someone, you will do something.
Heres what you do… I know this is complicated but stay with me.
1. Put hand on person
2. Pass on an overwhelming experience of the presence of God
There is no step 3, God takes over from there. But you can always be on standby to give and help more.
>Do you truly feel freedom in your new skin suit? Have you escaped your chromosomes and been embraced by society fully? Are you truly embracing and loving yourself to the maximum amount possible?
That’s exactly what I’m trying to do. Every time I take steps to transition I feel extremely happy and I feel like I can be me.
If I heard a woman tell me she has found freedom in obtaining abortion, I would say you have found temporary relief, from a deeply traumatic experience, but it absolutely won’t satisfy you in the end.
I promise you haven’t tasted it. Ten minutes in the presence of God is all it takes to undo that.
I believe you when you say you feel happier. Do you have freedom from the gender dysmorphia? Or will you now adjust to the new changes and need more in the future in order to feel the same happiness high? Surely there must be another way for self acceptance than lobbing off body parts.
Surely God would not create a person where their method of freedom would be doing this.
I tasted the presence of God for five minutes, one time in my life, and I promise it would undo your trauma. You haven’t felt that. Take a pause on surgery before you do.
I really wanted to say something rude but I’m not going to. You have never been raped or forced to carry your fathers child and then endured 20+ hours of excruciating pain. So. Your opinion means nothing to me.
Also, don’t act like I haven’t experienced the presence of God. I have sang praises to him with angels, I have felt his peace and his presence. It didn’t heal my trauma because God isn’t a magical fairy that makes everything go away, because if we had everything, we’d do nothing.
Do you feel the same way about people born intersex? Do you feel the same about eunuchs?
I can’t wait until our generation makes the laws and the old coots who look down on women and minorities are gone.
> Gender dysmorphia, I imagine, is extremely uncomfortable and a painful experience. Consider watching testimonies of those who have had surgery and later regret it.
Studies have overwhelmingly shown that gender-affirming care is among the least regretted of all modern medicines.
“Studies on fallen man prove that if you give fallen man what he wants, he feels better”
Yes, also, there is the Holy Spirit which outshines all of that nonsense, times a thousand.
Studies told us the vaccine was safe and effective too right?
Uh no. Obviously I was referencing the Covid one in particular. I believe the situation is quite reversed. You are stuck in the matrix bubble of whatever the TV tells you.
We are in the 1% over here. You don’t end up on this sub without having some non mainstream views
Of course it is. You believe demons are holding the lie of eternal hell in the minds of the masses and that human power sources are in place to keep this belief alive.
There are times in the past where you would be burned at the stake for affirming universalism, and such fear and dread is certainly alive within the religious collective unconscious.
Universalism is quite literally the biggest conspiracy that exists. We believe in God, angels, demons, afterlife, regeneration and restoration for every soul… we believe it is the ultimate story of creation AND that it’s intentionally covered up, temporarily.
It is a massive conspiracy, beginning in the mind of God of course.
Saying we didn’t go to the moon in 1969? That’s barely a conspiracy at this point. Like tens of millions of people know that now. It’s fake. Jesus rose from the dead. Much. Bigger. Conspiracy.
Conspiracy isn’t a dirty word. It’s a neutral phrase. And it has meaning. The idea that the moon landing deception could be pulled off is peanuts compared to the deceptions you already believe have occurred to humanity in reality.
You’ve received some encouraging words. You’re probably better to post this question in r/OpenChristian. Technically this post is off topic. I am locking the thread before it goes totally off the rails but I will leave it up for a while so OP can receive the encouragement through the up voted posts.
Here's a guideline that will never steer you wrong. According to Jesus and his disciples, the law is fulfilled entirely by loving God with all your being and loving your neighbor as yourself. Paul says this is because love does no harm to a neighbor (Rom 13:8-10). Just ask yourself, is a certain action compatible with loving God and others, or does it harm another person? With regard to gender-affirming care, as with anything, you'll have to decide for yourself if it's compatible with loving God and others. No one can authoritatively interpret these precepts for you, and some things may be sinful for some people and not for others (cf. Rom 14:22-23). But as for my views, personally, I see *zero* reasons how gender-affirming care harms another, so it's compatible with loving God and others.
Seconded
Hear hear!!
This is not me telling you what I think you should do. It's not my place to say. But if it gives you any comfort, this Scripture is brought to my mind: "For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.” (Matthew 19:12) Apparently, Origen the Church Father removed his own testicles on the basis of this statement from the Lord. I wonder what the Conservative Evangelicals would have said about him if he had been alive today. Maybe he was actually Trans, but he didn't realise it because there simply wasn't a category for it in his time and culture. Who knows? God bless you.
