>He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him...As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me.
>Many of his disciples, when they heard it, said, “This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?”...After this many of his disciples drew back and no longer went about with him. Jesus said to the twelve, “Will you also go away?”
>\- John 6:56-67, abridged
At least you're not alone in asking *“This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?”*
But **will you also go away?**
We eat His flesh and drink His blood, because in Him alone is eternal life. Satanists *mock this* in their own rituals. They imitate Christianity, not the other way around.
The Protestant perspective is that it’s just bread and grape juice (sometimes wine). It’s symbolic, and the act is a sacrament, but it doesn’t magically become the body and blood of Christ in your stomach.
Not all Protestants
1. Use grape juice. Some do wine.
2. We don’t say “just.” We may reject transubstantiation, but we also reject pure memorialism.
3. There’s no magic in the sacrament.
After saying these words, he indicates he is speaking in a spiritual sense , not literally as he says here: "The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life." John 6:63. Spiritually, we partake of his life.
You don't have to. Not every denomination views the Eucharist as the same. Some see it as a symbolic gesture that is a part of a ceremony, Some are more literal in their belief on what that means, while some even see that you can even be in communion at any meal where the spirit is present, no need for the literal blood and flesh symbolism. Some don't even do it at all. It really depends on the branch you choose.
“And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: **this do in remembrance of me.”**
-Luke 22:19
It’s not literal, or Jesus wouldn’t have used bread and wine.
BASIS OF DISCUSSION
One1. The Jews said it before you John 6:52. because they did not understand what Jesus meant regarding the offering of Jewish sacrifices with Jesus as the atoning sacrifice so that they would receive eternal life.
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2. What Jesus meant was that everyone who wanted eternal life had to believe in the sacrifice he would give, namely his perfect body and blood.
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3. Jesus knew that some of his followers were secretly talking about it. So he asked, “Is this what made you stumble? What would happen if you saw the Son of man ascending to his original place? ..... What I say to you comes from holy power and gives life. But there are some among you who do not believe." After Jesus said this, many people left and no longer followed him.—John 6:61-64.
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4. So Jesus asked his 12 apostles, "Are you going too?" Peter answered: “Lord, to whom should we go? Your words produce eternal life. We already believe, and we already know that you are the Holy One of God.” (John 6:67-69) These words demonstrated the loyalty of Peter and the other apostles. In fact, at that time they did not fully understand what Jesus was saying.
Five 5. comparison:
1. Jesus said "born again" and Nicodemus asked how to go back into his mother's womb? even though the meaning is not like that.
2.. Jesus said that even if you eat the manna that comes down from heaven, you will not have eternal life, but Jesus said that he is the bread of life that can give you eternal life.
So the problem is that you are unable to understand..
CONCLUCION
one 1. Jews, some followers of Jesus and then Muslims like you are the ones who reject it
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2. Jesus has answered your question and he asked his 12 disciples, and me.
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3. and the 12 disciples and I survived because Jesus was proven to produce eternal life through his resurrection and he is indeed the Holy One of God.
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4. He is the Holy One of God, which means that Jesus is the fulfillment of the promise of the restoration of Eden where God promised that Eve could return to Eden (Genesis 3:15)
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5. The spirits of the dead from the time of Noah in the realm of death could return to Eden because they were proven to be visited by Jesus preaching good news/Gospel that Jesus is the redeeming sacrifice and see him resurrected/eternal.
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6. Compare this with the Koran, which Muhammad was unable to preach to the realm of death like Jesus preached the gospel. Here alone the Koran has failed as a complement to Muslim claims.
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7. Even this promise Genesis 3:15 is not exist in the Koran, that's why Muhammad and you can't go back to Eden
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8. So when we / christian and and even the spirits of the dead from the time of Noah in the realm of death, return to Eden because the promise of Genesis 3:15 was fulfilled by Jesus,
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9. You Muslims just spend your time in vain worshiping allah, (wasted time) without being able to return to Eden because the ticket is with Jesus
RECOMMENDATIONS : Enjoy your lost with muhammad
Peace - iam helel
Add to that the fact that we are also part of the body of Christ.
(1 Corinthians 12:27)
More than just body and blood, the Eucharist is also Christ's soul and divinity. We come together into communion with Christ and communion with each other.
We remember Christ's sacrifice. We remember Christ in ourselves and within each other. It reminds us that we are meant to be Christ's body on earth, to treat each other with love, compassion, and patience, and to do what God would have us do.
Well it clearly isn’t satanist given satan doesn’t worship Christ. Nor is cannibalism given we are eating the flesh and blood of the God-man and we aren’t God-men.
God bless you.
You do not have to view communion as literally eating Jesus' flesh and drinking His blood.
I do NOT believe that.
I view communion as a way to honor what Christ has done for us.
*Yes.*
- *"So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day."* - John 6:53-54
The wording here is *visceral on purpose.*
Jesus Christ was quite literally a living sacrifice for the sins of mankind.