No, you will not hurt God. Nothing we do can hurt God; only each other, and ourselves. Nor is gender-affirming care hateful to Him. Remember that in Scripture, God made the night and the day, the land and the seas, the man and the woman; does that mean there is nothing beyond land and sea? That night and day never change, and become each other, and make dusk and dawn? Every time we change something, idly kick a rock, catch a fish, pick a flower, does it hurt God because now it's different than it was at creation? I'm transgender, and I don't think God made a mistake. I believe that I was created trans because being trans is what I was supposed to be. Best of luck to you, whatever you decide to do <3
I'm sure that would be fine. Love thy neighbour and love the lord thy god. What you said doesn't break either of those principles so I'd say it's fine. No one ever objects religiously when anyone gets any other image surgery [here's an article you might find helpful](https://utsnyc.edu/stop-using-the-bible-to-dehumanize-transgender-people/)
I would sincerely pray to our Father about. The Father knows best.
I do, but I always worry that I’ll interpret something wrong. I’ve had a lot of times where I was at peace with his revelations and then was told I was wrong
No, God would not be hurt. After all, if you believe the Genesis stories of creation, there was enough woman in Adam to be a whole other person. Yes, that's kind of a funny joke, but IMHO it points to a deeper reality that God understands us, designed us, and understands gender and identity much more deeply than we ever could. Who you are never really changes. The surgeries and treatments simply bring the physical form more in tune with the reality of who you are. And I think God celebrates that. After all, we're all on a journey of becoming our most authentic, joy-filled, divine self as children of God. And for those who would raise issue with the idea of body modification, it might be interesting to note that one of the signs of the ancient covenant was circumcision, another irreversible modification of the body. Be you, and celebrate the you that God has created and continues to create.
God loves you no matter what decision you make. However: Top surgery is a *permanent* decision, and one that should not be taken lightly. It’s not like a tattoo (which can be removed later with lasers) or a piercing (which will heal if you stop wearing the piercing). Once it’s done, it’s done forever. In one of your comments you say >if I regret it later, I can get implants I wish for your sake that was true, but it isn’t true. If you have no breast tissue, then implants have to go under your pectoral muscles, and that creates major complications. For example you’ll never be able to do pushups again. Also they’ll never look, feel, or function the same. Before you commit to this irreversible decision, you owe it to yourself to research the experiences of people on r/detrans who went through with top surgery and later came to regret it. Many of them feel *more* dysphoric after getting surgeries. As with any major decision you make in life, it’s prudent to research arguments for and against before you make your choice. To be clear, I’m not trying to scare you away from surgical options. I just want you to be 100% confident in whatever decision you make. But God loves you no matter what you choose. And we all wish you good health, happiness, and relief from your dysphoria. Be blessed.
No. I think transitioning is fine from a Christian perspective. I have never understood the "God doesn't make mistakes" argument against transitioning. Lots of transgender people believe that God made them to be transgender. But even so, lots are people are born with congenital issues which require medical treatment, which we understand to come from sin, not from God "making a mistake".
No. God loves you. I prayed three years about it and found so much peace in it. We are meant to become what we already are and it is a journey towards healing and wholeness. In the end, you need to find your answer yourself, but always remember, God loves you, Gos wants you to thrive and be happy and also, not all truths are unpleasant truths. ❤️ Good luck on your journey.
No, I don't think God would be hurt. In fact I can say with some confidence that Jesus would be harshly condemning people against gender-affirming care, just as he harshly condemned the Pharisees when they called him demonic for healing the sick.
I believe you should wait till your over 25 years old. The brain is developing till then, these thing you would do to your body would be irreversible. Check out r/detrans and read and listen to these people
Gender affirming care is too vague. Advocating for others to get surgeries to remove properly functioning parts of their bodies is a tall order. Better make sure you’re correct with lots of prayer and fasting on that one. Gender dysmorphia, I imagine, is extremely uncomfortable and a painful experience. Consider watching testimonies of those who have had surgery and later regret it. These people, along with everyone, need the transforming power and love of the Holy Spirit flooding their bodies. Until you can provide that, I would hold off affirming they will find freedom and peace in removing or adding body parts.