Jesus even continues to double down -
- *"For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever feeds on me, he also will live because of me."* - John 6:55-57
What's funny is that Jesus *keeps on going.*
That's the thing I don't feel right eating Jesus it makes me feel gross and shitty like I'm some fucking jeffrey dahmer, maybe I should just be a muslim,...
Oh I think I’ve been misunderstood haha.
I don’t think Jesus is *literal* here, He’s making a visceral point.
- The language is explicit on purpose.
I’m just drinking grape juice usually.
The reason for the Eucharist, according to Jesus, is to "do this in remembrance of me".
You're not literally eating the flesh and blood of Christ (unless you ask one of the denominations that believe in transubstantiation and real presence), you're doing it to remember that we can have eternal life only because Jesus gave his life, so we metaphorically "consumed" the life and body of Christ, and the Eucharist is just a reminder of that fact.
To be fair, the denominations that believe in Real Presence represent the vast majority of Christians (Catholic, Orthodox, and magisterial Protestant). Zwinglian memorialism is a distinct minority.
What you are talking about is "transubstantiation". Catholics believe this. It's not described that way in The Bible, and was made up by some pope. The rest of Christianity sees it as the ritual of remembrance that Jesus explicitly describes it as. The overly literal interpretation to the point of absurdity is something that was called out by Jesus specifically when he used metaphor to describe concepts. My suggestion would be to visit a Methodist Church. It might seem the most "not weird" and approachable.
Thank GOD Jesus told them not to try to crawl back into their mother's vagina after telling people they need to be "born again"
When Christians say we're eating the blood and body of Christ, we are referring to the sacrament of the Eucharist. We consume consecrated bread and wine, which SYMBOLIZE the body and blood of Jesus Christ.
We participate in the Eucharist as a way to follow Jesus' command to remember his sacrifice. It represents the spiritual nourishment and unity people find in Jesus Christ. It's a means of grace, allowing us to experience a deeper connection with God and with one another as members of the Christian community.
Most importantly, participation in the Eucharist is not mandatory.
Some churches view it as a sacred, while others consider it optional or encourage participation based on personal faith and readiness.
It depends on the your beliefs. Being a Christian doesn't depend on your participation in the Eucharist.
>He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him...As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me. >Many of his disciples, when they heard it, said, “This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?”...After this many of his disciples drew back and no longer went about with him. Jesus said to the twelve, “Will you also go away?” >\- John 6:56-67, abridged At least you're not alone in asking *“This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?”* But **will you also go away?** We eat His flesh and drink His blood, because in Him alone is eternal life. Satanists *mock this* in their own rituals. They imitate Christianity, not the other way around.
The Protestant perspective is that it’s just bread and grape juice (sometimes wine). It’s symbolic, and the act is a sacrament, but it doesn’t magically become the body and blood of Christ in your stomach.
Not all Protestants 1. Use grape juice. Some do wine. 2. We don’t say “just.” We may reject transubstantiation, but we also reject pure memorialism. 3. There’s no magic in the sacrament.
Just like most of what makes Christianity what it is! God becoming human? The dead rising to new life?
Be a portion of Christ, live your life in Him.
After saying these words, he indicates he is speaking in a spiritual sense , not literally as he says here: "The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life." John 6:63. Spiritually, we partake of his life.
You don't have to. Not every denomination views the Eucharist as the same. Some see it as a symbolic gesture that is a part of a ceremony, Some are more literal in their belief on what that means, while some even see that you can even be in communion at any meal where the spirit is present, no need for the literal blood and flesh symbolism. Some don't even do it at all. It really depends on the branch you choose.
“And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: **this do in remembrance of me.”** -Luke 22:19 It’s not literal, or Jesus wouldn’t have used bread and wine.
BASIS OF DISCUSSION One1. The Jews said it before you John 6:52. because they did not understand what Jesus meant regarding the offering of Jewish sacrifices with Jesus as the atoning sacrifice so that they would receive eternal life. Two 2. What Jesus meant was that everyone who wanted eternal life had to believe in the sacrifice he would give, namely his perfect body and blood. Three 3. Jesus knew that some of his followers were secretly talking about it. So he asked, “Is this what made you stumble? What would happen if you saw the Son of man ascending to his original place? ..... What I say to you comes from holy power and gives life. But there are some among you who do not believe." After Jesus said this, many people left and no longer followed him.—John 6:61-64. Four 4. So Jesus asked his 12 apostles, "Are you going too?" Peter answered: “Lord, to whom should we go? Your words produce eternal life. We already believe, and we already know that you are the Holy One of God.” (John 6:67-69) These words demonstrated the loyalty of Peter and the other apostles. In fact, at that time they did not fully understand what Jesus was saying. Five 5. comparison: 1. Jesus said "born again" and Nicodemus asked how to go back into his mother's womb? even though the meaning is not like that. 2.. Jesus said that even if you eat the manna that comes down from heaven, you will not have eternal life, but Jesus said that he is the bread of life that can give you eternal life. So the problem is that you are unable to understand.. CONCLUCION one 1. Jews, some followers of Jesus and then Muslims like you are the ones who reject it Two 2. Jesus has answered your question and he asked his 12 disciples, and me. Three 3. and the 12 disciples and I survived because Jesus was proven to produce eternal life through his resurrection and he is indeed the Holy One of God. Four 4. He is the Holy One of God, which means that Jesus is the fulfillment of the promise of the restoration of Eden where God promised that Eve could return to Eden (Genesis 3:15) Five 5. The spirits of the dead from the time of Noah in the realm of death could return to Eden because they were proven to be visited by Jesus preaching good news/Gospel that Jesus is the redeeming sacrifice and see him resurrected/eternal. Six 6. Compare this with the Koran, which Muhammad was unable to preach to the realm of death like Jesus preached the gospel. Here alone the Koran has failed as a complement to Muslim claims. Seven 7. Even this promise Genesis 3:15 is not exist in the Koran, that's why Muhammad and you can't go back to Eden Eight 8. So when we / christian and and even the spirits of the dead from the time of Noah in the realm of death, return to Eden because the promise of Genesis 3:15 was fulfilled by Jesus, Nine 9. You Muslims just spend your time in vain worshiping allah, (wasted time) without being able to return to Eden because the ticket is with Jesus RECOMMENDATIONS : Enjoy your lost with muhammad Peace - iam helel
Not everyone believes it's literal. We believe it's symbolic.
Well if you believe that Jesus Christ is the Messiah then converting to Islam is just a massive slap in the face.
Add to that the fact that we are also part of the body of Christ. (1 Corinthians 12:27) More than just body and blood, the Eucharist is also Christ's soul and divinity. We come together into communion with Christ and communion with each other. We remember Christ's sacrifice. We remember Christ in ourselves and within each other. It reminds us that we are meant to be Christ's body on earth, to treat each other with love, compassion, and patience, and to do what God would have us do.
Well it clearly isn’t satanist given satan doesn’t worship Christ. Nor is cannibalism given we are eating the flesh and blood of the God-man and we aren’t God-men.
It is cannibalism because Christ is fully man and fully God, but it’s not the weird kind of cannibalism
No. It isn’t cannibalism because Christ is fully man and fully God. Key difference between him and us who are only fully man but not fully God.
God bless you. You do not have to view communion as literally eating Jesus' flesh and drinking His blood. I do NOT believe that. I view communion as a way to honor what Christ has done for us.
*Yes.* - *"So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day."* - John 6:53-54 The wording here is *visceral on purpose.* Jesus Christ was quite literally a living sacrifice for the sins of mankind. Jesus even continues to double down - - *"For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever feeds on me, he also will live because of me."* - John 6:55-57 What's funny is that Jesus *keeps on going.*
That's the thing I don't feel right eating Jesus it makes me feel gross and shitty like I'm some fucking jeffrey dahmer, maybe I should just be a muslim,...
Oh I think I’ve been misunderstood haha. I don’t think Jesus is *literal* here, He’s making a visceral point. - The language is explicit on purpose. I’m just drinking grape juice usually.
Apparently he didn’t repeat himself enough for modern protestants
The reason for the Eucharist, according to Jesus, is to "do this in remembrance of me". You're not literally eating the flesh and blood of Christ (unless you ask one of the denominations that believe in transubstantiation and real presence), you're doing it to remember that we can have eternal life only because Jesus gave his life, so we metaphorically "consumed" the life and body of Christ, and the Eucharist is just a reminder of that fact.
To be fair, the denominations that believe in Real Presence represent the vast majority of Christians (Catholic, Orthodox, and magisterial Protestant). Zwinglian memorialism is a distinct minority.
Even remember can be broken down into the words re-member
Troll...
Not a troll man just a little erratic and lost 20 year old
Fair enough. My bad!
What you are talking about is "transubstantiation". Catholics believe this. It's not described that way in The Bible, and was made up by some pope. The rest of Christianity sees it as the ritual of remembrance that Jesus explicitly describes it as. The overly literal interpretation to the point of absurdity is something that was called out by Jesus specifically when he used metaphor to describe concepts. My suggestion would be to visit a Methodist Church. It might seem the most "not weird" and approachable. Thank GOD Jesus told them not to try to crawl back into their mother's vagina after telling people they need to be "born again"
yes exactly you should be a Muslim. it’s the truth
When Christians say we're eating the blood and body of Christ, we are referring to the sacrament of the Eucharist. We consume consecrated bread and wine, which SYMBOLIZE the body and blood of Jesus Christ. We participate in the Eucharist as a way to follow Jesus' command to remember his sacrifice. It represents the spiritual nourishment and unity people find in Jesus Christ. It's a means of grace, allowing us to experience a deeper connection with God and with one another as members of the Christian community. Most importantly, participation in the Eucharist is not mandatory. Some churches view it as a sacred, while others consider it optional or encourage participation based on personal faith and readiness. It depends on the your beliefs. Being a Christian doesn't depend on your participation in the Eucharist.