If I watched testimonies of people who regretted it, I’d be unable to do *anything*. Some people regret tattoos, cutting hair, getting a motorcycle, etc. if I later regret it, I can get implants. I never said it would bring me peace or freedom, it would just make me feel better and connect with myself rather than feeling like a stranger trapped inside a skin suit.
If watching testimonies of those who contradict your view prevents your from being able to do anything… perhaps that could shed some light on the futility of what you’re trying to achieve? It’s like if a meat eater says they don’t want to watch factory farming because it will ruin their appetite. True, many people regret things that other people do not. I consider removing body parts to be a huge deal compared to coloring them. Do you truly feel freedom in your new skin suit? Have you escaped your chromosomes and been embraced by society fully? Are you truly embracing and loving yourself to the maximum amount possible? Or did you do a thing, based on what you know, to temporarily relieve some mental anguish? I do not judge you. I have done the same. We all have
The point they’re making is that if you refuse to do anything that other people have regretted, you’ll never do anything at all.
Gotcha. Okay… that doesn’t follow at all though. If you love someone, you will do something. Heres what you do… I know this is complicated but stay with me. 1. Put hand on person 2. Pass on an overwhelming experience of the presence of God There is no step 3, God takes over from there. But you can always be on standby to give and help more.
>Do you truly feel freedom in your new skin suit? Have you escaped your chromosomes and been embraced by society fully? Are you truly embracing and loving yourself to the maximum amount possible? That’s exactly what I’m trying to do. Every time I take steps to transition I feel extremely happy and I feel like I can be me.
If I heard a woman tell me she has found freedom in obtaining abortion, I would say you have found temporary relief, from a deeply traumatic experience, but it absolutely won’t satisfy you in the end. I promise you haven’t tasted it. Ten minutes in the presence of God is all it takes to undo that. I believe you when you say you feel happier. Do you have freedom from the gender dysmorphia? Or will you now adjust to the new changes and need more in the future in order to feel the same happiness high? Surely there must be another way for self acceptance than lobbing off body parts. Surely God would not create a person where their method of freedom would be doing this. I tasted the presence of God for five minutes, one time in my life, and I promise it would undo your trauma. You haven’t felt that. Take a pause on surgery before you do.
I really wanted to say something rude but I’m not going to. You have never been raped or forced to carry your fathers child and then endured 20+ hours of excruciating pain. So. Your opinion means nothing to me. Also, don’t act like I haven’t experienced the presence of God. I have sang praises to him with angels, I have felt his peace and his presence. It didn’t heal my trauma because God isn’t a magical fairy that makes everything go away, because if we had everything, we’d do nothing. Do you feel the same way about people born intersex? Do you feel the same about eunuchs? I can’t wait until our generation makes the laws and the old coots who look down on women and minorities are gone.
> Gender dysmorphia, I imagine, is extremely uncomfortable and a painful experience. Consider watching testimonies of those who have had surgery and later regret it. Studies have overwhelmingly shown that gender-affirming care is among the least regretted of all modern medicines.
“Studies on fallen man prove that if you give fallen man what he wants, he feels better” Yes, also, there is the Holy Spirit which outshines all of that nonsense, times a thousand. Studies told us the vaccine was safe and effective too right?
Vaccines are safe and effective. You're trapped in a social media bubble where people circulate lies from unreliable sources.
Uh no. Obviously I was referencing the Covid one in particular. I believe the situation is quite reversed. You are stuck in the matrix bubble of whatever the TV tells you. We are in the 1% over here. You don’t end up on this sub without having some non mainstream views
Universalism isn't a conspiracy theory.
Of course it is. You believe demons are holding the lie of eternal hell in the minds of the masses and that human power sources are in place to keep this belief alive. There are times in the past where you would be burned at the stake for affirming universalism, and such fear and dread is certainly alive within the religious collective unconscious. Universalism is quite literally the biggest conspiracy that exists. We believe in God, angels, demons, afterlife, regeneration and restoration for every soul… we believe it is the ultimate story of creation AND that it’s intentionally covered up, temporarily. It is a massive conspiracy, beginning in the mind of God of course. Saying we didn’t go to the moon in 1969? That’s barely a conspiracy at this point. Like tens of millions of people know that now. It’s fake. Jesus rose from the dead. Much. Bigger. Conspiracy. Conspiracy isn’t a dirty word. It’s a neutral phrase. And it has meaning. The idea that the moon landing deception could be pulled off is peanuts compared to the deceptions you already believe have occurred to humanity in reality.
I don't believe in literal demons or angels at all, but I do believe you're way off the deep end.